. Just absolutely mindblowingly moronic. There is no value here. It's a sub par QB, who'd need to break every statistical mould for his college efficiency to improve to average NFL QB levels.
that talk about defense, and we take Jones. A QB who stares down targets and has an average NFL arm. Finley in the third, or Rosen at #37 were much better options. We also of course passed on Allen.
All the pros say if you want someone you have to grab them early or risk losing them.....I also wanted someone who would start this year in a position of real need.....Allen fell in and then out of our grasp....on to 17
lectures us about how you can't reach for a pick, and then does just that. Are we really to believe that Jones was the highest rated player on their board?
and pulled the trigger. I like his mobility and he’s got a decent arm, but most of all has some nice intangibles, intelligent, gritty and calm under pressure. I think a year learning behind Eli will help him immensely.
lectures us about how you can't reach for a pick, and then does just that. Are we really to believe that Jones was the highest rated player on their board?
a franchise QB. Better be right. DG's legacy is this pick. I'm fine with it. We'll see in preseason and whenever he takes over. Glad there was no trade up.
but he did say he thought fan outrage over Eli might force their hand. He was right on that aspect. I don't like the pick.
If they think this a move to placate the fanbase, well that's almost more stupid than the pick.
It's almost worse if this is a reaction to the fans because a) that's just fucking weak
b) it'll be counterproductive
while I can take or leave draft 'guru's' evaluations, the eyes don't lie. This isn't a great QB, outside of some plus athleticism he's a mediocre talent who just happens to have been well coached (not that it stopped some absolutely mindblowingly bad decisions)
Now Gettleman doubles (or triples) down and just invites us to be the laughingstock of the league. I’m getting trashed in texts from my buddies and sure I’m not the only one. This is such a horseshit move.
but he did say he thought fan outrage over Eli might force their hand. He was right on that aspect. I don't like the pick.
Your source said fan outrage might force the Giants pick a specific player or position? who the F is running this organization?
I don't care they took a QB, people get all bullshit on draft day and he could be the next Joe Montana, but fan outrage dictating draft picks is a trait of a horseshit organization. It's what the Redskins or Jets would do.
folks are disappointed. I don't know anything about Jones. From what I have heard I am dubious but... this is exactly what you want your GM to do. You want him to develop a conviction about a QB and make sure he goes out and gets him and doesn't get trumped by another team. I have been a harsh critic of DG but I respect this move.
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but he did say he thought fan outrage over Eli might force their hand. He was right on that aspect. I don't like the pick.
Your source said fan outrage might force the Giants pick a specific player or position? who the F is running this organization?
I don't care they took a QB, people get all bullshit on draft day and he could be the next Joe Montana, but fan outrage dictating draft picks is a trait of a horseshit organization. It's what the Redskins or Jets would do.
This, I am going to be pissed if Lock falls to 17 when Josh Allen fell right in the Giants lap and they passed. If Gettleman is wrong he just wasted several years of Barkleys career.
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Now Gettleman doubles (or triples) down and just invites us to be the laughingstock of the league. I’m getting trashed in texts from my buddies and sure I’m not the only one. This is such a horseshit move.
Are your buddies professional scouts? Then tell them to get fucked.
It's not worth investing too much energy in all this BS Imo, lol at NYG. Josh Allen is going to be an all pro, Daniel Jones will be at best a solid game manager Imo...get rdy for more misery, we might be so bad we get a shot at Sunshine from Tenn, hopefully Dan Jones proves insufficient by then so we can get a real game changer at qb sometime .
but he did say he thought fan outrage over Eli might force their hand. He was right on that aspect. I don't like the pick.
This pick is the opposite of a PR move. Hell, the biggest thing I respect about it is the willingness to do it in the face of an almost unified backlash from both "sides" of the debate.
I don't ever want to hear a fucking word he ever has to say again, nothing he says has any value. I never wanna hear his I-know-better-than-you talk ever again. Fuck him.
The Browns have passed the mantle of eternal suckitude to us.
Football Winter has come. Unbelievable. FUCK YOU GETTLEMAN
But taking this guy at 6 is insane with the defensive talent right there....This guy is not a #6 talent...show me one hightlight reel where you are wow'd....I didnt see one and thats the puff piece they put out...I dont know what to say other than wtf...
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He apparently had the best pro day of all the QBs by far. He is tough, smart and cool under pressure. I can see the disappointment... But if they had that strong of a conviction I am OK with it. This is not a GM that reaches for a QB.... Otherwise darnold would have been the easy choice.
Eli play 2 more yrs and I think he's done. Man I hate this pick, especially with Allen on the board.
Gettleman is full of shit, best player available my ass. No way is he better than Allen, then how do you pick Barkley last year.
lectures us about how you can't reach for a pick, and then does just that. Are we really to believe that Jones was the highest rated player on their board?
They look like imbeciles. It flies in the face of the decision they made last season, which despite the media bullshit was defensible... draft the best player available. There is no way they can convince anyone that Daniel Jones was the best player available. They totally reached based on position.
This was literally the one thing I didn't want them to do.
I can't even begin to explain this. Josh Allen fell into your laps. Daniel Jones I guess will be a good backup one day perhaps.
And the Jags sprinted up to take him
Fuck off like you've watched a single game Jones played. Why don't you go post on a Jets site instead of wasting your time here trying to convince us that the Jets are a well run organization.
He apparently had the best pro day of all the QBs by far. He is tough, smart and cool under pressure. I can see the disappointment... But if they had that strong of a conviction I am OK with it. This is not a GM that reaches for a QB.... Otherwise darnold would have been the easy choice.
I’ve watched him play plenty snaps. I’m not an expert but there’s nothing excellent about this guy. He’s average through and through. His ceiling is Alex Smith and that’s being kind
you pass on allen/oliver/bush to add punch to a team desperate for defense to pick a mediocre qb who might be good way down the road. pick smells of desperation by the owners.
I could live with it. No one can be sure about these things. But if Daniel Jones busts I won't be able to handle it because I will never not believe that they picked him because they were "comfortable" with him due to the Cutcliffe/Mannings connection.
How do you justify taking him at 6? He's there at 17. They literally did this so DG can stand up there like a prick and say in his phony boston accent "we had conviction, you don't get cute when you have your guy." They used the 6 pick in the draft so they don't have to answer a tough question to the media.
but no way were they going to replace Eli with a black QB. Instead they wanted a guy who will look and act like Eli, even down to having had the same coach. Jones will be no threat to Eli, who will still be starting in 2020 and maybe beyond.
JonC's comments pretty much say this orginization fucking Â
stinks from the head. Making football decisions because of fan outrage? John Mara is such a beta cuck it is unbelievable. Must be nice to inherit an NFL team.
I am absolutely stunned that we passed on Josh Allen Â
I am going to root for him and hope that he is a success for my Giants, unlike some people on this board who wish for Barkley to fair. The good news is I don’t have to hear these whiny bastards crying for a quarterback. You got what you want. You better pray the defense is fixed, because there are not going to be impact players if the edge rushers are gone.
I think he has some very good traits but I would not have taken him at 6.
+1
I think this will be seen as a reach but we won't completely regret it. Hopefully there's some upside here because I'm a little worried he's a game manager that you're happy to have on a first contract only type. 6 is rich for that but I respect that they took their guy at 6 and didn't mess around.
Gil Brandt: 2nd rated QB after Murray and 17th ranked of all players.
School: Duke | Year: Junior (RS)
Not a power thrower, Jones is more of a touch passer. He's very tough and a hard worker who wants to get better every day. Jones completed 60.5 percent of his passes in 2018, but was hampered by drops from his receivers. He's very athletic and can run. This well-coached player makes me think of Danny White, who was a quarterback for the Cowboys in the 1980s. Jones has size (6-5 1/8) and 4.7 speed. He's very savvy, and I think he will be a good NFL quarterback. There are lots of things to like about him.
Took too early. DG imitated George Young and just stayed in place, not risking anything.
Here's how I see it. Jones plays for Cutcliffe for 3 years, he attends Manning camps, there has to be a tremendous amount of trust in Eli and David Cutcliffe to make this pick here. I don't on the surface like it, but I didn't like Eli over Big Ben or Rivers along w/ the traded assets and maybe we win more with either one and the extra picks but we have two rings with Eli. Jones played with awful talent, no OL and his WRs dropped tons of passes and he still led a bad Duke team to a winning record. I question his arm, I really do, it's not something I like in a QB when he can't rip it. I'm going to wait, watch and see what happens and hope we're right. I don't think he was the right pick, I really don't but I'm getting on board, because we root for this forking team and I'm sick of hating everything they do.
FUCK DAVE GETTLEMAN, fuck the entire front office, there's no fucking plan. They just dismantled whatever little core this team had and used our #6 pick for a JAG when we could have had Josh Allen. BPA my ass.
but no way were they going to replace Eli with a black QB. Instead they wanted a guy who will look and act like Eli, even down to having had the same coach. Jones will be no threat to Eli, who will still be starting in 2020 and maybe beyond.
Disagree... It should have been Allen. However, I think Haskins has character flaws... The Bengals just passed on DH. I hate the Jones pick, but ur off.
on the QB class of 2020. We’ve been told up, down, and sideways that Eli is the QB for 2019, and I can’t imagine in my wildest dreams that they’ll take a QB in the first round next year after investing #6 overall this season (and not letting him play).
Honestly, QB at 6 felt like it was truly the only awful answer this year.
I really despise the decisions this organization has been making for the last 3-4 years running. The frustration is beyond words.
How do you justify taking him at 6? He's there at 17. They literally did this so DG can stand up there like a prick and say in his phony boston accent "we had conviction, you don't get cute when you have your guy." They used the 6 pick in the draft so they don't have to answer a tough question to the media.
This is why the Giants are losers.
How many times in the past 2 weeks have we seen "Teams/scouts like Jones much more than media/analysts"? You have no clue if he would have been there. None.
And what question are they avoiding answering? That makes less sense than the idea you're asserting.
I don't know enough to grade a player but I thought
Josh Allen would be the pick but really didn't expect
him to fall to us .
I am going to reserve judgement on DG but it seems to me
that they could have waited Steelers jumped up to take Bush .
I wonder maybe the Broncos wanted Jones just spit balling .
He has a year to prepare barring injury ...
Who at #17 RT or edge rusher ????
Says he wants to come away with 2 starters tonight and passes up on a bunch of guys who could be day 1 starters on that defense including some real studs like Allen. Instead he drafts a guy who has no shot to get on the field this year and who many think has the talent of a career backup. I mean I’ll suck it up and cheer for the guy but that was truly a shit pick
But, that tells me they love the guy and think he's the goods.
Not what I'd have done, but it's not my job and Jones is a Giant now. I will pull for him and hope he's everything the FO thinks he'll be.
Some of the comments here are embarrassing. Get a grip, guys.
This stuff happens every year in almost every sport. Fans go absolutely wild over a draft pick of a guy they barely watched and throw a fucking fit over it.
We won't know if this was a good decision or not for about 3-4 years. It surprised me, and it's not the route I'd have gone... but I get it.
This offense needs to run through Barkley. We can do it with Jones.
The Giants definetly need some outside consultation to come in. Â
we are in year 2. We now have the QB drama behind us and can attack the rest of the roster. We don't have to use capital to trade up next year. This isn't going to be a well received pick right now but down the line it could work out well.
How do you justify taking him at 6? He's there at 17. They literally did this so DG can stand up there like a prick and say in his phony boston accent "we had conviction, you don't get cute when you have your guy."
That's my thing. I don't know if Jones will be good or not, I could see him being a good QB. But at 6? Especially with Allen there? No. Not even close.
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in the history of the franchise and pledges alligence to Eli and he's a genius. Now it appears the "we're all in on Eli" is the smokescreen it was and he needs to be fired.
God I hope he's right on Jones. He has balls, if Jones fails, he's done.
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But it was not good use of value. You could get similar guys at #17. At six we could have gotten and impact rusher. That’s where we did a bad job tonight.
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But, that tells me they love the guy and think he's the goods.
Not what I'd have done, but it's not my job and Jones is a Giant now. I will pull for him and hope he's everything the FO thinks he'll be.
Some of the comments here are embarrassing. Get a grip, guys.
This stuff happens every year in almost every sport. Fans go absolutely wild over a draft pick of a guy they barely watched and throw a fucking fit over it.
We won't know if this was a good decision or not for about 3-4 years. It surprised me, and it's not the route I'd have gone... but I get it.
This offense needs to run through Barkley. We can do it with Jones.
Thanks for this rational post. It's just a bit annoying have all my Jets, Phins, etc fans friends laughing their asses off. I hope Jones is more Peyton as Gil Brandt said and proves all of us wrong. I just wish they went Allen and then traded up for Jones if they wanted him that badly.
Says he wants to come away with 2 starters tonight and passes up on a bunch of guys who could be day 1 starters on that defense including some real studs like Allen. Instead he drafts a guy who has no shot to get on the field this year and who many think has the talent of a career backup. I mean I’ll suck it up and cheer for the guy but that was truly a shit pick
General managers lie.
What do you expect? Him to outright tell us who he wants to pick?
we are in year 2. We now have the QB drama behind us and can attack the rest of the roster. We don't have to use capital to trade up next year. This isn't going to be a well received pick right now but down the line it could work out well.
Unless Jones is the real deal the QB drama hasn’t even begun yet. If he is shit we are going to be in qb hell for a long time. Hoping for the best but not thrilled with Jones
By this organization... you dont reach for a qb but u select jones at 6. You have to be kidding me. With josh allen there who is a perfect fit in the 3-4 absolutely ridiculous
Eli to replace Eli. Smooth transition. The guy is very smart. poised and cultured. Can throw the ball. Fits our offense, not Jerry Reese's. Meanwhile, didya see Allen with the kid? He's a college kid himself. Culture change, long overdue.
This was Shurmer's pick. PS has to win this year or next.
If Eli surprises, then great and if not then they go with Jones next year.
Let's give this kid a chance fellas.
no one asked him anything. He’s a career loser as a HC. He’ll take what he gets and like it. This was Dave and Jawn with the deciding factor being, incredibly, the identity of the kid’s college coach.
At this organization... you dont reach for a qb but u select jones at 6. You have to be kidding me. With josh allen there who is a perfect fit in the 3-4 absolutely ridiculous
*Allen has been labeled an automatic top 5 player in this draft. I do have a 1st round grade on him but I don’t think he is close to the elite level. I love the frame and I do think he has the potential to put on even more weight, but I borderline think it is mandatory for him to add the power to his game. He lost too many one on one battles where he didn’t get the initial position advantage and that rubs me the wrong way. However I love how he can fill multiple roles and I think he plays the game the right way. He will be dependably and consistently solid, but that is where it ends for me
How do you give up on Odell and get this?? How do you pass up on Josh Allen?? Or even Ed Oliver?? This guy better be the real deal or this Franchise will be in a world of shit.. This defense has way to many holes! No pass rush what so ever, and you pass on Allen?? It almost feels like the Giants Org fall for the Rumors and go by what players do in Senior Bowl games??! Smh..
we are in year 2. We now have the QB drama behind us and can attack the rest of the roster. We don't have to use capital to trade up next year. This isn't going to be a well received pick right now but down the line it could work out well.
Unless Jones is the real deal the QB drama hasn’t even begun yet. If he is shit we are going to be in qb hell for a long time. Hoping for the best but not thrilled with Jones
I mean the constant questions about what we are doing at QB. Any QB can bust, so your concerns apply to just about any prospect we would have taken. The succession plan is officially over and done with. It working it is another story for another season.
Eli to replace Eli. Smooth transition. The guy is very smart. poised and cultured. Can throw the ball. Fits our offense, not Jerry Reese's. Meanwhile, didya see Allen with the kid? He's a college kid himself. Culture change, long overdue.
Fuck the Maras, Fuck Tisch, and Fuck Eli’s feelings ruining this team for the next decade
What’s next? A big WR @ 17 to help Eli pad his garbage time stats?
Fuck you Gettleman. This team is so blatantly mismanaged, starting from the top, it’s not even funny.
Best part: Reach on Jones means sucking this year and no QB next year - when they should go QB.
Fucking disgrace. Never been ashamed to be a fan before. Laughing stock of the NFL - and they deserve it.
