I want to be an optimist. Life is to short to be negative. I saw a couple of Duke games & never came away thinking he was a top 10 pick, but maybe I'm wrong.
So, you Jones fans, tell me why I'm wrong. There's some here. I hope this kid makes me eat crow.
He's a great kid. He's really smart. He played with shitty teammates. Â
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
He is very under rated in not only this site, but with the media. He is very accurate in short to mid passes. He has great feet, great coaching, leader, high character.
Here is the other thing Josh Allen was on the board... This isn't a we took a QB to take a QB. No one would have thought twice if we took Josh Allen. We took him because we had him rated as one of the highest players in the draft. Other teams were said to love Jones and wanted to move up to take him.
but with Cincy getting jumped by Pittsburgh for Bush they likely take Jones there, as would Washington.
If you said at the beginning of the night we'd get Lawrence at #6 and Jones at #17, I don't think there'd be too much hand wringing, so the argument is more about positional value than anything else.
Jones has to become a franchise guy or the pick likely blows.
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
I hoe someone is saving theses
I am. So I can tell you I told you so. HE FUCKING SUCKS!!
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
LOL. 365 more days of this?
We didn't take your guy!! Fire everyone!!!
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
I hoe someone is saving theses
I’d love nothing more than for the majority of bbi’ers, myself included, to look like complete horses’ asses in 2 years.
One of my best friends son...is one of Jones best friends Â
My buddy (the entire family is die hard Giants fans, like me) says...he actually think he is more Peyton then Eli. The kid refuses to fail. Brighter then everyone. Works harder then everyone.
Now, He feels....it would have been so much better at 17, instead of 6. As no one else was chasing him.
I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didn’t reach on Haskins
He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.
His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.
but with Cincy getting jumped by Pittsburgh for Bush they likely take Jones there, as would Washington.
If you said at the beginning of the night we'd get Lawrence at #6 and Jones at #17, I don't think there'd be too much hand wringing, so the argument is more about positional value than anything else.
Jones has to become a franchise guy or the pick likely blows.
I don't think I saw Lawrence going as high as #6 anywhere. But then again a lot of people wanted Sweat at #6 and Jones at #17 and the Giants passed on Sweat for Lawrence. At the end of the day I guess we know who's going to be a hit and who's going to be a miss.
His team mates didn't do him any favors. He made great throws (from what I've seen in his highlight tape) but his WR's, Backs, and TE's dropped like 90% of them.
Like another poster said, put him behind that Ohio line and he would've most likely been touted as a top 5 pick.
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
LOL. 365 more days of this?
We didn't take your guy!! Fire everyone!!!
Let’s be fair for a moment. You don’t like Jones either. You’ve posted such for weeks.
If you told me this morning that the giants would have a chance to land Josh Allen and dexter Lawrence without a trade up, I would’ve been doing cartwheels
Some well respected scouts like Jones, I like Jones after digging into him a lot (Manning connect, Senior Bowl MVP - so predictable)
I’ll put it this way, if Josh Allen was gone I’d feel a lot better about the pick. It’s just hard for me to fathom the idea that they could’ve instantly fixed their defensive front 7 overnight, but oh well.
Jones is not the bum some want to proclaim he is. He’s got talent
I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didn’t reach on Haskins
He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.
His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.
I don't know what the fuck you were seeing. His throws were there. His teammates fukin dropped everything.
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
I hoe someone is saving theses
I’d love nothing more than for the majority of bbi’ers, myself included, to look like complete horses’ asses in 2 years.
No poster is insufferable for bitching about this pick. Did you read the NY Post Article on this. Here are a couple quotes:
It is almost as if the Giants searched for the closest quarterback they could find to Manning. Jones is something of a Manning clone, except coming into the NFL he is not viewed anywhere close to the top-end prospect Manning was in 2004. Jones looks a bit like Manning and was coached at Duke by David Cutcliffe, Manning’s coach at Ole Miss and big brother Peyton Manning’s position coach at Tennessee.
“He’s got a lot of the same mannerisms as Eli,’’ an NFL source and talent evaluator who specializes in quarterbacks told The Post. “After he throws he has the shoulder shrug. Eli will throw it and then kind of shrug his shoulder.’’
We picked a guy not because of what he does on the field. But he because he looks like Eli, was coached by Eli's coach, and is mature. And I really think that if he was not coached by Cutcliffe, Haskins would have been the picked.
