If we're doing this many hypotheticals, I wonder what happens if Jones is good and you have to become a Jets fan because looking at him reminds you of how wrong you were every day.
If we're doing this many hypotheticals, I wonder what happens if Jones is good and you have to become a Jets fan because looking at him reminds you of how wrong you were every day.
The odds are against this. There’s 3 years of mediocre tape.
Floor: Blake bortles
Ceiling: Alex Smith when he had all star coaching.
It's not like the stopped looking at tape. There's a whole organization and a team of scouts checking the guy out. He had a draft grade.
Plus, let's note that (if this account is correct) he said "professional quarterback" not "Hall of Famer" or "a guy who is going to win five Super Bowls." Geno Smith and Mark Sanchez are professional quarterbacks, too.
I've also had the experience of seeing an audition and knowing instantly that this is a major talent. And he was. Cast him on the spot. He had to drop out of my show because he booked a national tour. Next time I saw him was onstage on Broadway. He's still working in TV and movies.
It's not like the stopped looking at tape. There's a whole organization and a team of scouts checking the guy out. He had a draft grade.
Plus, let's note that (if this account is correct) he said "professional quarterback" not "Hall of Famer" or "a guy who is going to win five Super Bowls." Geno Smith and Mark Sanchez are professional quarterbacks, too.
I've also had the experience of seeing an audition and knowing instantly that this is a major talent. And he was. Cast him on the spot. He had to drop out of my show because he booked a national tour. Next time I saw him was onstage on Broadway. He's still working in TV and movies.
Mr Gettleman does not listen to his scouts.
Go back and listen to his story on drafting Barkley.
He says unequivocally that when mayfield went #1 he made up his mind on Barkley and didn’t want any discussion or to waste time.
Dg runs the draft board like a fascist. It’s all him.
we got our sound bite that certain posters are going to foist up time and again to mean something.
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
To be fair, you normally eviscerate those who say stupid shit.
I can't imagine FMiC would tolerate Gettleman if he posted on BBI.
Name a time I've ripped people for quotes they give? This place goes apeshit over everything said, and one of the ringleadersof doing that spent most of the 90's slobbering all over Parcells snippets.
They are sound bites. They become memes like "Playoffs?" or "We play to win the game" or "Crown their asses".
They don't become platforms for serious discussion or microanalyzing how deeply they've scouted a player.
I won't even address the obvious difference between a person answering reporters questions and morons on a message board.
I watched the senior bowl practices and the senior bowl, and I thought he sucked. He just does not appear to the naked eye to have any special natural talent. He looks like a mediocre QB through-and-through. Probably why he ended up at freaking Duke.
we got our sound bite that certain posters are going to foist up time and again to mean something.
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
To be fair, you normally eviscerate those who say stupid shit.
I can't imagine FMiC would tolerate Gettleman if he posted on BBI.
Name a time I've ripped people for quotes they give? This place goes apeshit over everything said, and one of the ringleadersof doing that spent most of the 90's slobbering all over Parcells snippets.
They are sound bites. They become memes like "Playoffs?" or "We play to win the game" or "Crown their asses".
They don't become platforms for serious discussion or microanalyzing how deeply they've scouted a player.
I won't even address the obvious difference between a person answering reporters questions and morons on a message board.
The guys on the message board know more about the prospects than any f the reporters asking questions.
They are just spoonfed agent speak and rumors. The message board actually knows if the players have good tape or not.
I watched the senior bowl practices and the senior bowl, and I thought he sucked. He just does not appear to the naked eye to have any special natural talent. He looks like a mediocre QB through-and-through. Probably why he ended up at freaking Duke.
That’s because he sucked during practice but played well for three series in the actual game.
If you search the senior bowl reports you will see this.
"guys" on a message board could refer to you, an absolute fucking moron who keeps saying Gettleman runs the draft like a fascist and assorted other crap.
Don't give yourself credit above being one of the most idiotic motherfuckers to pollute the board tonight.
I watched the senior bowl practices and the senior bowl, and I thought he sucked. He just does not appear to the naked eye to have any special natural talent. He looks like a mediocre QB through-and-through. Probably why he ended up at freaking Duke.
I can't claim to have watched all the Senior Bowl practices, but those are generally thought to be far more important than the game, and the word from the practices was that Jones disappointed.
If he didn't and drafted him anyway I'd be a lot more concerned about that than him being bombastic at a midnight presser where he just made Giants history by engineering three 1st Round draft picks.
Unreal the lack of intelligent criticisms tonight. You guys are better than this. Get some rest please and try again tomorrow. This has been like shooting fish in a barrel.