So disgusted right now. Absolute reach on mediocre prospect because Eli likes him rather than going Josh Allen. Unreal. So glad we landed the senior bel MVP again ... this team is so pathetically predictable
Again -- but imo Jones is the best QB prospect this year and better than any prospect last year -- he's a fighter -- and I think he's more accurate than what is being written about him
How many 2nd, 3rd, 5th or even UDFA defenders will we be talking about. How many DLs were picked ahead of Strahan. Comparing Allen to Jordon is preposterous. Do you think Allen is going to transform the NFL. There were two other DEs taken ahead of him. Perhaps he will be great. But to act as if it is a certainty isn't realistic. And injuries play such a big role.
We will see what happens... Cool under pressure is perhaps the most important attribute for a new QB. Time will tell.
*Allen has been labeled an automatic top 5 player in this draft. I do have a 1st round grade on him but I don’t think he is close to the elite level. I love the frame and I do think he has the potential to put on even more weight, but I borderline think it is mandatory for him to add the power to his game. He lost too many one on one battles where he didn’t get the initial position advantage and that rubs me the wrong way. However I love how he can fill multiple roles and I think he plays the game the right way. He will be dependably and consistently solid, but that is where it ends for me
Here's how I see it. Jones plays for Cutcliffe for 3 years, he attends Manning camps, there has to be a tremendous amount of trust in Eli and David Cutcliffe to make this pick here. I don't on the surface like it, but I didn't like Eli over Big Ben or Rivers along w/ the traded assets and maybe we win more with either one and the extra picks but we have two rings with Eli. Jones played with awful talent, no OL and his WRs dropped tons of passes and he still led a bad Duke team to a winning record. I question his arm, I really do, it's not something I like in a QB when he can't rip it. I'm going to wait, watch and see what happens and hope we're right. I don't think he was the right pick, I really don't but I'm getting on board, because we root for this forking team and I'm sick of hating everything they do.
This is exactly the way I’m trying to approach this pic, Joey. Let’s hope he comes through and is a true franchise quarterback.
If they like Jones that much, he better be starting by Game 5. Â
Jones is not someone whom you have conviction on at freaking 6. He's someone you like and take at 17 if he is still available. If Washington likes him that much, that'd give me pause.
We can exercise patience and learn to root for the kid, maybe by training camp, but certainly not now. This is a bad pick!!
How can anyone still defend this choice this high? It's like Knicks fans defending the Ntlikina pick. It's been two years and he still sucks. Just because they are pro's doesn't mean they know what they are doing.
Some people should take a deep breath. The Giants organization historically does not let the fans influence their decisions. They had a conviction on the QB it seems.
They now committ to Daniel Jones and have their QB to team with Barkley in his prime...Like it or not. Its going to be quite a ride for Jones. Another QB thats going to be facing tons of scrutiny from all different angles. I hope he has Eli's demeanor.
I mentally was prepared for Josh Allen, especially since jtgiants gave a guarantee that he would be the pick while plopping up his track record.
The look of shock at hearing Daniel, my goodness
Yeah, but that jtgiants guy transformed into full-on egotistical asshole today. Maybe his account was hacked and someone else was posting with his screen name.
Here's how I see it. Jones plays for Cutcliffe for 3 years, he attends Manning camps, there has to be a tremendous amount of trust in Eli and David Cutcliffe to make this pick here. I don't on the surface like it, but I didn't like Eli over Big Ben or Rivers along w/ the traded assets and maybe we win more with either one and the extra picks but we have two rings with Eli. Jones played with awful talent, no OL and his WRs dropped tons of passes and he still led a bad Duke team to a winning record. I question his arm, I really do, it's not something I like in a QB when he can't rip it. I'm going to wait, watch and see what happens and hope we're right. I don't think he was the right pick, I really don't but I'm getting on board, because we root for this forking team and I'm sick of hating everything they do.
This is exactly the way I’m trying to approach this pic, Joey. Let’s hope he comes through and is a true franchise quarterback.
But the way the draft is unfolding the Giants might have been able to take D. Jones at 17. That I could have lived with. But passing on a talent like Allen is just dumb.
can you pass on Josh Allen... I mean fine you want Daniel Jones ... I am glad you like him, but with Josh Allen there?
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
No look... as much as I could never take him over Josh Allen or Haskins... Jones isn't some chump. He is very accurate in the short to mid area. Majority of all throws are in that range. In fact look how many over 50 yard in the air throws are made per game in the NFL... The average is super low. He throws are perfect at times. Right on the spot not just accurate.
He was my fave QB for this draft, but to pass on Josh Allen at 6 when he was literally gift wrapped to us... I’m at a loss for words. Oh well, welcome Daniel Jones, show this fan base that you’re not Dave Brown 2.0
Go 5-11 with Eli and some Jones this year.
Realize Jones blows the cock in 2020 as we go 2-14.
Fire everybody.
Hire competent GM and HC
Draft Trevor Lawrence in 2021??
Would he have been there at 17? I’m thinking DG didn’t think so or at least didn’t want to,take that chance. Hopefully the defensive guy we get at 17 will be a very good pick to make us somewhat forget about not getting Allen.
that he had a feeling that it would be Daniel Jones at #6, I thought NFW. On the other hand when the so called asshat jtgiants said that "if Josh Allen was there at 6, the giants will sprint to the podium", I felt confident that would be the call. So much for you don't reach, you don't force a pick. I truly hope this pick works out, I fear we are in QB hell but don't know it yet.
Again -- but imo Jones is the best QB prospect this year and better than any prospect last year -- he's a fighter -- and I think he's more accurate than what is being written about him
I wanted Allen bad. I thought Jones At 17 but if we can come back at 17 with a Pass Rusher like Burns I will be happy. I feel bad for Jones. It’s not his fault we reached for him.
can you pass on Josh Allen... I mean fine you want Daniel Jones ... I am glad you like him, but with Josh Allen there?
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
No look... as much as I could never take him over Josh Allen or Haskins... Jones isn't some chump. He is very accurate in the short to mid area. Majority of all throws are in that range. In fact look how many over 50 yard in the air throws are made per game in the NFL... The average is super low. He throws are perfect at times. Right on the spot not just accurate.
He's under 29% in throws over 20 yards in the air. There are plenty of throws in the intermediate range that travel that far.
They can't let go of Eli despite the fact we'll never win anything again with him.
We drafted Kyle Lauletta who got placed into QB purgatory by the goofs who drafted him.
We just drafted a second-third project in Daniel Jones with THE #6 PICK in the draft!
And we clearly passed on getting the superior prospect Josh Rosen.
What an absolute catastrophe.
How dare you. You're not a GM. A GM made this pick, and he knows more than we do, because we are not GMs.
You all have no right to speak after blindly backing DSG because he is the GM. From BPA to all this damn nonsense, we picked the 4th best QB in this draft at 6. And please don't tell me football players liked him. Jones is garbage. And worse, Washington is going to land Haskins at 15 and shove him down our throats for 15 years.
Good to see JTGIants manning up after we passed on Allen and picked a QB. His information was spot on!
But, that tells me they love the guy and think he's the goods.
Not what I'd have done, but it's not my job and Jones is a Giant now. I will pull for him and hope he's everything the FO thinks he'll be.
Some of the comments here are embarrassing. Get a grip, guys.
This stuff happens every year in almost every sport. Fans go absolutely wild over a draft pick of a guy they barely watched and throw a fucking fit over it.
We won't know if this was a good decision or not for about 3-4 years. It surprised me, and it's not the route I'd have gone... but I get it.
This offense needs to run through Barkley. We can do it with Jones.
Thanks for this rational post. It's just a bit annoying have all my Jets, Phins, etc fans friends laughing their asses off. I hope Jones is more Peyton as Gil Brandt said and proves all of us wrong. I just wish they went Allen and then traded up for Jones if they wanted him that badly.
Ask those guys how much they really know about Jones or how much time they spent watching him. They'll either lie to you and say they've watched a lot of him or they'll be honest and say they really don't know anything other than the fact that mock drafts and pre-draft rankings make the pick look bad.
I've voiced my concerns about him plenty here. I liked Haskins more.
But, Jones can move around a bit. He's not a statue. And when he has an NFL offensive line in front of him, and a few guys who can actually catch a football + Saquon Barkley, I can see him elevating and becoming a good QB.
Ceiling is limited and that's what has always bugged me. I don't see the deep ball accuracy. I don't see zip on balls outside the hash marks. But Jones does a bunch of things well, and Shurmur is going to run a lot of RPO concepts with him. I think he's the type of QB that will fit what Shurmur wants like a glove.
He didn't have a single NFL prospect on his offense. Look at his tape, was throwing to smurfs. Kid is tough and has a very high football IQ. One of the commentators on NFL Network commented that David Cutcliffe coached the hell out of this kid for three years. He is way more NFL ready than any of the other QBs. The kid deserves a chance before getting killed by critics.
can you pass on Josh Allen... I mean fine you want Daniel Jones ... I am glad you like him, but with Josh Allen there?
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
No look... as much as I could never take him over Josh Allen or Haskins... Jones isn't some chump. He is very accurate in the short to mid area. Majority of all throws are in that range. In fact look how many over 50 yard in the air throws are made per game in the NFL... The average is super low. He throws are perfect at times. Right on the spot not just accurate.
He's under 29% in throws over 20 yards in the air. There are plenty of throws in the intermediate range that travel that far.
Show me where you got that stat... Also is that include catch drops?
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How do you justify taking him at 6? He's there at 17. They literally did this so DG can stand up there like a prick and say in his phony boston accent "we had conviction, you don't get cute when you have your guy." They used the 6 pick in the draft so they don't have to answer a tough question to the media.
This is why the Giants are losers.
And what question are they avoiding answering? That makes less sense than the idea you're asserting.
The "if you loved him so much you think he's the future of your franchise why didn't you take him at 6?"* question
* - in this timeline the Giants are competent and don't waste the 6th pick on someone they can get at 17
I have said it before on this board: If you're DG, and you think Jones is your QB, you go get him. DG has said that as GM, you have to get the HC right and you have to get the QB right. So clearly he's betting his job on this pick. If he has that conviction, he's right to act on it.
Look, Shurmur's a QB guru, he's the right guy to develop Jones. Eli can lead by example (though I'd be surprised if he's really a "mentor" -- too competitive to be on board for training his replacement). They're building a running game and a line to take the pressure off the young QB. They're trying to put him in a good situation. It could all work out.
I remember. First round. A QB few had heard of from a college nobody had heard of . He was booed at the draft and people hated the pick. Well let's say I'm surprised as anyone about Jones at 6. 17 I thought yes. And I liked Jones but thought the Giants would and should go defense. But for crying out loud guys. The over reaction here is crazy.
Just a statement .....Flowers, Apple, OBJ, Jones, all top 12 picks that will have been off the Team before their 5th year.......Here's an excerpt about Jones ...."There’s nothing reasonable to base this on. SB Nation football analytics expert Bill Connelly has identified a few key stats <https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/4/15/18304541/nfl-quarterbacks-draft-2019-projection-stats-kyler-murray-dwayne-haskins> that predict a QB’s NFL ceiling. Jones is egregiously bad in all of them. Of 22 quarterbacks featured in mock drafts this year, Jones ranks dead last in marginal efficiency and yards per attempt, 21st in adjusted net yards per attempt, and 20th in passer rating and success rate."
picked up Daniel Jones with the 17th pick and had Josh Allen?! Even if Daniel Jones was picked up by another Team, they could of gone with Haskins! Or if they wanted him that bad jump above the Redskins and take him?! lol
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Jones will be the next QB for Big Blue!
I really hope that he does well, I like that he's more mobile than Eli.
We'll see how this works out!
Welcome to the world of Big Blue, Daniel Jones!!!
Eli to replace Eli. Smooth transition. The guy is very smart. poised and cultured. Can throw the ball. Fits our offense, not Jerry Reese's. Meanwhile, didya see Allen with the kid? He's a college kid himself. Culture change, long overdue.
What the fuck does Allen having a kid have to do with anything? The Broncos drafted a guy last year and he brought his child out there as well.
how do you not draft Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson and then take Daniel Jones this year?
Just when I think you couldn't get any dumber you go and one up yourself. Quit pretending that you've actually seen Jones play once. You're a fucking loser who has nothing better to do than troll a Giants site.
how do you not draft Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson and then take Daniel Jones this year?
Just when I think you couldn't get any dumber you go and one up yourself. Quit pretending that you've actually seen Jones play once. You're a fucking loser who has nothing better to do than troll a Giants site.
I've seen him plenty. And he just doesn't strike me as an NFL QB. And it seems to be the consensus among...everyone.
You simply cannot draft someone this high with so many question marks, at a position where he's not going to play right away?!?! You can rationalize this pick all you want, but there are just as many negatives as positives!!
They spent the entire offseason saying Eli can still play, which I don't agree with, but then draft someone with these many question marks, this high, and to sit him for the first year? Talk about dysfunctional, holy shit.
how do you not draft Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson and then take Daniel Jones this year?
Just when I think you couldn't get any dumber you go and one up yourself. Quit pretending that you've actually seen Jones play once. You're a fucking loser who has nothing better to do than troll a Giants site.
I've seen him plenty. And he just doesn't strike me as an NFL QB. And it seems to be the consensus among...everyone.
This was a bad QB class.
No, it's not the consensus among "everyone"
I can't believe you're spending draft night on a Giants board.
No friends? No Jets board to post on?
Weird.
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Old man Gettleman needs to be fired immediately - unfortunately he now has 2+ years at least - Eli's 'thank you farewell' season next year + Jones' 1st year as a starter in 2020.
picked up Daniel Jones with the 17th pick and had Josh Allen?! Even if Daniel Jones was picked up by another Team, they could of gone with Haskins! Or if they wanted him that bad jump above the Redskins and take him?! lol
FFFFFUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK!!!!!! JFC. Josh Allen falls in the Giants freaking lap and they pick this noodle arm. He even looks like Dave Brown. Hell, if I knew they were going to do this I would have traded #17 for Rosen and used #6 on Allen.
What a fucking disastrous offseason. What's next, a TE at #17? Seriously, fuck Gettleman. I hope the Giants pull an Arizona and draft a QB #1 overall next year and ship Jones out for a bag of practice balls.
And I’m not saying I want the Giants to take him, but some of this Daniel Jones is the second coming of Dave Brown needs to stop. I’d easily take a chance on him in the latter half of round one. There is a lot to like.
- by all accounts he is a cerebral QB
- he might be the best pre snap read QB in the draft
- he has mobility but is not a scrambler
- good in the play action game
- has overcome adversity. Walked on to Duke
- played hurt this year
- probably had one of the worst supporting casts in college football
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I don't think Daniel Jones is a Day 1 guy. And I get why a lot of "stats guys" are down on him, but I think they're being a little too hard on him and are missing some important pieces of context.
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1) Last season, among all 64 Power-5 teams, Duke ranked 20th in passing grade, 7th-worst in receiving grade, and 2nd-worst in pass-blocking grade.
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2) Last season Jones' receivers dropped 36 of his passes, which ranked third-worst in the Power-5. No QB lost more yards in air on dropped passes last year (525, 100+ more than the next-closest QB.)
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3) Last season, among all Combine-invite QBs, Jones was pressured on 25.2% of his dropbacks (most), despite having the shortest time to throw on average (2.37s).
For perspective, Murray was pressured on only 13.2% of his dropbacks while averaging 3.06 seconds to throw.
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Jones had brutal pass blocking - no time to throw, heavy and intense pressure in spite of that. He had receivers who dropped a lot of passes and struggled to get separation. With those factors accounted for, I actually like him as a late Day 2 guy. (Behind Grier, ahead of Lock.)
is a high risk especially passing on some serious talent that cane help fill the many holes in this team! Defense wins Championships, Oline gets you there nowadays. Also if we run the offense through Barkley, then why take this much of a risk on a QB??
Eli to replace Eli. Smooth transition. The guy is very smart. poised and cultured. Can throw the ball. Fits our offense, not Jerry Reese's. Meanwhile, didya see Allen with the kid?
He's a college kid himself. Culture change, long overdue.
Eli could reliably throw a deep out.
hopefully, Jones can too. We're back to drafting character. Good.
On a QB early in the draft set a franchise back? Everyone who has been painting rosy pictures for DG and Mara and their rudderless off-season are going to have to shit extra rainbows with sprinkles to keep their always positive Giants Fan chins up.
After the moves the Giants (Mara) have made and not made this off-season, I never should have doubted Jones would be our guy at 6.
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he’s got a great rb and some better receivers than phil simms ever had, just give it a chance. I would rather have D but I nor most of you have ever seen Jones play. you can’t teach intelligence and leadership or arm strength and he does have those.
to pass on Barkley, so this year he takes what he thinks it a QB who is like Allen (mobile, can throw accurately on the run, and can run for yardage on his own). Jones doesn't have Allen's bulk, but he's just as athletic. Was it a wise pick given other needs and the QB class next year? Don't know. Not everything DG has done since he took the reins made sense to me. We'll see.