Most of all. he's going to represent your NYG for the next decade. His road ahead looks like it will be as tough as Eli's. Another underdog you can root for and watch prove people wrong.
that. I don't like Jones and still can come off not looking like a whiny cunt.
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Let’s be fair for a moment. You don’t like Jones either. You’ve posted such for weeks.
Josh watched Darnold be pedestrian last year and Barkley do very well and still posted constantly about firing Gettleman and how it was a terrible pick.
I also wanted the giants to draft Darnold last year (and actually wanted them to draft Lamar Jackson before he started flaking off with his mom as his agent).
I have reservations about Jones. But I'm more sure that Josh is a shitty poster than Jones is a poor QB.
I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didn’t reach on Haskins
He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.
His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.
I HATE when you have to make excuses/rationalizations for why a guy is going to be good. You should just be able to turn on the tape and see he's a great player (if you're taking him at #6 at least). I don't see that with Jones.
So he's a hard-worker and a great teammate. Davis Webb said he was going to work harder than anyone's ever worked. It didn't end up mattering because he wasn't any good. He sucked. You have to actually be good at football to be good at it. It doesn't matter who your mentor was or how "rah rah" of a teammate you are.
A lot of people knocked Haskins for having such great talent around him and that being the reason his stats were so good. I still say you can't just put any QB in any system and watch him throw 50 TDs, otherwise guys would be doing it every freakin' year (they're not, those 50 TDs broke Drew Brees' Big 10 record). Not to mention the Ohio St. offense really wasn't tailored to Haskins's strengths as a QB. How confident are we Jones would have thrown 50 TDs if he played at Ohio St.?
The negatives you've heard about him, such as arm strength, are overblown. He in fact has a average NFL arm and can likely improve it with strength training. His timing on throws is excellent. He's tough as shit. You almost always have to pass on better talent at other positions to draft quarterbacks because quarterback position is that valuable. We don't have to draft a QB never year when we suck because this year our defense will be fucking disgraceful. Allen was overrated and too one dimensional, that's why he wasn't picked top 5.
But nobody knows shit. The guy you saw who just did a good tweet does not know shit. The former player sitting on a panel on ESPN does not know shit. Football analytics guy who came up with some projection system does not know shit. The beat writer who will go in FAN tomorrow and trash the pick does not know shit.
None of us know fucking dick about about this kid will do in the pros. Just chill and see how it plays out.
Mobile for a tall guy, scored 17 rushing TD's, which Shurmur might like in comparison to Haskins. No question marks about character, thanks to the Mannings and Cutliffe -- though Haskins is high quality, too. Strange logic: If Eli is bad this season, there will probably be less fan demand for Jones than there would have been for Haskins or Rosen, simply because they're sexier choices. One of the top 2-3 Wonderlic scores among QB's. Known to be exceptionally hard worker -- first in, last out. Charlie Casserly called him the most NFL-ready QB in the draft, and Gil Brandt basically said he's a more athletic version of Peyton. Tough kid, broke his collarbone and was playing, with screws in, 20 days later.
Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar
Their college stats are similar... except for the fact they're NOT. Manning played in an offense with infinitely less screens and dump-offs, yet completed more passes for FAR more TDs, while getting picked off less often, and averaging a far superior yards per attempt.
Look at the best QBs in the NFL. With the exception of Tom Brady (who was a 6th round draft pick), they all put up superior numbers in college to Jones.
I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didn’t reach on Haskins
He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.
His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.
You are wrong.
Nope. I'm right based on production, everything else is excuse making about the lack of talent around him. Yes, they had a lot of drops last year, but ultimately over a career he's still got a completion rate of under 60% in an offense with a shit ton of RPO's and short passing.
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
Jesus christ im not a huge Jones fan but calling him a day three guy is incredibly dumb
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
Jesus christ im not a huge Jones fan but calling him a day three guy is incredibly dumb
A great athlete, who sees the field and has a good touch on his throws
Kid is going to be very good.
Ignore the naysayers who speak with such conviction about a player well thought of inside NFL circles.
Again statistically, almost all of his production was on the first read. One source said only 6% of his throws were when he went off the first read but to be fair the article is pretty thin (https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2019-contextualized-quarterbacking-duke-qb-daniel-jones). However when you watch Duke games it's noticeable. It's a heavy rpo and short passing offense.
