In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
My God, on what do you base this kind of statement? Rated by many the best corner in the draft, so what's the empirical evidence that "he can't cover?"
In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker won the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season. He was a consensus all-American and a two-time all-SEC selection.
No commentary on whether or not Baker is the best CB in the draft, but CB is one of the deepest positions for sure. You don't really need to be giving up picks to take the best guy when they're all pretty interchangeable 1-7 or so.
So much for the asshat info of acquiring more picks between 37 and 95.
But he guaranteed it, lol. First pick I liked, but this night will go down as a memorable one, bad or good, I don't know. But we had chances to upgrade the pass rush and online with top talent but didn't. Also, corner is a very hard position to adjust to as a rookie. Next year will feature growing pains for sure.
Summary: Baker was a three year starter for the Bulldogs that progressively improved as a prospect from the beginning of 2017. The two-time all SEC defender (1st Team in 2018) brings the kind of confidence and swagger that can take on the numerous challenges of playing cornerback in the NFL. He can be left alone on an island and stick with anyone on all levels of the route tree as well as make plays on the ball like a receiver. His issues can be correctable, mainly the technique-based and mental ones. The lack of power presence can be an issue at times but in a league where contact is allowed less and less in coverage, the corners that can get the job done via instincts, agility, and speed stand out a bit more.
*Another safe pick here that may have a limited upside, but at this position you just want reliable. That is Baker is a nutshell. I love the competitive spirit, the swagger he shows on the outside. Do I trust him against a Michael Thomas on an island? Probably not. But at the end of the day that isnt the job of a #1 corner on most teams. He can fit in to any coverage scheme and any role, right away.
This is getting worse.. That's a lot to give up when there is so many holes to fill????! WTF.. Almost feels like they are desperate and know they have to do something to make up for what has happened??? These players better pan out or this Franchise will be setback for years! wow..
It's a perfectly reasonable move. Baker must have been the top corner on their board, by a fair margin. They got him at a price they could readily afford, considering the abundance of 4th and 5th round picks in their pocket.
In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
Not really. The Giants had too many late picks, couldn't keep 12 rookies. They packaged two expendable picks plus their 2nd for a late 1st. I think it's a great deal.
Baker's gotta be good though. All is forgiven if the player is good.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Gettleman clearly understands the Giants needed a tremendous improvement in the secondary. Peppers, Baker, and Haley are a good core to build from.
Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea, Beal, Baker, Haley ... this secondary has talent. Should be significantly improved ... now if only josh Allen was a giant too
This could be the Darrell Revis of this draft in the Giants trade up to get him this time. All and I mean all of the great QBs have had that kind of attitude. He didn't allow a TD in two years in the SEC that isn't an accident.
In comment 14408419 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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In comment 14408367 Anakim said:
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In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
That's your take?
Delete the comment and take 5 minutes to put more work into it. That's ridiculous.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Baker is a beast. Imagine getting Allen at 6? We'd have transformed the defense in one night.
In comment 14408419 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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In comment 14408367 Anakim said:
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In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
I had Greedy as the superior PROSPECT than Baker because Greedy has better physical traits, but Baker will be fine. He excels in press. He can definitely go against Michael Thomas.
Ryan Dunleavy
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#Giants traded No. 37, 132 (fourth round) and 142 (fifth round) for No. 30 to take CB DeAndre Baker. #nygiants #nyg #nfldraft
to move up 7 spots we had to give up a 4 and 5??? overpay!!!!
It was not an overpay. He was actually an underpay if you look at the trade value chart.
I like the confidence Baker plays with. I think he will be a great corner in this league, and if he is then he is absolutely worth giving up a late 4th and early 5th for. Picks outside of the top 100 more often not don't amount to anything.
Have to respect the fact the Giants basically had their pick of any corner in the draft with this pick and they chose Baker. Doesn't really matter what us fans think, he was at the top of their value board and he very well may have been the top DB on their value board (unless for some reason they really liked Abram or Savage).
If he becomes a true #1 CB then you can't argue with the move. But it is interesting that Baker, Murphy, Greedy, and Rock Ya-Sin were all still on the board and one of them was bound to fall to #37. They must have REALLY liked Baker. Link - ( New Window )
In comment 14408419 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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In comment 14408367 Anakim said:
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In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
That's your take?
Delete the comment and take 5 minutes to put more work into it. That's ridiculous.
To keep all this in perspective, wasnt Michael Thomas drafted In the second round?? Just goes to show you how this is not an exact science
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Baker is a beast. Imagine getting Allen at 6? We'd have transformed the defense in one night.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
My God, on what do you base this kind of statement? Rated by many the best corner in the draft, so what's the empirical evidence that "he can't cover?"
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker won the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season. He was a consensus all-American and a two-time all-SEC selection.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
I had Baker as the best CB in the draft. Very happy with him. Worth the trade.
But he guaranteed it, lol. First pick I liked, but this night will go down as a memorable one, bad or good, I don't know. But we had chances to upgrade the pass rush and online with top talent but didn't. Also, corner is a very hard position to adjust to as a rookie. Next year will feature growing pains for sure.
