lives in Maryland and has season tickets for the Skins. He just posted a video from their big to-do and when the Giants selected Jones, you could hear laughter amid the boisterous cheering in the place.
Man, I hope DG got this right.
I’m sure they weren’t shaking in their boots in Dallas and Philadelphia either.
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Crazy Dave has done lots of dumb things before tonight and everyone still supported him. Now he picks a QB that may be a reach at 6 but still a guy projected to go in the first round and people act like they're ready to slit their wrists. Nobody knows how good Jones will be but we knew the guys he got rid of ranged from solid starters to stars so why now????
why some people are so bothered that fans are upset by this pick on a message board? The immediate reaction to drafted a player 6th overall who Ourlads draft guide pegged in the "2nd/3rd round", is not a good thing. If that's not a fair response, Eric should either shut the board down or we shouldn't read any scouting reports. 6th pick should be an absolute blue chipper, in my mind. You don't get to pick 6th often (hopefully). Watching footage of him, especially his highlights, you should be blown away. Highlight videos tend to make anyone look good. To come away and think, hm, alright, not sure what I'm looking at, isn't a good reaction to have, even if we aren't scouts. We're fans - that's what fans do. Lastly, there have been some great articles out there comparing stats/production in college and NFL production and frankly, QBs tend not to get better in the NFL. So he would have to buck all of these things and be a statistical anomaly, to be worth the 6th pick. Again, people that can't handle the negative reaction (some of which are obviously over the top), should probably remind themselves that this is a fan message board. Of course, I would love to eat crow, but when someone has to outperform several metrics to validate their selection, it's not a good thing and statistically speaking, unlikely. That's how statistical indicators and projections tend to work. His 6.2 AY/A being worse than every 1st round QB in the past 20 years other than Locker, Ramsey and Boller, is frankly mortifying. He's not the first QB to play with WRs that drop the ball.
No front office makes moves they don't believe in. None of them do. They all want to keep their jobs.
Just because they believe in the kid doesn't make it the right call. Pat Shurmur knows a lot more about football than I or anyone else here does, and he's very far under .500 for his career.
You can know a lot and still not get it right. The outrage at questioning decisions is bizarre for a team that hasn't won anything in a long time, and it being run by a guy who's never picked a QB before.
No front office makes moves they don't believe in. None of them do. They all want to keep their jobs.
Just because they believe in the kid doesn't make it the right call. Pat Shurmur knows a lot more about football than I or anyone else here does, and he's very far under .500 for his career.
You can know a lot and still not get it right. The outrage at questioning decisions is bizarre for a team that hasn't won anything in a long time, and it being run by a guy who's never picked a QB before.
Good points.
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for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
That Wake Forest game was the real eye opener. You can say what you want about him standing tall about Clemson. But you can't get steamrolled at home by a pitiful Wake Forest team and use, well my team stunk too, as an excuse.
Because this team still has no pass rush, linebackers, secondary, RT, or C... Jones will be of no service to this team this year. And there just isn't going to be much more help on the way. This team will struggle mightily.
I expect another top 10 pick next year. We have to know if Jones is working out. If we get him in there and we can see its not going to work, then we may want to use that top 10 pick next year on another QB. Unlikely, I know, but not unheard of either. Cards did it this year.
Man, I can't shake the feeling that there is a Daniel Jones every year, there aren't Josh Allens every year.
for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
That Wake Forest game was the real eye opener. You can say what you want about him standing tall about Clemson. But you can't get steamrolled at home by a pitiful Wake Forest team and use, well my team stunk too, as an excuse.
To be fair, Wake's team wasn't pitiful, overall they were pretty good but their defense sucked. But, anyone who played them knew that you had to keep their offense off the field and just wear down their bad defense. Yet Jones kept giving the ball back to them via bad decisions and poor throws. Just absolutely horrible mental and physical QB play in that game.
