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Rico : 4/25/2019 11:09 pm
In 20+ years on this site, I've never been an asshat.

But something weird happened tonight. Someone I am close to knew things at draft time (I don't want to share my source, but I shared it with Eric).

He told me several things that were spot on:

The Giants decided on Jones over a week ago. He texted me this at the start of the draft. He told me Jones was the pick for sure 10 minutes before it was announced.

The Giants were going to trade up to #8 to take Allen, but he went at #7, so the trade didn't happen. After that, the Giants were ready to sit tight at #17.

He told me Dexter Lawrence was the pick 10 minutes before it was announced.

This info isn't much use to us now. But I think almost trading up for Allen was really interesting. If we loved Allen, why not take him and trade up for Jones? I guess when you have conviction about the QB you want, you don't mess around.
I'm actually shocked the Jags went Allen  
nyjuggernaut2 : 4/25/2019 11:12 pm : link
considering they run a 4-3 defense.
read the trade up  
jestersdead : 4/25/2019 11:12 pm : link
part for Allen and thought, why not draft him at 6 and trade up for Jones. I'll get over it soon enough, I just cant wrap my head around the idea not getting immediate value from the 6th pick. The 6th pick needed to be someone that would step on the field in September as a starter.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2019 11:13 pm : link
Also, just throwing this out there, but "onetimeasshat" told gidie.

Hitdog also said QB was not out of the picture.
Nice  
Chef : 4/25/2019 11:13 pm : link
Thanks.
If true, this was massively botched.  
Chris684 : 4/25/2019 11:13 pm : link
If you know you’re willing to trade up to 8, you have to realize the Jags at 7 just signed Foles.

You take Allen at 6 and move up for Jones at 8.
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BleedBlue : 4/25/2019 11:13 pm : link
yes if you like the qb you take him you dont wait regardless if you "think" he will be there
How about draft Allen  
robbieballs2003 : 4/25/2019 11:13 pm : link
and trade up to 8 for Jones?
RE: read the trade up  
Leg of Theismann : 4/25/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14407990 jestersdead said:
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part for Allen and thought, why not draft him at 6 and trade up for Jones. I'll get over it soon enough, I just cant wrap my head around the idea not getting immediate value from the 6th pick. The 6th pick needed to be someone that would step on the field in September as a starter.


It literally makes no rational sense to any reasonable human being. The only rationalization would be that the Giants thought the Jags were more likely to take Daniel Jones than Josh Allen. I don't see how they could be that stupid though.
You take Allen @ 6.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/25/2019 11:14 pm : link
Jones woulda been there later on.
RE: How about draft Allen  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14408005 robbieballs2003 said:
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and trade up to 8 for Jones?


The fear seems to have been someone was going to trade up.
Jacksonville was not trading out of 7  
robbieballs2003 : 4/25/2019 11:14 pm : link
.
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BleedBlue : 4/25/2019 11:15 pm : link
who knows how true this is but again, i think securing the QB is first and foremost.
RE: I'm actually shocked the Jags went Allen  
GothamGiants : 4/25/2019 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14407983 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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considering they run a 4-3 defense.


Best player available, plain and simple
More info, we are looking to trade back into round one!  
Rico : 4/25/2019 11:15 pm : link
Don't know who we want.
Is it possible that the Jags  
Mike in Prescott : 4/25/2019 11:15 pm : link
Wanted Jones? Making them a risk to take Allen 1st (presuming the trade at 8 was in place?)

Jones DOES seem like a Coughlin type.
They're going to say Jones was the guy  
JonC : 4/25/2019 11:16 pm : link
and who knows when we might learn differently. I think he was a reach.

I was told this morning there was a sense their might be urgency pick a QB at 6. But, there was no name attached so I discounted it. I was wrong.
RE: If true, this was massively botched.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/25/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14408000 Chris684 said:
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If you know you’re willing to trade up to 8, you have to realize the Jags at 7 just signed Foles.

You take Allen at 6 and move up for Jones at 8.
But if another team liked Jones, they could trade with the Jags. It's complicated. If you think Jones is your guy, you take him. I'm not excited by the pick but you can't assume you could get him later. (Bob Papa said tonight that NFL guys had him rated higher than the media did.)
Jenny Vrentas said Jones wouldn't have made it to  
JonC : 4/25/2019 11:17 pm : link
#17, Papa et al talked about it. She's probably correct.
RE: Jenny Vrentas said Jones wouldn't have made it to  
Chef : 4/25/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14408042 JonC said:
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#17, Papa et al talked about it. She's probably correct.


Thus the pick..
if they were desperate for QB  
bc4life : 4/25/2019 11:19 pm : link
why wouldn't they pursue Rosen?
Yes  
JonC : 4/25/2019 11:20 pm : link
they chose to not risk losing their QB.
RE: I'm actually shocked the Jags went Allen  
jeff57 : 4/25/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14407983 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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considering they run a 4-3 defense.


The Jags know how to draft. Allen can play 4-3 OLB the way Anthony Barr does, and the way Mack did initially.
RE: if they were desperate for QB  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14408062 bc4life said:
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why wouldn't they pursue Rosen?


They obviously don't like him.
RE: Jenny Vrentas said Jones wouldn't have made it to  
Giants38 : 4/25/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14408042 JonC said:
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#17, Papa et al talked about it. She's probably correct.


