I wanted Allen too. But we will have a ton of cap space next year can easily sign ER next year. If jones is the real deal then you take him every day of the week over Allen. That being said time will tell. I hope DG and company are better talent evaluators than me which shouldnt be hard.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
On the other hand, Isabella had 15 catches for 220 yards, and 2 TDs... ;)
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
Give me the 4.5 guy in shorts who is also 4.5 in pads versus the 4.3 guy who plays like a 4.9 on the field.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
Why? Because he didn't run in the 4.4s? He played and did extremely well against the likes of Emmanuel Hall, Darius Slayton and Deebo Samuel. Those three guys have EXCEPTIONAL speed. Fuck 40 times.
And he also did an excellent job against likely top-10 pick next year, Alabama's Jerry Jeudy.
but how good is it if you don't have pass rushers to help?? This will definitely be affected if you can't presser the QB! The biggest problem last year was the Giants couldn't get to the QB!! And on top of that you give up a lot of picks that are much needed to fill the many holes..
Reached for a QB when a first rate edge rusher was there.
Reached for a DL when a superior edge rusher (or which, we have none) was there.
This draft will be looked back as setting this franchise back three years.
Last year it was the obsession with quarterbacks and this year the obsession is with edge rushers. Youd think the giants had one need going into the draft and it was edge rusher when in reality the giants could have picked almost any position and found a way to help their team because of the state of the roster, but carry on. It was something about edge rushers?
You realize the draft is not over yet. Not to mention that Lawrence is a one man wrecking crew who will open up others to make plays. Would you have sacrificed a QB of the future? A NT who has been compared to Haloti Ngata and will move Tomlinson to 3-4 DE where he is better suited? Or a shutdown CB? One of those would have to go to get a pass rusher.
RE: FWIW, if you go by the value charts, the Giants UNDERpaid slightly.
It's a perfectly reasonable move. Baker must have been the top corner on their board, by a fair margin. They got him at a price they could readily afford, considering the abundance of 4th and 5th round picks in their pocket.
People realize they had 3 5th rd picks right?
They still have a 3 and a 4th to try and get starters and they have other picks to fill out the roster and move around.
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In comment 14408318 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
Did you read Sy's review? Gave him an "83" rating, said he's a baller, really good player. But maybe you know more and are a better talent evaluator.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
On the other hand, Isabella had 15 catches for 220 yards, and 2 TDs... ;)
I didn't see that game, admittedly, but based on what I've read, Baker was only lined up against him on two pass plays.
Of course, most of those takes are by fucking nitwits who probably didn't ace math, but it gets said anyway.
He does. HE PAID An over the hill FREE AGENT running back guaranteed money.
Just stop yourself and think about that
Can you tell me how much of that money counts against the cap right now?
How much he does or doesnt right now isnt the debate at hand.
The debate is that DG screamed at reporters and fans about not reaching, not drafting based on need for 2+ years.
And hes basically done the exact opposite in the most important draft class of his tenure
Please tell me when the giants are going to have two 1st round picks again to draft a qb.
We wont.
The next qb we draft is because we are 3-13 or we pay three first round picks.
Now do you understand why DG is overrated? Screaming and feigning that he had a plan is a complete joke. He wanted to give OT money to an OG. He signed a rb to a massive guaranteed deal when the roster had 2 functional rbs already.
Isabella did most of his damage (including his two TDs) in the fourth quarter against backups. When lined up against Baker, he caught 2 of 2 targets. Whoopey!
Meanwhile, Baker shut down Deebo, Slayton, Hall and guaranteed first rounder next year Jerry Jeudy. He's a stud.
you have a Manning clone to groom behind Manning, A dancing Grizzly bear in the middle of the defense and a potential shutdown corner, and more drama to come
Gettleman clearly understands the Giants needed a tremendous improvement in the secondary. Peppers, Baker, and Haley are a good core to build from.
Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea, Beal, Baker, Haley ... this secondary has talent. Should be significantly improved ... now if only josh Allen was a giant too
Jenkins was unwatchabley bad last year, Beal couldn't make it through a single practice and has had 2 procedures on the same shoulder, and Bethea is 36.