And speaking of Wake, their prior QB John Wolford had a better college career than Jones, was probably the best overall player in the AAF, and wasn't even drafted. I would take Wolford over Jones 10 times out of 10, yet we inexplicably took Jones with the #6 pick because he worked with Cutcliffe? Cutcliffe isn't the guy throwing the ball. I can't get over how bad this pick is.
Dave Brown didn’t fail because of arm strength. Neither did Kerry Collins even on his worst day.
Decision making. Footwork. Ability to see the field while the world is crumbling around him. Toughness. Good health. System around fit. Coaching and maybe even a little luck. And you need enough arm strength. Do some of you truly think the giants ignored jones’ pro days and workouts? Did they look the other way or blindly just say “donnnnnnt care about his terrible arm he’s Eli 2.0 we have to draft him no matter what.”
When was the last time a team drafted a qb super high and that qb failed because his arm was terrible? It’s basically never happened. Stop with this juvenile stupid shit.
Jones ain’t gonna fail because of a weak throwing arm. That’s the easiest fucking thing to scout! His arm is fine. It’s not Marino. It’s not even Eli Manning but it’s probably right around average. His other attributes are what endeared him to the giants.
Or you could just continue believing that the giants drafted a qb with such a bad throwing arm it’s going to sabatoge his career before it even begins. I find that belief to be laughable and stupid.
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Dave Brown didn’t fail because of arm strength. Neither did Kerry Collins even on his worst day.
Decision making. Footwork. Ability to see the field while the world is crumbling around him. Toughness. Good health. System around fit. Coaching and maybe even a little luck. And you need enough arm strength. Do some of you truly think the giants ignored jones’ pro days and workouts? Did they look the other way or blindly just say “donnnnnnt care about his terrible arm he’s Eli 2.0 we have to draft him no matter what.”
When was the last time a team drafted a qb super high and that qb failed because his arm was terrible? It’s basically never happened. Stop with this juvenile stupid shit.
Jones ain’t gonna fail because of a weak throwing arm. That’s the easiest fucking thing to scout! His arm is fine. It’s not Marino. It’s not even Eli Manning but it’s probably right around average. His other attributes are what endeared him to the giants.
Or you could just continue believing that the giants drafted a qb with such a bad throwing arm it’s going to sabatoge his career before it even begins. I find that belief to be laughable and stupid.
To be fair, there is a minimum viable arm strength...
My beef with Jones is his decision making is head scratching at times. He is up and down...
I just don't get why they couldn't have picked up Allen and traded up to get Jones, like they did to get Baker??!! That's what is so baffling about the Giants Organization!
Watched Duke a couple times last year.. not an expert at all but this highlight tape scares the ABSOLUTE SHIT OUT OF ME. Maybe it is nothing but there is maybe one play where he looks off a safety or doesn’t throw to his pre-snap read. Someone like Sy probably knows more than me but I can’t even come close to finding a sliver of hope in this pick. Hoping my fantasy teams are good the next coupe years, cause I don’t think the Giants will be good for a while now. Wasting 26’s prime.
We still do not have an offensive tackle or defensive end worth a shit. And you need those to be good, or even mediocre. Link - ( New Window )
I do hate the pick at #6 with Allen still on the board. And, Jones would likely still have been there at #17. If not, they could have dealt for Rosen. Allen and Rosen is better than Jones and a NT, even if a good NT.
1) This draft will boil down to Allen vs. Jones for me.
2) I don't buy the comments about making this pick to make Manning comfortable. WTF is that?
3) That said, this pick seems to put a lot of faith in Manning's input, one would think. I don't hate the player, just where they took him with Allen still on the board.
4) Over/under number of games before he is starting? Given the ;ast few years, I'm going with 6.
will get fired if Jones is a bust. They obviously had a strong conviction on him. Yet, because a bunch of “draft experts” on TV (who got nearly everything wrong) said he should have been picked at 17 and not 6 people are gonna endlessly freak out? I get not being happy or feeling disappointed they didn’t take whoever you wanted them to, but let’s see the guy play before going completely insane.