"guys" on a message board could refer to you, an absolute fucking moron who keeps saying Gettleman runs the draft like a fascist and assorted other crap.
Don't give yourself credit above being one of the most idiotic motherfuckers to pollute the board tonight.
I watched the senior bowl practices and the senior bowl, and I thought he sucked. He just does not appear to the naked eye to have any special natural talent. He looks like a mediocre QB through-and-through. Probably why he ended up at freaking Duke.
Me, too. He and Grier looked dreadful in the drills.
So I have no clue what Gettleman saw. Or which three series...
And no one cares about the game. The scouts leave town Friday night before the Saturday game.
He said that it is important to see players play in games, because the "environment" is important. Evidently, the Senior Bowl was enough of an environment. And after three series, for fuck's sake. In those series, incidentally, he only avoided getting picked twice narrowly. But minor details. He felt like a professional.
DSG evidently thought those three series were better than the show Haskins put on in multiple games, including the Big 10 Title game, where Haskins shredded Northwestern. DSG wouldn't know how Jones played in real games other than watching tape on the guy. That is criminal.
These are not just soundbytes. They are real quotes, and they are horrific. He also said that it is possible Jones will be a franchise QB in time but he could sit for three years.
Honestly, I am questioning whether the guy is of sound mind at this point. I don't know whether he has any idea what he is saying any more.
he runs his mouth too much and tried to be far too cute. For all his talk of a QB needing to survive NY, he himself displays far too much of the sort of things he'd probably rule a QB out for having. For one he's awfully, awfully defensive.
a guy who consistently calls the GM "DSG" has a slanted take on him??
Go fucking figure.
See, you don't get it. I call him DSG BECAUSE OF WHAT HE HAS DONE. Passing on a QB last year. Mocking the reporter who asked about analytics. Trading OBJ. Drafting Daniel Jones over Haskins. He's Dave Shitbag Gettleman and, frankly, that moniker might be rather nice.
I saw a tweet tonight that crossed out GM as his title and replaced it with "Destroyer of the New York Football Giants".
And you make it sound as if I am alone. The Daniel Jones pick was absolutely horrific and is being almost universally panned. What a jackass this guy is.
a guy who consistently calls the GM "DSG" has a slanted take on him??
Go fucking figure.
See, you don't get it. I call him DSG BECAUSE OF WHAT HE HAS DONE. Passing on a QB last year. Mocking the reporter who asked about analytics. Trading OBJ. Drafting Daniel Jones over Haskins. He's Dave Shitbag Gettleman and, frankly, that moniker might be rather nice.
I saw a tweet tonight that crossed out GM as his title and replaced it with "Destroyer of the New York Football Giants".
And you make it sound as if I am alone. The Daniel Jones pick was absolutely horrific and is being almost universally panned. What a jackass this guy is.
Look I have been super harsh about Gettleman for all the reasons you mention. But if he looooved Jones and truly felt he was a franchise guy... then he did the right thing. Though I admit the video I posted in another thread from MetLife Stadium tonight is extremely funny and this has a chance to be the all-time worst Giants draft pick,
I watched the senior bowl practices and the senior bowl, and I thought he sucked. He just does not appear to the naked eye to have any special natural talent. He looks like a mediocre QB through-and-through. Probably why he ended up at freaking Duke.
He was 5’11 his sophmore year of HS, ended up being 6’5. First priorirty was basketball, fell in love with football. Broke his wrist pretty badly springtime of his junior year, missed all of the showcases. Ivy schools loved him. He told his dad his junior year “i want to play for Coach Cutcliffe. Duke is on the way up”. HS coach made one last call, Cutcliffe wanted him but “had no scholarships”. Greyshirted, after 2 weeks they had a scholarship for him.
This is why posts like yours sound so idiotic. And thats coming from someone who hasn’t wanted Jones at 6. That kid seeked out that program and Cutcliffe. Could have taken a scholarship to Princeton, but he bet himself. How on earth can you hate on that story?
Some of you sound like morons when you say these kids have noodle arms and they suck. Again, i didn’t want Jones at 6. The leaps some are taking here is ridiculous though.
I watched it live. I remember the almost interception and the Isabella TD, which impressed me for Isabella's burst.
On second look, Jones seems to move his feet well. The fake handoff and roll to right come off as somewhat mechanical upon repetition.
He also seems decisive, perhaps overly so on the almost INT, as though he had his mind made up where he was going.
three series - ( New Window )
He seems decisive because he is: he ran an absurd amount of one read concepts.
