for Best Player Available. If they were locked on Jones (which baffles my mind) then all the BPA talk is total bullshit because he was definitely NOT the BPA at 6. What a waste, IMV. At least 17 was a good pick.
I am hoping that I hear that this was the guy that Shurmur wanted. If I hear that he had the choice of Rosen or any of these QBs and he thought Daniel Jones would run it best I'm good. I think Daniel Jones is superior to Case Keenum in every way. If he's not our quarterback of the future we are in for some shit football. I'm going to be completely on board until Daniel Jones proves otherwise. Go Giants!
I thought he might have been around later, but a lot of rumors that the Skins, Miami wanted him. Haskins fell all the way down to 15, with QB needy teams passing on him. Jones has a lot of talent and definitely elevated those
around him.
if the Giants think this pick is a salve to the fanbase then yeesh. Link - ( New Window )
Media idiots were on more of a "They need a QB now!!!" bandwagon than the fans were. I think fans didn't want them to reach for a QB and would've preferred BPA even if that meant waiting another pick, round, or year for Eli's replacement. There's no way they can convince anyone that Jones was the BPA, which makes them look ridiculous. They essentially ignored the same principles that led them to pick Saquon Barkley last season.
The fact Jones was able to stand out on that Duke team says a lot.If he had played at Ohio State or Alabama,the media would have considered him a top 5 lock,and opinions would be a little different.
I am hoping that I hear that this was the guy that Shurmur wanted. If I hear that he had the choice of Rosen or any of these QBs and he thought Daniel Jones would run it best I'm good. I think Daniel Jones is superior to Case Keenum in every way. If he's not our quarterback of the future we are in for some shit football. I'm going to be completely on board until Daniel Jones proves otherwise. Go Giants!
Exactly "
They forced a pick among a bunch of guys. This was not the year to be forced into taking a QB. They all stink. This was a QB desert.
Ready to set my season tickets on fire. This team will be a dumpster fire until the mid 2020s at the earliest. Fuck Dave Gettleman and this fucking scrub.
for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
Forget the KC model, it’s the LA Rams model that intrigues me with Barkley and now Jones in the fold. If he can reach the level of a guy like Jared Goff, this offense is going to be run through Barkley for the next handful of seasons at least.
Ready to set my season tickets on fire. This team will be a dumpster fire until the mid 2020s at the earliest. Fuck Dave Gettleman and this fucking scrub.
How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
Watched him more than I have speak to his arm strength? I’ve just come away thinking he didn’t have a NFL quality arm from what I’ve seen and would really struggle after Halloween in the meadowlands ? You just can consistently win in this league unless your qb can get the ball downfield.
Not looking for a disagreement just want an honest evaluation of his arm quality.
Ready to set my season tickets on fire. This team will be a dumpster fire until the mid 2020s at the earliest. Fuck Dave Gettleman and this fucking scrub.
How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
Watched six full games. This guys is the definition of a stiff. How much do you spend on the Giants each year?
Accuracy:Jones has very good accuracy in the short passing game. He has the ability to throw his target open, allowing them to gain extra yardage after the catch. Jones has good ball placement but his questionable arm strength impacts his intermediate accuracy. In the long range passing game, Jones is inconsistent but has shown he can deliver a nice bucket pass. I do have concerns about his deep accuracy but feel confident he can be an effective down the field passer. Jones is impressive when it comes to delivering an accurate ball on the move. His accuracy can be attributed to his commitment to setting his feet and body towards his target. From my evaluations, Jones is the most consistent and accurate passer in this quarterback class.
Arm strength:This is the area of most concern for Jones. While watching the film his throws had a tendency to float to the target. It was evident on the 10-12 yard outs and hitch patterns because defensive backs routinely were in a position to make a play on the football. The ball just appears to take a long time to get to the target with little zip. There were also several deep balls that were under thrown; he may struggle to hit speedy wide receivers on streak patterns. All these observations were in 2018 games but when I put on a 2017 game I noticed a lot more zip on his throws. This season he battled an collarbone injury that could have impacted the power he was able to generate. Overall, after looking at the tape I feel that Jones has an average arm but can make NFL throws.