I'd like to see the Giants spend another pick on a safety or corner on day 3.
how stupid can you be, you think we got a first for a package of 4s and 5s? WTF?
You are talking about someone who has bashed every move the Giants have made. Logic does not apply.
First of all, love the fact you read all of my posts. Gives me the warm and tinglies, really.
Secondly, youre a moron who is full of shit with terrible reading comprehension skills I have not bashed every move the Giants make. But please, continue with the false narrative. Whatever gets you to sleep at night sweetie.
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
RE: Hey huygens20 - please excuse me if this sounds rude but
No problem. As long as the folks that feign DJ was a good pick admit that Gettleman lied for 2 years straight about not reaching or drafting based on need.
RE: who the hell is surprised we traded 37 in this deal?
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Can say with a straight face that Jones tape as a QB
was better than
Rosens , josh Allen, Devin Bush, or Ed Oliver ot Wilkinson st their respective positions
Dare yourself.
Some of you guys are just deluded Mr. Gettleman supporters.
I did a double facepalm when they announced the pick. But I don't know anything. I've been on BBI long enough to remember this board going apeshit when the Giants drafted Philip Rivers to trade him and picks for Eli Manning. They were sure the Giants should keep Kerry Collins and take CAN'T MISS BLUE GOOSE TACKLE Robert Gallery. Who ended up having a decent NFL career as a guard, I guess.
None of us know the future. We're all just fans on the Internet.
He got his top corner and his 2nd highest rated DT.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
You nailed it.
17 & 37 for Daniel Jones at 13, 14
I dont think Jones was making it past Denver and Cincy. The question is whether Allen + Jones + 132 + 142 is better than Jones + Lawrence + Baker. I am assuming 8 for 17 & 37. 132 or 142 might have also needed to be included so take that from left side if that is the case.
Can say with a straight face that Jones tape as a QB
was better than
Rosens , josh Allen, Devin Bush, or Ed Oliver ot Wilkinson st their respective positions
Dare yourself.
Some of you guys are just deluded Mr. Gettleman supporters.
I did a double facepalm when they announced the pick. But I don't know anything. I've been on BBI long enough to remember this board going apeshit when the Giants drafted Philip Rivers to trade him and picks for Eli Manning. They were sure the Giants should keep Kerry Collins and take CAN'T MISS BLUE GOOSE TACKLE Robert Gallery. Who ended up having a decent NFL career as a guard, I guess.
None of us know the future. We're all just fans on the Internet.
Im with you. Thats why I said tape and reach
Dj is all about projecting his development.
He either becomes Ryan tannehill, Blake bortles, Blaine gabbert,
Or
Alex Smith plus
What school of logic do some of you fuckers attend?
Fats. These fucking monkey asses are unbelievable. I have never heard such ass talking.
Of course, most of those takes are by fucking nitwits who probably didn't ace math, but it gets said anyway.
He does. HE PAID An over the hill FREE AGENT running back guaranteed money.
Just stop yourself and think about that
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
On the other hand, Isabella had 15 catches for 220 yards, and 2 TDs... ;)
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6 catches, 33 yards.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
Give me the 4.5 guy in shorts who is also 4.5 in pads versus the 4.3 guy who plays like a 4.9 on the field.
You know what's the best thing about this piece of shit post?
He's deadly serious.
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seemingly counts more against the cap every day.
Of course, most of those takes are by fucking nitwits who probably didn't ace math, but it gets said anyway.
He does. HE PAID An over the hill FREE AGENT running back guaranteed money.
Just stop yourself and think about that
Can you tell me how much of that money counts against the cap right now?
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6 catches, 33 yards.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
Nope. Not with his athletic scoring.
He was drafted approximately where he deserved to be.
Why? Because he didn't run in the 4.4s? He played and did extremely well against the likes of Emmanuel Hall, Darius Slayton and Deebo Samuel. Those three guys have EXCEPTIONAL speed. Fuck 40 times.
And he also did an excellent job against likely top-10 pick next year, Alabama's Jerry Jeudy.
I do think the way this unfolded it's very likely they will sign Remmers now.
Well worth it.
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this night has been terrible.
Reached for a QB when a first rate edge rusher was there.