I made peace with this pick before it even happened Â
Although I was far from sure it would happen. If the giants love him that’s good enough for me. Say what you want about them but the giants do indeed draft about as well as any other team. They have had some dud drafts but they also hit. This one needs to be a hit.
Eli to replace Eli. Smooth transition. The guy is very smart. poised and cultured. Can throw the ball. Fits our offense, not Jerry Reese's. Meanwhile, didya see Allen with the kid? He's a college kid himself. Culture change, long overdue.
What the fuck does Allen having a kid have to do with anything? The Broncos drafted a guy last year and he brought his child out there as well.
You’re a fucking moron.
If we had drafted Allen, his kid could have played with Saquon’s kid.
And all of the "we could have got him @ 17" stuff needs to stop.
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
It's a lot harder for us. We can't just ditch our team when the going gets tough. We're LIFETIME Giants fans.
I'm sorry, who are you?
Oh wow! What a burn.
I'm a Yankee fan for life who's been on BBI for 20 years. And you?
Someone who has never noticed any of your posts before.
Glad you're tracking all of mine and keeping tabs on me, though.
Weird spot to take a shot at my fandom on a thread where I'm one of the only people saying we should let this play out before we lose our minds.
Glad you got it off your chest, though.
Anything else? Or can I go back to never noticing anything you post and not giving a shit about your existence?
I don't give a rat's ass whether you notice my posts or not. Being thought of as a valuable BBI poster isn't one of my goals. I just don't like being lectured on what I should or shouldn't think from a guy who switches teams when his starts losing. It's what you did. Own it!
I thought he might have been around later, but a lot of rumors that the Skins, Miami wanted him. Haskins fell all the way down to 15, with QB needy teams passing on him. Jones has a lot of talent and definitely elevated those around him.
for Best Player Available. If they were locked on Jones (which baffles my mind) then all the BPA talk is total bullshit because he was definitely NOT the BPA at 6. What a waste, IMV. At least 17 was a good pick.
I am hoping that I hear that this was the guy that Shurmur wanted. If I hear that he had the choice of Rosen or any of these QBs and he thought Daniel Jones would run it best I'm good. I think Daniel Jones is superior to Case Keenum in every way. If he's not our quarterback of the future we are in for some shit football. I'm going to be completely on board until Daniel Jones proves otherwise. Go Giants!
I thought he might have been around later, but a lot of rumors that the Skins, Miami wanted him. Haskins fell all the way down to 15, with QB needy teams passing on him. Jones has a lot of talent and definitely elevated those
around him.
if the Giants think this pick is a salve to the fanbase then yeesh. Link - ( New Window )
Media idiots were on more of a "They need a QB now!!!" bandwagon than the fans were. I think fans didn't want them to reach for a QB and would've preferred BPA even if that meant waiting another pick, round, or year for Eli's replacement. There's no way they can convince anyone that Jones was the BPA, which makes them look ridiculous. They essentially ignored the same principles that led them to pick Saquon Barkley last season.
The fact Jones was able to stand out on that Duke team says a lot.If he had played at Ohio State or Alabama,the media would have considered him a top 5 lock,and opinions would be a little different.
I am hoping that I hear that this was the guy that Shurmur wanted. If I hear that he had the choice of Rosen or any of these QBs and he thought Daniel Jones would run it best I'm good. I think Daniel Jones is superior to Case Keenum in every way. If he's not our quarterback of the future we are in for some shit football. I'm going to be completely on board until Daniel Jones proves otherwise. Go Giants!
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They forced a pick among a bunch of guys. This was not the year to be forced into taking a QB. They all stink. This was a QB desert.
Ready to set my season tickets on fire. This team will be a dumpster fire until the mid 2020s at the earliest. Fuck Dave Gettleman and this fucking scrub.
for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
Forget the KC model, it’s the LA Rams model that intrigues me with Barkley and now Jones in the fold. If he can reach the level of a guy like Jared Goff, this offense is going to be run through Barkley for the next handful of seasons at least.
Ready to set my season tickets on fire. This team will be a dumpster fire until the mid 2020s at the earliest. Fuck Dave Gettleman and this fucking scrub.
How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
Watched him more than I have speak to his arm strength? I’ve just come away thinking he didn’t have a NFL quality arm from what I’ve seen and would really struggle after Halloween in the meadowlands ? You just can consistently win in this league unless your qb can get the ball downfield.
Not looking for a disagreement just want an honest evaluation of his arm quality.
Ready to set my season tickets on fire. This team will be a dumpster fire until the mid 2020s at the earliest. Fuck Dave Gettleman and this fucking scrub.
How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
Watched six full games. This guys is the definition of a stiff. How much do you spend on the Giants each year?
Accuracy:Jones has very good accuracy in the short passing game. He has the ability to throw his target open, allowing them to gain extra yardage after the catch. Jones has good ball placement but his questionable arm strength impacts his intermediate accuracy. In the long range passing game, Jones is inconsistent but has shown he can deliver a nice bucket pass. I do have concerns about his deep accuracy but feel confident he can be an effective down the field passer. Jones is impressive when it comes to delivering an accurate ball on the move. His accuracy can be attributed to his commitment to setting his feet and body towards his target. From my evaluations, Jones is the most consistent and accurate passer in this quarterback class.
Arm strength:This is the area of most concern for Jones. While watching the film his throws had a tendency to float to the target. It was evident on the 10-12 yard outs and hitch patterns because defensive backs routinely were in a position to make a play on the football. The ball just appears to take a long time to get to the target with little zip. There were also several deep balls that were under thrown; he may struggle to hit speedy wide receivers on streak patterns. All these observations were in 2018 games but when I put on a 2017 game I noticed a lot more zip on his throws. This season he battled an collarbone injury that could have impacted the power he was able to generate. Overall, after looking at the tape I feel that Jones has an average arm but can make NFL throws.
Decision making: Jones possesses an excellent feel for the quarterback position. He has a lot of savvy in his game especially when executing screen plays. His ability to effectively decoy on screens allows for his target to pick up an extra couple yards. Jones was calm and collected as he made his pre snap reads and showed he could identify potential blitzes. I was pleased to see that Jones was comfortable going through his progressions. He routinely set and reset his feet while going across the field looking to his secondary targets. While a lot of quarterbacks tend to lock on to their primary target, Jones is able to influence the defense with his head and eyes.
Field vision:Jones does a good job diagnosing what the defense is trying to throw at him. He has the presence to identify pre snap alignments and potential blitzers. After the snap he is comfortable going across the field with his progressions. He doesn’t panic when his first read is covered and quickly looks to his secondary reads. The most important skill Jones possesses is the way he anticipates his throws. He gets the ball quickly out of his hands and before his target makes their break. He trusts that his wide receivers will run the correct route. His anticipation is going to be the key to his NFL success because of his limited arm strength. While he does a nice job reading the defense this is still an area he could improve. In the past, he has shown that he will make poor decisions and force a ball or two. Overall he does a nice job processing post snap information.
Mechanics: Duke’s offensive system allowed Jones to get comfortable taking snaps from under center. On his drop back, Jones takes solid balanced steps while keeping his head on a swivel. He holds the ball tight to his frame and above his breast plate which avoids wasted motions and results in a quick release. Jones does a great job setting his feet and body towards his target which allows him to deliver an accurate football. The one word that describes Jones is consistency as he regularly has sound technique.
Pocket awareness: Jones is calm and unflappable under pressure. He feels the rush and can move around the pocket while remaining focused down the field. Jones does a good job resetting his feet and body after he is forced to navigate the pocket. Defensive coordinators also need to be concerned with Jones’s ability to use his feet to pick up yardage. He has the athletic ability to escape the pocket and pick up big chunks.
Look, this is a high first round pick. 99% of the remarks out there should be glowing. It appeared only the Giants and maybe a handful of teams were high on Jones, with one of them being Washington and we know how good at scouting their owner is. All the positives about Jones are about his intangibles, barely any mention of his throwing the football....
Once again, this team proves to be clueless. After an entire off-season of proclaiming Eli can still play, they chose not to help the defense when a stud fell. Instead they spent a high pick on the position with the plans to sit him for the whole year. So 2019 will suck, after having wasted the #6 pick, and 2020 will suck because it will be Jones' first year. Maybe we are maximizing our chances of picking Trevor Lawrence?
lives in Maryland and has season tickets for the Skins. He just posted a video from their big to-do and when the Giants selected Jones, you could hear laughter amid the boisterous cheering in the place.
lives in Maryland and has season tickets for the Skins. He just posted a video from their big to-do and when the Giants selected Jones, you could hear laughter amid the boisterous cheering in the place.
Man, I hope DG got this right.
I’m sure they weren’t shaking in their boots in Dallas and Philadelphia either.
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Crazy Dave has done lots of dumb things before tonight and everyone still supported him. Now he picks a QB that may be a reach at 6 but still a guy projected to go in the first round and people act like they're ready to slit their wrists. Nobody knows how good Jones will be but we knew the guys he got rid of ranged from solid starters to stars so why now????
why some people are so bothered that fans are upset by this pick on a message board? The immediate reaction to drafted a player 6th overall who Ourlads draft guide pegged in the "2nd/3rd round", is not a good thing. If that's not a fair response, Eric should either shut the board down or we shouldn't read any scouting reports. 6th pick should be an absolute blue chipper, in my mind. You don't get to pick 6th often (hopefully). Watching footage of him, especially his highlights, you should be blown away. Highlight videos tend to make anyone look good. To come away and think, hm, alright, not sure what I'm looking at, isn't a good reaction to have, even if we aren't scouts. We're fans - that's what fans do. Lastly, there have been some great articles out there comparing stats/production in college and NFL production and frankly, QBs tend not to get better in the NFL. So he would have to buck all of these things and be a statistical anomaly, to be worth the 6th pick. Again, people that can't handle the negative reaction (some of which are obviously over the top), should probably remind themselves that this is a fan message board. Of course, I would love to eat crow, but when someone has to outperform several metrics to validate their selection, it's not a good thing and statistically speaking, unlikely. That's how statistical indicators and projections tend to work. His 6.2 AY/A being worse than every 1st round QB in the past 20 years other than Locker, Ramsey and Boller, is frankly mortifying. He's not the first QB to play with WRs that drop the ball.
No front office makes moves they don't believe in. None of them do. They all want to keep their jobs.
Just because they believe in the kid doesn't make it the right call. Pat Shurmur knows a lot more about football than I or anyone else here does, and he's very far under .500 for his career.
You can know a lot and still not get it right. The outrage at questioning decisions is bizarre for a team that hasn't won anything in a long time, and it being run by a guy who's never picked a QB before.
No front office makes moves they don't believe in. None of them do. They all want to keep their jobs.
Just because they believe in the kid doesn't make it the right call. Pat Shurmur knows a lot more about football than I or anyone else here does, and he's very far under .500 for his career.
You can know a lot and still not get it right. The outrage at questioning decisions is bizarre for a team that hasn't won anything in a long time, and it being run by a guy who's never picked a QB before.
Good points.
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for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
That Wake Forest game was the real eye opener. You can say what you want about him standing tall about Clemson. But you can't get steamrolled at home by a pitiful Wake Forest team and use, well my team stunk too, as an excuse.
Because this team still has no pass rush, linebackers, secondary, RT, or C... Jones will be of no service to this team this year. And there just isn't going to be much more help on the way. This team will struggle mightily.
I expect another top 10 pick next year. We have to know if Jones is working out. If we get him in there and we can see its not going to work, then we may want to use that top 10 pick next year on another QB. Unlikely, I know, but not unheard of either. Cards did it this year.
Man, I can't shake the feeling that there is a Daniel Jones every year, there aren't Josh Allens every year.
for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
That Wake Forest game was the real eye opener. You can say what you want about him standing tall about Clemson. But you can't get steamrolled at home by a pitiful Wake Forest team and use, well my team stunk too, as an excuse.
To be fair, Wake's team wasn't pitiful, overall they were pretty good but their defense sucked. But, anyone who played them knew that you had to keep their offense off the field and just wear down their bad defense. Yet Jones kept giving the ball back to them via bad decisions and poor throws. Just absolutely horrible mental and physical QB play in that game.
And speaking of Wake, their prior QB John Wolford had a better college career than Jones, was probably the best overall player in the AAF, and wasn't even drafted. I would take Wolford over Jones 10 times out of 10, yet we inexplicably took Jones with the #6 pick because he worked with Cutcliffe? Cutcliffe isn't the guy throwing the ball. I can't get over how bad this pick is.
Dave Brown didn’t fail because of arm strength. Neither did Kerry Collins even on his worst day.
Decision making. Footwork. Ability to see the field while the world is crumbling around him. Toughness. Good health. System around fit. Coaching and maybe even a little luck. And you need enough arm strength. Do some of you truly think the giants ignored jones’ pro days and workouts? Did they look the other way or blindly just say “donnnnnnt care about his terrible arm he’s Eli 2.0 we have to draft him no matter what.”
When was the last time a team drafted a qb super high and that qb failed because his arm was terrible? It’s basically never happened. Stop with this juvenile stupid shit.
Jones ain’t gonna fail because of a weak throwing arm. That’s the easiest fucking thing to scout! His arm is fine. It’s not Marino. It’s not even Eli Manning but it’s probably right around average. His other attributes are what endeared him to the giants.
Or you could just continue believing that the giants drafted a qb with such a bad throwing arm it’s going to sabatoge his career before it even begins. I find that belief to be laughable and stupid.
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Dave Brown didn’t fail because of arm strength. Neither did Kerry Collins even on his worst day.
Decision making. Footwork. Ability to see the field while the world is crumbling around him. Toughness. Good health. System around fit. Coaching and maybe even a little luck. And you need enough arm strength. Do some of you truly think the giants ignored jones’ pro days and workouts? Did they look the other way or blindly just say “donnnnnnt care about his terrible arm he’s Eli 2.0 we have to draft him no matter what.”
When was the last time a team drafted a qb super high and that qb failed because his arm was terrible? It’s basically never happened. Stop with this juvenile stupid shit.
Jones ain’t gonna fail because of a weak throwing arm. That’s the easiest fucking thing to scout! His arm is fine. It’s not Marino. It’s not even Eli Manning but it’s probably right around average. His other attributes are what endeared him to the giants.
Or you could just continue believing that the giants drafted a qb with such a bad throwing arm it’s going to sabatoge his career before it even begins. I find that belief to be laughable and stupid.
To be fair, there is a minimum viable arm strength...
My beef with Jones is his decision making is head scratching at times. He is up and down...
I just don't get why they couldn't have picked up Allen and traded up to get Jones, like they did to get Baker??!! That's what is so baffling about the Giants Organization!
Watched Duke a couple times last year.. not an expert at all but this highlight tape scares the ABSOLUTE SHIT OUT OF ME. Maybe it is nothing but there is maybe one play where he looks off a safety or doesn’t throw to his pre-snap read. Someone like Sy probably knows more than me but I can’t even come close to finding a sliver of hope in this pick. Hoping my fantasy teams are good the next coupe years, cause I don’t think the Giants will be good for a while now. Wasting 26’s prime.
We still do not have an offensive tackle or defensive end worth a shit. And you need those to be good, or even mediocre. Link - ( New Window )
I do hate the pick at #6 with Allen still on the board. And, Jones would likely still have been there at #17. If not, they could have dealt for Rosen. Allen and Rosen is better than Jones and a NT, even if a good NT.
1) This draft will boil down to Allen vs. Jones for me.
2) I don't buy the comments about making this pick to make Manning comfortable. WTF is that?
3) That said, this pick seems to put a lot of faith in Manning's input, one would think. I don't hate the player, just where they took him with Allen still on the board.
4) Over/under number of games before he is starting? Given the ;ast few years, I'm going with 6.
will get fired if Jones is a bust. They obviously had a strong conviction on him. Yet, because a bunch of “draft experts” on TV (who got nearly everything wrong) said he should have been picked at 17 and not 6 people are gonna endlessly freak out? I get not being happy or feeling disappointed they didn’t take whoever you wanted them to, but let’s see the guy play before going completely insane.
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
Daniel Jones will not win 10 games as an NFL QB. And I think they give him at least two seasons of starts. I am absolutely terrified for this organizations future.
