Dave Gettleman on NFL Network

In comment 14405243 Pete in VA said:

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that a QB would be an exception to the immediate starter plan. In other words, he WOULD consider drafting (or presumably trading a pick for) a QB who would not start right away, because not having a starter in place when the current one leaves (perhaps after this year) would be "quarterback hell."

this seems like a reasonable interpretation

In comment 14405200 jtgiants said:

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Williams, Allen, Wilkins is still what im hearing at 6

Great to hear

You have to come out with at least to impact starters in the 1st.

In comment 14405222 ryanmkeane said:

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he will absolutely, positively, NOT reach for a player of need. It is what got us in this mess in the first place

That's certainly what he keeps saying. He has also at times stated that QBs should not be looked at any differently. He can't really believe that. He must realize that you absolutely have to take positional value into account. I mean you don't make a huge reach but if the QB is rated the lowest of maybe the next 4 or 5 guys on your board, you've got to take QB given our current state of the position. We may not be in QB hell yet but we can feel the heat and we are hurtling closer and closer.


It's as if he's looking for a QB where he has zero concerns about that player. If and when that happens, unless you happen to suck, you'll likely end up in a very expensive bidding war for the right to draft that player.

is if your team keeps hovering around the .500 mark, you are also in QB hell and have a much harsher price to pay to get a good one.

Why not? Never show your hole card to an opponent or media reporter. Hours before the draft. DG has been around a while. Reporters are mad, that he is like that, so you get the negativity. MO.

In comment 14405254 jtgiants said:

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I'm not telling you to stop rooting for Haskins. Im simply telling you my understanding is he's not in play at 6.

I hear you. And my reading of the tea leaves tells me he is. If I trusted Gettleman more, I’d be more confident, but I don’t. I also believe that there is at least a decent chance Allen falls to the pick, and he could muck the QB thing up because I could easily see the Giants rating him very highly.

So join with me in HOPING FOR HASKINS!

with Rosen, Grier or Finley, or maybe even two out of the three. Just hoping the early rounds they get pass rush help, which is usually so hard to find in later rounds, especially in this draft.

In comment 14405265 jtgiants said:

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1. We will acquire at least a pick between 37 and 95 is my understanding 2. The Giants could move down from 17 for a player in peppers mold and the aforementioned picks i just mentioned

What do u mean by a player in the peppers mold?

In comment 14405278 BigBlueCane said:

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is if your team keeps hovering around the .500 mark, you are also in QB hell and have a much harsher price to pay to get a good one.

Agreed.

In comment 14405200 jtgiants said:

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Williams, Allen, Wilkins is still what im hearing at 6

God I hope you're right man, I would be so happy to land one of those 3

I feel like Wilkins is that guy everybody has mocked as a mid 1st round guy, but teams have him as a top 10 guy

Young cost controlled guy w upside who can help us right now

In comment 14405278 BigBlueCane said:

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is if your team keeps hovering around the .500 mark, you are also in QB hell and have a much harsher price to pay to get a good one.

It was an answer to a simple question. Not a thesis statement.

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In comment 14405278 BigBlueCane said: Quote: is if your team keeps hovering around the .500 mark, you are also in QB hell and have a much harsher price to pay to get a good one. Agreed.

There are a boatload of flaws in his logic. I’m really hoping this is all a smokescreen, but I’m not dumb enough to forget last year, either. So if we pass in a QB, I won’t be devastated like I was last year.

In comment 14405286 TMS said:
[quote] Why not? Never show your hole card to an opponent or media reporter.

I agree with you but that's not what bothers me. It's his philosophy of how to build a team and his reasoning behind some of the roster moves and draft decisions he's already made that scare me.

In comment 14405305 jtgiants said:

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Young cost controlled guy w upside who can help us right now

Coke? Control the young guys in their up side? Come again?

In comment 14405314 BlueVinnie said:

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In comment 14405286 TMS said: [quote] Why not? Never show your hole card to an opponent or media reporter. I agree with you but that's not what bothers me. It's his philosophy of how to build a team and his reasoning behind some of the roster moves and draft decisions he's already made that scare me.

Getting rid of malcontents and rebuilding the OL scares you?

In comment 14405305 jtgiants said:

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Young cost controlled guy w upside who can help us right now

Ok sounds good. Thanks

In comment 14405315 Brown Recluse said:

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In comment 14405305 jtgiants said: Quote: Young cost controlled guy w upside who can help us right now Coke? Control the young guys in their up side? Come again?

Coke is the guy's handle that asked him to clarify.

Any guesses who that player could be? Cost controlled, so maybe on his rookie deal?

