If Allen was off the board, would you still hate this pick? For me, the answer is no. The X factor was that Allen dropped to #6. But, I don't hate Jones overall.
Yes. If Allen was gone it should have been White, Oliver or Haskins.
White was gone.
Oliver or Wilkins then.
Right but if Allen was also gone someone in the top 5 would have had to be available
Then there are guys like Prescott, Lock, Winston where he was virtually the same.
No he doesnt have a cannon like Mahomes or Allen or som other QBs.... but my god, its not like he throws a lollipop. QB MPH from combines. - ( New Window )
Then there are guys like Prescott, Lock, Winston where he was virtually the same.
No he doesnt have a cannon like Mahomes or Allen or som other QBs.... but my god, its not like he throws a lollipop. QB MPH from combines. - ( New Window )
I'm sure they had it because if they didn't know this wasn't going to be the reaction then they really are fucking clueless. I think the right play here would have been Allen, Lawrence and Rosen. Instead we have Jones Lawrence Baker and less picks.
Jones 10 best throws in his life are not in the top 100 of Rosen's. That does not mean Daniel Jones will not be a good quarterback. I will be rooting like hell for him. On the positive side he is extremely NFL ready. If Eli falters this kid will be able to play immediately. He has some nice mobility. He has good size and he's smart.
I have never seen him do one single thing that made me say wow.
I have never seen him do one single thing that made me say wow.
This is the thing that drives me nuts. There are plenty of plays you can cherry pick that make me go 'WOW". Including his run against NC, and quite a few long touch passes in his highlight reel. I don't have any idea how good/bad of an NFL QB he will be, but neither does anyone else on this site and the fact that people keep parroting some version of this line of "He doesn't wow me at anything Blahty blahty blah" is just negative narrative that people are copy/pasting.
Jones does not have to be Peyton Manning. C'mon now. He has to be a really good NFL QB for Gettleman to get the last laugh. Peyton Manning? Gettleman would be executive of the decade if that came true
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
We will agree to disagree. The similarities are there
Jones with Duke final season finished 7-6 ACC
Nassib with Syracuse final season finished 8-5 Big East
That 2012 Syracuse team was not exactly a machine. Season highlight was beating #10 Louisville. 2018 Duke season highlight was beating #22 Northwestern. By saying Jones carried Duke last year, one could the same of Nassib in 2012 with the Orange.
I will agree that while stats are not the end all be all. They are important.
Anyway. Does not matter at this point. He will be taking up a roster spot until he either shits the bed or becomes the next one.
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
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Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
I watched 4 games last year. Including that shit show that was Wake Forest. He is not at the level of being a franchise QB or a #6 pick. Maybe one day, but right now it looks like another pick on the level of Ron Dayne.
No one serious on BBI has expressed any interest in taking a QB for the sake of it.
The majority of displeasure was the Giants not taking a QB last year, among what's roundly perceived as a much better group of QBs.
I'll argue that last year's class wasn't significantly better.
the 2018 class is so overrated its ridiculous.
loved Baker, Darnold's a turnover machine without an elite arm, Allen's got a ton of talent - accuracy a huge issue, and the almighty Josh Rosen is being shopped by the same team that took him and no one in the NFL is bothering to offer a high pick for him.
but, oh my god we got stuck with the best offensive prospect to come out in years - he just happens to have "RB" next to his name so it was a bad pick to some.
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Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
bottom 5 worst pass protecting OL and among nation's leaders in dropped passes ... all Jones' fault.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: 2nd best QB in a weak QB class Â
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
bottom 5 worst pass protecting OL and among nation's leaders in dropped passes ... all Jones' fault.
All the adjusted yards statistics that take this kind of thing into account still say he's garbage. And outside of Clemson, he was getting these mediocre stats against the likes of Army, Temple, and Northwestern. Color me unimpressed.
Wentz and Deshaun Watson were also QBs in a down year. He deserves a chance. His feet in the pocket give me hope. He moves through progressions pretty quickly. I’m starting to see what they project. The only question I have, is he ok with taking risks?
I have a feeling the next four players taken will be good to great players.
When you look back at past drafts, really only 25% of the top 10 picks work out. Just because pros are doing the picking, doesn’t mean they know what they are doing. It’s really an inexact science, but it’s frightening that they are going against the grain so much. The fact that Cincy, Washington, and Denver wanted him doesn’t validate picking him at 6th at all. Those are three organizations with atrocious recent history of picking QB’s.
