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Daniel Jones. Please sell me on this pick.

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/25/2019 10:55 pm
I want to be an optimist. Life is to short to be negative. I saw a couple of Duke games & never came away thinking he was a top 10 pick, but maybe I'm wrong.

So, you Jones fans, tell me why I'm wrong. There's some here. I hope this kid makes me eat crow.
He's a great kid. He's really smart. He played with shitty teammates.  
Anakim : 4/25/2019 10:56 pm : link
Ummm. He has good mobility for someone his size... Uhhh, something about David Cutcliffe...
Youre a Giants fan and will root for them regardless  
TommytheElephant : 4/25/2019 10:56 pm : link
Who is QB

Sold?
this  
giantfan2000 : 4/25/2019 10:56 pm : link
.  
AcesUp : 4/25/2019 10:57 pm : link
He'll be the best Senior Bowl MVP drafted in the last 3 years.
Hes fucking horrible  
Josh in the City : 4/25/2019 10:57 pm : link
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!
QB is such a crap shoot  
bc4life : 4/25/2019 10:57 pm : link
who knows?
Gil Brandt  
10thAve : 4/25/2019 10:57 pm : link
loves him.
Link - ( New Window )
He doesnt have a kid like Allen  
Hsilwek92 : 4/25/2019 10:57 pm : link
That makes him great for the culture change, or so Ive heard here from some moron.
65  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 10:58 pm : link
Mobile
Accurate
Good arm
Tough

Ignore his stats, his team wa pathetic.

I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didnt reach on Haskins
RE: Hes fucking horrible  
Essex : 4/25/2019 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14407829 Josh in the City said:
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!


I hoe someone is saving theses
Does this guy  
TommyWiseau : 4/25/2019 10:58 pm : link
Really have a better 3 cone time then Devin White and Bush?
Already doubting him  
Chef : 4/25/2019 10:58 pm : link
He is the next Giant QB... give him a chance!
I mean now I have to hope this guy is the real deal.  
The_Boss : 4/25/2019 10:59 pm : link
And not who I think he is, which is a poor QB.
RE: Hes fucking horrible  
McNally's_Nuts : 4/25/2019 10:59 pm : link
In comment 14407829 Josh in the City said:
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!


Youre a fucking insufferable poster
Here you go...  
Amtoft : 4/25/2019 10:59 pm : link
He is very under rated in not only this site, but with the media. He is very accurate in short to mid passes. He has great feet, great coaching, leader, high character.

Here is the other thing Josh Allen was on the board... This isn't a we took a QB to take a QB. No one would have thought twice if we took Josh Allen. We took him because we had him rated as one of the highest players in the draft. Other teams were said to love Jones and wanted to move up to take him.
I don't like the pick..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/25/2019 11:00 pm : link
but with Cincy getting jumped by Pittsburgh for Bush they likely take Jones there, as would Washington.

If you said at the beginning of the night we'd get Lawrence at #6 and Jones at #17, I don't think there'd be too much hand wringing, so the argument is more about positional value than anything else.

Jones has to become a franchise guy or the pick likely blows.
RE: RE: Hes fucking horrible  
Josh in the City : 4/25/2019 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14407840 Essex said:
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In comment 14407829 Josh in the City said:


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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!



I hoe someone is saving theses

I am. So I can tell you I told you so. HE FUCKING SUCKS!!
He will probably be better than at least 2  
santacruzom : 4/25/2019 11:00 pm : link
QBs chosen after him in this draft.
RE: Hes fucking horrible  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/25/2019 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14407829 Josh in the City said:
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!


LOL. 365 more days of this?
We didn't take your guy!! Fire everyone!!!
Yet another  
McNally's_Nuts : 4/25/2019 11:01 pm : link
year of JOSH whining about not taking Sam Darnold
RE: RE: Hes fucking horrible  
The_Boss : 4/25/2019 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14407840 Essex said:
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In comment 14407829 Josh in the City said:


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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!



I hoe someone is saving theses


Id love nothing more than for the majority of bbiers, myself included, to look like complete horses asses in 2 years.
One of my best friends son...is one of Jones best friends  
George from PA : 4/25/2019 11:02 pm : link
Who knew????

My buddy (the entire family is die hard Giants fans, like me) says...he actually think he is more Peyton then Eli. The kid refuses to fail. Brighter then everyone. Works harder then everyone.

Now, He feels....it would have been so much better at 17, instead of 6. As no one else was chasing him.

