I had Murphy and Greedy as CBs who had more potential, but Baker was an absolute stud at Georgia. A LOCKDOWN stud. Hopefully he and Beal will be the future starting CBs.
#NYG acquire 30th overall pick from #Seahawks and select Georgia CB Deandre Baker who didn't give up a TD his last two college seasons. NYG gave SEA their 2nd, a 4th and a 5th-round pick.
Great pick Snacks knees are about shot .
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We have our NT .
Tomlinson to me underwhelmed at NT
Seems we have to get something in a Edge rusher and
a RT in round #2 .. Maybe we move up ....
Summary: Baker was a three year starter for the Bulldogs that progressively improved as a prospect from the beginning of 2017. The two-time all SEC defender (1st Team in 2018) brings the kind of confidence and swagger that can take on the numerous challenges of playing cornerback in the NFL. He can be left alone on an island and stick with anyone on all levels of the route tree as well as make plays on the ball like a receiver. His issues can be correctable, mainly the technique-based and mental ones. The lack of power presence can be an issue at times but in a league where contact is allowed less and less in coverage, the corners that can get the job done via instincts, agility, and speed stand out a bit more.
*Another safe pick here that may have a limited upside, but at this position you just want reliable. That is Baker is a nutshell. I love the competitive spirit, the swagger he shows on the outside. Do I trust him against a Michael Thomas on an island? Probably not. But at the end of the day that isnt the job of a #1 corner on most teams. He can fit in to any coverage scheme and any role, right away.
NFL Comparison: TreDavious White / BUF
So much for Gettleman not putting a premium on DB's.
Why? Because he didn't interview well? Kid was born in Liberty City. He's always had a chip on his shoulder. He's confident in his abilities.
Do you know how many TDs Baker gave up at Georgia? One. ONE. 1. UNO. JUST ONE. And over the last two years, do you know how many he's given up? GOOSE EGG.
like Baker a lot, but that is way too much. A CB would have been available at #37. Again, I thought the plan was to get more picks in rounds two and three. Instead all we have now is #95.
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That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
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cannot cover.
My God, on what do you base this kind of statement? Rated by many the best corner in the draft, so what's the empirical evidence that "he can't cover?"
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker won the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season. He was a consensus all-American and a two-time all-SEC selection.
No commentary on whether or not Baker is the best CB in the draft, but CB is one of the deepest positions for sure. You don't really need to be giving up picks to take the best guy when they're all pretty interchangeable 1-7 or so.
So much for the asshat info of acquiring more picks between 37 and 95.
But he guaranteed it, lol. First pick I liked, but this night will go down as a memorable one, bad or good, I don't know. But we had chances to upgrade the pass rush and online with top talent but didn't. Also, corner is a very hard position to adjust to as a rookie. Next year will feature growing pains for sure.
Summary: Baker was a three year starter for the Bulldogs that progressively improved as a prospect from the beginning of 2017. The two-time all SEC defender (1st Team in 2018) brings the kind of confidence and swagger that can take on the numerous challenges of playing cornerback in the NFL. He can be left alone on an island and stick with anyone on all levels of the route tree as well as make plays on the ball like a receiver. His issues can be correctable, mainly the technique-based and mental ones. The lack of power presence can be an issue at times but in a league where contact is allowed less and less in coverage, the corners that can get the job done via instincts, agility, and speed stand out a bit more.
*Another safe pick here that may have a limited upside, but at this position you just want reliable. That is Baker is a nutshell. I love the competitive spirit, the swagger he shows on the outside. Do I trust him against a Michael Thomas on an island? Probably not. But at the end of the day that isnt the job of a #1 corner on most teams. He can fit in to any coverage scheme and any role, right away.
This is getting worse.. That's a lot to give up when there is so many holes to fill????! WTF.. Almost feels like they are desperate and know they have to do something to make up for what has happened??? These players better pan out or this Franchise will be setback for years! wow..
It's a perfectly reasonable move. Baker must have been the top corner on their board, by a fair margin. They got him at a price they could readily afford, considering the abundance of 4th and 5th round picks in their pocket.
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That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
Not really. The Giants had too many late picks, couldn't keep 12 rookies. They packaged two expendable picks plus their 2nd for a late 1st. I think it's a great deal.
Baker's gotta be good though. All is forgiven if the player is good.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Gettleman clearly understands the Giants needed a tremendous improvement in the secondary. Peppers, Baker, and Haley are a good core to build from.
Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea, Beal, Baker, Haley ... this secondary has talent. Should be significantly improved ... now if only josh Allen was a giant too
This could be the Darrell Revis of this draft in the Giants trade up to get him this time. All and I mean all of the great QBs have had that kind of attitude. He didn't allow a TD in two years in the SEC that isn't an accident.
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
That's your take?
Delete the comment and take 5 minutes to put more work into it. That's ridiculous.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Baker is a beast. Imagine getting Allen at 6? We'd have transformed the defense in one night.
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
I had Greedy as the superior PROSPECT than Baker because Greedy has better physical traits, but Baker will be fine. He excels in press. He can definitely go against Michael Thomas.
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#Giants traded No. 37, 132 (fourth round) and 142 (fifth round) for No. 30 to take CB DeAndre Baker. #nygiants #nyg #nfldraft
to move up 7 spots we had to give up a 4 and 5??? overpay!!!!
It was not an overpay. He was actually an underpay if you look at the trade value chart.
I like the confidence Baker plays with. I think he will be a great corner in this league, and if he is then he is absolutely worth giving up a late 4th and early 5th for. Picks outside of the top 100 more often not don't amount to anything.