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Jones was primarily asked to execute 0/1-step drops, RPOs, screens, and rollouts, concepts that generally indicate simpler, or even singular, reads. He did so on a whopping 72.6% of his dropbacks, the eighth-highest rate among 164 quarterbacks who dropped back 100+ times in 2018. To give you an idea of how that might translate to the NFL, Nick Foles had the highest rate of 43 NFL quarterbacks at 58.3%. Only two other quarterbacks did so at a rate above 50%, and the average rate among quarterbacks who dropped back at least 100 times was 33.8%.
in Shurmurs offense that could be a boon, but it does put some of the pro-ready comments into perspective. One article had a quote he threw to non-primary reads on only 6% of his throws but, while you can see a ton of single read snap and throw stuff in the cutups that number doesn't ring true.
I watched the senior bowl practices and the senior bowl, and I thought he sucked. He just does not appear to the naked eye to have any special natural talent. He looks like a mediocre QB through-and-through. Probably why he ended up at freaking Duke.
we got our sound bite that certain posters are going to foist up time and again to mean something.
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
There are guys here that have created a narrative and will spin anything Gettleman does or says to fit the narrative.
That said, as a fan who has wanted a quarterback since last season, Jones at 6 seems like a reach, but that s only based on the criticism coming from the media last night and today. Personally I have little idea as to if he was worth that pick.
So he didn’t truly love any of the better prospects last year Â
Can’t wait til you’re gone, Dave. You continue to turn this franchise into a fucking punchline.
And before someone tries to grill me regarding my POV, it has nothing to do with what DG said in the original quote about the 3 series bullshit. I just happen to legitimately hate Dave Gettleman.
we got our sound bite that certain posters are going to foist up time and again to mean something.
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
It's not the soundbite as much as it is his out & out arrogance that he's smarter than everyone in football. His quote a few days ago about "going to 7 Super Bowls" so he knows what he doing,reeks of arrogance.First,none of those were as a winning GM-his rings are based on others' decisions & his one as the GM,he lost.He constantly contradicts what he says & then puts down the reporter that calls him out on it! Please don't bullshit the fanbase that Jones & Allen had the exact same grade(And I'm a pro-Jones guy). This draft is his Waterloo along w/John Mara. Mara wanted comfy & brought Gettleman back rather than bringing in someone outside the box. More & more I feel John is turning into the 1970's Wellington & those of us who experienced that,know it's not a good thing!I hope we all can look back & say we were wrong & Gettleman was indeed a football genius. Not just feeling that right now!
Rich Gannon and Ronde Barber were often asked about their thoughts on prospective players and their chances during OTAs and minicamps. They both could tell within minutes, who could play at the next level and who would find the next level was too big for them. It’s more than just physical stuff that professionals can assess future players on. Barber would often say, he could tell immediately just by a look on a player, whether he has the mental capacity to do well in the pros.
I trust there are plenty of present and former players who can tell this. Call it BS or folly or whatever you care to, but pros know most of the time who has it and who doesn’t. They have been at this virtually their whole life.
If DG said he “knew” I now know what he and others are really talking about.
One thing's for sure. This pick will be a good test of how well Â
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
3 series. At a senior bowl. Versus the 3 years of mediocre 2nd round at best tape.
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
Let me guess. You were one of those guys who laughed at bob McGinns anonymous scout quote on Eli Apple that said he had zero life skills.
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
To be fair, you normally eviscerate those who say stupid shit.
I can't imagine FMiC would tolerate Gettleman if he posted on BBI.
HYPOTHETICAL:
Let’s say.
We go 7-9 this year.
#10 pick in 2020. He never liked DJ
How do you think he feels in 2020?
They did. But none of it mattered bc Mr. Gettleman runs the draft as a fascist.
HYPOTHETICAL:
Let’s say.
We go 7-9 this year.
#10 pick in 2020. He never liked DJ
How do you think he feels in 2020?
If we're doing this many hypotheticals, I wonder what happens if Jones is good and you have to become a Jets fan because looking at him reminds you of how wrong you were every day.
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Truly wonder what shurmur thinks?
HYPOTHETICAL:
Let’s say.
We go 7-9 this year.
#10 pick in 2020. He never liked DJ
How do you think he feels in 2020?
If we're doing this many hypotheticals, I wonder what happens if Jones is good and you have to become a Jets fan because looking at him reminds you of how wrong you were every day.
The odds are against this. There’s 3 years of mediocre tape.
Floor: Blake bortles
Ceiling: Alex Smith when he had all star coaching.
Plus, let's note that (if this account is correct) he said "professional quarterback" not "Hall of Famer" or "a guy who is going to win five Super Bowls." Geno Smith and Mark Sanchez are professional quarterbacks, too.