My buddy son spent last weekend at Duke with him


RE: Gil Brandt  
cokeduplt : 4/25/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14407832 10thAve said:
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loves him. Link - ( New Window )



This actually makes me feel a little better. I value Brandts opinion more than just about anyones
RE: 65  
bigbluescot : 4/25/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14407838 GothamGiants said:
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Mobile
Accurate
Good arm
Tough

Ignore his stats, his team wa pathetic.

I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didnt reach on Haskins


He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.

His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.
RE: I don't like the pick..  
Leg of Theismann : 4/25/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14407862 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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but with Cincy getting jumped by Pittsburgh for Bush they likely take Jones there, as would Washington.

If you said at the beginning of the night we'd get Lawrence at #6 and Jones at #17, I don't think there'd be too much hand wringing, so the argument is more about positional value than anything else.

Jones has to become a franchise guy or the pick likely blows.


I don't think I saw Lawrence going as high as #6 anywhere. But then again a lot of people wanted Sweat at #6 and Jones at #17 and the Giants passed on Sweat for Lawrence. At the end of the day I guess we know who's going to be a hit and who's going to be a miss.

Still would have been nice to have Allen, though.
I'll tell you what  
Canton : 4/25/2019 11:02 pm : link
His team mates didn't do him any favors. He made great throws (from what I've seen in his highlight tape) but his WR's, Backs, and TE's dropped like 90% of them.

Like another poster said, put him behind that Ohio line and he would've most likely been touted as a top 5 pick.


RE: RE: Hes fucking horrible  
The_Boss : 4/25/2019 11:03 pm : link
In comment 14407873 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14407829 Josh in the City said:


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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!



LOL. 365 more days of this?
We didn't take your guy!! Fire everyone!!!


Lets be fair for a moment. You dont like Jones either. Youve posted such for weeks.
No trade up.  
St. Jimmy : 4/25/2019 11:03 pm : link
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Gil Brandt says  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/25/2019 11:03 pm : link
Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar
...  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 11:04 pm : link
If you told me this morning that the giants would have a chance to land Josh Allen and dexter Lawrence without a trade up, I wouldve been doing cartwheels

Some well respected scouts like Jones, I like Jones after digging into him a lot (Manning connect, Senior Bowl MVP - so predictable)

Ill put it this way, if Josh Allen was gone Id feel a lot better about the pick. Its just hard for me to fathom the idea that they couldve instantly fixed their defensive front 7 overnight, but oh well.

Jones is not the bum some want to proclaim he is. Hes got talent

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Canton : 4/25/2019 11:04 pm : link
In comment 14407889 bigbluescot said:
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Mobile
Accurate
Good arm
Tough

Ignore his stats, his team wa pathetic.

I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didnt reach on Haskins



He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.

His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.


I don't know what the fuck you were seeing. His throws were there. His teammates fukin dropped everything.
I listened to this a couple weeks ago  
AcesUp : 4/25/2019 11:05 pm : link
I don't care how down you are on Daniel Jones, if you listen to this you will feel better about him.

They interview his family and coaches. Everybody raves about him.
Daniel Jones 360 - 'Move the Sticks' podcast - ( New Window )
Cutcliffe raves  
gogiants : 4/25/2019 11:05 pm : link
about him
https://nypost.com/2019/04/22/a-mix-of-peyton-and-eli-daniel-jones-is-perfect-fit-for-giants-in-nfl-draft/ - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: Hes fucking horrible  
Giants38 : 4/25/2019 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14407878 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14407829 Josh in the City said:


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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!



I hoe someone is saving theses



Id love nothing more than for the majority of bbiers, myself included, to look like complete horses asses in 2 years.


No poster is insufferable for bitching about this pick. Did you read the NY Post Article on this. Here are a couple quotes:

It is almost as if the Giants searched for the closest quarterback they could find to Manning. Jones is something of a Manning clone, except coming into the NFL he is not viewed anywhere close to the top-end prospect Manning was in 2004. Jones looks a bit like Manning and was coached at Duke by David Cutcliffe, Mannings coach at Ole Miss and big brother Peyton Mannings position coach at Tennessee.

Hes got a lot of the same mannerisms as Eli, an NFL source and talent evaluator who specializes in quarterbacks told The Post. After he throws he has the shoulder shrug. Eli will throw it and then kind of shrug his shoulder.

