How do you give up on Odell and get this?? How do you pass up on Josh Allen?? Or even Ed Oliver?? This guy better be the real deal or this Franchise will be in a world of shit.. This defense has way to many holes! No pass rush what so ever, and you pass on Allen?? It almost feels like the Giants Org fall for the Rumors and go by what players do in Senior Bowl games??! Smh..
we are in year 2. We now have the QB drama behind us and can attack the rest of the roster. We don't have to use capital to trade up next year. This isn't going to be a well received pick right now but down the line it could work out well.
Unless Jones is the real deal the QB drama hasn’t even begun yet. If he is shit we are going to be in qb hell for a long time. Hoping for the best but not thrilled with Jones
I mean the constant questions about what we are doing at QB. Any QB can bust, so your concerns apply to just about any prospect we would have taken. The succession plan is officially over and done with. It working it is another story for another season.
Eli to replace Eli. Smooth transition. The guy is very smart. poised and cultured. Can throw the ball. Fits our offense, not Jerry Reese's. Meanwhile, didya see Allen with the kid? He's a college kid himself. Culture change, long overdue.
Fuck the Maras, Fuck Tisch, and Fuck Eli’s feelings ruining this team for the next decade
What’s next? A big WR @ 17 to help Eli pad his garbage time stats?
Fuck you Gettleman. This team is so blatantly mismanaged, starting from the top, it’s not even funny.
Best part: Reach on Jones means sucking this year and no QB next year - when they should go QB.
Fucking disgrace. Never been ashamed to be a fan before. Laughing stock of the NFL - and they deserve it.
So disgusted right now. Absolute reach on mediocre prospect because Eli likes him rather than going Josh Allen. Unreal. So glad we landed the senior bel MVP again ... this team is so pathetically predictable
Again -- but imo Jones is the best QB prospect this year and better than any prospect last year -- he's a fighter -- and I think he's more accurate than what is being written about him
How many 2nd, 3rd, 5th or even UDFA defenders will we be talking about. How many DLs were picked ahead of Strahan. Comparing Allen to Jordon is preposterous. Do you think Allen is going to transform the NFL. There were two other DEs taken ahead of him. Perhaps he will be great. But to act as if it is a certainty isn't realistic. And injuries play such a big role.
We will see what happens... Cool under pressure is perhaps the most important attribute for a new QB. Time will tell.
*Allen has been labeled an automatic top 5 player in this draft. I do have a 1st round grade on him but I don’t think he is close to the elite level. I love the frame and I do think he has the potential to put on even more weight, but I borderline think it is mandatory for him to add the power to his game. He lost too many one on one battles where he didn’t get the initial position advantage and that rubs me the wrong way. However I love how he can fill multiple roles and I think he plays the game the right way. He will be dependably and consistently solid, but that is where it ends for me
Here's how I see it. Jones plays for Cutcliffe for 3 years, he attends Manning camps, there has to be a tremendous amount of trust in Eli and David Cutcliffe to make this pick here. I don't on the surface like it, but I didn't like Eli over Big Ben or Rivers along w/ the traded assets and maybe we win more with either one and the extra picks but we have two rings with Eli. Jones played with awful talent, no OL and his WRs dropped tons of passes and he still led a bad Duke team to a winning record. I question his arm, I really do, it's not something I like in a QB when he can't rip it. I'm going to wait, watch and see what happens and hope we're right. I don't think he was the right pick, I really don't but I'm getting on board, because we root for this forking team and I'm sick of hating everything they do.
This is exactly the way I’m trying to approach this pic, Joey. Let’s hope he comes through and is a true franchise quarterback.
If they like Jones that much, he better be starting by Game 5. Â
Jones is not someone whom you have conviction on at freaking 6. He's someone you like and take at 17 if he is still available. If Washington likes him that much, that'd give me pause.
We can exercise patience and learn to root for the kid, maybe by training camp, but certainly not now. This is a bad pick!!
How can anyone still defend this choice this high? It's like Knicks fans defending the Ntlikina pick. It's been two years and he still sucks. Just because they are pro's doesn't mean they know what they are doing.
Some people should take a deep breath. The Giants organization historically does not let the fans influence their decisions. They had a conviction on the QB it seems.