Who the fuck cares? I mean, they were smart in taking the guy at 6 and not waiting to 17. But Jones is NOT THE GUY. HOW IN THE HELL DID THEY LIKE HIM OVER HASKINS. I want to know. Because, you know what, I really wonder if DSG is of sound mind. And I'm not kidding. This is some straight up shit.
Rico  
Marty866b : 4/25/2019 11:21 pm : link
Thanks for the info but if all that is true, Gettleman should be fired for incompetence. As everyone here has stated, you pick Allen first and then trade up for Jones. Arguably the best pass rusher is right there at a position of incredible need and we pass to pick a qb that we could have selected a couple of picks later.
RE: Jenny Vrentas said Jones wouldn't have made it to  
Mike in Prescott : 4/25/2019 11:21 pm : link
I was reading the Denver was all in for Jones and traded out when he was taken.

In comment 14408042 JonC said:
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#17, Papa et al talked about it. She's probably correct.
RE: Jenny Vrentas said Jones wouldn't have made it to  
arcarsenal : 4/25/2019 11:21 pm : link
In comment 14408042 JonC said:
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#17, Papa et al talked about it. She's probably correct.


This is why you don't want.

If he's the guy you want, you have to take him.

People keep assuming he'd have been there @ 17 like it was a stone cold lock. I don't buy it.
What I hate is the bullshit this franchise spews.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/25/2019 11:21 pm : link
Don't tell us you go BPA. Don't tell us you will not reach for a QB. Why say all this publicly? They say it because they know it is the right thing to do but when it comes to actual practice they do it differently.
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arcarsenal : 4/25/2019 11:21 pm : link
Don't *wait... not want.

Derp.
Found this comment about Jones interesting..  
Canton : 4/25/2019 11:22 pm : link
Cutcliffe:

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This is real (and phenomenal quote) from Duke coach David Cutcliffe tonight: "Daniel Jones embraces something we believe in here – real swag is no swag.”
RE: RE: Jenny Vrentas said Jones wouldn't have made it to  
JonC : 4/25/2019 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14408073 Mike in Prescott said:
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I was reading the Denver was all in for Jones and traded out when he was taken.

In comment 14408042 JonC said:


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#17, Papa et al talked about it. She's probably correct.



That's what she said as well.
RE: RE: Jenny Vrentas said Jones wouldn't have made it to  
SJGiant : 4/25/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14408073 Mike in Prescott said:
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I was reading the Denver was all in for Jones and traded out when he was taken.

In comment 14408042 JonC said:


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#17, Papa et al talked about it. She's probably correct.



I also said this before. I believe Denver would have taken Jones with the 10th pick of the first round.
RE: RE: if they were desperate for QB  
Chris in Philly : 4/25/2019 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14408067 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14408062 bc4life said:


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why wouldn't they pursue Rosen?



They obviously don't like him.


When did Josh Rosen become Brett Favre? Jesus I am so sick of seeing this name. The team that drafted him in the first round LAST YEAR wants to unload him and still has not been able to.
RE: RE: if they were desperate for QB  
DavidinBMNY : 4/25/2019 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14408067 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14408062 bc4life said:


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why wouldn't they pursue Rosen?



They obviously don't like him.
No one seems to.
Ok  
bigfrank612 : 4/25/2019 11:39 pm : link
So what does your asshat have us doing for rounds 2 and 3. Out this asshat to use. Lol
RE: They're going to say Jones was the guy  
micky : 4/25/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14408031 JonC said:
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and who knows when we might learn differently. I think he was a reach.

I was told this morning there was a sense their might be urgency pick a QB at 6. But, there was no name attached so I discounted it. I was wrong.


Desparation pick.
Giants trade up to #30  
JonC : 4/25/2019 11:41 pm : link
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Rico  
Marty866b : 4/25/2019 11:46 pm : link
You are the "KING" asshat for the day!
Thanks Marty!  
Rico : 4/25/2019 11:49 pm : link
I am the most unconnected asshat ever! But I just kept getting these amazing texts!
Rico  
Big d E 2 : 4/25/2019 11:53 pm : link
You are the man. Thanks for the information.
RE: How about draft Allen  
Rjanyg : 4/26/2019 12:04 am : link
In comment 14408005 robbieballs2003 said:
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and trade up to 8 for Jones?


100%. You call Detroit while in the clock at 6, secure the 8th pick and draft Allen. Hold your breath for 10 minutes and then go draft Jones. Scratch my freaking head.
Sy nailed this a month ago  
Go Terps : 4/26/2019 12:46 am : link
He said if the Giants like a QB they ain't waiting until 17.
Why the fuck would you trade up for Allen at 8  
Matt M. : 4/26/2019 1:23 am : link
When you could have him at 6 and then likely still get your QB at 17?

I’m guessing the Skins or Bengals  
beatrixkiddo : 4/26/2019 7:52 am : link
Would have been able to offer more to Detroit if they picked Allen first and Jones was still there. That’s the only other conclusion I can come I’m with.
Thank you for the information, Rico...  
rnargi : 4/26/2019 7:57 am : link
you made last night a lot more fun, particularly with letting us know they were in the hunt for another 1st. Much appreciated!
RE: What I hate is the bullshit this franchise spews.  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2019 8:02 am : link
In comment 14408075 robbieballs2003 said:
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Don't tell us you go BPA. Don't tell us you will not reach for a QB. Why say all this publicly? They say it because they know it is the right thing to do but when it comes to actual practice they do it differently.


Absolutely. Gettleman is so full of shit.
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