Have to respect the fact the Giants basically had their pick of any corner in the draft with this pick and they chose Baker. Doesn't really matter what us fans think, he was at the top of their value board and he very well may have been the top DB on their value board (unless for some reason they really liked Abram or Savage).
If he becomes a true #1 CB then you can't argue with the move. But it is interesting that Baker, Murphy, Greedy, and Rock Ya-Sin were all still on the board and one of them was bound to fall to #37. They must have REALLY liked Baker. Link - ( New Window )
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
That's your take?
Delete the comment and take 5 minutes to put more work into it. That's ridiculous.
To keep all this in perspective, wasnt Michael Thomas drafted In the second round?? Just goes to show you how this is not an exact science
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Baker is a beast. Imagine getting Allen at 6? We'd have transformed the defense in one night.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
I wanted Allen too. But we will have a ton of cap space next year can easily sign ER next year. If jones is the real deal then you take him every day of the week over Allen. That being said time will tell. I hope DG and company are better talent evaluators than me which shouldnt be hard.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
On the other hand, Isabella had 15 catches for 220 yards, and 2 TDs... ;)
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
Give me the 4.5 guy in shorts who is also 4.5 in pads versus the 4.3 guy who plays like a 4.9 on the field.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
Why? Because he didn't run in the 4.4s? He played and did extremely well against the likes of Emmanuel Hall, Darius Slayton and Deebo Samuel. Those three guys have EXCEPTIONAL speed. Fuck 40 times.
And he also did an excellent job against likely top-10 pick next year, Alabama's Jerry Jeudy.
but how good is it if you don't have pass rushers to help?? This will definitely be affected if you can't presser the QB! The biggest problem last year was the Giants couldn't get to the QB!! And on top of that you give up a lot of picks that are much needed to fill the many holes..
Reached for a QB when a first rate edge rusher was there.
Reached for a DL when a superior edge rusher (or which, we have none) was there.
This draft will be looked back as setting this franchise back three years.
Last year it was the obsession with quarterbacks and this year the obsession is with edge rushers. Youd think the giants had one need going into the draft and it was edge rusher when in reality the giants could have picked almost any position and found a way to help their team because of the state of the roster, but carry on. It was something about edge rushers?
You realize the draft is not over yet. Not to mention that Lawrence is a one man wrecking crew who will open up others to make plays. Would you have sacrificed a QB of the future? A NT who has been compared to Haloti Ngata and will move Tomlinson to 3-4 DE where he is better suited? Or a shutdown CB? One of those would have to go to get a pass rusher.
RE: FWIW, if you go by the value charts, the Giants UNDERpaid slightly.
It's a perfectly reasonable move. Baker must have been the top corner on their board, by a fair margin. They got him at a price they could readily afford, considering the abundance of 4th and 5th round picks in their pocket.
People realize they had 3 5th rd picks right?
They still have a 3 and a 4th to try and get starters and they have other picks to fill out the roster and move around.
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That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
Did you read Sy's review? Gave him an "83" rating, said he's a baller, really good player. But maybe you know more and are a better talent evaluator.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
On the other hand, Isabella had 15 catches for 220 yards, and 2 TDs... ;)
I didn't see that game, admittedly, but based on what I've read, Baker was only lined up against him on two pass plays.
Of course, most of those takes are by fucking nitwits who probably didn't ace math, but it gets said anyway.
He does. HE PAID An over the hill FREE AGENT running back guaranteed money.
Just stop yourself and think about that
Can you tell me how much of that money counts against the cap right now?
How much he does or doesnt right now isnt the debate at hand.
The debate is that DG screamed at reporters and fans about not reaching, not drafting based on need for 2+ years.
And hes basically done the exact opposite in the most important draft class of his tenure
Please tell me when the giants are going to have two 1st round picks again to draft a qb.
We wont.
The next qb we draft is because we are 3-13 or we pay three first round picks.
Now do you understand why DG is overrated? Screaming and feigning that he had a plan is a complete joke. He wanted to give OT money to an OG. He signed a rb to a massive guaranteed deal when the roster had 2 functional rbs already.
Isabella did most of his damage (including his two TDs) in the fourth quarter against backups. When lined up against Baker, he caught 2 of 2 targets. Whoopey!
Meanwhile, Baker shut down Deebo, Slayton, Hall and guaranteed first rounder next year Jerry Jeudy. He's a stud.
you have a Manning clone to groom behind Manning, A dancing Grizzly bear in the middle of the defense and a potential shutdown corner, and more drama to come
Gettleman clearly understands the Giants needed a tremendous improvement in the secondary. Peppers, Baker, and Haley are a good core to build from.
Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea, Beal, Baker, Haley ... this secondary has talent. Should be significantly improved ... now if only josh Allen was a giant too
Jenkins was unwatchabley bad last year, Beal couldn't make it through a single practice and has had 2 procedures on the same shoulder, and Bethea is 36.
I'd like to see the Giants spend another pick on a safety or corner on day 3.
how stupid can you be, you think we got a first for a package of 4s and 5s? WTF?
You are talking about someone who has bashed every move the Giants have made. Logic does not apply.
First of all, love the fact you read all of my posts. Gives me the warm and tinglies, really.
Secondly, youre a moron who is full of shit with terrible reading comprehension skills I have not bashed every move the Giants make. But please, continue with the false narrative. Whatever gets you to sleep at night sweetie.
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
RE: Hey huygens20 - please excuse me if this sounds rude but
No problem. As long as the folks that feign DJ was a good pick admit that Gettleman lied for 2 years straight about not reaching or drafting based on need.
RE: who the hell is surprised we traded 37 in this deal?