We picked a guy not because of what he does on the field. But he because he looks like Eli, was coached by Eli's coach, and is mature. And I really think that if he was not coached by Cutcliffe, Haskins would have been the picked.

And where in the heck is JTGIants?
He's tough as nails.  
Mr. Bungle : 4/25/2019 11:06 pm : link
He's a hard worker.

He's got great touch on his passes.

He's the most mobile Giants QB you've ever seen.

He doesn't turn the ball over.

He's got great size for the pro position.

He won't embarrass the organization.
Accurate. Makes the right throws.  
kelsto811 : 4/25/2019 11:06 pm : link
Perfect mechanics. Tough runner and competitor.

Most of all. he's going to represent your NYG for the next decade. His road ahead looks like it will be as tough as Eli's. Another underdog you can root for and watch prove people wrong.
RE: Gil Brandt says  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14407906 gidiefor said:
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Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar


Gil and Cosell and Sy and I like Jones ... at least the giants werent blinded by Haskins pretty stats.

And imagine..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/25/2019 11:07 pm : link
that. I don't like Jones and still can come off not looking like a whiny cunt.

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Lets be fair for a moment. You dont like Jones either. Youve posted such for weeks.


Josh watched Darnold be pedestrian last year and Barkley do very well and still posted constantly about firing Gettleman and how it was a terrible pick.

I also wanted the giants to draft Darnold last year (and actually wanted them to draft Lamar Jackson before he started flaking off with his mom as his agent).

I have reservations about Jones. But I'm more sure that Josh is a shitty poster than Jones is a poor QB.
RE: RE: 65  
Amtoft : 4/25/2019 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14407889 bigbluescot said:
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Mobile
Accurate
Good arm
Tough

Ignore his stats, his team wa pathetic.

I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didnt reach on Haskins



He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.

His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.


You are wrong.
I am struggling to think of a player...  
bw in dc : 4/25/2019 11:08 pm : link
who has been taken as high as Jones with essentially no plus or plus-plus ability.

Sorry, but it's a near impossible sell because the value at #6 just wasn't there.

In fact, there were better players at every other single position of importance on the board who were considerably better than Jones.

This was the essence of poor draft management.
Personally I just hate the "he wasn't surrounded by talent" argument  
Leg of Theismann : 4/25/2019 11:08 pm : link
I HATE when you have to make excuses/rationalizations for why a guy is going to be good. You should just be able to turn on the tape and see he's a great player (if you're taking him at #6 at least). I don't see that with Jones.

So he's a hard-worker and a great teammate. Davis Webb said he was going to work harder than anyone's ever worked. It didn't end up mattering because he wasn't any good. He sucked. You have to actually be good at football to be good at it. It doesn't matter who your mentor was or how "rah rah" of a teammate you are.

A lot of people knocked Haskins for having such great talent around him and that being the reason his stats were so good. I still say you can't just put any QB in any system and watch him throw 50 TDs, otherwise guys would be doing it every freakin' year (they're not, those 50 TDs broke Drew Brees' Big 10 record). Not to mention the Ohio St. offense really wasn't tailored to Haskins's strengths as a QB. How confident are we Jones would have thrown 50 TDs if he played at Ohio St.?
He s big Strong and mobile  
joeinpa : 4/25/2019 11:09 pm : link
A great athlete, who sees the field and has a good touch on his throws

Kid is going to be very good.

Ignore the naysayers who speak with such conviction about a player well thought of inside NFL circles.


Funny Twitter Poll from this afternoon...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/25/2019 11:10 pm : link
"For Giants/Knicks fans, would you be okay with the Giants drafting Daniel Jones if that guaranteed the Knicks would get Zion Williamson this summer?"

The poll was 86% YES... 14% NO
RE: He's tough as nails.  
Since1965 : 4/25/2019 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14407926 Mr. Bungle said:
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He's a hard worker.

He's got great touch on his passes.

He's the most mobile Giants QB you've ever seen.

He doesn't turn the ball over.

He's got great size for the pro position.

He won't embarrass the organization.