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
I find a lot of your post exaggerated. But, the one point I have made repeatedly is that it seems we will be wasting the Barkley pick, as his prime years seem more likely to be behind him when this franchise gets it together. This draft, even with 3 decent picks, hasn't changed that. They still have a mediocre, at best and a stretch at that, OL, no other impact players on offense, and no impact players on defense.
Even if Jones turns out to be a decent QB, it will be a few years, most likely, before we are a good team. That places Barkley at or near the end of his contract and on the back end of most NFL RB careers.
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
I find a lot of your post exaggerated. But, the one point I have made repeatedly is that it seems we will be wasting the Barkley pick, as his prime years seem more likely to be behind him when this franchise gets it together. This draft, even with 3 decent picks, hasn't changed that. They still have a mediocre, at best and a stretch at that, OL, no other impact players on offense, and no impact players on defense.
Even if Jones turns out to be a decent QB, it will be a few years, most likely, before we are a good team. That places Barkley at or near the end of his contract and on the back end of most NFL RB careers.
And don't get me wrong. That is not a criticism of Barkley or the pick. I would take him again without even thinking about it. IT is a criticism of the front office and what they have done since taking him. They miscalculated several positions and the team in general and they may be doing so again this year.
But it did. Time to sit back and hope the madness to this works out. At least Jones acts the part w Interviews and didn’t start his career w goof gaffes on tv like so many others.
lectures us about how you can't reach for a pick, and then does just that. Are we really to believe that Jones was the highest rated player on their board?
This is the part the scares me. Just like his quotes about you don’t give up on talent (but you do) and his “didn’t sign beckhman to trade him”
Gettleman is a fruit loop That obviously can’t be trusted. But at least he will be fired quick if Beckham winds up a Star superbowl player and this jones pick ends up trash.
for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
Fair enough, but you would be in the minority. You and I both know that the vast majority of these guys are talking out their ass.
The Giants obviously had this kid scouted better than any other team based on the connections from Eli and add in that Jones was slinging it at the recent Manning camp with Barkley, Shepard and Nicks - so there is potential feedback and input that could be gathered from several players on Jones in real time - not tape.
The kid is tough, smart, an above average athlete that can run fast for a QB and has a quick release with very good touch.
Still hate the pick. Simply put, if Jones is who many here think he is, the regime won’t be around very long. I hope he gets about 25 games worth of evaluation before the end of 2020. If he sucks, maybe we’re in on the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes in the spring of 2021.
It's a given.
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He was the Senior Bowl MVP. GIANTS always draft the Senior Bowl MVP, we've done it the two previous drafts, why stop now.
It would be another mistake as well.
Paraphrasing Sam Elliot from Gettysburg- "I've led a Giants Fan's life, and I've never seen anything as brutally clear as this. It's as if I can actually see the Giants in one long, bloody moment, goin' up the long carpet to the stage. As if it were already done... already a memory. An odd... set... stony quality to it. As if the draft has already happened and there's nothin' you can do about it. The way you sometimes feel before an ill-considered draft pick, knowin' it'll fail, but you cannot stop it. You must even take part, and help it fail."
But my YouTube analysis indicates that Daniel Jones was overdrafted Â
This is the way I see it too. Giants can’t win here:
1. They take Jones at 6 & it is a massive reach.
2. If they take Jones at 17, well why didn’t you take him at 6 if you liked him so much?
3. If they don’t go QB, I can’t believe this team still hasn’t addressed QB.
Bottom line: the Giants think Daniel Jones is a franchise QB. Either they will be proven right & no one cares he went 6. Or they are wrong & a new regime is in place. No guts, no glory.
This is the way I see it too. Giants can’t win here:
1. They take Jones at 6 & it is a massive reach.
2. If they take Jones at 17, well why didn’t you take him at 6 if you liked him so much?
3. If they don’t go QB, I can’t believe this team still hasn’t addressed QB.
Bottom line: the Giants think Daniel Jones is a franchise QB. Either they will be proven right & no one cares he went 6. Or they are wrong & a new regime is in place. No guts, no glory.
We needed a QB last year, and Gettleman took a RB. I know that was last year, but Gettleman put us in this spot to begin with.
Jones is a massive reach at 6, based on any stats factor you want to look up. I'd argue taking him at 17 would be reach too, given his mediocrity but there isn't any doubt that Josh Allen would have been a better player at 6. The central fallacy to your straw man is that Gettleman is (most likely) wrong about Jones being a franchise QB. He doesn't get any credit for going after the guy he wants when that guy is the wrong one.
Jones was not a "massive reach" he was picked by pretty much everyone to be selected in the top 15 or so picks. If Giants liked him the best, and he plays QB, who cares if they take him earlier.
This is the way I see it too. Giants can’t win here:
1. They take Jones at 6 & it is a massive reach.
2. If they take Jones at 17, well why didn’t you take him at 6 if you liked him so much?
3. If they don’t go QB, I can’t believe this team still hasn’t addressed QB.
Bottom line: the Giants think Daniel Jones is a franchise QB. Either they will be proven right & no one cares he went 6. Or they are wrong & a new regime is in place. No guts, no glory.
Stop it. If they took Allen and then Jones nobody would have complained about not taking Jones at 6.
I also don’t get this notion that people who wanted to draft a QB over the last two years have to be enamored with the pick.
Jones was not a "massive reach" he was picked by pretty much everyone to be selected in the top 15 or so picks. If Giants liked him the best, and he plays QB, who cares if they take him earlier.
Jones was the fifth-ranked QB according to PFF. That is not a QB you pick at 6. In this draft, that puts him in round 2. Why did they rank him so low? The only recent QB prospect he ranks higher than is Josh Allen. PFF takes into account the terrible team around him.
This is the way I see it too. Giants can’t win here:
1. They take Jones at 6 & it is a massive reach.
2. If they take Jones at 17, well why didn’t you take him at 6 if you liked him so much?
3. If they don’t go QB, I can’t believe this team still hasn’t addressed QB.
Bottom line: the Giants think Daniel Jones is a franchise QB. Either they will be proven right & no one cares he went 6. Or they are wrong & a new regime is in place. No guts, no glory.
I think there is practically no chance if Jones dropped to 17 and he was the choice, your no. 2 scenario would evoke complaints.
That's basically what everyone who's complaining wanted.
When teams are desperate for a QB and panic, they overvalue and reach Â
It happens every year. Unfortunately we were the team to do so this year. My guess is this will all probably end badly, but let’s give the kid a chance.
No one serious on BBI has expressed any interest in taking a QB for the sake of it.
This is flat out false. There were a lot of people during the season last year saying it was time to chang the guard and it didnt matter who the QB was. I argued this all fall and winter.
If Allen was off the board, would you still hate this pick? For me, the answer is no. The X factor was that Allen dropped to #6. But, I don't hate Jones overall.
At least it's based on some statistical analysis. But feel to post your own analysis of his numbers and why he's worth the 6th pick. Or just point to his awesome games against Temple.
If Allen was off the board, would you still hate this pick? For me, the answer is no. The X factor was that Allen dropped to #6. But, I don't hate Jones overall.
Yes. If Allen was gone it should have been White, Oliver or Haskins.
If Allen was off the board, would you still hate this pick? For me, the answer is no. The X factor was that Allen dropped to #6. But, I don't hate Jones overall.
Yes. You choose another defender. That is the strength of this draft.
I just watched a 16 minute YouTube video and this kid is special. He can run, he can move laterally out of the pocket, he has touch, and he can take a hit while throwing under duress. I am now convinced he will be a BEAST. great job DG...I can now see why Gil Brandt loves him so much....called him another Peyton Manning!
RE: RE: Oh well if PFF said he was the 5th best QB Â
At least it's based on some statistical analysis. But feel to post your own analysis of his numbers and why he's worth the 6th pick. Or just point to his awesome games against Temple.
Its has been reported that the majority of the NFL teams had him as the 2nd best QB in the draft. Thats good enough for me.
If Allen was off the board, would you still hate this pick? For me, the answer is no. The X factor was that Allen dropped to #6. But, I don't hate Jones overall.
Yes. If Allen was gone it should have been White, Oliver or Haskins.
At least it's based on some statistical analysis. But feel to post your own analysis of his numbers and why he's worth the 6th pick. Or just point to his awesome games against Temple.
Its has been reported that the majority of the NFL teams had him as the 2nd best QB in the draft. Thats good enough for me.
It's been reported! A majority! That's some cosine over the hypotenuse analysis poindexter.
But here's Football Outsiders analysis, which takes into account the defenses QBs face and their teammates. They project him most likely to be a bust. Football Outsiders QBASE - ( New Window )
But here's Football Outsiders analysis, which takes into account the defenses QBs face and their teammates. They project him most likely to be a bust. Football Outsiders QBASE - ( New Window )
If Allen was off the board, would you still hate this pick? For me, the answer is no. The X factor was that Allen dropped to #6. But, I don't hate Jones overall.
Yes. If Allen was gone it should have been White, Oliver or Haskins.
White was gone.
Oliver or Wilkins then.
Right but if Allen was also gone someone in the top 5 would have had to be available
Then there are guys like Prescott, Lock, Winston where he was virtually the same.
No he doesnt have a cannon like Mahomes or Allen or som other QBs.... but my god, its not like he throws a lollipop. QB MPH from combines. - ( New Window )
Then there are guys like Prescott, Lock, Winston where he was virtually the same.
No he doesnt have a cannon like Mahomes or Allen or som other QBs.... but my god, its not like he throws a lollipop. QB MPH from combines. - ( New Window )
I'm sure they had it because if they didn't know this wasn't going to be the reaction then they really are fucking clueless. I think the right play here would have been Allen, Lawrence and Rosen. Instead we have Jones Lawrence Baker and less picks.
Jones 10 best throws in his life are not in the top 100 of Rosen's. That does not mean Daniel Jones will not be a good quarterback. I will be rooting like hell for him. On the positive side he is extremely NFL ready. If Eli falters this kid will be able to play immediately. He has some nice mobility. He has good size and he's smart.
I have never seen him do one single thing that made me say wow.
I have never seen him do one single thing that made me say wow.
This is the thing that drives me nuts. There are plenty of plays you can cherry pick that make me go 'WOW". Including his run against NC, and quite a few long touch passes in his highlight reel. I don't have any idea how good/bad of an NFL QB he will be, but neither does anyone else on this site and the fact that people keep parroting some version of this line of "He doesn't wow me at anything Blahty blahty blah" is just negative narrative that people are copy/pasting.
Jones does not have to be Peyton Manning. C'mon now. He has to be a really good NFL QB for Gettleman to get the last laugh. Peyton Manning? Gettleman would be executive of the decade if that came true
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
We will agree to disagree. The similarities are there
Jones with Duke final season finished 7-6 ACC
Nassib with Syracuse final season finished 8-5 Big East
That 2012 Syracuse team was not exactly a machine. Season highlight was beating #10 Louisville. 2018 Duke season highlight was beating #22 Northwestern. By saying Jones carried Duke last year, one could the same of Nassib in 2012 with the Orange.
I will agree that while stats are not the end all be all. They are important.
Anyway. Does not matter at this point. He will be taking up a roster spot until he either shits the bed or becomes the next one.
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 2nd best QB in a weak QB class Â
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
I watched 4 games last year. Including that shit show that was Wake Forest. He is not at the level of being a franchise QB or a #6 pick. Maybe one day, but right now it looks like another pick on the level of Ron Dayne.
No one serious on BBI has expressed any interest in taking a QB for the sake of it.
The majority of displeasure was the Giants not taking a QB last year, among what's roundly perceived as a much better group of QBs.
I'll argue that last year's class wasn't significantly better.
the 2018 class is so overrated its ridiculous.
loved Baker, Darnold's a turnover machine without an elite arm, Allen's got a ton of talent - accuracy a huge issue, and the almighty Josh Rosen is being shopped by the same team that took him and no one in the NFL is bothering to offer a high pick for him.
but, oh my god we got stuck with the best offensive prospect to come out in years - he just happens to have "RB" next to his name so it was a bad pick to some.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 2nd best QB in a weak QB class Â
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
bottom 5 worst pass protecting OL and among nation's leaders in dropped passes ... all Jones' fault.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 2nd best QB in a weak QB class Â
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
bottom 5 worst pass protecting OL and among nation's leaders in dropped passes ... all Jones' fault.
All the adjusted yards statistics that take this kind of thing into account still say he's garbage. And outside of Clemson, he was getting these mediocre stats against the likes of Army, Temple, and Northwestern. Color me unimpressed.
Wentz and Deshaun Watson were also QBs in a down year. He deserves a chance. His feet in the pocket give me hope. He moves through progressions pretty quickly. I’m starting to see what they project. The only question I have, is he ok with taking risks?
I have a feeling the next four players taken will be good to great players.
When you look back at past drafts, really only 25% of the top 10 picks work out. Just because pros are doing the picking, doesn’t mean they know what they are doing. It’s really an inexact science, but it’s frightening that they are going against the grain so much. The fact that Cincy, Washington, and Denver wanted him doesn’t validate picking him at 6th at all. Those are three organizations with atrocious recent history of picking QB’s.
I am glad so many are lauding this pick. Most have sided with management when it comes to recent moves, pound your chest all you want, we’ve been a lousy organization with the record to prove it.
I love how C. Simms implies Brandt's comments were motivated by the Giants' interests.
Fuck off.
I love the pick. But I loved the Dayne pick, so what the fuck do I know?
But I will enjoy the media eating copious amounts of crow if Jones pans out.
When the Giants HC search was under way Chris Simms predicted Greg Schiano would be hired as HC of the Giants. Schiano who order his players to cheap shot Eli while he was taking a knee to run out the clock. Greg Schiano who the Giants had not shown a single shred of interest in. That is the coach that Chris Simms predicted for the Giants.
in hindsight I probably shouldn't have been. But I thought we were going Allen, had me speechless for a good five minutes.
I'm still lukewarm on it, just don't think it was a good value play. But Jones is taking some unfair criticism from people who have likely never seen him play and are latching onto a few sound bytes.
The more I've dug, I have found some things that excite me. I mentioned in another thread, but I really like the mobility and just enough ability to create with his legs. He's not flashy but he can make some plays if necessary. He's a solid athlete
I like that he seems to be a tough kid who carried a below average roster to 8 wins in the ACC. His numbers would look much better with better skill position guys. Reminds me of when Accorsi watched Eli drag a crappy Ole Miss roster to wins. Toughness, leadership ability, checks all the boxes on the intangibles.
And he seems to have good accuracy in the short to intermediate range. You can go a long way in this league with those traits.
My concerns center around a lack of natural arm talent. That can be schemed around a bit but it is still notable. And just some concerns that we went for the safe, familiar play here going with the guy with connections to someone the Giants feel comfortable with. Going for intangibles over pure talent also makes me nervous.
Sometimes I don't know if Gettelman is just fucking with us but him saying he saw 3 series at the senior bowl and knew he was the guy is just downright frightening. And as I said above, there just seemed to be better value available at 6. But if this guy turns into a 10 year reliable starter than it was a steal.
Going to stay optimistic and I'm willing to see what we've got here. There's a good bit to like about Jones if you can somehow factor out where he was picked. But I can't lie, my initial reaction was frustration.
Check out this video below for a nice breakdown of Jones Link - ( New Window )
- Tall
- White
- Polite young man
- Face of the franchise
- Haircut you can set your watch to
- Sort of looks like Eli Manning
- Has actually met Eli Manning
a fan of Jones at all. Was unimpressed by his play against both Clemson and Wake. Yet I'm fully aware that I know shit about what I'm looking at.
I watched Marvin Harrison's career at Cuse and never saw him as one of the best WR's of his time. Likewise, I kept expecting Eta-Tawa to contribute. Thought Jim Turner would be a very good WR in the NFL.
When it comes to QB's, I thought Rivers throwing motion would never work at the next level. Thought Chuck Long would be a great QB. Thought Brian Hoyer would be very good.
Don't even get me started on RB's I thought would be monsters.
a fan of Jones at all. Was unimpressed by his play against both Clemson and Wake. Yet I'm fully aware that I know shit about what I'm looking at.
I watched Marvin Harrison's career at Cuse and never saw him as one of the best WR's of his time. Likewise, I kept expecting Eta-Tawa to contribute. Thought Jim Turner would be a very good WR in the NFL.
When it comes to QB's, I thought Rivers throwing motion would never work at the next level. Thought Chuck Long would be a great QB. Thought Brian Hoyer would be very good.
Don't even get me started on RB's I thought would be monsters.
I'm hoping I'm wrong here.