I've also had the experience of seeing an audition and knowing instantly that this is a major talent. And he was. Cast him on the spot. He had to drop out of my show because he booked a national tour. Next time I saw him was onstage on Broadway. He's still working in TV and movies.
“After three series...knew he was a professional quarterback... I was in full bloom!
That is a beauty...
Plus, let's note that (if this account is correct) he said "professional quarterback" not "Hall of Famer" or "a guy who is going to win five Super Bowls." Geno Smith and Mark Sanchez are professional quarterbacks, too.
I've also had the experience of seeing an audition and knowing instantly that this is a major talent. And he was. Cast him on the spot. He had to drop out of my show because he booked a national tour. Next time I saw him was onstage on Broadway. He's still working in TV and movies.
Mr Gettleman does not listen to his scouts.
Go back and listen to his story on drafting Barkley.
He says unequivocally that when mayfield went #1 he made up his mind on Barkley and didn’t want any discussion or to waste time.
Dg runs the draft board like a fascist. It’s all him.
Quote:
we got our sound bite that certain posters are going to foist up time and again to mean something.
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
To be fair, you normally eviscerate those who say stupid shit.
I can't imagine FMiC would tolerate Gettleman if he posted on BBI.
Name a time I've ripped people for quotes they give? This place goes apeshit over everything said, and one of the ringleadersof doing that spent most of the 90's slobbering all over Parcells snippets.
They are sound bites. They become memes like "Playoffs?" or "We play to win the game" or "Crown their asses".
They don't become platforms for serious discussion or microanalyzing how deeply they've scouted a player.
I won't even address the obvious difference between a person answering reporters questions and morons on a message board.
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In comment 14408705 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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we got our sound bite that certain posters are going to foist up time and again to mean something.
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
To be fair, you normally eviscerate those who say stupid shit.
I can't imagine FMiC would tolerate Gettleman if he posted on BBI.
Name a time I've ripped people for quotes they give? This place goes apeshit over everything said, and one of the ringleadersof doing that spent most of the 90's slobbering all over Parcells snippets.
They are sound bites. They become memes like "Playoffs?" or "We play to win the game" or "Crown their asses".
They don't become platforms for serious discussion or microanalyzing how deeply they've scouted a player.
I won't even address the obvious difference between a person answering reporters questions and morons on a message board.
The guys on the message board know more about the prospects than any f the reporters asking questions.
They are just spoonfed agent speak and rumors. The message board actually knows if the players have good tape or not.
That’s because he sucked during practice but played well for three series in the actual game.
If you search the senior bowl reports you will see this.
Don't give yourself credit above being one of the most idiotic motherfuckers to pollute the board tonight.
I can't claim to have watched all the Senior Bowl practices, but those are generally thought to be far more important than the game, and the word from the practices was that Jones disappointed.
Unreal the lack of intelligent criticisms tonight. You guys are better than this. Get some rest please and try again tomorrow. This has been like shooting fish in a barrel.
Don't give yourself credit above being one of the most idiotic motherfuckers to pollute the board tonight.
It’s mr. Gettleman.
Me, too. He and Grier looked dreadful in the drills.
So I have no clue what Gettleman saw. Or which three series...
And no one cares about the game. The scouts leave town Friday night before the Saturday game.
DSG evidently thought those three series were better than the show Haskins put on in multiple games, including the Big 10 Title game, where Haskins shredded Northwestern. DSG wouldn't know how Jones played in real games other than watching tape on the guy. That is criminal.
These are not just soundbytes. They are real quotes, and they are horrific. He also said that it is possible Jones will be a franchise QB in time but he could sit for three years.
Honestly, I am questioning whether the guy is of sound mind at this point. I don't know whether he has any idea what he is saying any more.
Go fucking figure.
Higher floor /lower ceiling edge
Running back
Box safety
where can i watch it now?
Go fucking figure.
See, you don't get it. I call him DSG BECAUSE OF WHAT HE HAS DONE. Passing on a QB last year. Mocking the reporter who asked about analytics. Trading OBJ. Drafting Daniel Jones over Haskins. He's Dave Shitbag Gettleman and, frankly, that moniker might be rather nice.
I saw a tweet tonight that crossed out GM as his title and replaced it with "Destroyer of the New York Football Giants".
And you make it sound as if I am alone. The Daniel Jones pick was absolutely horrific and is being almost universally panned. What a jackass this guy is.
Think about that for a second.
And then you'll just continue to think you are right.
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a guy who consistently calls the GM "DSG" has a slanted take on him??
Go fucking figure.