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Jones was primarily asked to execute 0/1-step drops, RPOs, screens, and rollouts, concepts that generally indicate simpler, or even singular, reads. He did so on a whopping 72.6% of his dropbacks, the eighth-highest rate among 164 quarterbacks who dropped back 100+ times in 2018. To give you an idea of how that might translate to the NFL, Nick Foles had the highest rate of 43 NFL quarterbacks at 58.3%. Only two other quarterbacks did so at a rate above 50%, and the average rate among quarterbacks who dropped back at least 100 times was 33.8%.
Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar
Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.
Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)
Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)
To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.
Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.
Or
Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game
Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar
Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.
Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)
Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)
To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.
Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.
Or
Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game
Pretty sure that the mid 90's Vols were a slightly better overall team than Duke.
Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar
Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.
Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)
Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)
To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.
Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.
Or
Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game
Pretty sure that the mid 90's Vols were a slightly better overall team than Duke.
I’m sorry but did the post not say “stats eeerily similar”?
If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)
It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.
Congrats, man.
As for Jones and the thread... well, he wasn't my favorite QB in this class, but I do think he does some things well and there's room to grow. I think he'll be a good fit for Shurmur's offense.
Barkley is going to be the centerpiece. We're not going to be a team that's slinging the ball 700 times like the Steelers did last year. Tate and Shepard are guys who will get open underneath and in the flats and make things happen with the ball in their hands.
I want to move Engram outside a bit or draft a WR with a little outside size. Jones throws the ball with great touch into the back corners of the endzone. A big target for him in there would pay huge dividends I think. That looked to me like a major strength of his.
Most of all. he's going to represent your NYG for the next decade. His road ahead looks like it will be as tough as Eli's. Another underdog you can root for and watch prove people wrong.
Eli was an underdog?? In what world? He was the consensus #1 pick in the draft who the giants traded part of their draft and the next for in order to get him. Eli was never an underdog until later in his career when he (naturally) lost a bit. It's no knock on Eli that he's a human being whose physical skills naturally atrophy after not missing a single football game for 14 seasons. It's just life.
Because for me he was never a consideration...
I have crapped all over Herbert for his lack of ability to see the field nad for poor decision making.
The problem for me, is Jones seemd to be worse than Herbert in that department, and that is just killer for a QB therese days. They have to be able to process the field faster than ever, and make good decisions quickly. I just didn't see that in Jones. He looks the part, does some nice things at times, but his decision making is rough, and I am not sure how coachable that is at this point.
He is a Giant now, and we all have to hope for the best.
RE: One of my best friends son...is one of Jones best friends Â
My buddy (the entire family is die hard Giants fans, like me) says...he actually think he is more Peyton then Eli. The kid refuses to fail. Brighter then everyone. Works harder then everyone.
Now, He feels....it would have been so much better at 17, instead of 6. As no one else was chasing him.
My buddy son spent last weekend at Duke with him
This post is remarkable. George- I would start being pretty careful about what you post on BBI. You’re likely to start hearing scraps of inside info beyond what the press hears.
One thing worth mentioning is that Jones is young. Â
He’s 21 and will turn 22 next month. I’m disappointed in the pick but drafting is about projecting and there is the possibility that he can develop athletically (throwing) in a significant way based on his age.
being a Cards fan. One of my co-workers in LA is one. Spending a #10 and then a #1 on QB’s two years in a row..and looking like you will only get peanuts back for one of them, or hold onto them and cause yourself an instant QB controversy.
Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar
Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.
Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)
Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)
To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.
Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.
Or
Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game
Pretty sure that the mid 90's Vols were a slightly better overall team than Duke.
I’m sorry but did the post not say “stats eeerily similar”?
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
on the pick but one thing I absolutely like about him is the size/mobility combination. He is not a statue back there, saw more than a few examples of him breaking away on runs in the secondary or just showing good movement in the pocket.
Really needed that in our next QB, somebody with an ability to extend plays if necessary. He certainly does that better than Haskins can, and I'm a noted fan of Haskins.
Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
LOL. 365 more days of this?
We didn't take your guy!! Fire everyone!!!
365? It's been multiple years of the same shit from Josh during/after every draft. What makes you think it's going to stop next year?
The real bright side is that we're closer to it being 365 days until Josh's next tantrum. At least we get a respite for almost a year.
Sold?
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Accurate
Good arm
Tough
Ignore his stats, his team wa pathetic.