I am glad so many are lauding this pick. Most have sided with management when it comes to recent moves, pound your chest all you want, we’ve been a lousy organization with the record to prove it.
I love how C. Simms implies Brandt's comments were motivated by the Giants' interests.
Fuck off.
I love the pick. But I loved the Dayne pick, so what the fuck do I know?
But I will enjoy the media eating copious amounts of crow if Jones pans out.
When the Giants HC search was under way Chris Simms predicted Greg Schiano would be hired as HC of the Giants. Schiano who order his players to cheap shot Eli while he was taking a knee to run out the clock. Greg Schiano who the Giants had not shown a single shred of interest in. That is the coach that Chris Simms predicted for the Giants.
in hindsight I probably shouldn't have been. But I thought we were going Allen, had me speechless for a good five minutes.
I'm still lukewarm on it, just don't think it was a good value play. But Jones is taking some unfair criticism from people who have likely never seen him play and are latching onto a few sound bytes.
The more I've dug, I have found some things that excite me. I mentioned in another thread, but I really like the mobility and just enough ability to create with his legs. He's not flashy but he can make some plays if necessary. He's a solid athlete
I like that he seems to be a tough kid who carried a below average roster to 8 wins in the ACC. His numbers would look much better with better skill position guys. Reminds me of when Accorsi watched Eli drag a crappy Ole Miss roster to wins. Toughness, leadership ability, checks all the boxes on the intangibles.
And he seems to have good accuracy in the short to intermediate range. You can go a long way in this league with those traits.
My concerns center around a lack of natural arm talent. That can be schemed around a bit but it is still notable. And just some concerns that we went for the safe, familiar play here going with the guy with connections to someone the Giants feel comfortable with. Going for intangibles over pure talent also makes me nervous.
Sometimes I don't know if Gettelman is just fucking with us but him saying he saw 3 series at the senior bowl and knew he was the guy is just downright frightening. And as I said above, there just seemed to be better value available at 6. But if this guy turns into a 10 year reliable starter than it was a steal.
Going to stay optimistic and I'm willing to see what we've got here. There's a good bit to like about Jones if you can somehow factor out where he was picked. But I can't lie, my initial reaction was frustration.
Check out this video below for a nice breakdown of Jones Link - ( New Window )
- Tall
- White
- Polite young man
- Face of the franchise
- Haircut you can set your watch to
- Sort of looks like Eli Manning
- Has actually met Eli Manning
a fan of Jones at all. Was unimpressed by his play against both Clemson and Wake. Yet I'm fully aware that I know shit about what I'm looking at.
I watched Marvin Harrison's career at Cuse and never saw him as one of the best WR's of his time. Likewise, I kept expecting Eta-Tawa to contribute. Thought Jim Turner would be a very good WR in the NFL.
When it comes to QB's, I thought Rivers throwing motion would never work at the next level. Thought Chuck Long would be a great QB. Thought Brian Hoyer would be very good.
Don't even get me started on RB's I thought would be monsters.
a fan of Jones at all. Was unimpressed by his play against both Clemson and Wake. Yet I'm fully aware that I know shit about what I'm looking at.
I watched Marvin Harrison's career at Cuse and never saw him as one of the best WR's of his time. Likewise, I kept expecting Eta-Tawa to contribute. Thought Jim Turner would be a very good WR in the NFL.
When it comes to QB's, I thought Rivers throwing motion would never work at the next level. Thought Chuck Long would be a great QB. Thought Brian Hoyer would be very good.
Don't even get me started on RB's I thought would be monsters.
I'm hoping I'm wrong here.
I thought Matt Ryan, Deshaun Watson, Mitchell Trubisky, and Jared Goff were going to be busts. I also thought that Joey Harrington was the second coming of Favre. I am smart enough to admit that I often don't know shit about evaluating QB's.
Success or failure of the non-phenom leg talent QBs is largely based on a bunch of stuff we group as intangibles, once certain physical thresholds are met or exceeded.
While throwing the remote, stop and consider that the guy possesses enough of the physical talent traits to be as good as anyone not named Rogers and certainly has more to work with than a guy named Brady.