See, you don't get it. I call him DSG BECAUSE OF WHAT HE HAS DONE. Passing on a QB last year. Mocking the reporter who asked about analytics. Trading OBJ. Drafting Daniel Jones over Haskins. He's Dave Shitbag Gettleman and, frankly, that moniker might be rather nice.
I saw a tweet tonight that crossed out GM as his title and replaced it with "Destroyer of the New York Football Giants".
And you make it sound as if I am alone. The Daniel Jones pick was absolutely horrific and is being almost universally panned. What a jackass this guy is.
Look I have been super harsh about Gettleman for all the reasons you mention. But if he looooved Jones and truly felt he was a franchise guy... then he did the right thing. Though I admit the video I posted in another thread from MetLife Stadium tonight is extremely funny and this has a chance to be the all-time worst Giants draft pick,
And to the point he took him at #6.
That’s just unbelievable.
And to the point he took him at #6.
That’s just unbelievable.
If he's Andy Dalton then DG probably gets canned.
He was 5’11 his sophmore year of HS, ended up being 6’5. First priorirty was basketball, fell in love with football. Broke his wrist pretty badly springtime of his junior year, missed all of the showcases. Ivy schools loved him. He told his dad his junior year “i want to play for Coach Cutcliffe. Duke is on the way up”. HS coach made one last call, Cutcliffe wanted him but “had no scholarships”. Greyshirted, after 2 weeks they had a scholarship for him.
This is why posts like yours sound so idiotic. And thats coming from someone who hasn’t wanted Jones at 6. That kid seeked out that program and Cutcliffe. Could have taken a scholarship to Princeton, but he bet himself. How on earth can you hate on that story?
Some of you sound like morons when you say these kids have noodle arms and they suck. Again, i didn’t want Jones at 6. The leaps some are taking here is ridiculous though.
The kind of reply that proves you know nothing. Comparing udfa vs 1st end pick...
I watched it live. I remember the almost interception and the Isabella TD, which impressed me for Isabella's burst.
On second look, Jones seems to move his feet well. The fake handoff and roll to right come off as somewhat mechanical upon repetition.
He also seems decisive, perhaps overly so on the almost INT, as though he had his mind made up where he was going.
three series - ( New Window )
I watched it live. I remember the almost interception and the Isabella TD, which impressed me for Isabella's burst.
On second look, Jones seems to move his feet well. The fake handoff and roll to right come off as somewhat mechanical upon repetition.
He also seems decisive, perhaps overly so on the almost INT, as though he had his mind made up where he was going.
three series - ( New Window )
He seems decisive because he is: he ran an absurd amount of one read concepts.
in Shurmurs offense that could be a boon, but it does put some of the pro-ready comments into perspective. One article had a quote he threw to non-primary reads on only 6% of his throws but, while you can see a ton of single read snap and throw stuff in the cutups that number doesn't ring true.
It gets better for you: He was abwalk-on at Duke
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
There are guys here that have created a narrative and will spin anything Gettleman does or says to fit the narrative.
That said, as a fan who has wanted a quarterback since last season, Jones at 6 seems like a reach, but that s only based on the criticism coming from the media last night and today. Personally I have little idea as to if he was worth that pick.
Can’t wait til you’re gone, Dave. You continue to turn this franchise into a fucking punchline.
Can’t wait til you’re gone, Dave. You continue to turn this franchise into a fucking punchline.
And before someone tries to grill me regarding my POV, it has nothing to do with what DG said in the original quote about the 3 series bullshit. I just happen to legitimately hate Dave Gettleman.
It won't quite mean what they think it will - but we will be bombarded with it nonetheless.
Can we get a count on the times "hand of God" or mocking analytics was authoritatively posted last year?
It's not the soundbite as much as it is his out & out arrogance that he's smarter than everyone in football. His quote a few days ago about "going to 7 Super Bowls" so he knows what he doing,reeks of arrogance.First,none of those were as a winning GM-his rings are based on others' decisions & his one as the GM,he lost.He constantly contradicts what he says & then puts down the reporter that calls him out on it! Please don't bullshit the fanbase that Jones & Allen had the exact same grade(And I'm a pro-Jones guy). This draft is his Waterloo along w/John Mara. Mara wanted comfy & brought Gettleman back rather than bringing in someone outside the box. More & more I feel John is turning into the 1970's Wellington & those of us who experienced that,know it's not a good thing!I hope we all can look back & say we were wrong & Gettleman was indeed a football genius. Not just feeling that right now!
I trust there are plenty of present and former players who can tell this. Call it BS or folly or whatever you care to, but pros know most of the time who has it and who doesn’t. They have been at this virtually their whole life.
If DG said he “knew” I now know what he and others are really talking about.