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
Daniel Jones will not win 10 games as an NFL QB. And I think they give him at least two seasons of starts. I am absolutely terrified for this organizations future.
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
I find a lot of your post exaggerated. But, the one point I have made repeatedly is that it seems we will be wasting the Barkley pick, as his prime years seem more likely to be behind him when this franchise gets it together. This draft, even with 3 decent picks, hasn't changed that. They still have a mediocre, at best and a stretch at that, OL, no other impact players on offense, and no impact players on defense.
Even if Jones turns out to be a decent QB, it will be a few years, most likely, before we are a good team. That places Barkley at or near the end of his contract and on the back end of most NFL RB careers.
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
I find a lot of your post exaggerated. But, the one point I have made repeatedly is that it seems we will be wasting the Barkley pick, as his prime years seem more likely to be behind him when this franchise gets it together. This draft, even with 3 decent picks, hasn't changed that. They still have a mediocre, at best and a stretch at that, OL, no other impact players on offense, and no impact players on defense.
Even if Jones turns out to be a decent QB, it will be a few years, most likely, before we are a good team. That places Barkley at or near the end of his contract and on the back end of most NFL RB careers.
And don't get me wrong. That is not a criticism of Barkley or the pick. I would take him again without even thinking about it. IT is a criticism of the front office and what they have done since taking him. They miscalculated several positions and the team in general and they may be doing so again this year.
But it did. Time to sit back and hope the madness to this works out. At least Jones acts the part w Interviews and didn’t start his career w goof gaffes on tv like so many others.
lectures us about how you can't reach for a pick, and then does just that. Are we really to believe that Jones was the highest rated player on their board?
This is the part the scares me. Just like his quotes about you don’t give up on talent (but you do) and his “didn’t sign beckhman to trade him”
Gettleman is a fruit loop That obviously can’t be trusted. But at least he will be fired quick if Beckham winds up a Star superbowl player and this jones pick ends up trash.
Man, I hope DG got this right.
I’m sure they weren’t shaking in their boots in Dallas and Philadelphia either.
That's like the kiss of death...lol
It’s been said in the media for weeks they liked Jones and he was there guy.
Because of the dead money, the Giants will almost certainly have the 2nd fewest dollars spent on their roster in the NFL in 2019.
There are talent deficiencies at every level.
It's very difficult to understand where the winning while the rebuild will come from.
Agreed ....... but the leaks might be in ownership, in which case we the fans are screwed because dumb doesn’t die it breeds.
It’s been said in the media for weeks they liked Jones and he was there guy.
Why?? Because it could be the narrative for a number of guys.
It would have fit Allen. Haskins. Wilkins. There's been speculation about so many different players.
But like clockwork, inevitably one of the dozen players is selected and the narrative is - "AHA! Still leaks!!".
Dense fuckers is absolutely appropriate.
This is not a surprise.
The Giants must believe in Jones. We'll see if they are right.
You all don't know nearly as much as you think you do.
Thank you somebody with some sense
Just because they believe in the kid doesn't make it the right call. Pat Shurmur knows a lot more about football than I or anyone else here does, and he's very far under .500 for his career.
You can know a lot and still not get it right. The outrage at questioning decisions is bizarre for a team that hasn't won anything in a long time, and it being run by a guy who's never picked a QB before.
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And all of the "we could have got him @ 17" stuff needs to stop.
None of us know that.
This tells me Gettleman and Shurmur love this guy and weren't willing to risk someone else swooping in and swiping him.
That's conviction and even if it's not the guy you wanted, it should be what you wanted to see.
It's a lot harder for us. We can't just ditch our team when the going gets tough. We're LIFETIME Giants fans.
I'm sorry, who are you?
Oh wow! What a burn.
I'm a Yankee fan for life who's been on BBI for 20 years. And you?
Someone who has never noticed any of your posts before.
