and they think he will be available in rd 2 when they pick. it's prob worth it for them to trade back into the first to get him just to save on the cap
Would think they could easily get Finley or Grier Â
Coming back into the first round to grab a QB you don’t have a “franchise” mentality on (or else they would have been snapped up earlier) is a wasted pick, imo.
Coming back into the first round to grab a QB you don’t have a “franchise” mentality on (or else they would have been snapped up earlier) is a wasted pick, imo.
Why can't there be an in between. I don't think not wanting a guy at 6 means you don't love him. It can simply mean he just isn't rated as high.
If Jones is an 80 and an ER is a 90, take the ER. If Jones slips and he's now more in line with the rest of your board in the 20's, then do what you have to do to move up.
I'm fine with this. There's no way I want us picking a QB at 6 (or even 17) that's rated far behind the top end talent.
you draft Haskins, Murray, or trade for Rosen. I hate when teams do this crap where they move into the late 1st to get a QB. Outside of Rogers, how many good QB’s in recent memory have come out of the end of the first round?
All I can think of are the types like Brandon Weeden, JP Losman, Manziel, etc.
If that’s our plan I hope we just wait until next year to draft a QB.
Doubt that the Giants 2nd and 3rd (late third) enough? Even that would leave a draft hole from late 1st to 108th overall. Probably a 2020 pick in the trade.
don't like this. Either have a conviction to draft a QB you think can be your franchise QB or dont waste a big asset on one of these middling QBs. Im tired of these half measures like lauletta last year
Clearer by the day that the Giants are an organization that just does not know how to evaluate the qb position. Possibly it could be due to a lack of objectivity around Eli, but when I see names like Ryan Finley and Will Grier (as well as Jones for that matter) as first round picks, you just have to wonder.
Coming back into the first round to grab a QB you don’t have a “franchise” mentality on (or else they would have been snapped up earlier) is a wasted pick, imo.
Why can't there be an in between. I don't think not wanting a guy at 6 means you don't love him. It can simply mean he just isn't rated as high.
If Jones is an 80 and an ER is a 90, take the ER. If Jones slips and he's now more in line with the rest of your board in the 20's, then do what you have to do to move up.
I'm fine with this. There's no way I want us picking a QB at 6 (or even 17) that's rated far behind the top end talent.
Sorry, disagree to a degree. You take a QB that you believe can be your guy for at least the next decade. You don’t draft potential projects or might be’s..The stakes are too high, imo..If you believe totally in your projected QB pick, you don’t fluck around, you take him as soon as you can. Polian and Brandt have said this many times through the years
RE: Jesus Christ. Just get fucking Rosen if he's made available. Â
unless it was for Jones. Grier and Finley are not QB's that can carry a team. They are game managers at best. I would lose faith in Gettleman if he thought that either was the long term answer. If that's the case they need to wait until 2020 and take their chances then.
Clearer by the day that the Giants are an organization that just does not know how to evaluate the qb position. Possibly it could be due to a lack of objectivity around Eli, but when I see names like Ryan Finley and Will Grier (as well as Jones for that matter) as first round picks, you just have to wonder.
love keyboard warriors with the strong takes off of a comment that is complete speculation. let them actually do something before passing judgement.
our fourth or fifth choice? I call bullshit. If a QB is not worth taking with the 17th choice, or rated by the team as worth trading up from 17 into the top ten for, then he isn't worth taking (as the next franchise QB)at all.
RE: RE: RE: Jesus Christ. Just get fucking Rosen if he's made available. Â
Coming back into the first round to grab a QB you don’t have a “franchise” mentality on (or else they would have been snapped up earlier) is a wasted pick, imo.
Why can't there be an in between. I don't think not wanting a guy at 6 means you don't love him. It can simply mean he just isn't rated as high.
If Jones is an 80 and an ER is a 90, take the ER. If Jones slips and he's now more in line with the rest of your board in the 20's, then do what you have to do to move up.
I'm fine with this. There's no way I want us picking a QB at 6 (or even 17) that's rated far behind the top end talent.
Sorry, disagree to a degree. You take a QB that you believe can be your guy for at least the next decade. You don’t draft potential projects or might be’s..The stakes are too high, imo..If you believe totally in your projected QB pick, you don’t fluck around, you take him as soon as you can. Polian and Brandt have said this many times through the years
Yeah and I get that. But they are starting Eli this year and have a stocked draft next year at the position. If you like a QB but he's simply not at the top of your board, what's the point in over drafting him? Why did Baltimore do it last year? They likely had Jackson dinged for his flaws but felt the value was much better towards the end of the first. They drafted a TE over him at 25, and now Jackson (right or wrong) is their starting QB.
This isn't the end all be all draft for QB - they made that clear by giving Eli his bonus. He's here to stay for 2019 which tells me they aren't going to force the pick but will look into jumping on an opportunity should it present itself. That's good business, IMO.
Don’t be duped. We are all anxious and these guys know it by writing this shit. Remind yourselves -don’t you find it amazing that just about 3.5 hours before a most secretive draft, that all of a sudden teams are chirping their intentions.
This kid makes the most sense for the Giants. The kid has a good contract, a year of experience with a line even worse than the Giants and will be coached by a guy who has demonstrated the ability to improve QBs with much less talent.
I watched Jones 4 times this year, Lock 3 times and Haskins 4-5 times. At no point in time did any impress me other than Haskins, who was inconsistent.
Clearer by the day that the Giants are an organization that just does not know how to evaluate the qb position. Possibly it could be due to a lack of objectivity around Eli, but when I see names like Ryan Finley and Will Grier (as well as Jones for that matter) as first round picks, you just have to wonder.
I'm constantly amazed at the people who read reports like this and just automatically believe its real. When did people become so gullible and naive?