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Can say with a straight face that Jones tape as a QB
was better than
Rosens , josh Allen, Devin Bush, or Ed Oliver ot Wilkinson st their respective positions
Dare yourself.
Some of you guys are just deluded Mr. Gettleman supporters.
I did a double facepalm when they announced the pick. But I don't know anything. I've been on BBI long enough to remember this board going apeshit when the Giants drafted Philip Rivers to trade him and picks for Eli Manning. They were sure the Giants should keep Kerry Collins and take CAN'T MISS BLUE GOOSE TACKLE Robert Gallery. Who ended up having a decent NFL career as a guard, I guess.
None of us know the future. We're all just fans on the Internet.
He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
You nailed it.
17 & 37 for Daniel Jones at 13, 14
I dont think Jones was making it past Denver and Cincy. The question is whether Allen + Jones + 132 + 142 is better than Jones + Lawrence + Baker. I am assuming 8 for 17 & 37. 132 or 142 might have also needed to be included so take that from left side if that is the case.
Can say with a straight face that Jones tape as a QB
was better than
Rosens , josh Allen, Devin Bush, or Ed Oliver ot Wilkinson st their respective positions
Dare yourself.
Some of you guys are just deluded Mr. Gettleman supporters.
I did a double facepalm when they announced the pick. But I don't know anything. I've been on BBI long enough to remember this board going apeshit when the Giants drafted Philip Rivers to trade him and picks for Eli Manning. They were sure the Giants should keep Kerry Collins and take CAN'T MISS BLUE GOOSE TACKLE Robert Gallery. Who ended up having a decent NFL career as a guard, I guess.
None of us know the future. We're all just fans on the Internet.
Im with you. Thats why I said tape and reach
Dj is all about projecting his development.
He either becomes Ryan tannehill, Blake bortles, Blaine gabbert,
Or
Alex Smith plus
Baker has the ability to be a shutdown corner. Has not allowed a TD from a WR he's covered in the past two years in the SEC which is pretty remarkable if you think about it
He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Dont forget about Kyle Lauletta now
Another Mr. Gettleman classic
Did you notice the rest of his draft last year? In the NFL redraft, 3 of his picks were first rounders.
We can consider moving on from him and at least we have
two young CB's and Baker could be the best in the class .
I think we will get some help with the pass rush still
have some picks . Never know who gets cut some vet FA to help
out . Building for the future as I see it .
If Jones will have the time to learn behind Eli DG has turned this team into the right direction . I still think that possibly Denver was interested in Jones as well .
If you have a conviction on a player especially a QB
you don't hope that he falls you take him .
Fuck it Welcome Daniel Jones !!
He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Dont forget about Kyle Lauletta now
Another Mr. Gettleman classic
Did you notice the rest of his draft last year? In the NFL redraft, 3 of his picks were first rounders.
I posted Sy's scouting report on him shortly after the Giants picked him. And it's not like the Giants don't need CB's, because they do. I've written "have you looked at our depth chart, lately" on more than one occasion.
Still, I can't shake the feeling that they made a mistake passing on Jawaan Taylor or Dalton Risner. Hell, even Greg Little. Flashback to Eli Apple over Taylor Decker, lol.
He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Dont forget about Kyle Lauletta now
Another Mr. Gettleman classic
Did you notice the rest of his draft last year? In the NFL redraft, 3 of his picks were first rounders.
He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Dont forget about Kyle Lauletta now
Another Mr. Gettleman classic
Did you notice the rest of his draft last year? In the NFL redraft, 3 of his picks were first rounders.
I posted Sy's scouting report on him shortly after the Giants picked him. And it's not like the Giants don't need CB's, because they do. I've written "have you looked at our depth chart, lately" on more than one occasion.
Still, I can't shake the feeling that they made a mistake passing on Jawaan Taylor or Dalton Risner. Hell, even Greg Little. Flashback to Eli Apple over Taylor Decker, lol.
Taylor apparently has a knee and some odd field stuff. I did like Risner, but with 30 or 37 you can fill one or the other. If we get one of the Wisconsin guys or Scharping at 95 and Maxx Crosby in Round 4 the draft looks a lot different.
I posted Sy's scouting report on him shortly after the Giants picked him. And it's not like the Giants don't need CB's, because they do. I've written "have you looked at our depth chart, lately" on more than one occasion.
Still, I can't shake the feeling that they made a mistake passing on Jawaan Taylor or Dalton Risner. Hell, even Greg Little. Flashback to Eli Apple over Taylor Decker, lol.
Taylor apparently has a knee and some odd field stuff. I did like Risner, but with 30 or 37 you can fill one or the other. If we get one of the Wisconsin guys or Scharping at 95 and Maxx Crosby in Round 4 the draft looks a lot different.
As Steve McQueen said to Yul Brynner in The Magnificent Seven, "If, brother. If." I do hope you're right, though.
maybe the best of the 3. I am not sure if they gave up a little much or not, but a residual effect of the rest of the 1st round has me more annoyed at this deal than I should be, given the talent.
Sure they gave the 37 pick but they got the 30th pick. They only really gave up a 4th and 5th rounder. If this kids swagger and abilities are legit, the Giants got great value.
Not to mention I'm pissed at myself since I went to sleep after the 17th pick figuring there is no way the Giants trade back into the first round since they got their QB early. Damn!
Physical, soft hands, great mirror ability, quick hips, but most of all, he just appears to have elevated field of play football instincts. I'm a fan of this pick.
like Baker a lot, but that is way too much. A CB would have been available at #37. Again, I thought the plan was to get more picks in rounds two and three. Instead all we have now is #95.
But would HE have been available at 37, especially after teams have an entire night and day to re-configure their board?
