Kimberly Jones
& #8207;Verified account @KimJonesSports
49s50 seconds ago
Dave Gettleman to me/@NFLnetwork: "We want to come out of (1st rd) with 2 legitimate starters....(who) can step in & help us win now." What about a QB, who would sit? "No, he wouldn't (start right away) but it's the position...The worse place u can be is quarterback hell." #NYG
I think Allen and Wilkins...
He means you never draft a QB early just because you feel you need to. It sets your organization back at least another 2 or 3 years.
Pick 17- Greedy Williams/ Devin Bush/ Lawrence/ Wilkins/ Sweat/ Burns
Pick 37 - Jaylon Ferguson/ AJ Brown/ Hakeem Butler
Or
QB Will Grier round 2/ end round 1
Taken out of context if you don’t see the rest of the paragraph
Quote:
line mean?
Taken out of context if you don’t see the rest of the paragraph
Fill us in
He said he wants two starters out of the 1st and that a rookie QB wouldn't start. That's exactly what he said.
Whether he's shooting straight or FOS? That's another question.
I took it as just clarifying that IF they took a QB, that, ok, yeah, HE wouldn't be a starter right away.
Idk, I didn't hear it.
he wants two starters, so that means QB is out.
what does the "but its the position" part mean in that context?
jtgiants, someone posted earlier mentioning that you mentioned possible trades and could mean a player. You’ve said it isn’t Rosen which is fine, is it an OL, WR, DB... can you elaborate? Is it any closer to being done?
Agree 100%. The more I hear him talk, the more I worry about our future.
And I’m still HOPING FOR HASKINS! That stupidity - though I did not listen to the interview - is inherently contradictory. In any event, we’ll find out soon enough.
he wants two starters, so that means QB is out.
what does the "but its the position" part mean in that context?
He's saying a QB would technically not be a "starter" immediately because Eli is the starter... but would obviously be drafted with the intention of being one by season's end or going into 2020.
2) If Oliver is slightly more talented, do you think that his clashes were considered to bring him down, if they rate Wilkins higher?
2) If Oliver is slightly more talented, do you think that his clashes were considered to bring him down, if they rate Wilkins higher?
There is a good overview by Sy in the BBI Draft section.
2) If Oliver is slightly more talented, do you think that his clashes were considered to bring him down, if they rate Wilkins higher?
I think its the leadership qualities and character that separate the 2. Giants higher on Wilks character.
Also Wilks is a bit bigger and better fit on the 3-4DL
Quote:
1) Can someone give me a snap rundown on why one is preferable to the other or which one is the better talent?
2) If Oliver is slightly more talented, do you think that his clashes were considered to bring him down, if they rate Wilkins higher?
There is a good overview by Sy in the BBI Draft section.
Yeah and he did a great job.
I was kind of thinking of more a head to head type thing. Why specifically one would be chosen over the other.
Quote:
1) Can someone give me a snap rundown on why one is preferable to the other or which one is the better talent?
2) If Oliver is slightly more talented, do you think that his clashes were considered to bring him down, if they rate Wilkins higher?
I think its the leadership qualities and character that separate the 2. Giants higher on Wilks character.
Also Wilks is a bit bigger and better fit on the 3-4DL
Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks.
It means they're not taking a QB unless they do take a QB, and if they do take a QB, he's sitting for a year. DG is very good at doublespeak.
2. The Giants could move down from 17 for a player in peppers mold and the aforementioned picks i just mentioned
this seems like a reasonable interpretation
Great to hear
That's certainly what he keeps saying. He has also at times stated that QBs should not be looked at any differently. He can't really believe that. He must realize that you absolutely have to take positional value into account. I mean you don't make a huge reach but if the QB is rated the lowest of maybe the next 4 or 5 guys on your board, you've got to take QB given our current state of the position. We may not be in QB hell yet but we can feel the heat and we are hurtling closer and closer.
It's as if he's looking for a QB where he has zero concerns about that player. If and when that happens, unless you happen to suck, you'll likely end up in a very expensive bidding war for the right to draft that player.
