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jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:01 am
But her e goes my thoughts.

1. Stunned they went qb at 6. Was told no way. I did Tell you they loved Jones. I was told Jones or lock at 17 and last week they thought they may not be available then. I took that to mean trading up from 17. For what it's worth, I actually heard from 3 people Rosen was never a consideration. Also, won't go into specifics, there's more to the team not wanting Haskins then just talent. To me, and I like Jones, passing on allen is criminal. I was wrong though and inown it.

2. Lawrence can play. I disagree w Eric on Tomlinson. If he stays he'll go back To end but they feel he's best at nose. I think he could definitely be traded. I was told tonight most were stunned but they plan to try to add more picks still.

3. Demanded Baker I love. I do. That said he has red flags also. The Giants avoid red flags like the plague but don't here. Baffling. Again. I love Baker though. Well see.

Fire away

so we are  
Mr. Nickels : 4/26/2019 1:04 am : link
trading Tomlinson now?
Any word on plans to  
Reb8thVA : 4/26/2019 1:05 am : link
Address RT?

And JT thanks as always. I appreciate the explanation but would never fault you for being wrong. Shit happens and you are correct more times than not.
Gettleman  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:05 am : link
said tonight that Lawrence can play anywhere on line, but it seems to me he makes most sense at NT. Maybe they aren't thinking that.

Regardless, they need three DLs. If they trade Tomlinson, they are back to two.
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BleedBlue : 4/26/2019 1:05 am : link
I thought another trade was coming?

I usually.love insiders but man you were WAY off with just about everything lol.

A win now pick isn't Jones, Allen, Oliver or even dev bush would have made a bigger impact this year.

Oh well. Still appreciate the info even tho it's mostly hogwash lol
RE: Any word on plans to  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:06 am : link
In comment 14408809 Reb8thVA said:
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Address RT?

And JT thanks as always. I appreciate the explanation but would never fault you for being wrong. Shit happens and you are correct more times than not.


Onetimeasshat told gidie that Remmers is coming here... that it is a done deal... take that for what it is worth.
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BleedBlue : 4/26/2019 1:06 am : link
Yea not to sure I see them trading Tomlinson

Any idea how they plan to get some picks morrow night? I remember you said they wanted more picks in 2 and 3, they went the other way. Jenkins traded? Engram?
Was Rosen not in consideration...  
Danny80 : 4/26/2019 1:07 am : link
because the Giants didn't like his talent, his personality, or because it didn't fit into their plans with Eli?

I watched nearly every Duke game for the last three years, and Jones was a great QB for Duke, but I don't think I ever saw a top 10 pick. For most of the year, I saw a second or third round pick.

Also still confused/disappointed that Josh Allen was sitting right there and they let him go. It's almost like Gettleman conspired with Tom Coughlin to make Jacksonville's defense even better...
Mr Nickels  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:07 am : link
Didn't say that but it could very well happen. Snacks was a clubhouse lawyer and part of culture issues but gettleman even said they viewed Tomlinson best spot at nose. Now he's back to end. Also if they want to trade up they need to move a player or future picks. Well see. Not definite but more than possible
Simple question  
huygens20 : 4/26/2019 1:08 am : link
Was shurmur 100% behind Daniel Jones at 6.
Rico called you a bitch and took your lunch money  
j_rud : 4/26/2019 1:08 am : link
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I see Tomlinson  
Mr. Nickels : 4/26/2019 1:08 am : link
kicking out to DE. Look at the depth chart.

Hill Lawrence Tomlinson is our front 3 line in the 3-4.
RE: RE: Any word on plans to  
Klaatu : 4/26/2019 1:08 am : link
In comment 14408816 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14408809 Reb8thVA said:


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Address RT?

And JT thanks as always. I appreciate the explanation but would never fault you for being wrong. Shit happens and you are correct more times than not.



Onetimeasshat told gidie that Remmers is coming here... that it is a done deal... take that for what it is worth.