I thought Matt Ryan, Deshaun Watson, Mitchell Trubisky, and Jared Goff were going to be busts. I also thought that Joey Harrington was the second coming of Favre. I am smart enough to admit that I often don't know shit about evaluating QB's.
Success or failure of the non-phenom leg talent QBs is largely based on a bunch of stuff we group as intangibles, once certain physical thresholds are met or exceeded.
While throwing the remote, stop and consider that the guy possesses enough of the physical talent traits to be as good as anyone not named Rogers and certainly has more to work with than a guy named Brady.
I do not love the pick. However, I believe that the Giants did not believe he would last until 17.
instance when stepping back feels better than when it happened in real time.
We know the Jets tried to trade down and failed, so they picked Williams. We know the Broncos traded down and the Steelers leapfrogged Cincy to get Bush.
I feel pretty confident that Jones would've gone to Denver and when he wasn't there, they traded. Cincy, Washington and Miami might have wanted him too.
I would have liked to trade down a couple of spots or just take Allen, but I really don't think Jones is there at 17.
The thing that still is the cloud is that the dude has to be able to be a franchise guy. If he isn't, we whiffed.
DG and PS had a conviction for Jones after the Senior Bowl and before the Combine, when the Kyler Murray story to Cardinals started to evolve, making
Rosen a possibility. They stuck with their conviction in the face of Rosen becoming available. It again tells me they never had a conviction for Rosen. They were never going to trade for him.
Jones has the makeup of what PS wants with his QB. PS is going to develop Jones further. I am intrigued of the prospects of this. Maybe they have something. We will see. Remember too, Jones will have an OLine, a premier running back and quality receivers to work with. This is a luxury Jones has never been afforded.
It's a nice compilation of Jones making NFL caliber throws. You will notice several big drops by his receivers. Link - ( New Window )
Thanks, good watch
I saw that video for the first time a month ago and it completely changed my opinion of Jones. I still wasn't sure if he has franchise QB upside but he definitely has skills.
Neither Cris Carter nor Joel Klatt impressed by Giants taking Jones. Klatt said that he thinks Giants overreached for each of their first round picks.
I've been watching a number of the daily Football shows over the past two months and I've always been impressed by Joel Klatt and he backs up what he has to say with stats. On Daniel Jones, he said that when he played against top opposition, he just didn't show anything, yardage, completion percentage were poor. I'm wondering if Gettleman is ignoring warning signs regarding the limitations of Jones's talent level and is "in love with" his character. It's great he can play under pressure, but can he actually make the passes against pro-level opponents?
Neither Cris Carter nor Joel Klatt impressed by Giants taking Jones. Klatt said that he thinks Giants overreached for each of their first round picks.
I've been watching a number of the daily Football shows over the past two months and I've always been impressed by Joel Klatt and he backs up what he has to say with stats. On Daniel Jones, he said that when he played against top opposition, he just didn't show anything, yardage, completion percentage were poor. I'm wondering if Gettleman is ignoring warning signs regarding the limitations of Jones's talent level and is "in love with" his character. It's great he can play under pressure, but can he actually make the passes against pro-level opponents?
How can you be competitive against top opposition, when your teammates are NFL caliber players? It takes 11 players to be successful. Case in point, the game against Clemson. The untalented Duke OLine could not handle the NFL Dline caliber of Clemson. Jones got killed. How can you judge that? Pretty dumb statement by Klatt.
I'm sure this has been said before, I was locked out of the site trying to change a password last night.
I remember listening to the 1979 draft, and when Pete Rozelle read the choice, the boos were overwhelmingly loud. Coach Ray with the Gunfighter Eyes was just coming on board, The Fumble was recent history, Joe Montana was available - this board was not in existence, but I can't imagine it would have been any better than last night.
Sometimes, the professionals know what they are doing.
Last QB we took from Duke...oh well...
This team needed help on D...
Oh well...lets see how this plays out even though I wanted Allen.
Fuck.
Pass on Rosen for this fucking guy...after passing on better guys last year...
Fuck.
Pass on Rosen for this fucking guy...after passing on better guys last year...
GTFO with this dogshit fucking pick. Fuck DG. Trash GM
And Sy did say that if DG had conviction in DJ he would take him at #6.
Just an awful, awful waste of a pick at 6.
One chance at redemption: trade up from 17 and get a stud defensive player.
The Giants have nobody on defense who scares anybody.
Nobody.
Come on. No fucking way.
Oh, BTW, Jone's completion percentage for passes 20 yards in the air? 28%. But that's all his receivers' fault, right?
If they think this a move to placate the fanbase, well that's almost more stupid than the pick.
It's almost worse if this is a reaction to the fans because a) that's just fucking weak
b) it'll be counterproductive
while I can take or leave draft 'guru's' evaluations, the eyes don't lie. This isn't a great QB, outside of some plus athleticism he's a mediocre talent who just happens to have been well coached (not that it stopped some absolutely mindblowingly bad decisions)
Your source said fan outrage might force the Giants pick a specific player or position? who the F is running this organization?
I don't care they took a QB, people get all bullshit on draft day and he could be the next Joe Montana, but fan outrage dictating draft picks is a trait of a horseshit organization. It's what the Redskins or Jets would do.
People don't understand how bad his team was at Duke, he was the sole reason they were competitive and finished 8-5.
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but he did say he thought fan outrage over Eli might force their hand. He was right on that aspect. I don't like the pick.
Your source said fan outrage might force the Giants pick a specific player or position? who the F is running this organization?
I don't care they took a QB, people get all bullshit on draft day and he could be the next Joe Montana, but fan outrage dictating draft picks is a trait of a horseshit organization. It's what the Redskins or Jets would do.
This, I am going to be pissed if Lock falls to 17 when Josh Allen fell right in the Giants lap and they passed. If Gettleman is wrong he just wasted several years of Barkleys career.
Are your buddies professional scouts? Then tell them to get fucked.
This pick is the opposite of a PR move. Hell, the biggest thing I respect about it is the willingness to do it in the face of an almost unified backlash from both "sides" of the debate.
Josh Allen is sitting right there.
I don't ever want to hear a fucking word he ever has to say again, nothing he says has any value. I never wanna hear his I-know-better-than-you talk ever again. Fuck him.
The Browns have passed the mantle of eternal suckitude to us.
Football Winter has come. Unbelievable. FUCK YOU GETTLEMAN
Sad.
Agreed. What a terrible, terrible pick.
DG should take Haskins at 17 -- then he can say "ya gotta have options"
Man, this team has done uninspiring work since SB 46.
Gettleman is full of shit, best player available my ass. No way is he better than Allen, then how do you pick Barkley last year.
Does anyone still trust this man?
They look like imbeciles. It flies in the face of the decision they made last season, which despite the media bullshit was defensible... draft the best player available. There is no way they can convince anyone that Daniel Jones was the best player available. They totally reached based on position.
This was literally the one thing I didn't want them to do.
Like always.
Oh, BTW, Jone's completion percentage for passes 20 yards in the air? 28%. But that's all his receivers' fault, right?
Holy hyperbole lol. Bowie and Jordan?
We all had guys we fell in love with but fr fucks sake, bunch of whiny cunts in this thread. Bide your time and hope for the best.
How could you tell?
Nothing against Jones, and I wish him well, but WTF? They could have had Josh Allen, and traded for Josh Rosen.
Unlikely this kid will be better than that.
Hope to hell Brian Burns is still there at 17.
I can't even begin to explain this. Josh Allen fell into your laps. Daniel Jones I guess will be a good backup one day perhaps.
And the Jags sprinted up to take him
so pick a player that outrages the fan base to outweigh the outrage over eli?
solid logic...from a terriblly run organization
Why? So we can be even more disappointed and pissed off?
Yup. Sweat? Wilkins?
Nice job DG for keeping a lid on things....
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
I can't even begin to explain this. Josh Allen fell into your laps. Daniel Jones I guess will be a good backup one day perhaps.
And the Jags sprinted up to take him
Fuck off like you've watched a single game Jones played. Why don't you go post on a Jets site instead of wasting your time here trying to convince us that the Jets are a well run organization.
I’ve watched him play plenty snaps. I’m not an expert but there’s nothing excellent about this guy. He’s average through and through. His ceiling is Alex Smith and that’s being kind
How do you justify taking him at 6? He's there at 17. They literally did this so DG can stand up there like a prick and say in his phony boston accent "we had conviction, you don't get cute when you have your guy." They used the 6 pick in the draft so they don't have to answer a tough question to the media.
This is why the Giants are losers.
Whatever you want to say about Gettleman, the guy has the courage of his convictions.
I have backed DG until this move and now he can kiss my ass
People don't understand how bad his team was at Duke, he was the sole reason they were competitive and finished 8-5.
Dude, it's Duke football. Duke teams are bad every year. Jones is trash
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
This. Manning Mafia at its best.
Spoiler alert: he doesn't.
+1
I think this will be seen as a reach but we won't completely regret it. Hopefully there's some upside here because I'm a little worried he's a game manager that you're happy to have on a first contract only type. 6 is rich for that but I respect that they took their guy at 6 and didn't mess around.
We tried to trade up to 8 for Allen but he went too quickly.
Looks like we're sitting tight now.
Just had our asshats fooled.
Definitely a reach doesn't really matter though. If he's right on this guy not going to care that it wasn't exactly a value pick.
If he's wrong however, well what a shitshow of a hire.
Nice job DG for keeping a lid on things....
Now that’s finding a silver lining
School: Duke | Year: Junior (RS)
Not a power thrower, Jones is more of a touch passer. He's very tough and a hard worker who wants to get better every day. Jones completed 60.5 percent of his passes in 2018, but was hampered by drops from his receivers. He's very athletic and can run. This well-coached player makes me think of Danny White, who was a quarterback for the Cowboys in the 1980s. Jones has size (6-5 1/8) and 4.7 speed. He's very savvy, and I think he will be a good NFL quarterback. There are lots of things to like about him.
Took too early. DG imitated George Young and just stayed in place, not risking anything.
FUCK DAVE GETTLEMAN, fuck the entire front office, there's no fucking plan. They just dismantled whatever little core this team had and used our #6 pick for a JAG when we could have had Josh Allen. BPA my ass.
Fuck you Gettleman
If Eli surprises, then great and if not then they go with Jones next year.
Let's give this kid a chance fellas.
Disagree... It should have been Allen. However, I think Haskins has character flaws... The Bengals just passed on DH. I hate the Jones pick, but ur off.
Honestly, QB at 6 felt like it was truly the only awful answer this year.
I really despise the decisions this organization has been making for the last 3-4 years running. The frustration is beyond words.
How do you justify taking him at 6? He's there at 17. They literally did this so DG can stand up there like a prick and say in his phony boston accent "we had conviction, you don't get cute when you have your guy." They used the 6 pick in the draft so they don't have to answer a tough question to the media.
This is why the Giants are losers.
How many times in the past 2 weeks have we seen "Teams/scouts like Jones much more than media/analysts"? You have no clue if he would have been there. None.
And what question are they avoiding answering? That makes less sense than the idea you're asserting.
The look of shock at hearing Daniel, my goodness
Josh Allen would be the pick but really didn't expect
him to fall to us .
I am going to reserve judgement on DG but it seems to me
that they could have waited Steelers jumped up to take Bush .
I wonder maybe the Broncos wanted Jones just spit balling .
He has a year to prepare barring injury ...
Who at #17 RT or edge rusher ????
But, that tells me they love the guy and think he's the goods.
Not what I'd have done, but it's not my job and Jones is a Giant now. I will pull for him and hope he's everything the FO thinks he'll be.
Some of the comments here are embarrassing. Get a grip, guys.
This stuff happens every year in almost every sport. Fans go absolutely wild over a draft pick of a guy they barely watched and throw a fucking fit over it.
We won't know if this was a good decision or not for about 3-4 years. It surprised me, and it's not the route I'd have gone... but I get it.
This offense needs to run through Barkley. We can do it with Jones.
How do you justify taking him at 6? He's there at 17. They literally did this so DG can stand up there like a prick and say in his phony boston accent "we had conviction, you don't get cute when you have your guy."
That's my thing. I don't know if Jones will be good or not, I could see him being a good QB. But at 6? Especially with Allen there? No. Not even close.
And then you pass on Lawrence because you have Jones and want to give him one more year.
That is some fucking criteria.
I had a feeling these dolts at Jints Central would do this, but I am still floored.
Last year we began the process of going into QB hell by passing on Darnold and Rosen. And now we are officials in the vortex of QB Hell...
Nobody ever said that about the QB.
This is 100% a Mara dictate. See how quickly Allen and Oliver and Bush went after that. Instantly.
God I hope he's right on Jones. He has balls, if Jones fails, he's done.
It is so sad that this is so true that I laughed out loud at this. *sigh*
I’ll hope for the best, but man am I disappointed. This organization is so stodgy and stuck in their unsuccsssful ways, it is infuriating.
Agreed.
I hope so
Reese's drips are gone.
How is this safe? This tells me DG is pushing his chips all in on a strategy not many agree with.
No idea if it will work but this was anything but, safe.
If Eli surprises, then great and if not then they go with Jones next year.
Let's give this kid a chance fellas.
That's not the point - it's about passing on a guy who would have given us half a chance to make a damn stop in the 4th quarter.
My ass.
But, that tells me they love the guy and think he's the goods.
Not what I'd have done, but it's not my job and Jones is a Giant now. I will pull for him and hope he's everything the FO thinks he'll be.
Some of the comments here are embarrassing. Get a grip, guys.
This stuff happens every year in almost every sport. Fans go absolutely wild over a draft pick of a guy they barely watched and throw a fucking fit over it.
We won't know if this was a good decision or not for about 3-4 years. It surprised me, and it's not the route I'd have gone... but I get it.
This offense needs to run through Barkley. We can do it with Jones.
Thanks for this rational post. It's just a bit annoying have all my Jets, Phins, etc fans friends laughing their asses off. I hope Jones is more Peyton as Gil Brandt said and proves all of us wrong. I just wish they went Allen and then traded up for Jones if they wanted him that badly.
He’ll, wed have three project quarterbacks. Someone would have to hit, right?
General managers lie.
What do you expect? Him to outright tell us who he wants to pick?
Unless Jones is the real deal the QB drama hasn’t even begun yet. If he is shit we are going to be in qb hell for a long time. Hoping for the best but not thrilled with Jones
so much for this so much for that
did you think the giants would tell who they were picking???
take a breathe....burns or weilkins is nice at 17
This is not a surprise.
The Giants must believe in Jones. We'll see if they are right.
You all don't know nearly as much as you think you do.
If Eli surprises, then great and if not then they go with Jones next year.
Let's give this kid a chance fellas.
Dave Brown has to sign off
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we are in year 2. We now have the QB drama behind us and can attack the rest of the roster. We don't have to use capital to trade up next year. This isn't going to be a well received pick right now but down the line it could work out well.
Unless Jones is the real deal the QB drama hasn’t even begun yet. If he is shit we are going to be in qb hell for a long time. Hoping for the best but not thrilled with Jones
I mean the constant questions about what we are doing at QB. Any QB can bust, so your concerns apply to just about any prospect we would have taken. The succession plan is officially over and done with. It working it is another story for another season.
Eli could reliably throw a deep out.
What’s next? A big WR @ 17 to help Eli pad his garbage time stats?
Fuck you Gettleman. This team is so blatantly mismanaged, starting from the top, it’s not even funny.
Best part: Reach on Jones means sucking this year and no QB next year - when they should go QB.
Fucking disgrace. Never been ashamed to be a fan before. Laughing stock of the NFL - and they deserve it.
So disgusted right now. Absolute reach on mediocre prospect because Eli likes him rather than going Josh Allen. Unreal. So glad we landed the senior bel MVP again ... this team is so pathetically predictable
Can we at least wait to see the kid play before you speak with such conviction of what a horrible pick it is.
Comical, but typical.
We will see what happens... Cool under pressure is perhaps the most important attribute for a new QB. Time will tell.
Do Sy on Jones now...start crying
This is exactly the way I’m trying to approach this pic, Joey. Let’s hope he comes through and is a true franchise quarterback.
We can exercise patience and learn to root for the kid, maybe by training camp, but certainly not now. This is a bad pick!!
How can anyone still defend this choice this high? It's like Knicks fans defending the Ntlikina pick. It's been two years and he still sucks. Just because they are pro's doesn't mean they know what they are doing.
They now committ to Daniel Jones and have their QB to team with Barkley in his prime...Like it or not. Its going to be quite a ride for Jones. Another QB thats going to be facing tons of scrutiny from all different angles. I hope he has Eli's demeanor.