"He's the most mobile Giants QB you've ever seen. Uh..... Gary Wood and Fran Tarkenton.
He's a solid round 1 NFL quarterback prospect  
MM_in_NYC : 4/25/2019 11:13 pm : link
The negatives you've heard about him, such as arm strength, are overblown. He in fact has a average NFL arm and can likely improve it with strength training. His timing on throws is excellent. He's tough as shit. You almost always have to pass on better talent at other positions to draft quarterbacks because quarterback position is that valuable. We don't have to draft a QB never year when we suck because this year our defense will be fucking disgraceful. Allen was overrated and too one dimensional, that's why he wasn't picked top 5.
It has to be said every year with the draft  
Oscar : 4/25/2019 11:13 pm : link
But nobody knows shit. The guy you saw who just did a good tweet does not know shit. The former player sitting on a panel on ESPN does not know shit. Football analytics guy who came up with some projection system does not know shit. The beat writer who will go in FAN tomorrow and trash the pick does not know shit.

None of us know fucking dick about about this kid will do in the pros. Just chill and see how it plays out.
Two-time team captain.  
CT Charlie : 4/25/2019 11:14 pm : link
Mobile for a tall guy, scored 17 rushing TD's, which Shurmur might like in comparison to Haskins. No question marks about character, thanks to the Mannings and Cutliffe -- though Haskins is high quality, too. Strange logic: If Eli is bad this season, there will probably be less fan demand for Jones than there would have been for Haskins or Rosen, simply because they're sexier choices. One of the top 2-3 Wonderlic scores among QB's. Known to be exceptionally hard worker -- first in, last out. Charlie Casserly called him the most NFL-ready QB in the draft, and Gil Brandt basically said he's a more athletic version of Peyton. Tough kid, broke his collarbone and was playing, with screws in, 20 days later.
Well, I dont like the pick.  
bigbluehoya : 4/25/2019 11:15 pm : link
Sounds like hell be an easy enough kid to root for, though.
RE: Funny Twitter Poll from this afternoon...  
bigbluehoya : 4/25/2019 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14407968 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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"For Giants/Knicks fans, would you be okay with the Giants drafting Daniel Jones if that guaranteed the Knicks would get Zion Williamson this summer?"

The poll was 86% YES... 14% NO


Id agree with the people! Make it so.
Cant sell it  
Rflairr : 4/25/2019 11:16 pm : link
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RE: Gil Brandt says  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/25/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14407906 gidiefor said:
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Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar


Their college stats are similar... except for the fact they're NOT. Manning played in an offense with infinitely less screens and dump-offs, yet completed more passes for FAR more TDs, while getting picked off less often, and averaging a far superior yards per attempt.

Look at the best QBs in the NFL. With the exception of Tom Brady (who was a 6th round draft pick), they all put up superior numbers in college to Jones.
RE: RE: RE: 65  
bigbluescot : 4/25/2019 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14407941 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14407838 GothamGiants said:


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Mobile
Accurate
Good arm
Tough

Ignore his stats, his team wa pathetic.

I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didnt reach on Haskins



He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.

His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.



You are wrong.


Nope. I'm right based on production, everything else is excuse making about the lack of talent around him. Yes, they had a lot of drops last year, but ultimately over a career he's still got a completion rate of under 60% in an offense with a shit ton of RPO's and short passing.
RE: Hes fucking horrible  
MookGiants : 4/25/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14407829 Josh in the City said:
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!


Jesus christ im not a huge Jones fan but calling him a day three guy is incredibly dumb
RE: RE: Hes fucking horrible  
Del Shofner : 4/25/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14408057 MookGiants said:
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In comment 14407829 Josh in the City said:


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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!



Jesus christ im not a huge Jones fan but calling him a day three guy is incredibly dumb


Tom Brady was a day three guy too.
RE: He s big Strong and mobile  
bigbluescot : 4/25/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14407960 joeinpa said:
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A great athlete, who sees the field and has a good touch on his throws

Kid is going to be very good.

Ignore the naysayers who speak with such conviction about a player well thought of inside NFL circles.



Again statistically, almost all of his production was on the first read. One source said only 6% of his throws were when he went off the first read but to be fair the article is pretty thin (https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2019-contextualized-quarterbacking-duke-qb-daniel-jones). However when you watch Duke games it's noticeable. It's a heavy rpo and short passing offense.

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Jones was primarily asked to execute 0/1-step drops, RPOs, screens, and rollouts, concepts that generally indicate simpler, or even singular, reads. He did so on a whopping 72.6% of his dropbacks, the eighth-highest rate among 164 quarterbacks who dropped back 100+ times in 2018. To give you an idea of how that might translate to the NFL, Nick Foles had the highest rate of 43 NFL quarterbacks at 58.3%. Only two other quarterbacks did so at a rate above 50%, and the average rate among quarterbacks who dropped back at least 100 times was 33.8%.