I hear you. And my reading of the tea leaves tells me he is. If I trusted Gettleman more, I’d be more confident, but I don’t. I also believe that there is at least a decent chance Allen falls to the pick, and he could muck the QB thing up because I could easily see the Giants rating him very highly.
So join with me in HOPING FOR HASKINS!
2. The Giants could move down from 17 for a player in peppers mold and the aforementioned picks i just mentioned
What do u mean by a player in the peppers mold?
Agreed.
God I hope you're right man, I would be so happy to land one of those 3
I feel like Wilkins is that guy everybody has mocked as a mid 1st round guy, but teams have him as a top 10 guy
It was an answer to a simple question. Not a thesis statement.
Quote:
is if your team keeps hovering around the .500 mark, you are also in QB hell and have a much harsher price to pay to get a good one.
Agreed.
There are a boatload of flaws in his logic. I’m really hoping this is all a smokescreen, but I’m not dumb enough to forget last year, either. So if we pass in a QB, I won’t be devastated like I was last year.
[quote] Why not? Never show your hole card to an opponent or media reporter.
I agree with you but that's not what bothers me. It's his philosophy of how to build a team and his reasoning behind some of the roster moves and draft decisions he's already made that scare me.
Coke? Control the young guys in their up side? Come again?
[quote] Why not? Never show your hole card to an opponent or media reporter.
I agree with you but that's not what bothers me. It's his philosophy of how to build a team and his reasoning behind some of the roster moves and draft decisions he's already made that scare me.
Getting rid of malcontents and rebuilding the OL scares you?
Ok sounds good. Thanks
Quote:
Young cost controlled guy w upside who can help us right now
Coke? Control the young guys in their up side? Come again?
Coke is the guy's handle that asked him to clarify.
Any guesses who that player could be? Cost controlled, so maybe on his rookie deal?
No White?
But, you still need a good guy under center to act as trigger-man for that offense and Sooner or later you will run into two kinds of teams. One that can stop your running game and force your QB to beat them and Two, one that can score almost at will on your defense, forcing your QB to match them.
You need a QB in this league. It seems like the Giants are still looking for Unicorns to play the position sadly.
I trust his judgment to build this team the right way.
How can they walk out of tonight with two legit starters AND a QB (to avoid “qb hell”)?
Trade down for player and pick(s). Ie trade down, draft two D stud starters. And part of that trade down nets us a QB.
Or they draft a QB, and trade down for a player plus pick(s).
Both scenarios are the only way avoid QB hell and net two starters.
Quote:
Williams, Allen, Wilkins is still what im hearing at 6
God I hope you're right man, I would be so happy to land one of those 3
I feel like Wilkins is that guy everybody has mocked as a mid 1st round guy, but teams have him as a top 10 guy
My main problem with Wilkins is just that I don't know that he's ideally suited for 3-4 or that a 3-4 team necessarily wants to spend such high draft capital on an interior guy. I think they desperately need a Josh Allen-type multi-dimensional, athletic 3-4 OLB. I'd even really like Brian Burns, though I guess he's more in play at 17. I do really like Burns though. If he can put on a bit of weight, he can be a Jason Taylor type guy who could also drop back in coverage. He's a blue chip athlete.
CFB isn't churning out the prototype NFL QB anymore.
That works. No matter where we’re drafting, we tell other teams hands off mah draft pick, and they let them fall to us. I knew I was missing something about the draft. Giants like Fromm, Giants get Fromm. Easy peezy.
Quote:
In comment 14405286 TMS said:
[quote] Why not? Never show your hole card to an opponent or media reporter.
I agree with you but that's not what bothers me. It's his philosophy of how to build a team and his reasoning behind some of the roster moves and draft decisions he's already made that scare me.
Getting rid of malcontents and rebuilding the OL scares you?