We had Deandre Baker as our No. 1 cornerback target for the Giants for several reasons but none more important than his familiarity with the coverage concepts defensive coordinator James Bettcher utilizes frequently -- specifically pattern-match coverage. The Georgia defense under Kirby Smart is very similar schematically to what Bettcher runs. The Giants drafted Georgia outside linebacker Lorenzo Carter and signed Georgia UDFA cornerback Aaron Davis last April. While evaluating those two prospects, they likely saw No. 18 flash.
Baker has earned consecutive 90+ grades from PFF and they charted him with not having allowed a single touchdown in coverage during the 2018 season. In fact, according to PFF, Baker hasn't allowed a touchdown in primary coverage since the 2016 season. Baker - ( New Window )
who is somehow rated best CB in the draft. I like this pick the best of the three that DG made but that said none of the three trades make any sense to me at all.
I thought I liked DG but I just can't after this. Even the trade for this pick makes no sense.
When Peyton came out 1/2 the so called experts thought Ryan Leaf was a better prospect. I like most wanted Josh Allen. I would also say DG is way better than the Reese Ross era. See what happens.
He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Agreed. Well thought out and reasonable post, unlike the drivel that's been passing as coherent reasoning by many.
RE: RE: I'm assuming Baker starts right out of the blocks.
That's why I'm asking. It's hard to sya if Jenkins lost something last year or was distracted from his off field issues related to the murder at his home. Is Beals good enough to unseat Jenkins? Does it matter, if the loser of that decision is the 3rd CB?
Can't cover ? Where do you live Neptune ?
Too much a 4th and a 5th to move into the 1st round
and solidify the defensive backfield ?
Jack Rabbit goes down who is gonna replace him ?
Seriously . I hope we move up again and I fon't care if we dip
into the 2020 draft to do it and get a RT or possibly
an Edge rusher . Baker is a stud and won't Ole Running backs
he is an aggressive tackler with great hands instincts a
legitimate shut down CB !
But apparently Gettlemans no longer cares about that Link - ( New Window )
Did you even read the article you posted bashing DG?
From his coach:
"We at the University of Georgia support his decision. It's a tough decision when you look at it, he was forced to make it."
Baker should step right into the starting spot opposite Jenkins with Beal and Haley competing for the nickel job.
wouldn't surprise me if Beal/Baker on outside with Haley in the slot in 2020. I love this trio's upside ... look at that, depth and potential in the secondary.
not to mention the improved safety play - especially n coverage. Peppers/Bethea >>>> Collins/Riley
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Did you even read the article you posted bashing DG?
From his coach:
"We at the University of Georgia support his decision. It's a tough decision when you look at it, he was forced to make it."
but many believed baker was the number 1 CB so i defer to that but CB was a huge huge need how many games did the giants lose because they had a bunch of scrubs back there and forced collins to play too much coverage he is box safety with limited coverage ability which the redskins will discover this season
i liked collins alot but he was not the complete safety he and his coach talked him up to be and there was now way he was 84mil worth in a million years for a fraction of his price they got peppers full contract and he is a better fit to bettchers scheme. with bethea who also understands the system back there plus baker and beal back plus the extra depth they now have at the position the secondry will be alot better than last year
the secondry was awful last year and this pick was vital going forward especially as DG seams intent of clearing the majority of reeses picks i think shepard,tomlinson and engram are the few guys DG agrees with and plans to keep long term
Don't be surprised if we move this guy to FS. Not the fastest DB at 4.5 plus, but isn't afraid to tackle and has a nose for the football. With the amount of secondary players that we drafted, I think that 1 or 2 of them will be moved to safety.
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#Giants traded No. 37, 132 (fourth round) and 142 (fifth round) for No. 30 to take CB DeAndre Baker. #nygiants #nyg #nfldraft
Losing 37 stings but Baker is a solid pick.
I know Dave Te LOVES this guy
Intersting...he had some coach ability issues at Georgia.
Good pick.
https://twitter.com/mathbomb/status/1121620960040321024?s=21
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#NYG acquire 30th overall pick from #Seahawks and select Georgia CB Deandre Baker who didn't give up a TD his last two college seasons. NYG gave SEA their 2nd, a 4th and a 5th-round pick.
this night has been terrible.
Reached for a QB when a first rate edge rusher was there.
Reached for a DL when a superior edge rusher (or which, we have none) was there.
This draft will be looked back as setting this franchise back three years.
He won the award for best cb in college, Im sure he can cover a little bit
https://twitter.com/mathbomb/status/1121620960040321024?s=21
Intersting...he had some coach ability issues at Georgia.
Bluesbreaker : 10:19 pm : link : reply
We have our NT .
Tomlinson to me underwhelmed at NT
Seems we have to get something in a Edge rusher and
a RT in round #2 .. Maybe we move up ....
4th/5th is what 7 picks at this point goes for. They had 12 picks this year. Down to 10.
I'll say this is still the best pick of the three.
Grade: 83
Summary: Baker was a three year starter for the Bulldogs that progressively improved as a prospect from the beginning of 2017. The two-time all SEC defender (1st Team in 2018) brings the kind of confidence and swagger that can take on the numerous challenges of playing cornerback in the NFL. He can be left alone on an island and stick with anyone on all levels of the route tree as well as make plays on the ball like a receiver. His issues can be correctable, mainly the technique-based and mental ones. The lack of power presence can be an issue at times but in a league where contact is allowed less and less in coverage, the corners that can get the job done via instincts, agility, and speed stand out a bit more.
*Another safe pick here that may have a limited upside, but at this position you just want reliable. That is Baker is a nutshell. I love the competitive spirit, the swagger he shows on the outside. Do I trust him against a Michael Thomas on an island? Probably not. But at the end of the day that isnt the job of a #1 corner on most teams. He can fit in to any coverage scheme and any role, right away.
