Our draft would be the best in the league and we'd be on the path back to the top, even without a QB pick. I can't believe Gettleman wasted the 6th pick that way. His ability to pick defensive players is quite good and he should have just stuck to that even with the specter of an aging Eli because there was no need to reach for a QB this year as none of them were worth it.
Imagine getting an elite pass rusher, a monster nose tackle and a potential shutdown corner on one night to completely remake the defense? We still got the monster nose tackle and the potential shutdown corner which is nice but I just didn't see an NFL QB when I saw Duke playing football this year. I saw a nice college QB who could be a backup or spot starter in Daniel Jones. I pray that he proves me and most of us wrong and am rooting for him to do so because he looks like he'll be The Man after Eli...
Basically people are pissed because we picked a QB they didn't like too high.
Basically people are pissed because we picked a QB they didn't like too high.
With that kind of defensive haul I'd actually be OK with kicking the can down the road another year. We weren't winning a SB this year regardless. Next year is the big QB draft where we could possibly get a top guy picking in the upper half of the draft
If they did they would go Allen, see if Jones falls if not go with Rosen. They just love Jones.
Allen lawerance and baker would be a great rebuild at all three levels of defense but then you kick QB can down road
Then Gettleman is a genius and I'll be happy to eat all the crow on earth
We had 2 first round picks in a non qb draft. And we still fumbled the ball bc DG reached and fell in love with a guy whose got a really really low floor.
Like Blake bortles low.
I saw a couple of his games this year too and didn't see anything resembling a franchise NFL QB. The only QB I thought resembled that in the classic pocket passer mold was Haskins and even he didn't seem like a sure thing
That's what I thought Gettleman was going to do, which was why I was pretty optimistic about the team going forward, until about four hours ago.
3 1st round picks, in.a draft loaded with front 7 elite talent and a mediocre QBs class and deep DB class ... reach on QB, DT, CB ... and no pick until 95th overall while a ton of quality talent just drifts off the board
This draft is disgusting. Could’ve overhauled this entire unit overnight ... still no pass rush, no QB in a loaded class next year, and we’re down a 4/5th rounder
I love dexter Lawrence, but this is a pathetic haul. Needs and reaches, what bad teams do. Giants are a joke
Nothing against Jones, but most NYG fans wanted Allen over EVERYBODY. After TB took Devin White it was a dream come true for about ten minutes.
3 1st round picks, in.a draft loaded with front 7 elite talent and a mediocre QBs class and deep DB class ... reach on QB, DT, CB ... and no pick until 95th overall while a ton of quality talent just drifts off the board
This draft is disgusting. Could’ve overhauled this entire unit overnight ... still no pass rush, no QB in a loaded class next year, and we’re down a 4/5th rounder
I love dexter Lawrence, but this is a pathetic haul. Needs and reaches, what bad teams do. Giants are a joke
Obvious dupe is obvious
Unless he becomes a top-tier franchise QB he wasted the pick. I didn't think there was a surefire franchise QB in this draft (not even Murray, but that's due to his style of play and his high potential to get injured a la RG3). Next year was the time to go all in on a QB with Tua, Fromm, Herbert, etc.
3 1st round picks, in.a draft loaded with front 7 elite talent and a mediocre QBs class and deep DB class ... reach on QB, DT, CB ... and no pick until 95th overall while a ton of quality talent just drifts off the board
This draft is disgusting. Could’ve overhauled this entire unit overnight ... still no pass rush, no QB in a loaded class next year, and we’re down a 4/5th rounder
I love dexter Lawrence, but this is a pathetic haul. Needs and reaches, what bad teams do. Giants are a joke
No, I think the Lawrence and Baker picks are very strong picks at obvious positions of need. My only issue was Jones because I didn't see a franchise QB in this draft
Go to bed before you embarrass yourself by saying more overtly obvious or just plain dumb stuff.
the goods then I m good with it . I good with the picks
so far . Lawrence is a beast Baker best CB in the draft
We got a QB that has all the tools and as Sy"56 mentioned
checks most of the boxes .
Basically people are pissed because we picked a QB they didn't like too high.
I’d bet you be hard pressed to find a good number of posters who would be saying that.
How would you like people to react? “I trust the Giants” every time?
Go to bed before you embarrass yourself by saying more overtly obvious or just plain dumb stuff.
No. It was OK to kick the QB can down the road one more year because you have Tua, Fromm, Herbert at the very minimum next year and we are still probably picking pretty high in the 2020 draft even with Allen at #6 as all three defensive players are rookies
If you're not winning anything this year with Eli or someone else at QB and you see 2 or 3 potential franchise QBs next year you wait on one of them. Do not force the QB pick, ever. Build up the rest of the team
i would have probably taken greedy williams with that 2nd round pick and not given up the picks to move up for baker but he is a very good player and worth the price to go get so its hard to argue with that pick.
there will be a run on corners at the top of round 2 likely so better to make sure they get the one they wanted most and there is only 2-3 top tier ones in this draft its a far bigger need than many appreciated
end of the day the giants were never going to be able to draft a QB,ER,LB,RT,C,FS,CB and WR in the first round of 1 draft even after the beckham and vernon trade netted them zietler,peppers and dexter lawrence (and a 3rd round pick to use on one of the above holes as well)
checks most of the boxes .