Then it seems to me they plan to build with a big O Line and running game, and a dominant defense, with a game manager at QB.
I'm a contrarian by nature, but that to me is Giants football. I would LOVE it. And I think it still wins in the NFL, despite how it has morphed. If anything, I think it would be harder to play against a team like that today than it would have 20 or 30 years ago.
Don’t be duped. We are all anxious and these guys know it by writing this shit. Remind yourselves -don’t you find it amazing that just about 3.5 hours before a most secretive draft, that all of a sudden teams are chirping their intentions.
Rap got the information from other teams, not the Giants. Presumably because they Giants have had preliminary discussions about those picks with some of these teams.
GFC
In fact I would prefer Rosen.
This^^^. I sure hope this isn’t the case! Haskins or trade for Rosen. Heck or extend Eli 2 or 3 more years and be done with it!
Why can't there be an in between. I don't think not wanting a guy at 6 means you don't love him. It can simply mean he just isn't rated as high.
If Jones is an 80 and an ER is a 90, take the ER. If Jones slips and he's now more in line with the rest of your board in the 20's, then do what you have to do to move up.
I'm fine with this. There's no way I want us picking a QB at 6 (or even 17) that's rated far behind the top end talent.
All I can think of are the types like Brandon Weeden, JP Losman, Manziel, etc.
If that’s our plan I hope we just wait until next year to draft a QB.
If Jones is there at 20 something (assuming that's where the need to be) sure go for it.
I'd skip the other 2 guys or wait till the second round +
Now I am not a Rosen fan by any stretch of the imagination, but if 37 gets that done, I probably pull the trigger.
If Jones is gone, I absolutely pull the trigger
You do know that most of this crap isn't true, right?
Just because someone says something, doesn't make it a fact.
Grier is more interesting. But they can stay at 37 and get him.
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Coming back into the first round to grab a QB you don’t have a “franchise” mentality on (or else they would have been snapped up earlier) is a wasted pick, imo.
Why can't there be an in between. I don't think not wanting a guy at 6 means you don't love him. It can simply mean he just isn't rated as high.
If Jones is an 80 and an ER is a 90, take the ER. If Jones slips and he's now more in line with the rest of your board in the 20's, then do what you have to do to move up.
I'm fine with this. There's no way I want us picking a QB at 6 (or even 17) that's rated far behind the top end talent.
Sorry, disagree to a degree. You take a QB that you believe can be your guy for at least the next decade. You don’t draft potential projects or might be’s..The stakes are too high, imo..If you believe totally in your projected QB pick, you don’t fluck around, you take him as soon as you can. Polian and Brandt have said this many times through the years
Yup, at this point I’d give up 17 for him. Why not? So we can use that pick on a player at the same position that is likely inferior?
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He's better than all of these guys we're talking about here.
Yup, at this point I’d give up 17 for him. Why not? So we can use that pick on a player at the same position that is likely inferior?
They don’t need to give up 17. Cardinals would jump if they offered 37.
love keyboard warriors with the strong takes off of a comment that is complete speculation. let them actually do something before passing judgement.
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He's better than all of these guys we're talking about here.
Yup, at this point I’d give up 17 for him. Why not? So we can use that pick on a player at the same position that is likely inferior?
They don’t need to give up 17. Cardinals would jump if they offered 37.
I meant if 37 wasn’t good enough.
My thoughts exactly ... all the sudden everyone’s puffing BS smoke
The giants and Rosen make too much sense
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On AZ to lower their demands on Rosen?
My thoughts exactly ... all the sudden everyone’s puffing BS smoke
The giants and Rosen make too much sense
And I've been saying for weeks/months there is no way we trade for him. All the sudden in the last day I think it's a legit possibility.
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Coming back into the first round to grab a QB you don’t have a “franchise” mentality on (or else they would have been snapped up earlier) is a wasted pick, imo.
Why can't there be an in between. I don't think not wanting a guy at 6 means you don't love him. It can simply mean he just isn't rated as high.
If Jones is an 80 and an ER is a 90, take the ER. If Jones slips and he's now more in line with the rest of your board in the 20's, then do what you have to do to move up.
I'm fine with this. There's no way I want us picking a QB at 6 (or even 17) that's rated far behind the top end talent.
Sorry, disagree to a degree. You take a QB that you believe can be your guy for at least the next decade. You don’t draft potential projects or might be’s..The stakes are too high, imo..If you believe totally in your projected QB pick, you don’t fluck around, you take him as soon as you can. Polian and Brandt have said this many times through the years
Yeah and I get that. But they are starting Eli this year and have a stocked draft next year at the position. If you like a QB but he's simply not at the top of your board, what's the point in over drafting him? Why did Baltimore do it last year? They likely had Jackson dinged for his flaws but felt the value was much better towards the end of the first. They drafted a TE over him at 25, and now Jackson (right or wrong) is their starting QB.
This isn't the end all be all draft for QB - they made that clear by giving Eli his bonus. He's here to stay for 2019 which tells me they aren't going to force the pick but will look into jumping on an opportunity should it present itself. That's good business, IMO.
I'm thinking they just don't like Rosen in the NYC environment.
I watched Jones 4 times this year, Lock 3 times and Haskins 4-5 times. At no point in time did any impress me other than Haskins, who was inconsistent.
I'm constantly amazed at the people who read reports like this and just automatically believe its real. When did people become so gullible and naive?
I'm a contrarian by nature, but that to me is Giants football. I would LOVE it. And I think it still wins in the NFL, despite how it has morphed. If anything, I think it would be harder to play against a team like that today than it would have 20 or 30 years ago.
Rap got the information from other teams, not the Giants. Presumably because they Giants have had preliminary discussions about those picks with some of these teams.