He’s full of shit, that’s the problem.
Daniel Jones is the franchise. The sooner we get on board the better.
The look of shock at hearing Daniel, my goodness
Yeah, but that jtgiants guy transformed into full-on egotistical asshole today. Maybe his account was hacked and someone else was posting with his screen name.
This is exactly the way I’m trying to approach this pic, Joey. Let’s hope he comes through and is a true franchise quarterback.
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can you pass on Josh Allen... I mean fine you want Daniel Jones ... I am glad you like him, but with Josh Allen there?
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
No look... as much as I could never take him over Josh Allen or Haskins... Jones isn't some chump. He is very accurate in the short to mid area. Majority of all throws are in that range. In fact look how many over 50 yard in the air throws are made per game in the NFL... The average is super low. He throws are perfect at times. Right on the spot not just accurate.
+1
Except I wasn’t good with any of these QBs at 17. JFC
They can't let go of Eli despite the fact we'll never win anything again with him.
We drafted Kyle Lauletta who got placed into QB purgatory by the goofs who drafted him.
We just drafted a second-third project in Daniel Jones with THE #6 PICK in the draft!
And we clearly passed on getting the superior prospect Josh Rosen.
What an absolute catastrophe.
Realize Jones blows the cock in 2020 as we go 2-14.
Fire everybody.
Hire competent GM and HC
Draft Trevor Lawrence in 2021??
Forget everything you know, why the fu*k is a Jets fan on a Giants board?
Would he have been there at 17? I’m thinking DG didn’t think so or at least didn’t want to,take that chance. Hopefully the defensive guy we get at 17 will be a very good pick to make us somewhat forget about not getting Allen.
LOFL!
I wanted Allen bad. I thought Jones At 17 but if we can come back at 17 with a Pass Rusher like Burns I will be happy. I feel bad for Jones. It’s not his fault we reached for him.
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can you pass on Josh Allen... I mean fine you want Daniel Jones ... I am glad you like him, but with Josh Allen there?
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
No look... as much as I could never take him over Josh Allen or Haskins... Jones isn't some chump. He is very accurate in the short to mid area. Majority of all throws are in that range. In fact look how many over 50 yard in the air throws are made per game in the NFL... The average is super low. He throws are perfect at times. Right on the spot not just accurate.
He's under 29% in throws over 20 yards in the air. There are plenty of throws in the intermediate range that travel that far.
we have ZERO players on defense
and we gave an old terrible QB 23 million dollars this year
They can't let go of Eli despite the fact we'll never win anything again with him.
We drafted Kyle Lauletta who got placed into QB purgatory by the goofs who drafted him.
We just drafted a second-third project in Daniel Jones with THE #6 PICK in the draft!
And we clearly passed on getting the superior prospect Josh Rosen.
What an absolute catastrophe.
How dare you. You're not a GM. A GM made this pick, and he knows more than we do, because we are not GMs.
You all have no right to speak after blindly backing DSG because he is the GM. From BPA to all this damn nonsense, we picked the 4th best QB in this draft at 6. And please don't tell me football players liked him. Jones is garbage. And worse, Washington is going to land Haskins at 15 and shove him down our throats for 15 years.
Good to see JTGIants manning up after we passed on Allen and picked a QB. His information was spot on!
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Can't believe they passed on Allen for Jones.
But, that tells me they love the guy and think he's the goods.
Not what I'd have done, but it's not my job and Jones is a Giant now. I will pull for him and hope he's everything the FO thinks he'll be.
Some of the comments here are embarrassing. Get a grip, guys.
This stuff happens every year in almost every sport. Fans go absolutely wild over a draft pick of a guy they barely watched and throw a fucking fit over it.
We won't know if this was a good decision or not for about 3-4 years. It surprised me, and it's not the route I'd have gone... but I get it.
This offense needs to run through Barkley. We can do it with Jones.
Thanks for this rational post. It's just a bit annoying have all my Jets, Phins, etc fans friends laughing their asses off. I hope Jones is more Peyton as Gil Brandt said and proves all of us wrong. I just wish they went Allen and then traded up for Jones if they wanted him that badly.
Ask those guys how much they really know about Jones or how much time they spent watching him. They'll either lie to you and say they've watched a lot of him or they'll be honest and say they really don't know anything other than the fact that mock drafts and pre-draft rankings make the pick look bad.
I've voiced my concerns about him plenty here. I liked Haskins more.
But, Jones can move around a bit. He's not a statue. And when he has an NFL offensive line in front of him, and a few guys who can actually catch a football + Saquon Barkley, I can see him elevating and becoming a good QB.
Ceiling is limited and that's what has always bugged me. I don't see the deep ball accuracy. I don't see zip on balls outside the hash marks. But Jones does a bunch of things well, and Shurmur is going to run a lot of RPO concepts with him. I think he's the type of QB that will fit what Shurmur wants like a glove.
What is your basis for this comparison? Just would love to know.
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can you pass on Josh Allen... I mean fine you want Daniel Jones ... I am glad you like him, but with Josh Allen there?
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
No look... as much as I could never take him over Josh Allen or Haskins... Jones isn't some chump. He is very accurate in the short to mid area. Majority of all throws are in that range. In fact look how many over 50 yard in the air throws are made per game in the NFL... The average is super low. He throws are perfect at times. Right on the spot not just accurate.
He's under 29% in throws over 20 yards in the air. There are plenty of throws in the intermediate range that travel that far.
Show me where you got that stat... Also is that include catch drops?
We are the new Browns.
@UMBCAthletics
Hello Giants fans, we don’t have a football team so if you become a fan of us you don’t have to worry about soul crushing roster mismanagement
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the Giants love Jones, I don't get it but fine.
How do you justify taking him at 6? He's there at 17. They literally did this so DG can stand up there like a prick and say in his phony boston accent "we had conviction, you don't get cute when you have your guy." They used the 6 pick in the draft so they don't have to answer a tough question to the media.
This is why the Giants are losers.
And what question are they avoiding answering? That makes less sense than the idea you're asserting.
The "if you loved him so much you think he's the future of your franchise why didn't you take him at 6?"* question
* - in this timeline the Giants are competent and don't waste the 6th pick on someone they can get at 17
Taylor, Dillard,Ford are still there.
These are the posts that should be saved and archived when we are in the Super Bowl in four years.
Literally nothing like Dave Brown. Not even close.
But hey, they both went to Duke and got drafted by the same team!
I say Phil worked out pretty good for us and I learned my lesson that draft day, so I'm gonna give this guy my support and a fair shake.
I have said it before on this board: If you're DG, and you think Jones is your QB, you go get him. DG has said that as GM, you have to get the HC right and you have to get the QB right. So clearly he's betting his job on this pick. If he has that conviction, he's right to act on it.
Look, Shurmur's a QB guru, he's the right guy to develop Jones. Eli can lead by example (though I'd be surprised if he's really a "mentor" -- too competitive to be on board for training his replacement). They're building a running game and a line to take the pressure off the young QB. They're trying to put him in a good situation. It could all work out.
This thread: Man, if only there was a bong video.
I trust the Giant's staff for now.
Jackson blows.
Ha!
We picked a QB. Isn't tghat what you've bitched about for the past 365 days??
But not the guy you fucking like, so it sets us back a decade!!
Really looking forward to your daily shit takes now we picked a QB, but it isn't the "right" one.
Maybe Dexter Lawrence.
I say Phil worked out pretty good for us and I learned my lesson that draft day, so I'm gonna give this guy my support and a fair shake.
Except that Bill Walsh, who knew QBs as well as anyone, said he would have drafted Simms if the Giants didn't
I say Phil worked out pretty good for us and I learned my lesson that draft day, so I'm gonna give this guy my support and a fair shake.
It’s a different time. We know the players now. Duke plays on television every week, Morehead State did not.
You guys sold your souls to him. Now you're paying for it. We are fukadomed. Badly.
Maybe Dexter Lawrence.
so we don't plan on sacking the QB...the only way to disrupt and offense now?
I really hope that he does well, I like that he's more mobile than Eli.
We'll see how this works out!
Welcome to the world of Big Blue, Daniel Jones!!!
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
What the fuck does Allen having a kid have to do with anything? The Broncos drafted a guy last year and he brought his child out there as well.
You’re a fucking moron.
Anyway, let's wish this kid good.....there are some good qualities.
I am sure Bill2 will offer his expertise but I do believe Ps knows QB's
Just when I think you couldn't get any dumber you go and one up yourself. Quit pretending that you've actually seen Jones play once. You're a fucking loser who has nothing better to do than troll a Giants site.
It won't necessarily take a decade, but it sure seems like it will require a shitload of front office replacement.
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We're still going to get a good defensive player.
Maybe Dexter Lawrence.
so we don't plan on sacking the QB...the only way to disrupt and offense now?
You're right, we only have one draft pick left and can't get anyone else here after pick 17.
Lawrence is an excellent prospect.
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and wore #17
Literally nothing like Dave Brown. Not even close.
But hey, they both went to Duke and got drafted by the same team!
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
It's a lot harder for us. We can't just ditch our team when the going gets tough. We're LIFETIME Giants fans.
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how do you not draft Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson and then take Daniel Jones this year?
Just when I think you couldn't get any dumber you go and one up yourself. Quit pretending that you've actually seen Jones play once. You're a fucking loser who has nothing better to do than troll a Giants site.
I've seen him plenty. And he just doesn't strike me as an NFL QB. And it seems to be the consensus among...everyone.
This was a bad QB class.
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And all of the "we could have got him @ 17" stuff needs to stop.
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
It's a lot harder for us. We can't just ditch our team when the going gets tough. We're LIFETIME Giants fans.
I'm sorry, who are you?
You simply cannot draft someone this high with so many question marks, at a position where he's not going to play right away?!?! You can rationalize this pick all you want, but there are just as many negatives as positives!!
They spent the entire offseason saying Eli can still play, which I don't agree with, but then draft someone with these many question marks, this high, and to sit him for the first year? Talk about dysfunctional, holy shit.
This was my worse nightmare and it's playing out. NYG has become the laughing stock of the league, and appropriately so.
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And all of the "we could have got him @ 17" stuff needs to stop.
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
It's a lot harder for us. We can't just ditch our team when the going gets tough. We're LIFETIME Giants fans.
I'm sorry, who are you?
Jim... he is in Tampa... It is right in his handle.
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how do you not draft Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson and then take Daniel Jones this year?
Just when I think you couldn't get any dumber you go and one up yourself. Quit pretending that you've actually seen Jones play once. You're a fucking loser who has nothing better to do than troll a Giants site.
I've seen him plenty. And he just doesn't strike me as an NFL QB. And it seems to be the consensus among...everyone.
This was a bad QB class.
No, it's not the consensus among "everyone"
I can't believe you're spending draft night on a Giants board.
No friends? No Jets board to post on?
Weird.
Yes. Could have had him with #17. This blows.
What a fucking disastrous offseason. What's next, a TE at #17? Seriously, fuck Gettleman. I hope the Giants pull an Arizona and draft a QB #1 overall next year and ship Jones out for a bag of practice balls.
- by all accounts he is a cerebral QB
- he might be the best pre snap read QB in the draft
- he has mobility but is not a scrambler
- good in the play action game
- has overcome adversity. Walked on to Duke
- played hurt this year
- probably had one of the worst supporting casts in college football
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Scott Barrett
@ScottBarrettDFB
I don't think Daniel Jones is a Day 1 guy. And I get why a lot of "stats guys" are down on him, but I think they're being a little too hard on him and are missing some important pieces of context.
Scott Barrett
@ScottBarrettDFB
1) Last season, among all 64 Power-5 teams, Duke ranked 20th in passing grade, 7th-worst in receiving grade, and 2nd-worst in pass-blocking grade.
Scott Barrett
@ScottBarrettDFB
2) Last season Jones' receivers dropped 36 of his passes, which ranked third-worst in the Power-5. No QB lost more yards in air on dropped passes last year (525, 100+ more than the next-closest QB.)
Scott Barrett
@ScottBarrettDFB
3) Last season, among all Combine-invite QBs, Jones was pressured on 25.2% of his dropbacks (most), despite having the shortest time to throw on average (2.37s).
For perspective, Murray was pressured on only 13.2% of his dropbacks while averaging 3.06 seconds to throw.
Scott Barrett
@ScottBarrettDFB
Jones had brutal pass blocking - no time to throw, heavy and intense pressure in spite of that. He had receivers who dropped a lot of passes and struggled to get separation. With those factors accounted for, I actually like him as a late Day 2 guy. (Behind Grier, ahead of Lock.)
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And all of the "we could have got him @ 17" stuff needs to stop.
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
It's a lot harder for us. We can't just ditch our team when the going gets tough. We're LIFETIME Giants fans.
I'm sorry, who are you?
Oh wow! What a burn.
I'm a Yankee fan for life who's been on BBI for 20 years. And you?
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Eli to replace Eli. Smooth transition. The guy is very smart. poised and cultured. Can throw the ball. Fits our offense, not Jerry Reese's. Meanwhile, didya see Allen with the kid?
He's a college kid himself. Culture change, long overdue.
Eli could reliably throw a deep out.
hopefully, Jones can too. We're back to drafting character. Good.
After the moves the Giants (Mara) have made and not made this off-season, I never should have doubted Jones would be our guy at 6.
We will start getting lots of puff pieces about Jones having all pro potential very soon!
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not.
Nice job DG for keeping a lid on things....
Now that’s finding a silver lining
Yep. Everybody needs a wake up call every now and then...
I agree. No way does Jones last to 17.
@joelklatt
The @Giants could have waited until this pick to select Daniel Jones...100%
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And all of the "we could have got him @ 17" stuff needs to stop.
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
It's a lot harder for us. We can't just ditch our team when the going gets tough. We're LIFETIME Giants fans.
I'm sorry, who are you?
Oh wow! What a burn.
I'm a Yankee fan for life who's been on BBI for 20 years. And you?
Someone who has never noticed any of your posts before.
Glad you're tracking all of mine and keeping tabs on me, though.
Weird spot to take a shot at my fandom on a thread where I'm one of the only people saying we should let this play out before we lose our minds.
Glad you got it off your chest, though.
Anything else? Or can I go back to never noticing anything you post and not giving a shit about your existence?
Please be great, Mr. Jones.
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Eli to replace Eli. Smooth transition. The guy is very smart. poised and cultured. Can throw the ball. Fits our offense, not Jerry Reese's. Meanwhile, didya see Allen with the kid? He's a college kid himself. Culture change, long overdue.
What the fuck does Allen having a kid have to do with anything? The Broncos drafted a guy last year and he brought his child out there as well.
You’re a fucking moron.
If we had drafted Allen, his kid could have played with Saquon’s kid.
But hey, at least Jones didn’t come out with a kid in his arms like Allen did.
Very well played.
LOL, well done
LOL, well done
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And all of the "we could have got him @ 17" stuff needs to stop.
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
It's a lot harder for us. We can't just ditch our team when the going gets tough. We're LIFETIME Giants fans.
I'm sorry, who are you?
Oh wow! What a burn.
I'm a Yankee fan for life who's been on BBI for 20 years. And you?
Someone who has never noticed any of your posts before.
Glad you're tracking all of mine and keeping tabs on me, though.
Weird spot to take a shot at my fandom on a thread where I'm one of the only people saying we should let this play out before we lose our minds.
Glad you got it off your chest, though.
Anything else? Or can I go back to never noticing anything you post and not giving a shit about your existence?
I don't give a rat's ass whether you notice my posts or not. Being thought of as a valuable BBI poster isn't one of my goals. I just don't like being lectured on what I should or shouldn't think from a guy who switches teams when his starts losing. It's what you did. Own it!
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If he was #6 on our board than our board was a dart board. Our only hope is that somethings stupid lucks into good. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
Thank god it wasn’t Haskins at least
If he was #6 on our board than our board was a dart board. Our only hope is that somethings stupid lucks into good. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
So we just picked a guy we didn't really think was that good? Ok then.
This will need a couple years but will be Gettlemans legacy pick for sure.
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around him.
I am with you, he is their guy and I trust them
Media idiots were on more of a "They need a QB now!!!" bandwagon than the fans were. I think fans didn't want them to reach for a QB and would've preferred BPA even if that meant waiting another pick, round, or year for Eli's replacement. There's no way they can convince anyone that Jones was the BPA, which makes them look ridiculous. They essentially ignored the same principles that led them to pick Saquon Barkley last season.
If he was #6 on our board than our board was a dart board. Our only hope is that somethings stupid lucks into good. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
^This.