Glad you're tracking all of mine and keeping tabs on me, though.
Weird spot to take a shot at my fandom on a thread where I'm one of the only people saying we should let this play out before we lose our minds.
Glad you got it off your chest, though.
Anything else? Or can I go back to never noticing anything you post and not giving a shit about your existence?
you are correct. if they had a conviction that this guy is a great QB, they had to make sure to get him. you don't wait around for 17.
Just because they believe in the kid doesn't make it the right call. Pat Shurmur knows a lot more about football than I or anyone else here does, and he's very far under .500 for his career.
You can know a lot and still not get it right. The outrage at questioning decisions is bizarre for a team that hasn't won anything in a long time, and it being run by a guy who's never picked a QB before.
Good points.
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That's like the kiss of death...lol
Ha, you may be right.....I remember he liked Flowers.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
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for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
That Wake Forest game was the real eye opener. You can say what you want about him standing tall about Clemson. But you can't get steamrolled at home by a pitiful Wake Forest team and use, well my team stunk too, as an excuse.
That said and out of the way...
Hopefully it works out.
Go DJ, YAY...
"He walked out there and I saw a professional QB after the three series that I saw. That's when I was in full bloom love."
Awesome stuff.
Yeah, Gettleman used the #6 pick on a guy based on three minutes of film.
Because this team still has no pass rush, linebackers, secondary, RT, or C... Jones will be of no service to this team this year. And there just isn't going to be much more help on the way. This team will struggle mightily.
I expect another top 10 pick next year. We have to know if Jones is working out. If we get him in there and we can see its not going to work, then we may want to use that top 10 pick next year on another QB. Unlikely, I know, but not unheard of either. Cards did it this year.
Man, I can't shake the feeling that there is a Daniel Jones every year, there aren't Josh Allens every year.
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for me is that everyone is raging about this yet 90% of you schmucks have never watched this kid play. You are basing your opinions entirely on the opinions of others and fucking YouTube videos. Considering that fact it becomes apparent that these huge over-the-top reactions are completely ridiculous.
I would say it is the opposite - whoever drafted him never watched him play. I went to Duke and watched all or part of most of his games, and I have never viewed him as an NFL starting QB. To me this is a case of evaluating measurable over actual game play, which never works out well. In his Senior Day game he threw for 145 yards and got rolled 59-7 by a Wake Forest team whose defense couldn't stop anyone all year. Drafting him at 6 is a horrible pick.
That Wake Forest game was the real eye opener. You can say what you want about him standing tall about Clemson. But you can't get steamrolled at home by a pitiful Wake Forest team and use, well my team stunk too, as an excuse.
To be fair, Wake's team wasn't pitiful, overall they were pretty good but their defense sucked. But, anyone who played them knew that you had to keep their offense off the field and just wear down their bad defense. Yet Jones kept giving the ball back to them via bad decisions and poor throws. Just absolutely horrible mental and physical QB play in that game.
And speaking of Wake, their prior QB John Wolford had a better college career than Jones, was probably the best overall player in the AAF, and wasn't even drafted. I would take Wolford over Jones 10 times out of 10, yet we inexplicably took Jones with the #6 pick because he worked with Cutcliffe? Cutcliffe isn't the guy throwing the ball. I can't get over how bad this pick is.
Awesome stuff.
Yeah, Gettleman used the #6 pick on a guy based on three minutes of film.
That quote came directly from Gettlemans mouth tonight.
To even mention the Senior bowl game is asinine.
When will people learn that ascribing gospel to media quotes is about the closest thing to garbage that exists?
Dave Brown didn’t fail because of arm strength. Neither did Kerry Collins even on his worst day.
Decision making. Footwork. Ability to see the field while the world is crumbling around him. Toughness. Good health. System around fit. Coaching and maybe even a little luck. And you need enough arm strength. Do some of you truly think the giants ignored jones’ pro days and workouts? Did they look the other way or blindly just say “donnnnnnt care about his terrible arm he’s Eli 2.0 we have to draft him no matter what.”