I thought he was outed as a dupe?
Eric  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:10 am : link
I agree w you. They do think olsen Pierre can help but your point is well taken
The narrative sold to you that  
Hsilwek92 : 4/26/2019 1:10 am : link
the Giants wanted to win now was completely blown out of the water when they took Jones at 6. Not your fault at all. Still frustrating.
Tomlinson can play 5  
AcesUp : 4/26/2019 1:10 am : link
This defense isn't as restrictive as most think. I'd be concerned about the pass rush ability of our front but stop worrying about the starting lineup and where they fit.
Klaatu  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:11 am : link
I have no idea at this point. Someone else e-mailed me about him but they could have been fucking with me.

Any news or update  
YANKEE28 : 4/26/2019 1:11 am : link
on RT Mike Remmers and the Giants?
Huy  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:11 am : link
I honestly don't know
Hsil  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:13 am : link
If they didn't want to win now why bring eli back? I like Jones. I do. There's no way he's as good as josh Allen though.
This whole Franchise is confusing as hell..  
prdave73 : 4/26/2019 1:14 am : link
The way things are trending, it doesn't look good. This whole mess doesn't look like a win now team, more like complete rebuild imo..
Danny  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:15 am : link
I'd say personality and talent. I'll leave it there.
curious about Haskins  
madgiantscow009 : 4/26/2019 1:16 am : link
Yankee  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:16 am : link
Was told tonight remmers is happening but who knows. People were shocked by Jones pick even though him and lock were top and on board
welcome back jt..  
FranchiseQB : 4/26/2019 1:17 am : link
your posts make this place more interesting.
'A win now pick isn't Jones'...  
Torrag : 4/26/2019 1:18 am : link
This isn't a win now team. Did you really believe it was? The real contender window opens in 2020....
jt - it always made sense that they would nab a QB at 6 and they see  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/26/2019 1:20 am : link
who shook out among the upper echelon front 7 players at 17. And there were a few really good front 7 players left at 17, and there might even be another one at 95.

Do you have any idea whom the like best among the remaining edge players? Z. Allen, Polite, Banogu, Ximines, Nelson, etc?

They could also really really believe Golden is gonna come roaring back and be set with Golden and Carter on the edges, I suppose. So long as they plan to show Golden the money if he does come roaring back...

I like Lawrence and haven't studied the CBs so no comment on Baker. Can hardly believe Lock is still available... what an arm that kid has.

Was Haskin's father a freak-out for the Giants' scouts?
What happened to building from Inside Out  
kdog77 : 4/26/2019 1:23 am : link
I am not upset about Lawrence or Baker on the merits, but we passed over every stud on OL and ER to take Jones. That will be Gettleman's legacy with the Giants. Hope Jones is worth it.
It is what it is  
Giants38 : 4/26/2019 1:28 am : link
I don't care that you got stuff wrong. Your sources clearly didn't know what they think they did. But the predictions right now:

1) Allen if he is there - poop
2) No QB at 6 - poop
3) Trade back from 17 - poop
4) Trade 17 for a player - poop
5) Accumulate picks between 37 and 95 - poop - now we don't pick until 95, and I honestly have no point how they plan on getting any more picks.

I don't blame you. Really. Your sources don't have it. I did not like how you spoke in absolutes. I didn't get my guy in Haskins, but maybe going forward you should say this could happen rather than this WILL happen.
RE: Hsil  
Hsilwek92 : 4/26/2019 1:28 am : link
In comment 14408840 jtgiants said:
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If they didn't want to win now why bring eli back? I like Jones. I do. There's no way he's as good as josh Allen though.