They now committ to Daniel Jones and have their QB to team with Barkley in his prime...Like it or not. Its going to be quite a ride for Jones. Another QB thats going to be facing tons of scrutiny from all different angles. I hope he has Eli's demeanor.
I mentally was prepared for Josh Allen, especially since jtgiants gave a guarantee that he would be the pick while plopping up his track record.
The look of shock at hearing Daniel, my goodness
Yeah, but that jtgiants guy transformed into full-on egotistical asshole today. Maybe his account was hacked and someone else was posting with his screen name.
Here's how I see it. Jones plays for Cutcliffe for 3 years, he attends Manning camps, there has to be a tremendous amount of trust in Eli and David Cutcliffe to make this pick here. I don't on the surface like it, but I didn't like Eli over Big Ben or Rivers along w/ the traded assets and maybe we win more with either one and the extra picks but we have two rings with Eli. Jones played with awful talent, no OL and his WRs dropped tons of passes and he still led a bad Duke team to a winning record. I question his arm, I really do, it's not something I like in a QB when he can't rip it. I'm going to wait, watch and see what happens and hope we're right. I don't think he was the right pick, I really don't but I'm getting on board, because we root for this forking team and I'm sick of hating everything they do.
This is exactly the way I’m trying to approach this pic, Joey. Let’s hope he comes through and is a true franchise quarterback.
But the way the draft is unfolding the Giants might have been able to take D. Jones at 17. That I could have lived with. But passing on a talent like Allen is just dumb.
can you pass on Josh Allen... I mean fine you want Daniel Jones ... I am glad you like him, but with Josh Allen there?
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
No look... as much as I could never take him over Josh Allen or Haskins... Jones isn't some chump. He is very accurate in the short to mid area. Majority of all throws are in that range. In fact look how many over 50 yard in the air throws are made per game in the NFL... The average is super low. He throws are perfect at times. Right on the spot not just accurate.
He was my fave QB for this draft, but to pass on Josh Allen at 6 when he was literally gift wrapped to us... I’m at a loss for words. Oh well, welcome Daniel Jones, show this fan base that you’re not Dave Brown 2.0
Go 5-11 with Eli and some Jones this year.
Realize Jones blows the cock in 2020 as we go 2-14.
Fire everybody.
Hire competent GM and HC
Draft Trevor Lawrence in 2021??
Would he have been there at 17? I’m thinking DG didn’t think so or at least didn’t want to,take that chance. Hopefully the defensive guy we get at 17 will be a very good pick to make us somewhat forget about not getting Allen.
that he had a feeling that it would be Daniel Jones at #6, I thought NFW. On the other hand when the so called asshat jtgiants said that "if Josh Allen was there at 6, the giants will sprint to the podium", I felt confident that would be the call. So much for you don't reach, you don't force a pick. I truly hope this pick works out, I fear we are in QB hell but don't know it yet.
Again -- but imo Jones is the best QB prospect this year and better than any prospect last year -- he's a fighter -- and I think he's more accurate than what is being written about him
I wanted Allen bad. I thought Jones At 17 but if we can come back at 17 with a Pass Rusher like Burns I will be happy. I feel bad for Jones. It’s not his fault we reached for him.
can you pass on Josh Allen... I mean fine you want Daniel Jones ... I am glad you like him, but with Josh Allen there?
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
No look... as much as I could never take him over Josh Allen or Haskins... Jones isn't some chump. He is very accurate in the short to mid area. Majority of all throws are in that range. In fact look how many over 50 yard in the air throws are made per game in the NFL... The average is super low. He throws are perfect at times. Right on the spot not just accurate.
He's under 29% in throws over 20 yards in the air. There are plenty of throws in the intermediate range that travel that far.
They can't let go of Eli despite the fact we'll never win anything again with him.
We drafted Kyle Lauletta who got placed into QB purgatory by the goofs who drafted him.
We just drafted a second-third project in Daniel Jones with THE #6 PICK in the draft!
And we clearly passed on getting the superior prospect Josh Rosen.
What an absolute catastrophe.
How dare you. You're not a GM. A GM made this pick, and he knows more than we do, because we are not GMs.
You all have no right to speak after blindly backing DSG because he is the GM. From BPA to all this damn nonsense, we picked the 4th best QB in this draft at 6. And please don't tell me football players liked him. Jones is garbage. And worse, Washington is going to land Haskins at 15 and shove him down our throats for 15 years.