2: DeAndre Baker Georgia 511/193
Grade: 83
Summary: Baker was a three year starter for the Bulldogs that progressively improved as a prospect from the beginning of 2017. The two-time all SEC defender (1st Team in 2018) brings the kind of confidence and swagger that can take on the numerous challenges of playing cornerback in the NFL. He can be left alone on an island and stick with anyone on all levels of the route tree as well as make plays on the ball like a receiver. His issues can be correctable, mainly the technique-based and mental ones. The lack of power presence can be an issue at times but in a league where contact is allowed less and less in coverage, the corners that can get the job done via instincts, agility, and speed stand out a bit more.
*Another safe pick here that may have a limited upside, but at this position you just want reliable. That is Baker is a nutshell. I love the competitive spirit, the swagger he shows on the outside. Do I trust him against a Michael Thomas on an island? Probably not. But at the end of the day that isnt the job of a #1 corner on most teams. He can fit in to any coverage scheme and any role, right away.
NFL Comparison: TreDavious White / BUF
What school of logic do some of you fuckers attend?
Ridiculous. And he was a All-American, All-SEC TWICE and he won the award for the best DB in college.
But yep, he can't cover
People have done studies and hit rates (for them becoming starters) is like 10%.
We gave up nothing.
Lmao. 4th and 5th founders arent nothing when this team has as many holes as it does.
Yep, unless they trade Jenkins now for a 3.
Well worth it.
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
Gettleman clearly understands the Giants needed a tremendous improvement in the secondary. Peppers, Baker, and Haley are a good core to build from.
Hopefully another trade up tomorrow for a guy like Maxx Crosby?
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So much for the asshat info of acquiring more picks between 37 and 95.
Yep, unless they trade Jenkins now for a 3.
I can't see anyone giving a three for Jenkins.
He didn't allow a TD in his last 2 college seasons according to Kim Jones - how does a guy who can't cover accomplish that?
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
Baker's gotta be good though. All is forgiven if the player is good.
Sure draft a cb when the web has 10s to throw on 1st and 10.
Stop covering for DG.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Gettleman clearly understands the Giants needed a tremendous improvement in the secondary. Peppers, Baker, and Haley are a good core to build from.
Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea, Beal, Baker, Haley ... this secondary has talent. Should be significantly improved ... now if only josh Allen was a giant too
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In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
That's your take?
Delete the comment and take 5 minutes to put more work into it. That's ridiculous.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Baker is a beast. Imagine getting Allen at 6? We'd have transformed the defense in one night.
What school of logic do some of you fuckers attend?
Devry University school of scouting, online degrees available
That means that any CB is going to struggle against a big, strong WR.
You quoted Sy but clearly didn't fucking read what he said.
Well done.
Suddenly Carter becomes that much more important.
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In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
I had Greedy as the superior PROSPECT than Baker because Greedy has better physical traits, but Baker will be fine. He excels in press. He can definitely go against Michael Thomas.
And basically signed a rb that commits to 4 m against our cap when we shouldve just drafted a 7th rounder and paid him nothing
Same guy who said u cant reach or draft based on need last year
Dave Fuckin Gettleman. ... correction. MR. Gettleman.
Lmfao
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Ryan Dunleavy
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#Giants traded No. 37, 132 (fourth round) and 142 (fifth round) for No. 30 to take CB DeAndre Baker. #nygiants #nyg #nfldraft
to move up 7 spots we had to give up a 4 and 5??? overpay!!!!
It was not an overpay. He was actually an underpay if you look at the trade value chart.
I like the confidence Baker plays with. I think he will be a great corner in this league, and if he is then he is absolutely worth giving up a late 4th and early 5th for. Picks outside of the top 100 more often not don't amount to anything.
Have to respect the fact the Giants basically had their pick of any corner in the draft with this pick and they chose Baker. Doesn't really matter what us fans think, he was at the top of their value board and he very well may have been the top DB on their value board (unless for some reason they really liked Abram or Savage).
If he becomes a true #1 CB then you can't argue with the move. But it is interesting that Baker, Murphy, Greedy, and Rock Ya-Sin were all still on the board and one of them was bound to fall to #37. They must have REALLY liked Baker.
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In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
That's your take?
Delete the comment and take 5 minutes to put more work into it. That's ridiculous.
To keep all this in perspective, wasnt Michael Thomas drafted In the second round?? Just goes to show you how this is not an exact science
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6 catches, 33 yards.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Baker is a beast. Imagine getting Allen at 6? We'd have transformed the defense in one night.
Yeah, that hurts. Still does.
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this night has been terrible.
Reached for a QB when a first rate edge rusher was there.
Reached for a DL when a superior edge rusher (or which, we have none) was there.
This draft will be looked back as setting this franchise back three years.
You could be right. Could be wrong. Just gotta wait and see. No reason to freak out in either direction.
Sure draft a cb when the web has 10s to throw on 1st and 10.
Stop covering for DG.
Pass rush is not just from edge guys. Fastest path is a straight line and Lawrence will blow up a lot of plays up the gut.
[quote] And will effect the coverage. [/quote
Allen solves this. But no more beating the dead horse. What's done is done. I hope Daniel Jones is a fucking monster.
Of course, most of those takes are by fucking nitwits who probably didn't ace math, but it gets said anyway.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.