However, I believe all the smoke means we are all in on Haskins if he’s there at 6. DG is being too obvious the other way. Like a Seinfeld episode.

In comment 14405247 jtgiants said:

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My mistake. Williams Allen Oliver Wilkins accidentky left Oliver off list

No White?

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quicker, I'm onboard with DG's idea of becoming a power running team. I've long called for prioritizing linemen over skill position players in the draft and FA. In this draft, the guy I would draft at #6 is Taylor to build to that model.

But, you still need a good guy under center to act as trigger-man for that offense and Sooner or later you will run into two kinds of teams. One that can stop your running game and force your QB to beat them and Two, one that can score almost at will on your defense, forcing your QB to match them.

You need a QB in this league. It seems like the Giants are still looking for Unicorns to play the position sadly.

not what he's saying, don't trust that one bit. I think he's particularly careful with his words and using a lot of double-speak to not reveal his actual intentions.

I trust his judgment to build this team the right way.

Since two and two don’t equal four.

How can they walk out of tonight with two legit starters AND a QB (to avoid “qb hell”)?

Trade down for player and pick(s). Ie trade down, draft two D stud starters. And part of that trade down nets us a QB.

Or they draft a QB, and trade down for a player plus pick(s).

Both scenarios are the only way avoid QB hell and net two starters.

Buyer beware.

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In comment 14405200 jtgiants said: Quote: Williams, Allen, Wilkins is still what im hearing at 6 God I hope you're right man, I would be so happy to land one of those 3 I feel like Wilkins is that guy everybody has mocked as a mid 1st round guy, but teams have him as a top 10 guy

My main problem with Wilkins is just that I don't know that he's ideally suited for 3-4 or that a 3-4 team necessarily wants to spend such high draft capital on an interior guy. I think they desperately need a Josh Allen-type multi-dimensional, athletic 3-4 OLB. I'd even really like Brian Burns, though I guess he's more in play at 17. I do really like Burns though. If he can put on a bit of weight, he can be a Jason Taylor type guy who could also drop back in coverage. He's a blue chip athlete.

and waiting until next year for Tua Fromm and Herbert.

won't be any better then this bunch or the previous year's prospects.

CFB isn't churning out the prototype NFL QB anymore.

In comment 14405347 Chip said:

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and waiting until next year for Tua Fromm and Herbert.

That works. No matter where we’re drafting, we tell other teams hands off mah draft pick, and they let them fall to us. I knew I was missing something about the draft. Giants like Fromm, Giants get Fromm. Easy peezy.

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In comment 14405314 BlueVinnie said: Quote: In comment 14405286 TMS said: [quote] Why not? Never show your hole card to an opponent or media reporter. I agree with you but that's not what bothers me. It's his philosophy of how to build a team and his reasoning behind some of the roster moves and draft decisions he's already made that scare me. Getting rid of malcontents and rebuilding the OL scares you?

- thinking you win with a power running game scares me

- thinking getting Peppers in the OBJ trade is like getting a 1st round pick scares me

- thinking that when you want to trade one of the most dangerous offensive weapons in the game, it's best not to call other teams to see what they're willing to offer, scares me

- placing too high of a value on character when drafting players scares me. It should be considered and any serious red flags avoided but this isn't a league full of choir boys

- last year not even listening to offers for the overall #2 pick in the draft scares me

- I'm sure there are others that just aren't coming to mind

be we trade into the first round for a 3rd first rounder!

is what i am confused about. The giants want immediate starters and want to win this year. Assuming their plan goes well and the team ends up anywhere from 8-8 to 10-6, that means their draft pick will be anywhere from 15ish to 20. How are they getting a QB next year ? they would have to give up their entire draft and maybe most of the 2021 draft to move up so many spots into the top 5 when so many teams are going to want to move up also. If they are a good team next year it makes getting one of those franchise QB next year almost impossible. So what is the plan to get their next QB if they pass on drafting another one again this year ?

In comment 14405405 Giantfan21 said:

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is what i am confused about. The giants want immediate starters and want to win this year. Assuming their plan goes well and the team ends up anywhere from 8-8 to 10-6, that means their draft pick will be anywhere from 15ish to 20. How are they getting a QB next year ? they would have to give up their entire draft and maybe most of the 2021 draft to move up so many spots into the top 5 when so many teams are going to want to move up also. If they are a good team next year it makes getting one of those franchise QB next year almost impossible. So what is the plan to get their next QB if they pass on drafting another one again this year ?