I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didn’t reach on Haskins
I hoe someone is saving theses
You’re a fucking insufferable poster
Here is the other thing Josh Allen was on the board... This isn't a we took a QB to take a QB. No one would have thought twice if we took Josh Allen. We took him because we had him rated as one of the highest players in the draft. Other teams were said to love Jones and wanted to move up to take him.
If you said at the beginning of the night we'd get Lawrence at #6 and Jones at #17, I don't think there'd be too much hand wringing, so the argument is more about positional value than anything else.
Jones has to become a franchise guy or the pick likely blows.
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
I hoe someone is saving theses
I am. So I can tell you I told you so. HE FUCKING SUCKS!!
LOL. 365 more days of this?
We didn't take your guy!! Fire everyone!!!
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
I hoe someone is saving theses
I’d love nothing more than for the majority of bbi’ers, myself included, to look like complete horses’ asses in 2 years.
My buddy (the entire family is die hard Giants fans, like me) says...he actually think he is more Peyton then Eli. The kid refuses to fail. Brighter then everyone. Works harder then everyone.
Now, He feels....it would have been so much better at 17, instead of 6. As no one else was chasing him.
My buddy son spent last weekend at Duke with him
This actually makes me feel a little better. I value Brandt’s opinion more than just about anyone’s
Accurate
Good arm
Tough
Ignore his stats, his team wa pathetic.
I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didn’t reach on Haskins
He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.
His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.
If you said at the beginning of the night we'd get Lawrence at #6 and Jones at #17, I don't think there'd be too much hand wringing, so the argument is more about positional value than anything else.
Jones has to become a franchise guy or the pick likely blows.
I don't think I saw Lawrence going as high as #6 anywhere. But then again a lot of people wanted Sweat at #6 and Jones at #17 and the Giants passed on Sweat for Lawrence. At the end of the day I guess we know who's going to be a hit and who's going to be a miss.
Still would have been nice to have Allen, though.
Like another poster said, put him behind that Ohio line and he would've most likely been touted as a top 5 pick.
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
LOL. 365 more days of this?
We didn't take your guy!! Fire everyone!!!
Let’s be fair for a moment. You don’t like Jones either. You’ve posted such for weeks.
Some well respected scouts like Jones, I like Jones after digging into him a lot (Manning connect, Senior Bowl MVP - so predictable)
I’ll put it this way, if Josh Allen was gone I’d feel a lot better about the pick. It’s just hard for me to fathom the idea that they could’ve instantly fixed their defensive front 7 overnight, but oh well.
Jones is not the bum some want to proclaim he is. He’s got talent
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Mobile
Accurate
Good arm
Tough
Ignore his stats, his team wa pathetic.
I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didn’t reach on Haskins
He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.
His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.
I don't know what the fuck you were seeing. His throws were there. His teammates fukin dropped everything.
They interview his family and coaches. Everybody raves about him.
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
I hoe someone is saving theses
I’d love nothing more than for the majority of bbi’ers, myself included, to look like complete horses’ asses in 2 years.
No poster is insufferable for bitching about this pick. Did you read the NY Post Article on this. Here are a couple quotes:
It is almost as if the Giants searched for the closest quarterback they could find to Manning. Jones is something of a Manning clone, except coming into the NFL he is not viewed anywhere close to the top-end prospect Manning was in 2004. Jones looks a bit like Manning and was coached at Duke by David Cutcliffe, Manning’s coach at Ole Miss and big brother Peyton Manning’s position coach at Tennessee.
“He’s got a lot of the same mannerisms as Eli,’’ an NFL source and talent evaluator who specializes in quarterbacks told The Post. “After he throws he has the shoulder shrug. Eli will throw it and then kind of shrug his shoulder.’’
We picked a guy not because of what he does on the field. But he because he looks like Eli, was coached by Eli's coach, and is mature. And I really think that if he was not coached by Cutcliffe, Haskins would have been the picked.
And where in the heck is JTGIants?
He's got great touch on his passes.
He's the most mobile Giants QB you've ever seen.
He doesn't turn the ball over.
He's got great size for the pro position.
He won't embarrass the organization.
Most of all. he's going to represent your NYG for the next decade. His road ahead looks like it will be as tough as Eli's. Another underdog you can root for and watch prove people wrong.
Gil and Cosell and Sy and I like Jones ... at least the giants weren’t blinded by Haskins pretty stats.