Good to see JTGIants manning up after we passed on Allen and picked a QB. His information was spot on!
But, that tells me they love the guy and think he's the goods.
Not what I'd have done, but it's not my job and Jones is a Giant now. I will pull for him and hope he's everything the FO thinks he'll be.
Some of the comments here are embarrassing. Get a grip, guys.
This stuff happens every year in almost every sport. Fans go absolutely wild over a draft pick of a guy they barely watched and throw a fucking fit over it.
We won't know if this was a good decision or not for about 3-4 years. It surprised me, and it's not the route I'd have gone... but I get it.
This offense needs to run through Barkley. We can do it with Jones.
Thanks for this rational post. It's just a bit annoying have all my Jets, Phins, etc fans friends laughing their asses off. I hope Jones is more Peyton as Gil Brandt said and proves all of us wrong. I just wish they went Allen and then traded up for Jones if they wanted him that badly.
Ask those guys how much they really know about Jones or how much time they spent watching him. They'll either lie to you and say they've watched a lot of him or they'll be honest and say they really don't know anything other than the fact that mock drafts and pre-draft rankings make the pick look bad.
I've voiced my concerns about him plenty here. I liked Haskins more.
But, Jones can move around a bit. He's not a statue. And when he has an NFL offensive line in front of him, and a few guys who can actually catch a football + Saquon Barkley, I can see him elevating and becoming a good QB.
Ceiling is limited and that's what has always bugged me. I don't see the deep ball accuracy. I don't see zip on balls outside the hash marks. But Jones does a bunch of things well, and Shurmur is going to run a lot of RPO concepts with him. I think he's the type of QB that will fit what Shurmur wants like a glove.
Dave Brown has to sign off
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we are in year 2. We now have the QB drama behind us and can attack the rest of the roster. We don't have to use capital to trade up next year. This isn't going to be a well received pick right now but down the line it could work out well.
Unless Jones is the real deal the QB drama hasn’t even begun yet. If he is shit we are going to be in qb hell for a long time. Hoping for the best but not thrilled with Jones
I mean the constant questions about what we are doing at QB. Any QB can bust, so your concerns apply to just about any prospect we would have taken. The succession plan is officially over and done with. It working it is another story for another season.
Eli could reliably throw a deep out.
What’s next? A big WR @ 17 to help Eli pad his garbage time stats?
Fuck you Gettleman. This team is so blatantly mismanaged, starting from the top, it’s not even funny.
Best part: Reach on Jones means sucking this year and no QB next year - when they should go QB.
Fucking disgrace. Never been ashamed to be a fan before. Laughing stock of the NFL - and they deserve it.
So disgusted right now. Absolute reach on mediocre prospect because Eli likes him rather than going Josh Allen. Unreal. So glad we landed the senior bel MVP again ... this team is so pathetically predictable
Can we at least wait to see the kid play before you speak with such conviction of what a horrible pick it is.
Comical, but typical.
We will see what happens... Cool under pressure is perhaps the most important attribute for a new QB. Time will tell.
Do Sy on Jones now...start crying
This is exactly the way I’m trying to approach this pic, Joey. Let’s hope he comes through and is a true franchise quarterback.
We can exercise patience and learn to root for the kid, maybe by training camp, but certainly not now. This is a bad pick!!
How can anyone still defend this choice this high? It's like Knicks fans defending the Ntlikina pick. It's been two years and he still sucks. Just because they are pro's doesn't mean they know what they are doing.
They now committ to Daniel Jones and have their QB to team with Barkley in his prime...Like it or not. Its going to be quite a ride for Jones. Another QB thats going to be facing tons of scrutiny from all different angles. I hope he has Eli's demeanor.
He’s full of shit, that’s the problem.
Daniel Jones is the franchise. The sooner we get on board the better.
The look of shock at hearing Daniel, my goodness
Yeah, but that jtgiants guy transformed into full-on egotistical asshole today. Maybe his account was hacked and someone else was posting with his screen name.
This is exactly the way I’m trying to approach this pic, Joey. Let’s hope he comes through and is a true franchise quarterback.
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can you pass on Josh Allen... I mean fine you want Daniel Jones ... I am glad you like him, but with Josh Allen there?