Just wow. DID you selectively pick what SY said or what? DIdn;t SY say he'd pass on Jones?
it would have been like drafting Batman and Robin, or the Green Hornet and Kato, or... pick your duo.
We coulda put the big hurt on teams trying to run against us...
What was that mantra Dave? "You gotta run the ball, stop the run and rush the passer..."
Fooking windbag. He better be right on this stiff Davey Jones.
Go to bed before you embarrass yourself by saying more overtly obvious or just plain dumb stuff.
People can look at prior history. Jones was an extremely inefficient passer (one of the worst in the draft class), that doesn't improve in the NFL. No college QB has improved their passing efficiency over their first four years in the NFL. I know, shitty teammates, yadda yadda, other players have shitty teammates as well.
Gettleman is literally riding on Jones being a statistical anomaly. Not that he probably knows or cares, because it's not like he gives a fuck about that.
True outliers are very rare. While you can make excuses for anyone in pretty much any endeavor: prior performance is the best indicator of future success both individually and across a cohort.
If someone wasn't an efficient accurate passer at a lower level of competition, and Jones wasn't. He's not magically going to become one when the competition is also improving.
Lmao 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
In the end I wanted 2 defenders and a trade for Rosen.
We got 2 defenders and Jones.
Obviously edge rush is a need still- but the defense got better- Jones At 6 is high but I’ll get over it
We got 2 defenders and Jones.
Obviously edge rush is a need still- but the defense got better- Jones At 6 is high but I’ll get over it
Jones (trade 17, 37, and possibly 132/142 for 8)
Whatever picks we kept or 132/142
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Jones
Lawrence
Baker
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Duh. So you think we drafted him 6th overall because they think he won't become that? And exactly how will you determine, tonight sitting at your computer, if Gettelman was right or wrong about that?
Go to bed before you embarrass yourself by saying more overtly obvious or just plain dumb stuff.
People can look at prior history. Jones was an extremely inefficient passer (one of the worst in the draft class), that doesn't improve in the NFL. No college QB has improved their passing efficiency over their first four years in the NFL. I know, shitty teammates, yadda yadda, other players have shitty teammates as well.
Gettleman is literally riding on Jones being a statistical anomaly. Not that he probably knows or cares, because it's not like he gives a fuck about that.
True outliers are very rare. While you can make excuses for anyone in pretty much any endeavor: prior performance is the best indicator of future success both individually and across a cohort.
If someone wasn't an efficient accurate passer at a lower level of competition, and Jones wasn't. He's not magically going to become one when the competition is also improving.
You nailed it. My sentiments exactly. Just didn’t feel like typing it all out. Thanks for doing it for me.
I'm an eternal optimist, so I'll believe the predictions that he's the second coming of Peyton Manning until proven otherwise.
Great draft!
If he's good, they made the right move.
Sy said he's average, you can find people like him in every draft.
I trust Sy.
I'm pissed.
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what if Daniel Jones turns out to be a franchise QB?
Sy said he's average, you can find people like him in every draft.
I trust Sy.
I'm pissed.
Good... makes the pick look even better that you’re pissed.
He better be. He has to be. Anything else and this pick is garbage. With Rosen on the discount, Haskins, and Lock all available and in 2 cases for much less, Jones needs to be much better than all of them. And if Allen becomes a stud, it will sting that much more.
Basically people are pissed because we picked a QB they didn't like too high.
There we no QBs worth picking in the first round this year including Murray. We picked one just because, we don;t even expect him to play next year. And if Eli has a good year behind a decent line, what was the point?
It would indeed be really cool if Gettleman gets to enjoy that last laugh.
I wish it will happen, but it really probably won't.
He compared Daniel Jones favorably to Peyton Manning. Is that list? Is it nothing?
Then Gettlemen really IS the smartest guy in the room, since I've since very little to indicate he's going to be better than mediocre.
I saw more promising scouting reports on our 3rd round pick just now, then Daniel Jones.
See I can state my opinion as fact too.
my answer to this is Eli Manning is suppose to be a franchise QB
we are paying him like one .. we have install him as Starter with no potential competition like he is one.
a franchise QB is nothing if you don't have a talented squad around them
So now we have a squad that lack serious talent especially at defense
and TWO franchise QBs on the roster
oh and we are in a WIN NOT situation according to our GM and Coach
The sheer confidence that so many BBIers and fans have in the credibility of their hot-take opinions is staggering.