Reached for a DL when a superior edge rusher (or which, we have none) was there.
This draft will be looked back as setting this franchise back three years.
Last year it was the obsession with quarterbacks and this year the obsession is with edge rushers. Youd think the giants had one need going into the draft and it was edge rusher when in reality the giants could have picked almost any position and found a way to help their team because of the state of the roster, but carry on. It was something about edge rushers?
Well worth it.
It was a 2nd, 4th and 5th. Again, thats not nothing.
You realize the draft is not over yet. Not to mention that Lawrence is a one man wrecking crew who will open up others to make plays. Would you have sacrificed a QB of the future? A NT who has been compared to Haloti Ngata and will move Tomlinson to 3-4 DE where he is better suited? Or a shutdown CB? One of those would have to go to get a pass rusher.
They still have a 3 and a 4th to try and get starters and they have other picks to fill out the roster and move around.
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cannot cover.
That's an atrocious take. He gave up no TDs the last two years. NO TDs. Baker win the Jim Thorpe Award, presented to college football's best defensive back, last season.
Yeah, sure. He can't cover....
According to Sy, Don't want him on an island against Michael Thomas. What does that mean to you?
Did you read Sy's review? Gave him an "83" rating, said he's a baller, really good player. But maybe you know more and are a better talent evaluator.
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6 catches, 33 yards.
If Baker declared after his junior year (2018), he probably would have been a top-10-15 pick. He was a better prospect than Denzel Ward, who went fourth last year.
On the other hand, Isabella had 15 catches for 220 yards, and 2 TDs... ;)
I didn't see that game, admittedly, but based on what I've read, Baker was only lined up against him on two pass plays.
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To move up 7 spots for this guy.
Well worth it.
It was a 2nd, 4th and 5th. Again, thats not nothing.
Green Bay gave up a 1st and 2 4s for a player rated by many as a 3rd Rounder. I am surprised you and Rflairr havent committed suicide yet.
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#Giants feel DeAndre Baker is best cover cornerback in the #NFLDraft.
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#Giants feel DeAndre Baker is best cover cornerback in the #NFLDraft.
I mean that kind of goes without saying considering the Giants were the first team to take a CB in this Draft. Haha
You are talking about someone who has bashed every move the Giants have made. Logic does not apply.
I didn't see that game, admittedly, but based on what I've read, Baker was only lined up against him on two pass plays.
Just busting your chops. I saw the game actually, but couldn't tell you who covered him most of the day... ;)
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seemingly counts more against the cap every day.
Of course, most of those takes are by fucking nitwits who probably didn't ace math, but it gets said anyway.
He does. HE PAID An over the hill FREE AGENT running back guaranteed money.
Just stop yourself and think about that
Can you tell me how much of that money counts against the cap right now?
How much he does or doesnt right now isnt the debate at hand.
The debate is that DG screamed at reporters and fans about not reaching, not drafting based on need for 2+ years.
And hes basically done the exact opposite in the most important draft class of his tenure
Please tell me when the giants are going to have two 1st round picks again to draft a qb.
We wont.
The next qb we draft is because we are 3-13 or we pay three first round picks.
Now do you understand why DG is overrated? Screaming and feigning that he had a plan is a complete joke. He wanted to give OT money to an OG. He signed a rb to a massive guaranteed deal when the roster had 2 functional rbs already.
Meanwhile, Baker shut down Deebo, Slayton, Hall and guaranteed first rounder next year Jerry Jeudy. He's a stud.
This defense could have been transformed overnight if they hadn't wasted the 6th pick.
You do realize that the OG did get OT money, but from Jacksonville, right?
It's OK to just admit you aren't that bright.
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Tremendous area of need.
Gettleman clearly understands the Giants needed a tremendous improvement in the secondary. Peppers, Baker, and Haley are a good core to build from.
Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea, Beal, Baker, Haley ... this secondary has talent. Should be significantly improved ... now if only josh Allen was a giant too
Jenkins was unwatchabley bad last year, Beal couldn't make it through a single practice and has had 2 procedures on the same shoulder, and Bethea is 36.
I'd like to see the Giants spend another pick on a safety or corner on day 3.