Decision making: Jones possesses an excellent feel for the quarterback position. He has a lot of savvy in his game especially when executing screen plays. His ability to effectively decoy on screens allows for his target to pick up an extra couple yards. Jones was calm and collected as he made his pre snap reads and showed he could identify potential blitzes. I was pleased to see that Jones was comfortable going through his progressions. He routinely set and reset his feet while going across the field looking to his secondary targets. While a lot of quarterbacks tend to lock on to their primary target, Jones is able to influence the defense with his head and eyes.
Field vision:Jones does a good job diagnosing what the defense is trying to throw at him. He has the presence to identify pre snap alignments and potential blitzers. After the snap he is comfortable going across the field with his progressions. He doesn’t panic when his first read is covered and quickly looks to his secondary reads. The most important skill Jones possesses is the way he anticipates his throws. He gets the ball quickly out of his hands and before his target makes their break. He trusts that his wide receivers will run the correct route. His anticipation is going to be the key to his NFL success because of his limited arm strength. While he does a nice job reading the defense this is still an area he could improve. In the past, he has shown that he will make poor decisions and force a ball or two. Overall he does a nice job processing post snap information.
Mechanics: Duke’s offensive system allowed Jones to get comfortable taking snaps from under center. On his drop back, Jones takes solid balanced steps while keeping his head on a swivel. He holds the ball tight to his frame and above his breast plate which avoids wasted motions and results in a quick release. Jones does a great job setting his feet and body towards his target which allows him to deliver an accurate football. The one word that describes Jones is consistency as he regularly has sound technique.
Pocket awareness: Jones is calm and unflappable under pressure. He feels the rush and can move around the pocket while remaining focused down the field. Jones does a good job resetting his feet and body after he is forced to navigate the pocket. Defensive coordinators also need to be concerned with Jones’s ability to use his feet to pick up yardage. He has the athletic ability to escape the pocket and pick up big chunks.
Look, this is a high first round pick. 99% of the remarks out there should be glowing. It appeared only the Giants and maybe a handful of teams were high on Jones, with one of them being Washington and we know how good at scouting their owner is. All the positives about Jones are about his intangibles, barely any mention of his throwing the football....
Once again, this team proves to be clueless. After an entire off-season of proclaiming Eli can still play, they chose not to help the defense when a stud fell. Instead they spent a high pick on the position with the plans to sit him for the whole year. So 2019 will suck, after having wasted the #6 pick, and 2020 will suck because it will be Jones' first year. Maybe we are maximizing our chances of picking Trevor Lawrence?
lives in Maryland and has season tickets for the Skins. He just posted a video from their big to-do and when the Giants selected Jones, you could hear laughter amid the boisterous cheering in the place.
If he was #6 on our board than our board was a dart board. Our only hope is that somethings stupid lucks into good. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
Thank god it wasn’t Haskins at least
If he was #6 on our board than our board was a dart board. Our only hope is that somethings stupid lucks into good. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
So we just picked a guy we didn't really think was that good? Ok then.
This will need a couple years but will be Gettlemans legacy pick for sure.
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around him.
I am with you, he is their guy and I trust them
Media idiots were on more of a "They need a QB now!!!" bandwagon than the fans were. I think fans didn't want them to reach for a QB and would've preferred BPA even if that meant waiting another pick, round, or year for Eli's replacement. There's no way they can convince anyone that Jones was the BPA, which makes them look ridiculous. They essentially ignored the same principles that led them to pick Saquon Barkley last season.
If he was #6 on our board than our board was a dart board. Our only hope is that somethings stupid lucks into good. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
^This.
If not for the fact that nobody thought Jones was worth the 6th overall pick or more, they would have had him swiped too.
They forced a pick among a bunch of guys. This was not the year to be forced into taking a QB. They all stink. This was a QB desert.
Flowers starting at RT, Onenah at OG, Ogletree for tons of kinda money, I really think Gettleman needs some scrutiny.
Who said that?
Forget the KC model, it’s the LA Rams model that intrigues me with Barkley and now Jones in the fold. If he can reach the level of a guy like Jared Goff, this offense is going to be run through Barkley for the next handful of seasons at least.
Define 'stand out'. Being the third QB at best in a draft year for QBs that's acknowledged as mediocre?
How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
@joelklatt
The @Giants could have waited until this pick to select Daniel Jones...100%
I’m sorry, he could be right, but Klatt isn’t someone whose opinion I would care about, at all.