Let’s be honest, Eli was coming back no matter what. If they truly wanted to win now, they wouldn’t have taken a QB at 6. Especially when there was better talent that could have improved this team on either side of the ball.
Bluelou  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:29 am : link
I have no access to the team's board so can't actually answer. I'm interested to see what happens tommorow. Not sure how they do it but they would love to add some picks
Idk how other feel but it’s time to move on...  
Giantsfanincuse : 4/26/2019 1:29 am : link
A lot of people have vouched for dj which is great but the draft isn’t one night.....jt, what can we hope for tomorrow night? We’ve taken two defenders, maybe can we hope for jj aceda-Whiteside tonight?
Ps jt-  
Giantsfanincuse : 4/26/2019 1:31 am : link
Please keep giving us info!!! your window into the war room is appreciated
Giants38  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:31 am : link
Your not being fair. My source was right on no Haskins and definitely no Rosen. Also was right on markus Golden. I mean try to be fair at least
Giantsfan  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:34 am : link
Not sure how but they would like more picks. I'd say oline and edge rusher would be areas to focus on
RE: Giants38  
Giants38 : 4/26/2019 1:43 am : link
In comment 14408906 jtgiants said:
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Your not being fair. My source was right on no Haskins and definitely no Rosen. Also was right on markus Golden. I mean try to be fair at least


Dude, you said no QB at 6. Not just no Haskins. Right before the draft you said no QB was in consideration at 6. It's blatant.

I'm sure they'd like more picks. There are lots of things I'd like. But unless they can just get teams to give them picks for nothing, they are not getting them.
RE: Giantsfan  
Giants38 : 4/26/2019 1:44 am : link
In comment 14408911 jtgiants said:
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Not sure how but they would like more picks. I'd say oline and edge rusher would be areas to focus on


And I have no sources, but I'd bet that the next positions to be addressed will be OL, EDGE, and WR. But that is based off straight logic.
Cool thanks for posting  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/26/2019 1:52 am : link
Always good to know the Giants front office is still a hot mess.
I find my impression of this draft just plain weird  
Matt M. : 4/26/2019 1:52 am : link
I like the NY and CB, and I don't hate Jones (just where they took him...and I also don't love him). But, even liking all 3 players, I don't like the combination. With premier pass rushers on the board, getting none, and no OL males me nervous about this team.

I fail to see how this team will be significantly different than last year. WE have a moderately improved OL with no #1 WR and an aging QB. So, we will once again rely heavily on Barkley to do amazing things on his own. We obviously will look to stuff the run on D, but have no meaningful pass rush to speak of and a mediocre secondary, even with Baker on board. I just don't see the ability to win more than a handful of games when they had a shot at impact players.
RE: RE: Giants38  
Jim Bur(n)t : 4/26/2019 1:56 am : link
In comment 14408922 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14408906 jtgiants said:


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Your not being fair. My source was right on no Haskins and definitely no Rosen. Also was right on markus Golden. I mean try to be fair at least



Dude, you said no QB at 6. Not just no Haskins. Right before the draft you said no QB was in consideration at 6. It's blatant.

I'm sure they'd like more picks. There are lots of things I'd like. But unless they can just get teams to give them picks for nothing, they are not getting them.


Agree - Sorry JT.. it was a good run, but u knew no more than my neighbor who is a postman... BBI Snake oil.
The more I think about the upcoming season  
Matt M. : 4/26/2019 2:00 am : link
I come away with a lot riding on the development of Engram. If he becomes the player we thought we drafted, they could still be a decent offense. IF not, it is going to be a season of amazing Barkley highlights, but only a handful of wins. They don't have anyone else on offense who scares teams, and that now includes Eli.
RE: 'A win now pick isn't Jones'...  
bigbluescot : 4/26/2019 2:45 am : link
In comment 14408856 Torrag said:
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This isn't a win now team. Did you really believe it was? The real contender window opens in 2020....


I'd be amazed if we were a contender with Jones in his first real year. He's not Mahomes: fuck he's a million miles from being Mahomes. Frankly I'd be amazed if we were ever an contender with Jones, it'd literally make Jones a statistical oddity because his offensive efficiency is dire (literally the lowest in this class) and no college QB in the last 10 years has improved that number in the NFL in his first 4 years, and a number of them had really shitty teams in college as well.