NFL Comparison: TreDavious White / BUF
So much for Gettleman not putting a premium on DB's.
seems like a lot but it's actually a little less than the chart value - plus we still have 6 picks left
Why? Because he didn't interview well? Kid was born in Liberty City. He's always had a chip on his shoulder. He's confident in his abilities.
Do you know how many TDs Baker gave up at Georgia? One. ONE. 1. UNO. JUST ONE. And over the last two years, do you know how many he's given up? GOOSE EGG.
Dude has some swagger for sure.
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#Giants traded No. 37, 132 (fourth round) and 142 (fifth round) for No. 30 to take CB DeAndre Baker. #nygiants #nyg #nfldraft
to move up 7 spots we had to give up a 4 and 5??? overpay!!!!
You know nothing.
He had the second best coverage skills with 41.8% comp pct which was second best in FBS and 4.6 per reception also 2nd best in FBS
They weren't using 12 picks.
4th/5th is what 7 picks at this point goes for. They had 12 picks this year. Down to 10.
Please show me where I bashed this pick?
Oh, wait, you cant. Fuck off.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
People have done studies and hit rates (for them becoming starters) is like 10%.
We gave up nothing.
I would be shopping Engram tomorrow if I was DG.
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#Giants traded No. 37, 132 (fourth round) and 142 (fifth round) for No. 30 to take CB DeAndre Baker. #nygiants #nyg #nfldraft
We have a bunch of mid round picks, it was a good move up. Going to be a long time between next picks though.
What school of logic do some of you fuckers attend?
The opposite happened lol
My God, on what do you base this kind of statement? Rated by many the best corner in the draft, so what's the empirical evidence that "he can't cover?"
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker won the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season. He was a consensus all-American and a two-time all-SEC selection.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
I had Baker as the best CB in the draft. Very happy with him. Worth the trade.
But he guaranteed it, lol. First pick I liked, but this night will go down as a memorable one, bad or good, I don't know. But we had chances to upgrade the pass rush and online with top talent but didn't. Also, corner is a very hard position to adjust to as a rookie. Next year will feature growing pains for sure.
2: DeAndre Baker Georgia 511/193
Grade: 83
Summary: Baker was a three year starter for the Bulldogs that progressively improved as a prospect from the beginning of 2017. The two-time all SEC defender (1st Team in 2018) brings the kind of confidence and swagger that can take on the numerous challenges of playing cornerback in the NFL. He can be left alone on an island and stick with anyone on all levels of the route tree as well as make plays on the ball like a receiver. His issues can be correctable, mainly the technique-based and mental ones. The lack of power presence can be an issue at times but in a league where contact is allowed less and less in coverage, the corners that can get the job done via instincts, agility, and speed stand out a bit more.
*Another safe pick here that may have a limited upside, but at this position you just want reliable. That is Baker is a nutshell. I love the competitive spirit, the swagger he shows on the outside. Do I trust him against a Michael Thomas on an island? Probably not. But at the end of the day that isnt the job of a #1 corner on most teams. He can fit in to any coverage scheme and any role, right away.
NFL Comparison: TreDavious White / BUF
What school of logic do some of you fuckers attend?
Ridiculous. And he was a All-American, All-SEC TWICE and he won the award for the best DB in college.
But yep, he can't cover
People have done studies and hit rates (for them becoming starters) is like 10%.
We gave up nothing.
Lmao. 4th and 5th founders arent nothing when this team has as many holes as it does.
Yep, unless they trade Jenkins now for a 3.
Well worth it.
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
Gettleman clearly understands the Giants needed a tremendous improvement in the secondary. Peppers, Baker, and Haley are a good core to build from.
Hopefully another trade up tomorrow for a guy like Maxx Crosby?
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So much for the asshat info of acquiring more picks between 37 and 95.
Yep, unless they trade Jenkins now for a 3.
I can't see anyone giving a three for Jenkins.
He didn't allow a TD in his last 2 college seasons according to Kim Jones - how does a guy who can't cover accomplish that?
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
Baker's gotta be good though. All is forgiven if the player is good.
Sure draft a cb when the web has 10s to throw on 1st and 10.
Stop covering for DG.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Gettleman clearly understands the Giants needed a tremendous improvement in the secondary. Peppers, Baker, and Haley are a good core to build from.
Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea, Beal, Baker, Haley ... this secondary has talent. Should be significantly improved ... now if only josh Allen was a giant too
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
That's your take?
Delete the comment and take 5 minutes to put more work into it. That's ridiculous.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Baker is a beast. Imagine getting Allen at 6? We'd have transformed the defense in one night.
What school of logic do some of you fuckers attend?
Devry University school of scouting, online degrees available
That means that any CB is going to struggle against a big, strong WR.
You quoted Sy but clearly didn't fucking read what he said.
Well done.
Suddenly Carter becomes that much more important.
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
I had Greedy as the superior PROSPECT than Baker because Greedy has better physical traits, but Baker will be fine. He excels in press. He can definitely go against Michael Thomas.
And basically signed a rb that commits to 4 m against our cap when we shouldve just drafted a 7th rounder and paid him nothing
Same guy who said u cant reach or draft based on need last year
Dave Fuckin Gettleman. ... correction. MR. Gettleman.
Lmfao
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#Giants traded No. 37, 132 (fourth round) and 142 (fifth round) for No. 30 to take CB DeAndre Baker. #nygiants #nyg #nfldraft
to move up 7 spots we had to give up a 4 and 5??? overpay!!!!