If not for the fact that nobody thought Jones was worth the 6th overall pick or more, they would have had him swiped too.
They forced a pick among a bunch of guys. This was not the year to be forced into taking a QB. They all stink. This was a QB desert.
Flowers starting at RT, Onenah at OG, Ogletree for tons of kinda money, I really think Gettleman needs some scrutiny.
Who said that?
Forget the KC model, it’s the LA Rams model that intrigues me with Barkley and now Jones in the fold. If he can reach the level of a guy like Jared Goff, this offense is going to be run through Barkley for the next handful of seasons at least.
Define 'stand out'. Being the third QB at best in a draft year for QBs that's acknowledged as mediocre?
How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
@joelklatt
The @Giants could have waited until this pick to select Daniel Jones...100%
I’m sorry, he could be right, but Klatt isn’t someone whose opinion I would care about, at all.
Not looking for a disagreement just want an honest evaluation of his arm quality.
Don't let that get in the way.....
Shurmur hasn't done dick to dictate the 6th pick of the draft.
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Ready to set my season tickets on fire. This team will be a dumpster fire until the mid 2020s at the earliest. Fuck Dave Gettleman and this fucking scrub.
How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
Watched six full games. This guys is the definition of a stiff. How much do you spend on the Giants each year?
Arm strength:This is the area of most concern for Jones. While watching the film his throws had a tendency to float to the target. It was evident on the 10-12 yard outs and hitch patterns because defensive backs routinely were in a position to make a play on the football. The ball just appears to take a long time to get to the target with little zip. There were also several deep balls that were under thrown; he may struggle to hit speedy wide receivers on streak patterns. All these observations were in 2018 games but when I put on a 2017 game I noticed a lot more zip on his throws. This season he battled an collarbone injury that could have impacted the power he was able to generate. Overall, after looking at the tape I feel that Jones has an average arm but can make NFL throws.
Decision making: Jones possesses an excellent feel for the quarterback position. He has a lot of savvy in his game especially when executing screen plays. His ability to effectively decoy on screens allows for his target to pick up an extra couple yards. Jones was calm and collected as he made his pre snap reads and showed he could identify potential blitzes. I was pleased to see that Jones was comfortable going through his progressions. He routinely set and reset his feet while going across the field looking to his secondary targets. While a lot of quarterbacks tend to lock on to their primary target, Jones is able to influence the defense with his head and eyes.
Field vision:Jones does a good job diagnosing what the defense is trying to throw at him. He has the presence to identify pre snap alignments and potential blitzers. After the snap he is comfortable going across the field with his progressions. He doesn’t panic when his first read is covered and quickly looks to his secondary reads. The most important skill Jones possesses is the way he anticipates his throws. He gets the ball quickly out of his hands and before his target makes their break. He trusts that his wide receivers will run the correct route. His anticipation is going to be the key to his NFL success because of his limited arm strength. While he does a nice job reading the defense this is still an area he could improve. In the past, he has shown that he will make poor decisions and force a ball or two. Overall he does a nice job processing post snap information.
Mechanics: Duke’s offensive system allowed Jones to get comfortable taking snaps from under center. On his drop back, Jones takes solid balanced steps while keeping his head on a swivel. He holds the ball tight to his frame and above his breast plate which avoids wasted motions and results in a quick release. Jones does a great job setting his feet and body towards his target which allows him to deliver an accurate football. The one word that describes Jones is consistency as he regularly has sound technique.
Pocket awareness: Jones is calm and unflappable under pressure. He feels the rush and can move around the pocket while remaining focused down the field. Jones does a good job resetting his feet and body after he is forced to navigate the pocket. Defensive coordinators also need to be concerned with Jones’s ability to use his feet to pick up yardage. He has the athletic ability to escape the pocket and pick up big chunks.
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Who has connects in the Agent industry said Cincy would have probably taken him at 11
Don't let that get in the way.....
We want to be picking from the Bengals' draft board? That seems well-advised.
How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
If I've watched a bunch of Duke games, I get to mock the pick, right? Just want to have the ground rules established.
Once again, this team proves to be clueless. After an entire off-season of proclaiming Eli can still play, they chose not to help the defense when a stud fell. Instead they spent a high pick on the position with the plans to sit him for the whole year. So 2019 will suck, after having wasted the #6 pick, and 2020 will suck because it will be Jones' first year. Maybe we are maximizing our chances of picking Trevor Lawrence?
That seems more like a coping mechanism than anything.
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we picked a QB just to pick a QB crowd. So stupid.
Who said that?
Many people in this thread... like even a few posts above that someone said it. so stupid
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
Conviction for the sake of it is pretty much a nothing burger. Zgiants has conviction every year the Mets are going to win the world series.
Man, I hope DG got this right.
Lol. If by yellow you mean a crossing guard's vest outside an elementary school, I agree.
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How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
If I've watched a bunch of Duke games, I get to mock the pick, right? Just want to have the ground rules established.
LOL
Man, I hope DG got this right.
I’m sure they weren’t shaking in their boots in Dallas and Philadelphia either.
That's like the kiss of death...lol
It’s been said in the media for weeks they liked Jones and he was there guy.
Because of the dead money, the Giants will almost certainly have the 2nd fewest dollars spent on their roster in the NFL in 2019.
There are talent deficiencies at every level.
It's very difficult to understand where the winning while the rebuild will come from.
Agreed ....... but the leaks might be in ownership, in which case we the fans are screwed because dumb doesn’t die it breeds.
It’s been said in the media for weeks they liked Jones and he was there guy.
Why?? Because it could be the narrative for a number of guys.
It would have fit Allen. Haskins. Wilkins. There's been speculation about so many different players.
But like clockwork, inevitably one of the dozen players is selected and the narrative is - "AHA! Still leaks!!".
Dense fuckers is absolutely appropriate.
This is not a surprise.
The Giants must believe in Jones. We'll see if they are right.
You all don't know nearly as much as you think you do.
Thank you somebody with some sense
Just because they believe in the kid doesn't make it the right call. Pat Shurmur knows a lot more about football than I or anyone else here does, and he's very far under .500 for his career.
You can know a lot and still not get it right. The outrage at questioning decisions is bizarre for a team that hasn't won anything in a long time, and it being run by a guy who's never picked a QB before.
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And all of the "we could have got him @ 17" stuff needs to stop.
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
It's a lot harder for us. We can't just ditch our team when the going gets tough. We're LIFETIME Giants fans.
I'm sorry, who are you?
Oh wow! What a burn.
I'm a Yankee fan for life who's been on BBI for 20 years. And you?
Someone who has never noticed any of your posts before.
Glad you're tracking all of mine and keeping tabs on me, though.
Weird spot to take a shot at my fandom on a thread where I'm one of the only people saying we should let this play out before we lose our minds.
Glad you got it off your chest, though.
Anything else? Or can I go back to never noticing anything you post and not giving a shit about your existence?
you are correct. if they had a conviction that this guy is a great QB, they had to make sure to get him. you don't wait around for 17.
Just because they believe in the kid doesn't make it the right call. Pat Shurmur knows a lot more about football than I or anyone else here does, and he's very far under .500 for his career.
You can know a lot and still not get it right. The outrage at questioning decisions is bizarre for a team that hasn't won anything in a long time, and it being run by a guy who's never picked a QB before.
Good points.
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That's like the kiss of death...lol
Ha, you may be right.....I remember he liked Flowers.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
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for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
That Wake Forest game was the real eye opener. You can say what you want about him standing tall about Clemson. But you can't get steamrolled at home by a pitiful Wake Forest team and use, well my team stunk too, as an excuse.
That said and out of the way...
Hopefully it works out.
Go DJ, YAY...
"He walked out there and I saw a professional QB after the three series that I saw. That's when I was in full bloom love."
Awesome stuff.
Yeah, Gettleman used the #6 pick on a guy based on three minutes of film.
Because this team still has no pass rush, linebackers, secondary, RT, or C... Jones will be of no service to this team this year. And there just isn't going to be much more help on the way. This team will struggle mightily.
I expect another top 10 pick next year. We have to know if Jones is working out. If we get him in there and we can see its not going to work, then we may want to use that top 10 pick next year on another QB. Unlikely, I know, but not unheard of either. Cards did it this year.
Man, I can't shake the feeling that there is a Daniel Jones every year, there aren't Josh Allens every year.
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for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
That Wake Forest game was the real eye opener. You can say what you want about him standing tall about Clemson. But you can't get steamrolled at home by a pitiful Wake Forest team and use, well my team stunk too, as an excuse.
To be fair, Wake's team wasn't pitiful, overall they were pretty good but their defense sucked. But, anyone who played them knew that you had to keep their offense off the field and just wear down their bad defense. Yet Jones kept giving the ball back to them via bad decisions and poor throws. Just absolutely horrible mental and physical QB play in that game.
And speaking of Wake, their prior QB John Wolford had a better college career than Jones, was probably the best overall player in the AAF, and wasn't even drafted. I would take Wolford over Jones 10 times out of 10, yet we inexplicably took Jones with the #6 pick because he worked with Cutcliffe? Cutcliffe isn't the guy throwing the ball. I can't get over how bad this pick is.
Awesome stuff.
Yeah, Gettleman used the #6 pick on a guy based on three minutes of film.
That quote came directly from Gettlemans mouth tonight.
To even mention the Senior bowl game is asinine.
When will people learn that ascribing gospel to media quotes is about the closest thing to garbage that exists?
Dave Brown didn’t fail because of arm strength. Neither did Kerry Collins even on his worst day.
Decision making. Footwork. Ability to see the field while the world is crumbling around him. Toughness. Good health. System around fit. Coaching and maybe even a little luck. And you need enough arm strength. Do some of you truly think the giants ignored jones’ pro days and workouts? Did they look the other way or blindly just say “donnnnnnt care about his terrible arm he’s Eli 2.0 we have to draft him no matter what.”
When was the last time a team drafted a qb super high and that qb failed because his arm was terrible? It’s basically never happened. Stop with this juvenile stupid shit.
Jones ain’t gonna fail because of a weak throwing arm. That’s the easiest fucking thing to scout! His arm is fine. It’s not Marino. It’s not even Eli Manning but it’s probably right around average. His other attributes are what endeared him to the giants.
Or you could just continue believing that the giants drafted a qb with such a bad throwing arm it’s going to sabatoge his career before it even begins. I find that belief to be laughable and stupid.
Dave Brown didn’t fail because of arm strength. Neither did Kerry Collins even on his worst day.
Decision making. Footwork. Ability to see the field while the world is crumbling around him. Toughness. Good health. System around fit. Coaching and maybe even a little luck. And you need enough arm strength. Do some of you truly think the giants ignored jones’ pro days and workouts? Did they look the other way or blindly just say “donnnnnnt care about his terrible arm he’s Eli 2.0 we have to draft him no matter what.”
When was the last time a team drafted a qb super high and that qb failed because his arm was terrible? It’s basically never happened. Stop with this juvenile stupid shit.
Jones ain’t gonna fail because of a weak throwing arm. That’s the easiest fucking thing to scout! His arm is fine. It’s not Marino. It’s not even Eli Manning but it’s probably right around average. His other attributes are what endeared him to the giants.
Or you could just continue believing that the giants drafted a qb with such a bad throwing arm it’s going to sabatoge his career before it even begins. I find that belief to be laughable and stupid.
To be fair, there is a minimum viable arm strength...
My beef with Jones is his decision making is head scratching at times. He is up and down...
Who needs an arm? We did this just to check boxes apparently.
Who needs an arm? We did this just to check boxes apparently.
These dudes are f’ing crazy
We still do not have an offensive tackle or defensive end worth a shit. And you need those to be good, or even mediocre.
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2) I don't buy the comments about making this pick to make Manning comfortable. WTF is that?
3) That said, this pick seems to put a lot of faith in Manning's input, one would think. I don't hate the player, just where they took him with Allen still on the board.
4) Over/under number of games before he is starting? Given the ;ast few years, I'm going with 6.
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
Even if Jones turns out to be a decent QB, it will be a few years, most likely, before we are a good team. That places Barkley at or near the end of his contract and on the back end of most NFL RB careers.
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“No guts no glory kid.”
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
I find a lot of your post exaggerated. But, the one point I have made repeatedly is that it seems we will be wasting the Barkley pick, as his prime years seem more likely to be behind him when this franchise gets it together. This draft, even with 3 decent picks, hasn't changed that. They still have a mediocre, at best and a stretch at that, OL, no other impact players on offense, and no impact players on defense.
Even if Jones turns out to be a decent QB, it will be a few years, most likely, before we are a good team. That places Barkley at or near the end of his contract and on the back end of most NFL RB careers.
I hope I am very wrong.
You can say he was wrong. You can say he was nuts. But you can't say it didn't take guts to make that call.
You can say he was wrong. You can say he was nuts. But you can't say it didn't take guts to make that call.
Which one of you nuts has got any guts?
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This is the part the scares me. Just like his quotes about you don’t give up on talent (but you do) and his “didn’t sign beckhman to trade him”
Gettleman is a fruit loop That obviously can’t be trusted. But at least he will be fired quick if Beckham winds up a Star superbowl player and this jones pick ends up trash.
FUCK YOU GETTLEMAN
FUCK YOU GETTLEMAN
Calm down.
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for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
Fair enough, but you would be in the minority. You and I both know that the vast majority of these guys are talking out their ass.
FUCK YOU GETTLEMAN
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The kid is tough, smart, an above average athlete that can run fast for a QB and has a quick release with very good touch.
A lot of pluses for Jones, I'm rooting for him.
I always give benefit of the doubt. At least he didn't play at Moorehead State, right?
Bingo.
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Do you guys even think he was worth taking in the first round at all?
clearly they thought someone else would snag him before 17.
I always give benefit of the doubt. At least he didn't play at Moorehead State, right?
lol
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He was the Senior Bowl MVP. GIANTS always draft the Senior Bowl MVP, we've done it the two previous drafts, why stop now.
It would be another mistake as well.
Paraphrasing Sam Elliot from Gettysburg- "I've led a Giants Fan's life, and I've never seen anything as brutally clear as this. It's as if I can actually see the Giants in one long, bloody moment, goin' up the long carpet to the stage. As if it were already done... already a memory. An odd... set... stony quality to it. As if the draft has already happened and there's nothin' you can do about it. The way you sometimes feel before an ill-considered draft pick, knowin' it'll fail, but you cannot stop it. You must even take part, and help it fail."
This is the way I see it too. Giants can’t win here:
1. They take Jones at 6 & it is a massive reach.
2. If they take Jones at 17, well why didn’t you take him at 6 if you liked him so much?
3. If they don’t go QB, I can’t believe this team still hasn’t addressed QB.
Bottom line: the Giants think Daniel Jones is a franchise QB. Either they will be proven right & no one cares he went 6. Or they are wrong & a new regime is in place. No guts, no glory.
Makes sense.
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You so desperately wanted a QB, well you got one.
This is the way I see it too. Giants can’t win here:
1. They take Jones at 6 & it is a massive reach.
2. If they take Jones at 17, well why didn’t you take him at 6 if you liked him so much?
3. If they don’t go QB, I can’t believe this team still hasn’t addressed QB.
Bottom line: the Giants think Daniel Jones is a franchise QB. Either they will be proven right & no one cares he went 6. Or they are wrong & a new regime is in place. No guts, no glory.
We needed a QB last year, and Gettleman took a RB. I know that was last year, but Gettleman put us in this spot to begin with.
Jones is a massive reach at 6, based on any stats factor you want to look up. I'd argue taking him at 17 would be reach too, given his mediocrity but there isn't any doubt that Josh Allen would have been a better player at 6. The central fallacy to your straw man is that Gettleman is (most likely) wrong about Jones being a franchise QB. He doesn't get any credit for going after the guy he wants when that guy is the wrong one.
Hehehe
This guy is turning the Giants into the damn Browns. Has no plan whatsoever
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You so desperately wanted a QB, well you got one.
This is the way I see it too. Giants can’t win here:
1. They take Jones at 6 & it is a massive reach.
2. If they take Jones at 17, well why didn’t you take him at 6 if you liked him so much?
3. If they don’t go QB, I can’t believe this team still hasn’t addressed QB.
Bottom line: the Giants think Daniel Jones is a franchise QB. Either they will be proven right & no one cares he went 6. Or they are wrong & a new regime is in place. No guts, no glory.
Stop it. If they took Allen and then Jones nobody would have complained about not taking Jones at 6.
I also don’t get this notion that people who wanted to draft a QB over the last two years have to be enamored with the pick.