My guess is that if they go 10-6, they will think that they don't need a QB in 2020. And maybe they are right.

maybe they also know that if Eli continues to regress, its likely we will be top 10 again

In comment 14405265 jtgiants said:

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1. We will acquire at least a pick between 37 and 95 is my understanding 2. The Giants could move down from 17 for a player in peppers mold and the aforementioned picks i just mentioned

Haason Reddick makes sense and is in a similar position with his ball club. #17 for him is not enough value, so I would assume #17 for Reddick and #33, with us throwing in a late 5th-7th rounder makes sense

just seems like a free pass to bash him.

He could sit there stone silent and somebody would say he fucking sucks at being in public and is so stupid he's literally become dumb....

DG is not in love with any of the QBs in the "top 20", and does not want to use either of his first round picks on that position; he sees better value in a sure starter with a pair of BPA choices.

However he is not blind to the need for a replacement for Eli, and is willing to use a lower round pick on one or more QBs to develop over the next 2 years, who may have high potential, but a lot more risk.

Who TF cares? My grandkids predicted Barkley this year so DG gave away nothing. This year he’s really giving away nothing save for the requisite beneralities

that is

In comment 14405368 BlueVinnie said:

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In comment 14405317 GothamGiants said: Quote: In comment 14405314 BlueVinnie said: Quote: In comment 14405286 TMS said: [quote] Why not? Never show your hole card to an opponent or media reporter. I agree with you but that's not what bothers me. It's his philosophy of how to build a team and his reasoning behind some of the roster moves and draft decisions he's already made that scare me. Getting rid of malcontents and rebuilding the OL scares you? - thinking you win with a power running game scares me - thinking getting Peppers in the OBJ trade is like getting a 1st round pick scares me - thinking that when you want to trade one of the most dangerous offensive weapons in the game, it's best not to call other teams to see what they're willing to offer, scares me - placing too high of a value on character when drafting players scares me. It should be considered and any serious red flags avoided but this isn't a league full of choir boys - last year not even listening to offers for the overall #2 pick in the draft scares me - I'm sure there are others that just aren't coming to mind

Dallas has won with a power running game for 3-4 years now. And I think people are saying that we got a first round talent with Peppers, which is fairly obvious despite an unconvincing start in Cleveland

In comment 14405358 BigBlueCane said:

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won't be any better then this bunch or the previous year's prospects. CFB isn't churning out the prototype NFL QB anymore.

Literally everyone disagrees with this

has the best poker face in the game today. No one has a clue.

In comment 14405373 Amtoft said:

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be we trade into the first round for a 3rd first rounder!

Just rumored on NFL Network for a QB. Finley or Grier were mentioned.

In comment 14405233 Bill L said:

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1) Can someone give me a snap rundown on why one is preferable to the other or which one is the better talent? 2) If Oliver is slightly more talented, do you think that his clashes were considered to bring him down, if they rate Wilkins higher?

As a Clemson fan who watched every game for 10 years, I can only provide one side; why Gettleman could be salivating for Christian (based on DG's interviews).
- Attitude/locker room/team leader - Christian is the epitome of what PS and DG are striving for in their team remake. He is always the first player to run into the endzone to congratulate an offensive TD. His attitude is contagious!
- Flexibility, athleticism - he plays all over the line and even a significant number of offensive plays.
- Intelligence as well as football smarts. (High grades and stayed an extra year after graduation, working as an elementary school teaching assistant.)
- Fan Favorite - his interviews are delightful (think anti Snacks). Wouldn't it be fun to have another "Refrigerator" from Clemson who could line up in the offensive backfield on goal line attempts?; he's blocked, run it in, dove over the pile and even caught a TE TD!
In other words, he is the model of DG's Lead Dog.

Finley being mentioned. DG is good.

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This made me laugh. Couldn't agree more.

spoke well and look how that worked out

But it could all be BS.

In comment 14405478 Giants in 07 said:

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Dallas has won with a power running game for 3-4 years now. And I think people are saying that we got a first round talent with Peppers, which is fairly obvious despite an unconvincing start in Cleveland

Regarding Dallas, yes, they've had a winning record. However, they've yet to reach a conference chanpionship game with one of, if not the best, O-Lines in the game and a top RB. I doubt they ever reach a Super Bowl with Dak as their QB.

Time will tell if Peppers performs like a 1st round pick should - I hope he does. My point was, that an additional 1st round draft pick is vastly more valuable to a team with all our needs, than a good safety. We would have been in much better position for a trade up in the 2020 draft for a QB without mortgaging the future (assuming we don't draft one this year). Otherwise, we could have used that pick to land a player at a position which is tougher to fill than safety (pass rusher, O-line, CB, etc.).

Hmm...#6 and trade at #17 for Rosen and Peterson. That gives you two starters and a QB that sits, no?