Link - ( New Window )
RE: Cant sell it  
Canton : 4/25/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14408033 Rflairr said:
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Sure we can.
If he can build his arm strength then maybe...  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/25/2019 11:27 pm : link
...he can be a starting QB. Thats all I got.

Im used to saying that about 3rd rounders [smh]
RE: Gil Brandt says  
twostepgiants : 4/25/2019 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14407906 gidiefor said:
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Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar


Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.

Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)

Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)

To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.

Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.

Or

Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game

He's got great hair and an award-winning smile.  
Klaatu : 4/25/2019 11:32 pm : link
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RE: RE: Gil Brandt says  
Johnny5 : 4/25/2019 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14408152 twostepgiants said:
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In comment 14407906 gidiefor said:


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Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar



Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.

Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)

Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)

To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.

Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.

Or

Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game

Pretty sure that the mid 90's Vols were a slightly better overall team than Duke.
RE: RE: RE: Gil Brandt says  
twostepgiants : 4/25/2019 11:53 pm : link
In comment 14408193 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 14408152 twostepgiants said:


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In comment 14407906 gidiefor said:


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Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar



Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.

Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)

Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)

To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.

Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.

Or

Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game



Pretty sure that the mid 90's Vols were a slightly better overall team than Duke.


Im sorry but did the post not say stats eeerily similar?
I thought Jones was the best QB in this class  
Go Terps : 4/26/2019 12:00 am : link
Highest upside.
RE: I thought Jones was the best QB in this class  
bw in dc : 4/26/2019 12:02 am : link
In comment 14408463 Go Terps said:
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Highest upside.


If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)
RE: RE: I thought Jones was the best QB in this class  
Go Terps : 4/26/2019 12:04 am : link
In comment 14408490 bw in dc said:
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Highest upside.



If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)


It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.
Congrats GT  
figgy2989 : 4/26/2019 12:05 am : link
Great news for you and the Mrs. Best of luck to you guys.
RE: Congrats GT  
Go Terps : 4/26/2019 12:10 am : link
In comment 14408517 figgy2989 said:
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Great news for you and the Mrs. Best of luck to you guys.


Thanks!
RE: RE: RE: I thought Jones was the best QB in this class  
bw in dc : 4/26/2019 12:11 am : link
In comment 14408506 Go Terps said:
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It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.


Congrats. Great news.

I know we differ on Jones, but I'd be careful putting that name in the hat. :)
RE: RE: RE: I thought Jones was the best QB in this class  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2019 12:12 am : link
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Highest upside.



If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)



It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.


Congrats, man.

As for Jones and the thread... well, he wasn't my favorite QB in this class, but I do think he does some things well and there's room to grow. I think he'll be a good fit for Shurmur's offense.

Barkley is going to be the centerpiece. We're not going to be a team that's slinging the ball 700 times like the Steelers did last year. Tate and Shepard are guys who will get open underneath and in the flats and make things happen with the ball in their hands.

I want to move Engram outside a bit or draft a WR with a little outside size. Jones throws the ball with great touch into the back corners of the endzone. A big target for him in there would pay huge dividends I think. That looked to me like a major strength of his.
RE: Accurate. Makes the right throws.  
Danny80 : 4/26/2019 12:13 am : link
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Perfect mechanics. Tough runner and competitor.

Most of all. he's going to represent your NYG for the next decade. His road ahead looks like it will be as tough as Eli's. Another underdog you can root for and watch prove people wrong.


Eli was an underdog?? In what world? He was the consensus #1 pick in the draft who the giants traded part of their draft and the next for in order to get him. Eli was never an underdog until later in his career when he (naturally) lost a bit. It's no knock on Eli that he's a human being whose physical skills naturally atrophy after not missing a single football game for 14 seasons. It's just life.
RE: RE: He's tough as nails.  
Mr. Bungle : 4/26/2019 12:16 am : link
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He's a hard worker.

He's got great touch on his passes.

He's the most mobile Giants QB you've ever seen.

He doesn't turn the ball over.

He's got great size for the pro position.

He won't embarrass the organization.


"He's the most mobile Giants QB you've ever seen. Uh..... Gary Wood and Fran Tarkenton.

SFNCIPAGiantsFan isn't old enough for them.
RE: RE: RE: I thought Jones was the best QB in this class  
Mr. Bungle : 4/26/2019 12:17 am : link
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Highest upside.