- thinking you win with a power running game scares me
- thinking getting Peppers in the OBJ trade is like getting a 1st round pick scares me
- thinking that when you want to trade one of the most dangerous offensive weapons in the game, it's best not to call other teams to see what they're willing to offer, scares me
- placing too high of a value on character when drafting players scares me. It should be considered and any serious red flags avoided but this isn't a league full of choir boys
- last year not even listening to offers for the overall #2 pick in the draft scares me
- I'm sure there are others that just aren't coming to mind
My guess is that if they go 10-6, they will think that they don't need a QB in 2020. And maybe they are right.
maybe they also know that if Eli continues to regress, its likely we will be top 10 again
2. The Giants could move down from 17 for a player in peppers mold and the aforementioned picks i just mentioned
Haason Reddick makes sense and is in a similar position with his ball club. #17 for him is not enough value, so I would assume #17 for Reddick and #33, with us throwing in a late 5th-7th rounder makes sense
He could sit there stone silent and somebody would say he fucking sucks at being in public and is so stupid he's literally become dumb....
However he is not blind to the need for a replacement for Eli, and is willing to use a lower round pick on one or more QBs to develop over the next 2 years, who may have high potential, but a lot more risk.
Quote:
In comment 14405314 BlueVinnie said:
Quote:
In comment 14405286 TMS said:
[quote] Why not? Never show your hole card to an opponent or media reporter.
I agree with you but that's not what bothers me. It's his philosophy of how to build a team and his reasoning behind some of the roster moves and draft decisions he's already made that scare me.
Getting rid of malcontents and rebuilding the OL scares you?
- thinking you win with a power running game scares me
- thinking getting Peppers in the OBJ trade is like getting a 1st round pick scares me
- thinking that when you want to trade one of the most dangerous offensive weapons in the game, it's best not to call other teams to see what they're willing to offer, scares me
- placing too high of a value on character when drafting players scares me. It should be considered and any serious red flags avoided but this isn't a league full of choir boys
- last year not even listening to offers for the overall #2 pick in the draft scares me
- I'm sure there are others that just aren't coming to mind
Dallas has won with a power running game for 3-4 years now. And I think people are saying that we got a first round talent with Peppers, which is fairly obvious despite an unconvincing start in Cleveland
CFB isn't churning out the prototype NFL QB anymore.
Literally everyone disagrees with this
Just rumored on NFL Network for a QB. Finley or Grier were mentioned.
2) If Oliver is slightly more talented, do you think that his clashes were considered to bring him down, if they rate Wilkins higher?
As a Clemson fan who watched every game for 10 years, I can only provide one side; why Gettleman could be salivating for Christian (based on DG's interviews).
- Attitude/locker room/team leader - Christian is the epitome of what PS and DG are striving for in their team remake. He is always the first player to run into the endzone to congratulate an offensive TD. His attitude is contagious!
- Flexibility, athleticism - he plays all over the line and even a significant number of offensive plays.
- Intelligence as well as football smarts. (High grades and stayed an extra year after graduation, working as an elementary school teaching assistant.)
- Fan Favorite - his interviews are delightful (think anti Snacks). Wouldn't it be fun to have another "Refrigerator" from Clemson who could line up in the offensive backfield on goal line attempts?; he's blocked, run it in, dove over the pile and even caught a TE TD!
In other words, he is the model of DG's Lead Dog.
This made me laugh. Couldn't agree more.
Dallas has won with a power running game for 3-4 years now. And I think people are saying that we got a first round talent with Peppers, which is fairly obvious despite an unconvincing start in Cleveland
Regarding Dallas, yes, they've had a winning record. However, they've yet to reach a conference chanpionship game with one of, if not the best, O-Lines in the game and a top RB. I doubt they ever reach a Super Bowl with Dak as their QB.
Time will tell if Peppers performs like a 1st round pick should - I hope he does. My point was, that an additional 1st round draft pick is vastly more valuable to a team with all our needs, than a good safety. We would have been in much better position for a trade up in the 2020 draft for a QB without mortgaging the future (assuming we don't draft one this year). Otherwise, we could have used that pick to land a player at a position which is tougher to fill than safety (pass rusher, O-line, CB, etc.).