I mean we've literally signed a guy with the 3rd worst pass rating of all QB's with a shot of being drafted in this class. At 6. At fucking 6. I don't care what excuses are made for his teams lack of talent, that's fucking madness.
RE: Giants38  
Milton : 4/26/2019 4:17 am : link
In comment 14408906 jtgiants said:
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Your not being fair. My source was right on no Haskins and definitely no Rosen.
But Gettleman admitted in the press conference that he called Arizona and said if things broke a certain way that would be interested in Rosen. All we really know is that they loved Jones and preferred him to both Haskins and Rosen. If Denver or Jacksonville had jumped the Giants for Jones, who knows who would've been their next choice for QB (because clearly they were adding a QB).
The only way more picks is with players or 2020  
George from PA : 4/26/2019 4:39 am : link
I hope to god, Jones and Lock were not same grade....as Lock is still not picked.

Obviously, no Rosen or Haskins....they picked Jones way too quickly for that
Jt  
joeinpa : 4/26/2019 5:20 am : link
Your posts were fun. But in the future, if you continue to share, you should be more tolerant of posters with differing views of what moves the Giants might make.

You certainly shouldn’t demean them with comments like, “How many times do I have to tell you that s not happening “

As it turns out your predictions are guesses too.
Baker’s supposedly another prima donna  
jeff57 : 4/26/2019 6:29 am : link
So much for character concerns, Gettleman’s such a phony
RE: Danny  
The_Boss : 4/26/2019 6:44 am : link
In comment 14408844 jtgiants said:
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I'd say personality and talent. I'll leave it there.


If they seriously think Jones is more talented than Rosen, this regime probably won’t be around very long, which is a good thing. I’ll admit it: I hate everything about Gettleman.
I find it facinating that no one wanted to address the QB siutation  
ZogZerg : 4/26/2019 6:51 am : link
This year and go all defense in the draft.
Not sure if you noticed  
Oscar : 4/26/2019 6:54 am : link
But nobody wants Rosen, including the team that traded up to draft him and had him in their building for a year.
Thanks for coming back  
John in No Cal : 4/26/2019 6:58 am : link
Owning it and explaining it!! Appreciate the sharing.
jt  
Bill2 : 4/26/2019 7:02 am : link
Your information going into draft pick 5 was dead on accurate

RE: Not sure if you noticed  
The_Boss : 4/26/2019 7:11 am : link
In comment 14409082 Oscar said:
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But nobody wants Rosen, including the team that traded up to draft him and had him in their building for a year.


I was talking about pure talent. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone who believes there is anything physically or mentally Jones does better than Rosen with regards to being a QB. So obviously it’s his personality that scared off the NYG. That’s fine. I’m ok with that. They reached for Jones badly instead, which is their prerogative. To me, the pick probably just starts the countdown clock on the remainder of this regime’s employment.
RE: RE: Not sure if you noticed  
Milton : 4/26/2019 7:15 am : link
In comment 14409118 The_Boss said:
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You’d be hard pressed to find anyone who believes there is anything physically or mentally Jones does better than Rosen with regards to being a QB. So obviously it’s his personality that scared off the NYG.
Well they couldn't've been too scared because Rosen was a fallback option if Jones wasn't available.
If Washington or Denver had jumped ahead of the Giants  
Milton : 4/26/2019 7:17 am : link
...and selected Jones, who knows, we could be talking about a day one in which the Giants came away with Allen, Lawrence, and Rosen. Only time will tell how it all plays out.....
always take every asshat  
fkap : 4/26/2019 7:31 am : link
with a grain of salt. they may be right, but things changed. They may have good sources, but the sources were wrong. One of our celebrity asshats was flat out wrong this year - it happens (it's a good reason why asshats shouldn't crow about the times they were right). They could be flat out faking it.

Enjoy the info for what it is - something to enjoy for the moment. If you don't like the info, or the poster, just ignore him/her. Frauds post because they like the attention.