Josh Allen
Devin Bush
Ed Oliver
Dont reach.
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how stupid can you be, you think we got a first for a package of 4s and 5s? WTF?
You are talking about someone who has bashed every move the Giants have made. Logic does not apply.
First of all, love the fact you read all of my posts. Gives me the warm and tinglies, really.
Secondly, youre a moron who is full of shit with terrible reading comprehension skills I have not bashed every move the Giants make. But please, continue with the false narrative. Whatever gets you to sleep at night sweetie.
was better than
Rosens , josh Allen, Devin Bush, or Ed Oliver ot Wilkinson st their respective positions
Dare yourself.
Some of you guys are just deluded Mr. Gettleman supporters.
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He wanted to give OT money to an OG
You do realize that the OG did get OT money, but from Jacksonville, right?
It's OK to just admit you aren't that bright.
Yeah, his first choice was to sign a OG when we didnt even have a single replacement level tackle on the team.
Whose stupid now?
Josh Allen
Devin Bush
Ed Oliver
Dont reach.
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
No problem. As long as the folks that feign DJ was a good pick admit that Gettleman lied for 2 years straight about not reaching or drafting based on need.
This made me laugh. Its amazing how some on here think we can just trade like three late round picks for a first rounder.
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Daniel Jones ahead of
Josh Allen
Devin Bush
Ed Oliver
Dont reach.
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
You nailed it.
17 & 37 for Daniel Jones at 13, 14
Whose stupid now?
You probably don't even get the unintentional irony of the use of stupid there.
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how stupid can you be, you think we got a first for a package of 4s and 5s? WTF?
This made me laugh. Its amazing how some on here think we can just trade like three late round picks for a first rounder.
Who said this? I know I didnt.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
was better than
Rosens , josh Allen, Devin Bush, or Ed Oliver ot Wilkinson st their respective positions
Dare yourself.
Some of you guys are just deluded Mr. Gettleman supporters.
None of us know the future. We're all just fans on the Internet.
Both of these were huge needs for the Giants.
BTW, the Giants needed a young QB. They obviously like Jones a lot. So, they took him where they felt they had to in order to make sure they got there guy. They obviously liked him significantly better than the other QBs. You all don't agree - WTF do you know?
Who are you playing at QB net year if you don't draft one in the first? You want another mid round flyer that doesn't work out? Or, the mystery QB next year where you have to trade two #1s, plus to get into striking distance? Then what, another year of shitty football playing a rookie?
Well, carry on with your whining...
Dont forget about Kyle Lauletta now
Another Mr. Gettleman classic
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Daniel Jones ahead of
Josh Allen
Devin Bush
Ed Oliver
Dont reach.
I wanted Allen, but I am sure James Bettcher was consulted about which players he wanted in his Defense. Perhaps they did not see a role for Bush or Oliver at 6. It is clear they liked Allen and maybe if it was me I would have taken Allen first and traded up to get the QB, but we also dont know if perhaps the Giants see later pass rushers who they like.
You nailed it.
17 & 37 for Daniel Jones at 13, 14
I dont think Jones was making it past Denver and Cincy. The question is whether Allen + Jones + 132 + 142 is better than Jones + Lawrence + Baker. I am assuming 8 for 17 & 37. 132 or 142 might have also needed to be included so take that from left side if that is the case.
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Can say with a straight face that Jones tape as a QB
was better than
Rosens , josh Allen, Devin Bush, or Ed Oliver ot Wilkinson st their respective positions
Dare yourself.
Some of you guys are just deluded Mr. Gettleman supporters.
I did a double facepalm when they announced the pick. But I don't know anything. I've been on BBI long enough to remember this board going apeshit when the Giants drafted Philip Rivers to trade him and picks for Eli Manning. They were sure the Giants should keep Kerry Collins and take CAN'T MISS BLUE GOOSE TACKLE Robert Gallery. Who ended up having a decent NFL career as a guard, I guess.
None of us know the future. We're all just fans on the Internet.
Im with you. Thats why I said tape and reach
Dj is all about projecting his development.
He either becomes Ryan tannehill, Blake bortles, Blaine gabbert,
Or
Alex Smith plus