It was not an overpay. He was actually an underpay if you look at the trade value chart.
I like the confidence Baker plays with. I think he will be a great corner in this league, and if he is then he is absolutely worth giving up a late 4th and early 5th for. Picks outside of the top 100 more often not don't amount to anything.
Have to respect the fact the Giants basically had their pick of any corner in the draft with this pick and they chose Baker. Doesn't really matter what us fans think, he was at the top of their value board and he very well may have been the top DB on their value board (unless for some reason they really liked Abram or Savage).
If he becomes a true #1 CB then you can't argue with the move. But it is interesting that Baker, Murphy, Greedy, and Rock Ya-Sin were all still on the board and one of them was bound to fall to #37. They must have REALLY liked Baker.
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
That's your take?
Delete the comment and take 5 minutes to put more work into it. That's ridiculous.
To keep all this in perspective, wasnt Michael Thomas drafted In the second round?? Just goes to show you how this is not an exact science
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6 catches, 33 yards.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Baker is a beast. Imagine getting Allen at 6? We'd have transformed the defense in one night.
Yeah, that hurts. Still does.
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this night has been terrible.
Reached for a QB when a first rate edge rusher was there.
Reached for a DL when a superior edge rusher (or which, we have none) was there.
This draft will be looked back as setting this franchise back three years.
You could be right. Could be wrong. Just gotta wait and see. No reason to freak out in either direction.
Sure draft a cb when the web has 10s to throw on 1st and 10.
Stop covering for DG.
Pass rush is not just from edge guys. Fastest path is a straight line and Lawrence will blow up a lot of plays up the gut.
[quote] And will effect the coverage. [/quote
Allen solves this. But no more beating the dead horse. What's done is done. I hope Daniel Jones is a fucking monster.
Of course, most of those takes are by fucking nitwits who probably didn't ace math, but it gets said anyway.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
What school of logic do some of you fuckers attend?
Fats. These fucking monkey asses are unbelievable. I have never heard such ass talking.
Of course, most of those takes are by fucking nitwits who probably didn't ace math, but it gets said anyway.
He does. HE PAID An over the hill FREE AGENT running back guaranteed money.
Just stop yourself and think about that
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
On the other hand, Isabella had 15 catches for 220 yards, and 2 TDs... ;)
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6 catches, 33 yards.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
Give me the 4.5 guy in shorts who is also 4.5 in pads versus the 4.3 guy who plays like a 4.9 on the field.
You know what's the best thing about this piece of shit post?
He's deadly serious.
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seemingly counts more against the cap every day.
Of course, most of those takes are by fucking nitwits who probably didn't ace math, but it gets said anyway.
He does. HE PAID An over the hill FREE AGENT running back guaranteed money.
Just stop yourself and think about that
Can you tell me how much of that money counts against the cap right now?
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6 catches, 33 yards.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
Why? Because he didn't run in the 4.4s? He played and did extremely well against the likes of Emmanuel Hall, Darius Slayton and Deebo Samuel. Those three guys have EXCEPTIONAL speed. Fuck 40 times.
And he also did an excellent job against likely top-10 pick next year, Alabama's Jerry Jeudy.
I do think the way this unfolded it's very likely they will sign Remmers now.
Well worth it.
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this night has been terrible.
Reached for a QB when a first rate edge rusher was there.
Reached for a DL when a superior edge rusher (or which, we have none) was there.
This draft will be looked back as setting this franchise back three years.
Last year it was the obsession with quarterbacks and this year the obsession is with edge rushers. Youd think the giants had one need going into the draft and it was edge rusher when in reality the giants could have picked almost any position and found a way to help their team because of the state of the roster, but carry on. It was something about edge rushers?
Well worth it.
It was a 2nd, 4th and 5th. Again, thats not nothing.
You realize the draft is not over yet. Not to mention that Lawrence is a one man wrecking crew who will open up others to make plays. Would you have sacrificed a QB of the future? A NT who has been compared to Haloti Ngata and will move Tomlinson to 3-4 DE where he is better suited? Or a shutdown CB? One of those would have to go to get a pass rusher.
They still have a 3 and a 4th to try and get starters and they have other picks to fill out the roster and move around.
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
Did you read Sy's review? Gave him an "83" rating, said he's a baller, really good player. But maybe you know more and are a better talent evaluator.
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6 catches, 33 yards.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
On the other hand, Isabella had 15 catches for 220 yards, and 2 TDs... ;)
I didn't see that game, admittedly, but based on what I've read, Baker was only lined up against him on two pass plays.
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To move up 7 spots for this guy.
Well worth it.
It was a 2nd, 4th and 5th. Again, thats not nothing.
Green Bay gave up a 1st and 2 4s for a player rated by many as a 3rd Rounder. I am surprised you and Rflairr havent committed suicide yet.
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#Giants feel DeAndre Baker is best cover cornerback in the #NFLDraft.
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#Giants feel DeAndre Baker is best cover cornerback in the #NFLDraft.
I mean that kind of goes without saying considering the Giants were the first team to take a CB in this Draft. Haha
You are talking about someone who has bashed every move the Giants have made. Logic does not apply.
I didn't see that game, admittedly, but based on what I've read, Baker was only lined up against him on two pass plays.
Just busting your chops. I saw the game actually, but couldn't tell you who covered him most of the day... ;)
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seemingly counts more against the cap every day.
Of course, most of those takes are by fucking nitwits who probably didn't ace math, but it gets said anyway.
He does. HE PAID An over the hill FREE AGENT running back guaranteed money.
Just stop yourself and think about that
Can you tell me how much of that money counts against the cap right now?
How much he does or doesnt right now isnt the debate at hand.