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
No look... as much as I could never take him over Josh Allen or Haskins... Jones isn't some chump. He is very accurate in the short to mid area. Majority of all throws are in that range. In fact look how many over 50 yard in the air throws are made per game in the NFL... The average is super low. He throws are perfect at times. Right on the spot not just accurate.
+1
Except I wasn’t good with any of these QBs at 17. JFC
They can't let go of Eli despite the fact we'll never win anything again with him.
We drafted Kyle Lauletta who got placed into QB purgatory by the goofs who drafted him.
We just drafted a second-third project in Daniel Jones with THE #6 PICK in the draft!
And we clearly passed on getting the superior prospect Josh Rosen.
What an absolute catastrophe.
Realize Jones blows the cock in 2020 as we go 2-14.
Fire everybody.
Hire competent GM and HC
Draft Trevor Lawrence in 2021??
Forget everything you know, why the fu*k is a Jets fan on a Giants board?
Would he have been there at 17? I’m thinking DG didn’t think so or at least didn’t want to,take that chance. Hopefully the defensive guy we get at 17 will be a very good pick to make us somewhat forget about not getting Allen.
LOFL!
I wanted Allen bad. I thought Jones At 17 but if we can come back at 17 with a Pass Rusher like Burns I will be happy. I feel bad for Jones. It’s not his fault we reached for him.
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can you pass on Josh Allen... I mean fine you want Daniel Jones ... I am glad you like him, but with Josh Allen there?
Only good thing is we had our choice and we took it. No more we need a QB threads either.
Are you sure we still won’t need a quarterback?
No look... as much as I could never take him over Josh Allen or Haskins... Jones isn't some chump. He is very accurate in the short to mid area. Majority of all throws are in that range. In fact look how many over 50 yard in the air throws are made per game in the NFL... The average is super low. He throws are perfect at times. Right on the spot not just accurate.
He's under 29% in throws over 20 yards in the air. There are plenty of throws in the intermediate range that travel that far.
we have ZERO players on defense
and we gave an old terrible QB 23 million dollars this year
They can't let go of Eli despite the fact we'll never win anything again with him.
We drafted Kyle Lauletta who got placed into QB purgatory by the goofs who drafted him.
We just drafted a second-third project in Daniel Jones with THE #6 PICK in the draft!
And we clearly passed on getting the superior prospect Josh Rosen.
What an absolute catastrophe.
How dare you. You're not a GM. A GM made this pick, and he knows more than we do, because we are not GMs.
You all have no right to speak after blindly backing DSG because he is the GM. From BPA to all this damn nonsense, we picked the 4th best QB in this draft at 6. And please don't tell me football players liked him. Jones is garbage. And worse, Washington is going to land Haskins at 15 and shove him down our throats for 15 years.
Good to see JTGIants manning up after we passed on Allen and picked a QB. His information was spot on!
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Can't believe they passed on Allen for Jones.
But, that tells me they love the guy and think he's the goods.
Not what I'd have done, but it's not my job and Jones is a Giant now. I will pull for him and hope he's everything the FO thinks he'll be.
Some of the comments here are embarrassing. Get a grip, guys.
This stuff happens every year in almost every sport. Fans go absolutely wild over a draft pick of a guy they barely watched and throw a fucking fit over it.
We won't know if this was a good decision or not for about 3-4 years. It surprised me, and it's not the route I'd have gone... but I get it.
This offense needs to run through Barkley. We can do it with Jones.
Thanks for this rational post. It's just a bit annoying have all my Jets, Phins, etc fans friends laughing their asses off. I hope Jones is more Peyton as Gil Brandt said and proves all of us wrong. I just wish they went Allen and then traded up for Jones if they wanted him that badly.
Ask those guys how much they really know about Jones or how much time they spent watching him. They'll either lie to you and say they've watched a lot of him or they'll be honest and say they really don't know anything other than the fact that mock drafts and pre-draft rankings make the pick look bad.
I've voiced my concerns about him plenty here. I liked Haskins more.
But, Jones can move around a bit. He's not a statue. And when he has an NFL offensive line in front of him, and a few guys who can actually catch a football + Saquon Barkley, I can see him elevating and becoming a good QB.
Ceiling is limited and that's what has always bugged me. I don't see the deep ball accuracy. I don't see zip on balls outside the hash marks. But Jones does a bunch of things well, and Shurmur is going to run a lot of RPO concepts with him. I think he's the type of QB that will fit what Shurmur wants like a glove.