I do not love the pick. However, I believe that the Giants did not believe he would last until 17.
instance when stepping back feels better than when it happened in real time.
We know the Jets tried to trade down and failed, so they picked Williams. We know the Broncos traded down and the Steelers leapfrogged Cincy to get Bush.
I feel pretty confident that Jones would've gone to Denver and when he wasn't there, they traded. Cincy, Washington and Miami might have wanted him too.
I would have liked to trade down a couple of spots or just take Allen, but I really don't think Jones is there at 17.
The thing that still is the cloud is that the dude has to be able to be a franchise guy. If he isn't, we whiffed.
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If Allen was off the board, would you still hate this pick? For me, the answer is no. The X factor was that Allen dropped to #6. But, I don't hate Jones overall.
Yes. If Allen was gone it should have been White, Oliver or Haskins.
White was gone.
Oliver or Wilkins then.
Right but if Allen was also gone someone in the top 5 would have had to be available
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Once he gets a new bionic throwing arm.
His MPH is as good if not better than many of his peers that play now in the NFL.
Can you provide a link to prove this please? I am HIGHLY skeptical of this claim.
Jackson
Watson
Haskins
Then there are guys like Prescott, Lock, Winston where he was virtually the same.
No he doesnt have a cannon like Mahomes or Allen or som other QBs.... but my god, its not like he throws a lollipop.
QB MPH from combines. - ( New Window )
Jackson
Watson
Haskins
Then there are guys like Prescott, Lock, Winston where he was virtually the same.
No he doesnt have a cannon like Mahomes or Allen or som other QBs.... but my god, its not like he throws a lollipop. QB MPH from combines. - ( New Window )
Good find. Ok. Thanks.
Jones 10 best throws in his life are not in the top 100 of Rosen's. That does not mean Daniel Jones will not be a good quarterback. I will be rooting like hell for him. On the positive side he is extremely NFL ready. If Eli falters this kid will be able to play immediately. He has some nice mobility. He has good size and he's smart.
I have never seen him do one single thing that made me say wow.
I have never seen him do one single thing that made me say wow.
This is the thing that drives me nuts. There are plenty of plays you can cherry pick that make me go 'WOW". Including his run against NC, and quite a few long touch passes in his highlight reel. I don't have any idea how good/bad of an NFL QB he will be, but neither does anyone else on this site and the fact that people keep parroting some version of this line of "He doesn't wow me at anything Blahty blahty blah" is just negative narrative that people are copy/pasting.
Had a nice ring to it.
Jones is going to have to be Peyton 2.0 to beat that, maybe, we cannot see the future.
Jerry Reese maybe drafted guys he liked as peers or friends, it seemed at times. Let's hope that Mara isn't trying to emulate that.
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
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Do you guys even think he was worth taking in the first round at all?
clearly they thought someone else would snag him before 17.
I always give benefit of the doubt. At least he didn't play at Moorehead State, right?
I know the Giants did... duh.
I was asking my fellow BBIers if he's first round talent. Don't watch college football AT ALL so I was curious as to what made him so "icky"?
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
We will agree to disagree. The similarities are there
Jones with Duke final season finished 7-6 ACC
Nassib with Syracuse final season finished 8-5 Big East
That 2012 Syracuse team was not exactly a machine. Season highlight was beating #10 Louisville. 2018 Duke season highlight was beating #22 Northwestern. By saying Jones carried Duke last year, one could the same of Nassib in 2012 with the Orange.
I will agree that while stats are not the end all be all. They are important.
Anyway. Does not matter at this point. He will be taking up a roster spot until he either shits the bed or becomes the next one.
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick!
ESPN draft - ( New Window )
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
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In comment 14409903 Greg from LI said:
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
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I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
I watched 4 games last year. Including that shit show that was Wake Forest. He is not at the level of being a franchise QB or a #6 pick. Maybe one day, but right now it looks like another pick on the level of Ron Dayne.
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Did it ever occur to you that Duke's success is more Cutcliffe than Jones? And that Jones's "success" is more Cutcliffe than Jones?
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No one serious on BBI has expressed any interest in taking a QB for the sake of it.
The majority of displeasure was the Giants not taking a QB last year, among what's roundly perceived as a much better group of QBs.