This guy is turning the Giants into the damn Browns. Has no plan whatsoever
How the fuck do you know this? Seriously, just utter madness.
Jones was the fifth-ranked QB according to PFF. That is not a QB you pick at 6. In this draft, that puts him in round 2. Why did they rank him so low? The only recent QB prospect he ranks higher than is Josh Allen. PFF takes into account the terrible team around him.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-duke-qb-daniel-jones-is-a-third-round-prospect-likely-to-get-overdrafted
But I can't wait for more Gettleman press conferences where he praises his 'maturity.' I'm so glad Gettleman would lend him his car.
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You so desperately wanted a QB, well you got one.
This is the way I see it too. Giants can’t win here:
1. They take Jones at 6 & it is a massive reach.
2. If they take Jones at 17, well why didn’t you take him at 6 if you liked him so much?
3. If they don’t go QB, I can’t believe this team still hasn’t addressed QB.
Bottom line: the Giants think Daniel Jones is a franchise QB. Either they will be proven right & no one cares he went 6. Or they are wrong & a new regime is in place. No guts, no glory.
I think there is practically no chance if Jones dropped to 17 and he was the choice, your no. 2 scenario would evoke complaints.
That's basically what everyone who's complaining wanted.
The majority of displeasure was the Giants not taking a QB last year, among what's roundly perceived as a much better group of QBs.
The majority of displeasure was the Giants not taking a QB last year, among what's roundly perceived as a much better group of QBs.
This is flat out false. There were a lot of people during the season last year saying it was time to chang the guard and it didnt matter who the QB was. I argued this all fall and winter.
Hate the pick. Really wanted Allen, but this ^^^^^^^^^ is hilarious. Needed a good laugh on a rough morning.
At least it's based on some statistical analysis. But feel to post your own analysis of his numbers and why he's worth the 6th pick. Or just point to his awesome games against Temple.
Of course it does. It's a Gettleman quote! The majority of them are folksy and foolish.
He wasn't deploying an idiom when he said that. He was taking inventory.
Yes. If Allen was gone it should have been White, Oliver or Haskins.
Yes. You choose another defender. That is the strength of this draft.
At least it's based on some statistical analysis. But feel to post your own analysis of his numbers and why he's worth the 6th pick. Or just point to his awesome games against Temple.
Its has been reported that the majority of the NFL teams had him as the 2nd best QB in the draft. Thats good enough for me.
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If Allen was off the board, would you still hate this pick? For me, the answer is no. The X factor was that Allen dropped to #6. But, I don't hate Jones overall.
Yes. If Allen was gone it should have been White, Oliver or Haskins.
White was gone.
Oliver or Wilkins then.
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At least it's based on some statistical analysis. But feel to post your own analysis of his numbers and why he's worth the 6th pick. Or just point to his awesome games against Temple.
Its has been reported that the majority of the NFL teams had him as the 2nd best QB in the draft. Thats good enough for me.
It's been reported! A majority! That's some cosine over the hypotenuse analysis poindexter.
But here's Football Outsiders analysis, which takes into account the defenses QBs face and their teammates. They project him most likely to be a bust.
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It is what is though. I didnt want Jones at 6. But if they think he can play 12-15 years - then its not a bad pick. Who knows - maybe he gets better.
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It is what is though. I didnt want Jones at 6. But if they think he can play 12-15 years - then its not a bad pick. Who knows - maybe he gets better.
Once he gets a new bionic throwing arm.
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Oh god. Nevermind. Keep trucking.
Once he gets a new bionic throwing arm.
His MPH is as good if not better than many of his peers that play now in the NFL.
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If Allen was off the board, would you still hate this pick? For me, the answer is no. The X factor was that Allen dropped to #6. But, I don't hate Jones overall.
Yes. If Allen was gone it should have been White, Oliver or Haskins.
White was gone.
Oliver or Wilkins then.
Right but if Allen was also gone someone in the top 5 would have had to be available
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His MPH is as good if not better than many of his peers that play now in the NFL.
Can you provide a link to prove this please? I am HIGHLY skeptical of this claim.
Jackson
Watson
Haskins
Then there are guys like Prescott, Lock, Winston where he was virtually the same.
No he doesnt have a cannon like Mahomes or Allen or som other QBs.... but my god, its not like he throws a lollipop.
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Jackson
Watson
Haskins
Then there are guys like Prescott, Lock, Winston where he was virtually the same.
No he doesnt have a cannon like Mahomes or Allen or som other QBs.... but my god, its not like he throws a lollipop. QB MPH from combines. - ( New Window )
Good find. Ok. Thanks.
Jones 10 best throws in his life are not in the top 100 of Rosen's. That does not mean Daniel Jones will not be a good quarterback. I will be rooting like hell for him. On the positive side he is extremely NFL ready. If Eli falters this kid will be able to play immediately. He has some nice mobility. He has good size and he's smart.
I have never seen him do one single thing that made me say wow.
I have never seen him do one single thing that made me say wow.
This is the thing that drives me nuts. There are plenty of plays you can cherry pick that make me go 'WOW". Including his run against NC, and quite a few long touch passes in his highlight reel. I don't have any idea how good/bad of an NFL QB he will be, but neither does anyone else on this site and the fact that people keep parroting some version of this line of "He doesn't wow me at anything Blahty blahty blah" is just negative narrative that people are copy/pasting.
Had a nice ring to it.
Jones is going to have to be Peyton 2.0 to beat that, maybe, we cannot see the future.
Jerry Reese maybe drafted guys he liked as peers or friends, it seemed at times. Let's hope that Mara isn't trying to emulate that.
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
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Do you guys even think he was worth taking in the first round at all?
clearly they thought someone else would snag him before 17.
I always give benefit of the doubt. At least he didn't play at Moorehead State, right?
I know the Giants did... duh.
I was asking my fellow BBIers if he's first round talent. Don't watch college football AT ALL so I was curious as to what made him so "icky"?
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
We will agree to disagree. The similarities are there
Jones with Duke final season finished 7-6 ACC
Nassib with Syracuse final season finished 8-5 Big East
That 2012 Syracuse team was not exactly a machine. Season highlight was beating #10 Louisville. 2018 Duke season highlight was beating #22 Northwestern. By saying Jones carried Duke last year, one could the same of Nassib in 2012 with the Orange.
I will agree that while stats are not the end all be all. They are important.
Anyway. Does not matter at this point. He will be taking up a roster spot until he either shits the bed or becomes the next one.
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick!
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
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I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
I watched 4 games last year. Including that shit show that was Wake Forest. He is not at the level of being a franchise QB or a #6 pick. Maybe one day, but right now it looks like another pick on the level of Ron Dayne.
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Did it ever occur to you that Duke's success is more Cutcliffe than Jones? And that Jones's "success" is more Cutcliffe than Jones?
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No one serious on BBI has expressed any interest in taking a QB for the sake of it.
The majority of displeasure was the Giants not taking a QB last year, among what's roundly perceived as a much better group of QBs.
I'll argue that last year's class wasn't significantly better.
the 2018 class is so overrated its ridiculous.
loved Baker, Darnold's a turnover machine without an elite arm, Allen's got a ton of talent - accuracy a huge issue, and the almighty Josh Rosen is being shopped by the same team that took him and no one in the NFL is bothering to offer a high pick for him.
but, oh my god we got stuck with the best offensive prospect to come out in years - he just happens to have "RB" next to his name so it was a bad pick to some.
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
bottom 5 worst pass protecting OL and among nation's leaders in dropped passes ... all Jones' fault.
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
bottom 5 worst pass protecting OL and among nation's leaders in dropped passes ... all Jones' fault.
All the adjusted yards statistics that take this kind of thing into account still say he's garbage. And outside of Clemson, he was getting these mediocre stats against the likes of Army, Temple, and Northwestern. Color me unimpressed.
Wentz and Deshaun Watson were also QBs in a down year. He deserves a chance. His feet in the pocket give me hope. He moves through progressions pretty quickly. I’m starting to see what they project. The only question I have, is he ok with taking risks?
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More of the same!!
Fuck off.
I love the pick. But I loved the Dayne pick, so what the fuck do I know?
But I will enjoy the media eating copious amounts of crow if Jones pans out.
Not knocking the new QB, but value or opportunities wise we might have an empty suit up top.
But the market itself is a beast which you cannot ignore.
When you look back at past drafts, really only 25% of the top 10 picks work out. Just because pros are doing the picking, doesn’t mean they know what they are doing. It’s really an inexact science, but it’s frightening that they are going against the grain so much. The fact that Cincy, Washington, and Denver wanted him doesn’t validate picking him at 6th at all. Those are three organizations with atrocious recent history of picking QB’s.
I am glad so many are lauding this pick. Most have sided with management when it comes to recent moves, pound your chest all you want, we’ve been a lousy organization with the record to prove it.
Not knocking the new QB, but value or opportunities wise we might have an empty suit up top.
Devin White was not there he was taken 5th.
Fuck off.
I love the pick. But I loved the Dayne pick, so what the fuck do I know?
But I will enjoy the media eating copious amounts of crow if Jones pans out.
When the Giants HC search was under way Chris Simms predicted Greg Schiano would be hired as HC of the Giants. Schiano who order his players to cheap shot Eli while he was taking a knee to run out the clock. Greg Schiano who the Giants had not shown a single shred of interest in. That is the coach that Chris Simms predicted for the Giants.
I'm still lukewarm on it, just don't think it was a good value play. But Jones is taking some unfair criticism from people who have likely never seen him play and are latching onto a few sound bytes.
The more I've dug, I have found some things that excite me. I mentioned in another thread, but I really like the mobility and just enough ability to create with his legs. He's not flashy but he can make some plays if necessary. He's a solid athlete
I like that he seems to be a tough kid who carried a below average roster to 8 wins in the ACC. His numbers would look much better with better skill position guys. Reminds me of when Accorsi watched Eli drag a crappy Ole Miss roster to wins. Toughness, leadership ability, checks all the boxes on the intangibles.
And he seems to have good accuracy in the short to intermediate range. You can go a long way in this league with those traits.
My concerns center around a lack of natural arm talent. That can be schemed around a bit but it is still notable. And just some concerns that we went for the safe, familiar play here going with the guy with connections to someone the Giants feel comfortable with. Going for intangibles over pure talent also makes me nervous.
Sometimes I don't know if Gettelman is just fucking with us but him saying he saw 3 series at the senior bowl and knew he was the guy is just downright frightening. And as I said above, there just seemed to be better value available at 6. But if this guy turns into a 10 year reliable starter than it was a steal.
Going to stay optimistic and I'm willing to see what we've got here. There's a good bit to like about Jones if you can somehow factor out where he was picked. But I can't lie, my initial reaction was frustration.
Check out this video below for a nice breakdown of Jones
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- White
- Polite young man
- Face of the franchise
- Haircut you can set your watch to
- Sort of looks like Eli Manning
- Has actually met Eli Manning
How many times have we been told Eli is cooked? That the team can't move forward until we have a QB?
The incessant bitching about passing on Darnold, Rosen and Allen? The mindless complaints that not trading for Rosen is idiocy?
That sure the hell sounds like many posters wanted a QB - and seemingly overrated last year's class.
We pick a QB and the place explodes. BBI is nothing if it isn't consistent....
How many times have we been told Eli is cooked? That the team can't move forward until we have a QB?
The incessant bitching about passing on Darnold, Rosen and Allen? The mindless complaints that not trading for Rosen is idiocy?
That sure the hell sounds like many posters wanted a QB - and seemingly overrated last year's class.
We pick a QB and the place explodes. BBI is nothing if it isn't consistent....
I need a new car. I guess I'll go get the one my neighbor is selling that doesn't run, because its there and it is a car.
You're trying to argue that fans are fickle. I've seen plenty say they'd rather not take a QB at all this year given the options.
Inside the war room:
Barring Getts (job at stake) NOT one man....NOT one is facing Mara. (Who is in the corner).
Betch isn't in room. Shurm is looking elsewhere, all the other suits are looking the other way. Literally twisting to turn facing away from the boss.
Its huge if you look at body language.
Mara looks like a bewildered child who was made King. Looking around: "what's going on?" Eyes darting around.
You're trying to argue that fans are fickle. I've seen plenty say they'd rather not take a QB at all this year given the options.
I mean, on multiple "who do you want in the first round" pre-draft threads, my answer was "ABJ - anyone but Jones"
I watched Marvin Harrison's career at Cuse and never saw him as one of the best WR's of his time. Likewise, I kept expecting Eta-Tawa to contribute. Thought Jim Turner would be a very good WR in the NFL.
When it comes to QB's, I thought Rivers throwing motion would never work at the next level. Thought Chuck Long would be a great QB. Thought Brian Hoyer would be very good.
Don't even get me started on RB's I thought would be monsters.
I'm hoping I'm wrong here.
I watched Marvin Harrison's career at Cuse and never saw him as one of the best WR's of his time. Likewise, I kept expecting Eta-Tawa to contribute. Thought Jim Turner would be a very good WR in the NFL.
When it comes to QB's, I thought Rivers throwing motion would never work at the next level. Thought Chuck Long would be a great QB. Thought Brian Hoyer would be very good.
Don't even get me started on RB's I thought would be monsters.
I'm hoping I'm wrong here.
I thought Matt Ryan, Deshaun Watson, Mitchell Trubisky, and Jared Goff were going to be busts. I also thought that Joey Harrington was the second coming of Favre. I am smart enough to admit that I often don't know shit about evaluating QB's.
While throwing the remote, stop and consider that the guy possesses enough of the physical talent traits to be as good as anyone not named Rogers and certainly has more to work with than a guy named Brady.
I do not love the pick. However, I believe that the Giants did not believe he would last until 17.
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We know the Jets tried to trade down and failed, so they picked Williams. We know the Broncos traded down and the Steelers leapfrogged Cincy to get Bush.
I feel pretty confident that Jones would've gone to Denver and when he wasn't there, they traded. Cincy, Washington and Miami might have wanted him too.
I would have liked to trade down a couple of spots or just take Allen, but I really don't think Jones is there at 17.
The thing that still is the cloud is that the dude has to be able to be a franchise guy. If he isn't, we whiffed.
Inside the war room:
Barring Getts (job at stake) NOT one man....NOT one is facing Mara. (Who is in the corner).
Betch isn't in room. Shurm is looking elsewhere, all the other suits are looking the other way. Literally twisting to turn facing away from the boss.
Its huge if you look at body language.
Mara looks like a bewildered child who was made King. Looking around: "what's going on?" Eyes darting around.
Where can I see this
Rosen a possibility. They stuck with their conviction in the face of Rosen becoming available. It again tells me they never had a conviction for Rosen. They were never going to trade for him.
Jones has the makeup of what PS wants with his QB. PS is going to develop Jones further. I am intrigued of the prospects of this. Maybe they have something. We will see. Remember too, Jones will have an OLine, a premier running back and quality receivers to work with. This is a luxury Jones has never been afforded.
Thanks, good watch
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Thanks, good watch
I saw that video for the first time a month ago and it completely changed my opinion of Jones. I still wasn't sure if he has franchise QB upside but he definitely has skills.
I've been watching a number of the daily Football shows over the past two months and I've always been impressed by Joel Klatt and he backs up what he has to say with stats. On Daniel Jones, he said that when he played against top opposition, he just didn't show anything, yardage, completion percentage were poor. I'm wondering if Gettleman is ignoring warning signs regarding the limitations of Jones's talent level and is "in love with" his character. It's great he can play under pressure, but can he actually make the passes against pro-level opponents?
I've been watching a number of the daily Football shows over the past two months and I've always been impressed by Joel Klatt and he backs up what he has to say with stats. On Daniel Jones, he said that when he played against top opposition, he just didn't show anything, yardage, completion percentage were poor. I'm wondering if Gettleman is ignoring warning signs regarding the limitations of Jones's talent level and is "in love with" his character. It's great he can play under pressure, but can he actually make the passes against pro-level opponents?
How can you be competitive against top opposition, when your teammates are NFL caliber players? It takes 11 players to be successful. Case in point, the game against Clemson. The untalented Duke OLine could not handle the NFL Dline caliber of Clemson. Jones got killed. How can you judge that? Pretty dumb statement by Klatt.
I remember listening to the 1979 draft, and when Pete Rozelle read the choice, the boos were overwhelmingly loud. Coach Ray with the Gunfighter Eyes was just coming on board, The Fumble was recent history, Joe Montana was available - this board was not in existence, but I can't imagine it would have been any better than last night.
Sometimes, the professionals know what they are doing.