Speaking of grain of salt, was onetime ever outed by someone more substantial than a Simo?
fkap -  
Diver_Down : 4/26/2019 7:53 am : link
OneTime's only bit of concrete info was Remmers. The rest was reading tea leaves that informed knowledgeable fans could have formulated. I'm a skeptic of OneTime and predicted that it was likely a Simo before it was revealed as a Simo. But then there were follow-up emails saying they weren't. The clock is ticking on OneTime's credibility and that is the Remmer's deal.
things change  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/26/2019 7:56 am : link
jt was more right than wrong on the big picture. No on Rosen & Haskins, yes on Jones. So the Giants decided they didn't want to lose Jones. That changes things.

Thanks JT for all of your insights and even your continued, ignored warnings that things can change.
Thanks for everything JT  
dep026 : 4/26/2019 7:56 am : link
Leave it to giants38 to be an absolute dick to you. Guy should have been banned months ago.

If they keep Tomlinson  
mittenedman : 4/26/2019 7:59 am : link
it probably goes back to the Snacks configuration:

Snacks - NT
Tomlinson - 3
B.J. Hill - 5

The problem with that is that - as DG pointed out the 1st time - that means both DT and Hill playing out of position. But it's best 3 on the field.
Thanks for everything jt....  
rnargi : 4/26/2019 8:00 am : link
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jtgiants  
mittenedman : 4/26/2019 8:01 am : link
Good call on DeAndre Baker though - I remember you bringing him up as a potential target at 17 or a trade down. Nailed that one.
RE: If they keep Tomlinson  
jeff57 : 4/26/2019 8:04 am : link
In comment 14409240 mittenedman said:
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it probably goes back to the Snacks configuration:

Snacks - NT
Tomlinson - 3
B.J. Hill - 5

The problem with that is that - as DG pointed out the 1st time - that means both DT and Hill playing out of position. But it's best 3 on the field.


The combo did pretty well when Snacks was here. They better hope Golden recovers the magic of a couple of years ago and that Carter starts producing, or else their pass rush could be even worse than last season.
I  
Steve in Greenwich : 4/26/2019 8:17 am : link
admit I have been on the Rosen train since last year and dont want to come off as being dickish about questioning your info; but you keep reiterating Giants had no interest in the guy due to personality problem yet last night from the horses mouth so to say Gettleman flat out admitted he called the Cardinal's pre-draft and told them he was interested if the cards fell in a certain way.
RE: If they keep Tomlinson  
Milton : 4/26/2019 8:26 am : link
In comment 14409240 mittenedman said:
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it probably goes back to the Snacks configuration:

Snacks - NT
Tomlinson - 3
B.J. Hill - 5
I think they leave Hill at 3
jt no worries.  
Watson : 4/26/2019 8:27 am : link
Things change. Would appear FO panicked.
As I have suspected, though....  
mittenedman : 4/26/2019 8:28 am : link
....I don't think Tomlinson will be re-signed. He's been JAG.
BBI is amazing sometimes  
PetesHereNow : 4/26/2019 8:29 am : link
Jt risks his career/friendship to give us information.

He is right on multiple things in free agency.

His source indicated he didn’t think we’d take a QB at 6 but that they love Jones/Lock.

They take Jones at 6. Guy comes here and posts his reaction like a man and you people post things like BBI snake oil and you should be nicer?

Lol.
RE: Danny  
Danny80 : 4/26/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14408844 jtgiants said:
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I'd say personality and talent. I'll leave it there.


Thanks.
RE: Jt  
Tesla : 4/26/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14409007 joeinpa said:
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Your posts were fun. But in the future, if you continue to share, you should be more tolerant of posters with differing views of what moves the Giants might make.

You certainly shouldn’t demean them with comments like, “How many times do I have to tell you that s not happening “

As it turns out your predictions are guesses too.


This. Thanks for sharing the info. you had, but maybe learn some humility from this and try not to be so condescending to other posters going forward.