I'll argue that last year's class wasn't significantly better.
the 2018 class is so overrated its ridiculous.
loved Baker, Darnold's a turnover machine without an elite arm, Allen's got a ton of talent - accuracy a huge issue, and the almighty Josh Rosen is being shopped by the same team that took him and no one in the NFL is bothering to offer a high pick for him.
but, oh my god we got stuck with the best offensive prospect to come out in years - he just happens to have "RB" next to his name so it was a bad pick to some.
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In comment 14409903 Greg from LI said:
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
bottom 5 worst pass protecting OL and among nation's leaders in dropped passes ... all Jones' fault.
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In comment 14410881 mikeinbloomfield said:
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In comment 14410545 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14410530 Scott in Montreal said:
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In comment 14409903 Greg from LI said:
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Whoop-dee-damn-doo
A QB who's college stats were less than that NFL powerhouse QB Ryan Nassib.
I didn't believe it when I heard it last night, but it is true. Jones' stats were below Nassib who was drafted in the forth round.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/ryan-nassib-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/daniel-jones-4.html
College player stats are irrelevant
Go look up the worst teams in terms of passes dropped and OL blocking ... then wonder how Duke was even ranked at any point (Hint: Jones carried them)
Take a listen to Barnwell in the second video here. Even factoring in the drops, Jones' QBR was 36th in his class. 36th! For the number 6 pick! ESPN draft - ( New Window )
I'll prefer Polian, Cosell, Sy, Brandt, and my own eyes. I do not care about his stats - people have no idea just how pathetic his offense was.
size - check
mobility - check
arm - check
toughness - check
well coached - check
Successful at throwing the ball in college -- Uncheck.
bottom 5 worst pass protecting OL and among nation's leaders in dropped passes ... all Jones' fault.
All the adjusted yards statistics that take this kind of thing into account still say he's garbage. And outside of Clemson, he was getting these mediocre stats against the likes of Army, Temple, and Northwestern. Color me unimpressed.
Wentz and Deshaun Watson were also QBs in a down year. He deserves a chance. His feet in the pocket give me hope. He moves through progressions pretty quickly. I’m starting to see what they project. The only question I have, is he ok with taking risks?
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More of the same!!
Fuck off.
I love the pick. But I loved the Dayne pick, so what the fuck do I know?
But I will enjoy the media eating copious amounts of crow if Jones pans out.
Not knocking the new QB, but value or opportunities wise we might have an empty suit up top.
But the market itself is a beast which you cannot ignore.
When you look back at past drafts, really only 25% of the top 10 picks work out. Just because pros are doing the picking, doesn’t mean they know what they are doing. It’s really an inexact science, but it’s frightening that they are going against the grain so much. The fact that Cincy, Washington, and Denver wanted him doesn’t validate picking him at 6th at all. Those are three organizations with atrocious recent history of picking QB’s.
I am glad so many are lauding this pick. Most have sided with management when it comes to recent moves, pound your chest all you want, we’ve been a lousy organization with the record to prove it.
Not knocking the new QB, but value or opportunities wise we might have an empty suit up top.
Devin White was not there he was taken 5th.
Fuck off.
I love the pick. But I loved the Dayne pick, so what the fuck do I know?
But I will enjoy the media eating copious amounts of crow if Jones pans out.
When the Giants HC search was under way Chris Simms predicted Greg Schiano would be hired as HC of the Giants. Schiano who order his players to cheap shot Eli while he was taking a knee to run out the clock. Greg Schiano who the Giants had not shown a single shred of interest in. That is the coach that Chris Simms predicted for the Giants.
I'm still lukewarm on it, just don't think it was a good value play. But Jones is taking some unfair criticism from people who have likely never seen him play and are latching onto a few sound bytes.
The more I've dug, I have found some things that excite me. I mentioned in another thread, but I really like the mobility and just enough ability to create with his legs. He's not flashy but he can make some plays if necessary. He's a solid athlete
I like that he seems to be a tough kid who carried a below average roster to 8 wins in the ACC. His numbers would look much better with better skill position guys. Reminds me of when Accorsi watched Eli drag a crappy Ole Miss roster to wins. Toughness, leadership ability, checks all the boxes on the intangibles.
And he seems to have good accuracy in the short to intermediate range. You can go a long way in this league with those traits.