Not looking for a disagreement just want an honest evaluation of his arm quality.
Don't let that get in the way.....
Shurmur hasn't done dick to dictate the 6th pick of the draft.
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Ready to set my season tickets on fire. This team will be a dumpster fire until the mid 2020s at the earliest. Fuck Dave Gettleman and this fucking scrub.
How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
Watched six full games. This guys is the definition of a stiff. How much do you spend on the Giants each year?
Arm strength:This is the area of most concern for Jones. While watching the film his throws had a tendency to float to the target. It was evident on the 10-12 yard outs and hitch patterns because defensive backs routinely were in a position to make a play on the football. The ball just appears to take a long time to get to the target with little zip. There were also several deep balls that were under thrown; he may struggle to hit speedy wide receivers on streak patterns. All these observations were in 2018 games but when I put on a 2017 game I noticed a lot more zip on his throws. This season he battled an collarbone injury that could have impacted the power he was able to generate. Overall, after looking at the tape I feel that Jones has an average arm but can make NFL throws.
Decision making: Jones possesses an excellent feel for the quarterback position. He has a lot of savvy in his game especially when executing screen plays. His ability to effectively decoy on screens allows for his target to pick up an extra couple yards. Jones was calm and collected as he made his pre snap reads and showed he could identify potential blitzes. I was pleased to see that Jones was comfortable going through his progressions. He routinely set and reset his feet while going across the field looking to his secondary targets. While a lot of quarterbacks tend to lock on to their primary target, Jones is able to influence the defense with his head and eyes.
Field vision:Jones does a good job diagnosing what the defense is trying to throw at him. He has the presence to identify pre snap alignments and potential blitzers. After the snap he is comfortable going across the field with his progressions. He doesn’t panic when his first read is covered and quickly looks to his secondary reads. The most important skill Jones possesses is the way he anticipates his throws. He gets the ball quickly out of his hands and before his target makes their break. He trusts that his wide receivers will run the correct route. His anticipation is going to be the key to his NFL success because of his limited arm strength. While he does a nice job reading the defense this is still an area he could improve. In the past, he has shown that he will make poor decisions and force a ball or two. Overall he does a nice job processing post snap information.
Mechanics: Duke’s offensive system allowed Jones to get comfortable taking snaps from under center. On his drop back, Jones takes solid balanced steps while keeping his head on a swivel. He holds the ball tight to his frame and above his breast plate which avoids wasted motions and results in a quick release. Jones does a great job setting his feet and body towards his target which allows him to deliver an accurate football. The one word that describes Jones is consistency as he regularly has sound technique.
Pocket awareness: Jones is calm and unflappable under pressure. He feels the rush and can move around the pocket while remaining focused down the field. Jones does a good job resetting his feet and body after he is forced to navigate the pocket. Defensive coordinators also need to be concerned with Jones’s ability to use his feet to pick up yardage. He has the athletic ability to escape the pocket and pick up big chunks.
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Who has connects in the Agent industry said Cincy would have probably taken him at 11
Don't let that get in the way.....
We want to be picking from the Bengals' draft board? That seems well-advised.
How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
If I've watched a bunch of Duke games, I get to mock the pick, right? Just want to have the ground rules established.
Once again, this team proves to be clueless. After an entire off-season of proclaiming Eli can still play, they chose not to help the defense when a stud fell. Instead they spent a high pick on the position with the plans to sit him for the whole year. So 2019 will suck, after having wasted the #6 pick, and 2020 will suck because it will be Jones' first year. Maybe we are maximizing our chances of picking Trevor Lawrence?
That seems more like a coping mechanism than anything.
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we picked a QB just to pick a QB crowd. So stupid.
Who said that?
Many people in this thread... like even a few posts above that someone said it. so stupid
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
Conviction for the sake of it is pretty much a nothing burger. Zgiants has conviction every year the Mets are going to win the world series.
Man, I hope DG got this right.
Lol. If by yellow you mean a crossing guard's vest outside an elementary school, I agree.
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How many Duke games did you watch to inspire you to set your tickets ablaze?
If I've watched a bunch of Duke games, I get to mock the pick, right? Just want to have the ground rules established.
LOL