When was the last time a team drafted a qb super high and that qb failed because his arm was terrible? It’s basically never happened. Stop with this juvenile stupid shit.
Jones ain’t gonna fail because of a weak throwing arm. That’s the easiest fucking thing to scout! His arm is fine. It’s not Marino. It’s not even Eli Manning but it’s probably right around average. His other attributes are what endeared him to the giants.
Or you could just continue believing that the giants drafted a qb with such a bad throwing arm it’s going to sabatoge his career before it even begins. I find that belief to be laughable and stupid.
Dave Brown didn’t fail because of arm strength. Neither did Kerry Collins even on his worst day.
Decision making. Footwork. Ability to see the field while the world is crumbling around him. Toughness. Good health. System around fit. Coaching and maybe even a little luck. And you need enough arm strength. Do some of you truly think the giants ignored jones’ pro days and workouts? Did they look the other way or blindly just say “donnnnnnt care about his terrible arm he’s Eli 2.0 we have to draft him no matter what.”
When was the last time a team drafted a qb super high and that qb failed because his arm was terrible? It’s basically never happened. Stop with this juvenile stupid shit.
Jones ain’t gonna fail because of a weak throwing arm. That’s the easiest fucking thing to scout! His arm is fine. It’s not Marino. It’s not even Eli Manning but it’s probably right around average. His other attributes are what endeared him to the giants.
Or you could just continue believing that the giants drafted a qb with such a bad throwing arm it’s going to sabatoge his career before it even begins. I find that belief to be laughable and stupid.
To be fair, there is a minimum viable arm strength...
My beef with Jones is his decision making is head scratching at times. He is up and down...
Who needs an arm? We did this just to check boxes apparently.
Who needs an arm? We did this just to check boxes apparently.
These dudes are f’ing crazy
We still do not have an offensive tackle or defensive end worth a shit. And you need those to be good, or even mediocre.
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2) I don't buy the comments about making this pick to make Manning comfortable. WTF is that?
3) That said, this pick seems to put a lot of faith in Manning's input, one would think. I don't hate the player, just where they took him with Allen still on the board.
4) Over/under number of games before he is starting? Given the ;ast few years, I'm going with 6.
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
Even if Jones turns out to be a decent QB, it will be a few years, most likely, before we are a good team. That places Barkley at or near the end of his contract and on the back end of most NFL RB careers.
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He had ZERO GUTS tonight. Couldn’t muster up the balls to let Jones fall to him at 17. What an absolute disaster. Worst case scenario they have Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence and their d line could be a strength. Here we sit still with zero plan or talent at center, OT, D-End, Linebacker, or safety.
All the while 26 rots away behind another shitty offensive line featuring chad wheeler getting blown by ALL SEASON. And he’s not that much worse than Solder!
I find a lot of your post exaggerated. But, the one point I have made repeatedly is that it seems we will be wasting the Barkley pick, as his prime years seem more likely to be behind him when this franchise gets it together. This draft, even with 3 decent picks, hasn't changed that. They still have a mediocre, at best and a stretch at that, OL, no other impact players on offense, and no impact players on defense.
Even if Jones turns out to be a decent QB, it will be a few years, most likely, before we are a good team. That places Barkley at or near the end of his contract and on the back end of most NFL RB careers.
I hope I am very wrong.
You can say he was wrong. You can say he was nuts. But you can't say it didn't take guts to make that call.
You can say he was wrong. You can say he was nuts. But you can't say it didn't take guts to make that call.
Which one of you nuts has got any guts?
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This is the part the scares me. Just like his quotes about you don’t give up on talent (but you do) and his “didn’t sign beckhman to trade him”
Gettleman is a fruit loop That obviously can’t be trusted. But at least he will be fired quick if Beckham winds up a Star superbowl player and this jones pick ends up trash.
FUCK YOU GETTLEMAN