My concerns center around a lack of natural arm talent. That can be schemed around a bit but it is still notable. And just some concerns that we went for the safe, familiar play here going with the guy with connections to someone the Giants feel comfortable with. Going for intangibles over pure talent also makes me nervous.
Sometimes I don't know if Gettelman is just fucking with us but him saying he saw 3 series at the senior bowl and knew he was the guy is just downright frightening. And as I said above, there just seemed to be better value available at 6. But if this guy turns into a 10 year reliable starter than it was a steal.
Going to stay optimistic and I'm willing to see what we've got here. There's a good bit to like about Jones if you can somehow factor out where he was picked. But I can't lie, my initial reaction was frustration.
Check out this video below for a nice breakdown of Jones
Link - ( New Window )
- White
- Polite young man
- Face of the franchise
- Haircut you can set your watch to
- Sort of looks like Eli Manning
- Has actually met Eli Manning
How many times have we been told Eli is cooked? That the team can't move forward until we have a QB?
The incessant bitching about passing on Darnold, Rosen and Allen? The mindless complaints that not trading for Rosen is idiocy?
That sure the hell sounds like many posters wanted a QB - and seemingly overrated last year's class.
We pick a QB and the place explodes. BBI is nothing if it isn't consistent....
How many times have we been told Eli is cooked? That the team can't move forward until we have a QB?
The incessant bitching about passing on Darnold, Rosen and Allen? The mindless complaints that not trading for Rosen is idiocy?
That sure the hell sounds like many posters wanted a QB - and seemingly overrated last year's class.
We pick a QB and the place explodes. BBI is nothing if it isn't consistent....
I need a new car. I guess I'll go get the one my neighbor is selling that doesn't run, because its there and it is a car.
You're trying to argue that fans are fickle. I've seen plenty say they'd rather not take a QB at all this year given the options.
Inside the war room:
Barring Getts (job at stake) NOT one man....NOT one is facing Mara. (Who is in the corner).
Betch isn't in room. Shurm is looking elsewhere, all the other suits are looking the other way. Literally twisting to turn facing away from the boss.
Its huge if you look at body language.
Mara looks like a bewildered child who was made King. Looking around: "what's going on?" Eyes darting around.
You're trying to argue that fans are fickle. I've seen plenty say they'd rather not take a QB at all this year given the options.
I mean, on multiple "who do you want in the first round" pre-draft threads, my answer was "ABJ - anyone but Jones"
I watched Marvin Harrison's career at Cuse and never saw him as one of the best WR's of his time. Likewise, I kept expecting Eta-Tawa to contribute. Thought Jim Turner would be a very good WR in the NFL.
When it comes to QB's, I thought Rivers throwing motion would never work at the next level. Thought Chuck Long would be a great QB. Thought Brian Hoyer would be very good.
Don't even get me started on RB's I thought would be monsters.
I'm hoping I'm wrong here.
I watched Marvin Harrison's career at Cuse and never saw him as one of the best WR's of his time. Likewise, I kept expecting Eta-Tawa to contribute. Thought Jim Turner would be a very good WR in the NFL.
When it comes to QB's, I thought Rivers throwing motion would never work at the next level. Thought Chuck Long would be a great QB. Thought Brian Hoyer would be very good.
Don't even get me started on RB's I thought would be monsters.
I'm hoping I'm wrong here.
I thought Matt Ryan, Deshaun Watson, Mitchell Trubisky, and Jared Goff were going to be busts. I also thought that Joey Harrington was the second coming of Favre. I am smart enough to admit that I often don't know shit about evaluating QB's.
While throwing the remote, stop and consider that the guy possesses enough of the physical talent traits to be as good as anyone not named Rogers and certainly has more to work with than a guy named Brady.
I do not love the pick. However, I believe that the Giants did not believe he would last until 17.
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We know the Jets tried to trade down and failed, so they picked Williams. We know the Broncos traded down and the Steelers leapfrogged Cincy to get Bush.
I feel pretty confident that Jones would've gone to Denver and when he wasn't there, they traded. Cincy, Washington and Miami might have wanted him too.
I would have liked to trade down a couple of spots or just take Allen, but I really don't think Jones is there at 17.
The thing that still is the cloud is that the dude has to be able to be a franchise guy. If he isn't, we whiffed.