Josh watched Darnold be pedestrian last year and Barkley do very well and still posted constantly about firing Gettleman and how it was a terrible pick.
I also wanted the giants to draft Darnold last year (and actually wanted them to draft Lamar Jackson before he started flaking off with his mom as his agent).
I have reservations about Jones. But I'm more sure that Josh is a shitty poster than Jones is a poor QB.
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Mobile
Accurate
Good arm
Tough
Ignore his stats, his team wa pathetic.
I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didn’t reach on Haskins
He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.
His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.
You are wrong.
Sorry, but it's a near impossible sell because the value at #6 just wasn't there.
In fact, there were better players at every other single position of importance on the board who were considerably better than Jones.
This was the essence of poor draft management.
So he's a hard-worker and a great teammate. Davis Webb said he was going to work harder than anyone's ever worked. It didn't end up mattering because he wasn't any good. He sucked. You have to actually be good at football to be good at it. It doesn't matter who your mentor was or how "rah rah" of a teammate you are.
A lot of people knocked Haskins for having such great talent around him and that being the reason his stats were so good. I still say you can't just put any QB in any system and watch him throw 50 TDs, otherwise guys would be doing it every freakin' year (they're not, those 50 TDs broke Drew Brees' Big 10 record). Not to mention the Ohio St. offense really wasn't tailored to Haskins's strengths as a QB. How confident are we Jones would have thrown 50 TDs if he played at Ohio St.?
Kid is going to be very good.
Ignore the naysayers who speak with such conviction about a player well thought of inside NFL circles.
The poll was 86% YES... 14% NO
He's got great touch on his passes.
He's the most mobile Giants QB you've ever seen.
He doesn't turn the ball over.
He's got great size for the pro position.
He won't embarrass the organization.
"He's the most mobile Giants QB you've ever seen. Uh..... Gary Wood and Fran Tarkenton.
None of us know fucking dick about about this kid will do in the pros. Just chill and see how it plays out.
The poll was 86% YES... 14% NO
I’d agree with the people! Make it so.
Their college stats are similar... except for the fact they're NOT. Manning played in an offense with infinitely less screens and dump-offs, yet completed more passes for FAR more TDs, while getting picked off less often, and averaging a far superior yards per attempt.
Look at the best QBs in the NFL. With the exception of Tom Brady (who was a 6th round draft pick), they all put up superior numbers in college to Jones.
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Accurate
Good arm
Tough
Ignore his stats, his team wa pathetic.
I like Jones a lot actually - passing on Allen was just mind blowing to me. Jones has a lot o like about him, glad they didn’t reach on Haskins
He's not accurate. Sorry but he's not. Statistically he's not accurate at all, and watching the cutups, he's not great a ball placement he's constantly hitting the receivers high or on the back hip and not in stride. I suppose that's the receivers fault.
His arm is borderline. His deep outs float, he doesn't drive them at all.
You are wrong.
Nope. I'm right based on production, everything else is excuse making about the lack of talent around him. Yes, they had a lot of drops last year, but ultimately over a career he's still got a completion rate of under 60% in an offense with a shit ton of RPO's and short passing.
Jesus christ im not a huge Jones fan but calling him a day three guy is incredibly dumb
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
Jesus christ im not a huge Jones fan but calling him a day three guy is incredibly dumb
Tom Brady was a day three guy too.
Kid is going to be very good.
Ignore the naysayers who speak with such conviction about a player well thought of inside NFL circles.
Again statistically, almost all of his production was on the first read. One source said only 6% of his throws were when he went off the first read but to be fair the article is pretty thin (https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2019-contextualized-quarterbacking-duke-qb-daniel-jones). However when you watch Duke games it's noticeable. It's a heavy rpo and short passing offense.
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Sure we can.
I’m used to saying that about 3rd rounders [smh]
Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.
Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)
Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)
To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.
Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.
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Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game
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Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar
Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.
Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)
Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)
To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.
Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.
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Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game
Pretty sure that the mid 90's Vols were a slightly better overall team than Duke.
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Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar
Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.
Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)
Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)
To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.
Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.
Or
Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game
Pretty sure that the mid 90's Vols were a slightly better overall team than Duke.
I’m sorry but did the post not say “stats eeerily similar”?
If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)
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Highest upside.
If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)
It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.
Thanks!
It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.
Congrats. Great news.
I know we differ on Jones, but I'd be careful putting that name in the hat. :)
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Highest upside.