If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)



It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.

Congrats!
Todd McShay  
Carl in CT : 4/26/2019 12:18 am : link
Never be more than a backup. Wow.
RE: RE: RE: I thought Jones was the best QB in this class  
christian : 4/26/2019 12:27 am : link
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Highest upside.



If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)



It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.


Congrats dude!
I never wrote much on here about Jones  
.McL. : 4/26/2019 12:42 am : link
Because for me he was never a consideration...
I have crapped all over Herbert for his lack of ability to see the field nad for poor decision making.

The problem for me, is Jones seemd to be worse than Herbert in that department, and that is just killer for a QB therese days. They have to be able to process the field faster than ever, and make good decisions quickly. I just didn't see that in Jones. He looks the part, does some nice things at times, but his decision making is rough, and I am not sure how coachable that is at this point.

He is a Giant now, and we all have to hope for the best.
RE: One of my best friends son...is one of Jones best friends  
cosmicj : 4/26/2019 1:26 am : link
In comment 14407885 George from PA said:
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Who knew????

My buddy (the entire family is die hard Giants fans, like me) says...he actually think he is more Peyton then Eli. The kid refuses to fail. Brighter then everyone. Works harder then everyone.

Now, He feels....it would have been so much better at 17, instead of 6. As no one else was chasing him.

My buddy son spent last weekend at Duke with him

This post is remarkable. George- I would start being pretty careful about what you post on BBI. Youre likely to start hearing scraps of inside info beyond what the press hears.
One thing worth mentioning is that Jones is young.  
cosmicj : 4/26/2019 1:31 am : link
Hes 21 and will turn 22 next month. Im disappointed in the pick but drafting is about projecting and there is the possibility that he can develop athletically (throwing) in a significant way based on his age.
'Please sell me on this pick'...  
Torrag : 4/26/2019 1:32 am : link
Only Jones can do that now...and you'll have to watch for a few years to have closure.
One thing Peyton had over Eli  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/26/2019 2:58 am : link
Was that he was willing to be the asshole and hold people accountable all the time. I hope Jones brings that with him as well.
I couldnt imagine  
darren in pdx : 4/26/2019 3:07 am : link
being a Cards fan. One of my co-workers in LA is one. Spending a #10 and then a #1 on QBs two years in a row..and looking like you will only get peanuts back for one of them, or hold onto them and cause yourself an instant QB controversy.
NCAA rules and regulations dicate  
BigBlueCane : 4/26/2019 4:45 am : link
that coaches have very limited time to actually coach their players so unless its Bama or similar, where the rules don't matter...

most college schemes are going to be fairly easy to understand and grasp.

And when you don't have any help (read: talent) on offense, its very easy to over-compensate and try to play perfect which results in worse outcomes.
We have  
Les in TO : 4/26/2019 6:06 am : link
A good track record taking 6 foot 5 Duke QBs in the first round
RE: RE: RE: RE: Gil Brandt says  
Johnny5 : 4/26/2019 9:58 am : link
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Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar



Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.

Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)

Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)

To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.

Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.

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Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game



Pretty sure that the mid 90's Vols were a slightly better overall team than Duke.



Im sorry but did the post not say stats eeerily similar?

Yep I was just adding that for emphasis
RE: Hes fucking horrible  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2019 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14407829 Josh in the City said:
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!

Josh's annual post-draft meltdown has begun!
Still pretty lukewarm  
Kyle in NY : 4/26/2019 3:13 pm : link
on the pick but one thing I absolutely like about him is the size/mobility combination. He is not a statue back there, saw more than a few examples of him breaking away on runs in the secondary or just showing good movement in the pocket.

Really needed that in our next QB, somebody with an ability to extend plays if necessary. He certainly does that better than Haskins can, and I'm a noted fan of Haskins.
Josh in the City  
Ryan in Albany : 4/26/2019 3:22 pm : link
would be the first poster I block if that feature existed here.

What a bag of cramps.
RE: RE: Hes fucking horrible  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2019 3:29 pm : link
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesnt get any worse. Fire gettleman!



LOL. 365 more days of this?
We didn't take your guy!! Fire everyone!!!

365? It's been multiple years of the same shit from Josh during/after every draft. What makes you think it's going to stop next year?

The real bright side is that we're closer to it being 365 days until Josh's next tantrum. At least we get a respite for almost a year.
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