The debate is that DG screamed at reporters and fans about not reaching, not drafting based on need for 2+ years.
And hes basically done the exact opposite in the most important draft class of his tenure
Please tell me when the giants are going to have two 1st round picks again to draft a qb.
We wont.
The next qb we draft is because we are 3-13 or we pay three first round picks.
Now do you understand why DG is overrated? Screaming and feigning that he had a plan is a complete joke. He wanted to give OT money to an OG. He signed a rb to a massive guaranteed deal when the roster had 2 functional rbs already.
Meanwhile, Baker shut down Deebo, Slayton, Hall and guaranteed first rounder next year Jerry Jeudy. He's a stud.
This defense could have been transformed overnight if they hadn't wasted the 6th pick.
You do realize that the OG did get OT money, but from Jacksonville, right?
It's OK to just admit you aren't that bright.
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Tremendous area of need.
Gettleman clearly understands the Giants needed a tremendous improvement in the secondary. Peppers, Baker, and Haley are a good core to build from.
Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea, Beal, Baker, Haley ... this secondary has talent. Should be significantly improved ... now if only josh Allen was a giant too
Jenkins was unwatchabley bad last year, Beal couldn't make it through a single practice and has had 2 procedures on the same shoulder, and Bethea is 36.
I'd like to see the Giants spend another pick on a safety or corner on day 3.
Josh Allen
Devin Bush
Ed Oliver
Dont reach.
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how stupid can you be, you think we got a first for a package of 4s and 5s? WTF?
You are talking about someone who has bashed every move the Giants have made. Logic does not apply.
First of all, love the fact you read all of my posts. Gives me the warm and tinglies, really.
Secondly, youre a moron who is full of shit with terrible reading comprehension skills I have not bashed every move the Giants make. But please, continue with the false narrative. Whatever gets you to sleep at night sweetie.
was better than
Rosens , josh Allen, Devin Bush, or Ed Oliver ot Wilkinson st their respective positions
Dare yourself.
Some of you guys are just deluded Mr. Gettleman supporters.
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He wanted to give OT money to an OG
You do realize that the OG did get OT money, but from Jacksonville, right?
It's OK to just admit you aren't that bright.
Yeah, his first choice was to sign a OG when we didnt even have a single replacement level tackle on the team.
Whose stupid now?
Josh Allen
Devin Bush
Ed Oliver
Dont reach.
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
No problem. As long as the folks that feign DJ was a good pick admit that Gettleman lied for 2 years straight about not reaching or drafting based on need.
This made me laugh. Its amazing how some on here think we can just trade like three late round picks for a first rounder.
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Daniel Jones ahead of
Josh Allen
Devin Bush
Ed Oliver
Dont reach.
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
You nailed it.
17 & 37 for Daniel Jones at 13, 14
Whose stupid now?
You probably don't even get the unintentional irony of the use of stupid there.
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how stupid can you be, you think we got a first for a package of 4s and 5s? WTF?
This made me laugh. Its amazing how some on here think we can just trade like three late round picks for a first rounder.
Who said this? I know I didnt.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
was better than
Rosens , josh Allen, Devin Bush, or Ed Oliver ot Wilkinson st their respective positions
Dare yourself.
Some of you guys are just deluded Mr. Gettleman supporters.
None of us know the future. We're all just fans on the Internet.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Dont forget about Kyle Lauletta now
Another Mr. Gettleman classic
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Daniel Jones ahead of
Josh Allen
Devin Bush
Ed Oliver
Dont reach.
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
You nailed it.
17 & 37 for Daniel Jones at 13, 14
I dont think Jones was making it past Denver and Cincy. The question is whether Allen + Jones + 132 + 142 is better than Jones + Lawrence + Baker. I am assuming 8 for 17 & 37. 132 or 142 might have also needed to be included so take that from left side if that is the case.
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was better than
Rosens , josh Allen, Devin Bush, or Ed Oliver ot Wilkinson st their respective positions
Dare yourself.
Some of you guys are just deluded Mr. Gettleman supporters.
I did a double facepalm when they announced the pick. But I don't know anything. I've been on BBI long enough to remember this board going apeshit when the Giants drafted Philip Rivers to trade him and picks for Eli Manning. They were sure the Giants should keep Kerry Collins and take CAN'T MISS BLUE GOOSE TACKLE Robert Gallery. Who ended up having a decent NFL career as a guard, I guess.
None of us know the future. We're all just fans on the Internet.
Im with you. Thats why I said tape and reach
Dj is all about projecting his development.
He either becomes Ryan tannehill, Blake bortles, Blaine gabbert,
Or
Alex Smith plus
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#Giants feel DeAndre Baker is best cover cornerback in the #NFLDraft.
Maybe so but... that's hardly comforting.
If the Giants were beauty pageant contestants, Rosanne Barr would emerge with a tiara.
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He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Dont forget about Kyle Lauletta now
Another Mr. Gettleman classic
Did you notice the rest of his draft last year? In the NFL redraft, 3 of his picks were first rounders.
But, go ahead and bitch about a 4th round pick.
two young CB's and Baker could be the best in the class .
I think we will get some help with the pass rush still
have some picks . Never know who gets cut some vet FA to help
out . Building for the future as I see it .
If Jones will have the time to learn behind Eli DG has turned this team into the right direction . I still think that possibly Denver was interested in Jones as well .
If you have a conviction on a player especially a QB
you don't hope that he falls you take him .
Fuck it Welcome Daniel Jones !!
Josh Allen
Devin Bush
Ed Oliver
Dont reach.