If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)
It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.
Congrats, man.
As for Jones and the thread... well, he wasn't my favorite QB in this class, but I do think he does some things well and there's room to grow. I think he'll be a good fit for Shurmur's offense.
Barkley is going to be the centerpiece. We're not going to be a team that's slinging the ball 700 times like the Steelers did last year. Tate and Shepard are guys who will get open underneath and in the flats and make things happen with the ball in their hands.
I want to move Engram outside a bit or draft a WR with a little outside size. Jones throws the ball with great touch into the back corners of the endzone. A big target for him in there would pay huge dividends I think. That looked to me like a major strength of his.
Most of all. he's going to represent your NYG for the next decade. His road ahead looks like it will be as tough as Eli's. Another underdog you can root for and watch prove people wrong.
Eli was an underdog?? In what world? He was the consensus #1 pick in the draft who the giants traded part of their draft and the next for in order to get him. Eli was never an underdog until later in his career when he (naturally) lost a bit. It's no knock on Eli that he's a human being whose physical skills naturally atrophy after not missing a single football game for 14 seasons. It's just life.
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He's a hard worker.
He's got great touch on his passes.
He's the most mobile Giants QB you've ever seen.
He doesn't turn the ball over.
He's got great size for the pro position.
He won't embarrass the organization.
"He's the most mobile Giants QB you've ever seen. Uh..... Gary Wood and Fran Tarkenton.
SFNCIPAGiantsFan isn't old enough for them.
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Highest upside.
If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)
It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.
Congrats!
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Highest upside.
If you have another kid and it's a boy, I take it Daniel will be the name? ;)
It's funny you say that...I just found out today I'm having another boy, no shit.
Congrats dude!
I have crapped all over Herbert for his lack of ability to see the field nad for poor decision making.
The problem for me, is Jones seemd to be worse than Herbert in that department, and that is just killer for a QB therese days. They have to be able to process the field faster than ever, and make good decisions quickly. I just didn't see that in Jones. He looks the part, does some nice things at times, but his decision making is rough, and I am not sure how coachable that is at this point.
He is a Giant now, and we all have to hope for the best.
My buddy (the entire family is die hard Giants fans, like me) says...he actually think he is more Peyton then Eli. The kid refuses to fail. Brighter then everyone. Works harder then everyone.
Now, He feels....it would have been so much better at 17, instead of 6. As no one else was chasing him.
My buddy son spent last weekend at Duke with him
most college schemes are going to be fairly easy to understand and grasp.
And when you don't have any help (read: talent) on offense, its very easy to over-compensate and try to play perfect which results in worse outcomes.
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Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning and that their skill set and college stats are eerily similar
Peyton Manning was one of the greatest college QBs of all-time. He was presumed to be the #1 pick in the draft if he came out as a Junior and was as Senior.
Peyton had 10,060 yds passing and 78 TD with 27 INT with a 147 rating in his soph-senior years (34 starts)
Jones has 8201 passing with 52 TD with 29 INT and a 122 rating in his soph-Senior tears. (36 starts)
To sum up the difference, Peyton had 1,859 more pass yards with 26 more TD and 2 less INT in 2 less games.
Jones threw for 2659 yards and 22 TD this year so the difference is nearly a full season of Jones to make it up in stats.
Or
Peyton avg 296 yds per game to Jones 228 yds per game
Peyton avg 2.3 TDs per game to Jones 1.45 TD per game
Peyton had .79 INT per game to Jones .80 INT per game
Pretty sure that the mid 90's Vols were a slightly better overall team than Duke.
I’m sorry but did the post not say “stats eeerily similar”?
Yep I was just adding that for emphasis
Josh's annual post-draft meltdown has begun!
Really needed that in our next QB, somebody with an ability to extend plays if necessary. He certainly does that better than Haskins can, and I'm a noted fan of Haskins.
What a bag of cramps.
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Sorry there is no sugar coating it. Will go down as the worst pick and biggest reach in franchise history. Taking a day 3 guy at 6 overall. Doesn’t get any worse. Fire gettleman!
LOL. 365 more days of this?
We didn't take your guy!! Fire everyone!!!
365? It's been multiple years of the same shit from Josh during/after every draft. What makes you think it's going to stop next year?
The real bright side is that we're closer to it being 365 days until Josh's next tantrum. At least we get a respite for almost a year.