Yikes.. Giants wanting to be different from the pack?? I guess all other Teams in the NFL are in the dark, just don't know better... smh
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He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Dont forget about Kyle Lauletta now
Another Mr. Gettleman classic
Did you notice the rest of his draft last year? In the NFL redraft, 3 of his picks were first rounders.
But, go ahead and bitch about a 4th round pick.
Barkley Hernandez.. who was the 3rd?
Still, I can't shake the feeling that they made a mistake passing on Jawaan Taylor or Dalton Risner. Hell, even Greg Little. Flashback to Eli Apple over Taylor Decker, lol.
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He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Dont forget about Kyle Lauletta now
Another Mr. Gettleman classic
Did you notice the rest of his draft last year? In the NFL redraft, 3 of his picks were first rounders.
But, go ahead and bitch about a 4th round pick.
Barkley Hernandez.. who was the 3rd?
BJ Hill.
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He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Dont forget about Kyle Lauletta now
Another Mr. Gettleman classic
Did you notice the rest of his draft last year? In the NFL redraft, 3 of his picks were first rounders.
But, go ahead and bitch about a 4th round pick.
Barkley Hernandez.. who was the 3rd?
BJ Hill
Still, I can't shake the feeling that they made a mistake passing on Jawaan Taylor or Dalton Risner. Hell, even Greg Little. Flashback to Eli Apple over Taylor Decker, lol.
Taylor apparently has a knee and some odd field stuff. I did like Risner, but with 30 or 37 you can fill one or the other. If we get one of the Wisconsin guys or Scharping at 95 and Maxx Crosby in Round 4 the draft looks a lot different.
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I posted Sy's scouting report on him shortly after the Giants picked him. And it's not like the Giants don't need CB's, because they do. I've written "have you looked at our depth chart, lately" on more than one occasion.
Still, I can't shake the feeling that they made a mistake passing on Jawaan Taylor or Dalton Risner. Hell, even Greg Little. Flashback to Eli Apple over Taylor Decker, lol.
Taylor apparently has a knee and some odd field stuff. I did like Risner, but with 30 or 37 you can fill one or the other. If we get one of the Wisconsin guys or Scharping at 95 and Maxx Crosby in Round 4 the draft looks a lot different.
As Steve McQueen said to Yul Brynner in The Magnificent Seven, "If, brother. If." I do hope you're right, though.
WTH are you talking about? He let up Zero TD passes last season ! Kid is very smart and plays with fire!
Not to mention I'm pissed at myself since I went to sleep after the 17th pick figuring there is no way the Giants trade back into the first round since they got their QB early. Damn!
Yep. I am a big fan as well
We were never using all 12 picks. We loaded up on picks for this very reason. But hey, complaining about everything is all the rage these days.
Now you are one guy I will listen to. Thanks Ned.
But would HE have been available at 37, especially after teams have an entire night and day to re-configure their board?
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I thought I liked DG but I just can't after this. Even the trade for this pick makes no sense.
So far: not my formula, definitely would not have gone QB with Oliver sitting there. But Dexter and this kid look great.
And there's more coming.
They gave up their 2nd too.
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too much to move up 9 spots and get the possible #1 corner in the draft? That really is nothing compared to the picks we have and the value.
They gave up their 2nd too.
But we got a 1st back. It is not like we traded 2, 4, and 5 for nothing.
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too much to move up 9 spots and get the possible #1 corner in the draft? That really is nothing compared to the picks we have and the value.
They gave up their 2nd too.
But we got a 1st back. It is not like we traded 2, 4, and 5 for nothing.
It's not that big a deal. If he's as good in the pros as he was in college you do the trade 10 times out of 10.
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Yeah, his first choice was to sign a OG when we didnt even have a single replacement level tackle on the team.
Whose stupid now?
You probably don't even get the unintentional irony of the use of stupid there.
LMAO!!!
What about Jenkins?
Good pick!
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Agreed. Well thought out and reasonable post, unlike the drivel that's been passing as coherent reasoning by many.
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Does Beals start opposite him?
What about Jenkins?
Too much a 4th and a 5th to move into the 1st round
and solidify the defensive backfield ?
Jack Rabbit goes down who is gonna replace him ?
Seriously . I hope we move up again and I fon't care if we dip
into the 2020 draft to do it and get a RT or possibly
an Edge rusher . Baker is a stud and won't Ole Running backs
he is an aggressive tackler with great hands instincts a
legitimate shut down CB !
Did you even read the article you posted bashing DG?
From his coach:
"We at the University of Georgia support his decision. It's a tough decision when you look at it, he was forced to make it."
wouldn't surprise me if Beal/Baker on outside with Haley in the slot in 2020. I love this trio's upside ... look at that, depth and potential in the secondary.
not to mention the improved safety play - especially n coverage. Peppers/Bethea >>>> Collins/Riley
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Did you even read the article you posted bashing DG?
From his coach:
"We at the University of Georgia support his decision. It's a tough decision when you look at it, he was forced to make it."
Did you read it? Was more than that game.
And heres more.
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I know Dave Te LOVES this guy
That's what I don't understand as well.
Where the hell does he think the pass rush
is going to come from?
I thought Jerry Reach was gone around here myself.
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i liked collins alot but he was not the complete safety he and his coach talked him up to be and there was now way he was 84mil worth in a million years for a fraction of his price they got peppers full contract and he is a better fit to bettchers scheme. with bethea who also understands the system back there plus baker and beal back plus the extra depth they now have at the position the secondry will be alot better than last year
the secondry was awful last year and this pick was vital going forward especially as DG seams intent of clearing the majority of reeses picks i think shepard,tomlinson and engram are the few guys DG agrees with and plans to keep long term
Agreed. It made day 2 viewing boring, but it was an exciting pick.