And admit you were dead wrong on Rosen, too - DG admitted they were interested under the right circumstances.
JT and Other Asshats  
varco : 4/26/2019 10:29 am : link
Been reading the comments here by some....BBI is a fun experience and speculation is a big part of it. If there are bits and pieces of inside info or insight, that adds to the fun. To those who are grousing today and insulting the Asshats....please, don't run them off as BBI'ers did with SOTI, etc. This is not gospel, it's entertainment. Things do change and the fact that events don't come to pass as expected is understandable --these situations are fluid. It's not the end of the world. If not for Asshats and professional scouts and evaluators like DaveTe and Sy56, this website would lose a great part of its value. It would become like most call-in radio shows, replete with nonsense trades and ill informed comments. This is a top tier website--and it's for this reason that some people with some legitimate inside connections even bother to post. We should be grateful they bother to do so. JT and other legitimate Asshats.....thanks--you are appreciated.
RE: Hsil  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14408840 jtgiants said:
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If they didn't want to win now why bring eli back? I like Jones. I do. There's no way he's as good as josh Allen though.

Mentorship and legacy.

They've said all along that they see the optimal transition/succession plan including a year of apprenticeship for the rookie behind Eli. It appears (and justifiably so) that they value having Eli set the right example for the next QB, which has nothing to do with whether or not 2019 is viewed as a year in which they can realistically contend.

Beyond that, the Giants seem to be leaving it in Eli's court to retire; they'd prefer to not have to part ways with an all-time franchise icon in a way that is anything less than graceful, especially after the hysteria that ensued after the benching fiasco in 2017.

Separately, why is the only insight you're into Tomlinson's role vis-á-vis Lawrence the same quote all of us heard ourselves from Gettleman last season after the Harrison trade?

It's starting to feel like a lot of the intel that you shared was only partially inside info and partly just reading the tea leaves and filling in the gaps for yourself just like the rest of us all along, framed by what you wanted the Giants to do. There's no way that the Jones pick was just an overnight development yesterday.
RE: JT and Other Asshats  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14410244 varco said:
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Been reading the comments here by some....BBI is a fun experience and speculation is a big part of it. If there are bits and pieces of inside info or insight, that adds to the fun. To those who are grousing today and insulting the Asshats....please, don't run them off as BBI'ers did with SOTI, etc. This is not gospel, it's entertainment. Things do change and the fact that events don't come to pass as expected is understandable --these situations are fluid. It's not the end of the world. If not for Asshats and professional scouts and evaluators like DaveTe and Sy56, this website would lose a great part of its value. It would become like most call-in radio shows, replete with nonsense trades and ill informed comments. This is a top tier website--and it's for this reason that some people with some legitimate inside connections even bother to post. We should be grateful they bother to do so. JT and other legitimate Asshats.....thanks--you are appreciated.

Oh, stop. It's not THAT fluid. They didn't just decide yesterday to take Jones at #6. If Gettleman is saying they had the same grade on him as they did on Allen, then anyone saying that Allen would definitely have been the pick over a QB was either given bad info or was piecing things together themselves from assorted nuggets and clues and passing things off with a much more definitive tone than the info deserved.

Anyone who has to puff out their chest and point to their track record repeatedly is clearly very interested in being seen as an asshat, which (IMO) is exactly what an asshat wouldn't do.
What bugs me about this asshat fixation  
Jerry K : 4/26/2019 11:17 am : link
is not so much that they get things wrong, it's that people keep asking them questions like they really know what's going to happen when they've already been wrong so much.
Its hard to judge the accuracy of an asshat....  
Reb8thVA : 4/26/2019 11:30 am : link
because a good asshat doesn't reveal their access or sources and methods.

JT's source was probably giving him very accurate information based on their access. JTs source could be a scout or other person in the organization that is privy to information only up to a certain level. Unless a source, is directly inside and involved at the highest level its difficult to have complete fidelity regarding the information
RE: Its hard to judge the accuracy of an asshat....  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14410637 Reb8thVA said:
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because a good asshat doesn't reveal their access or sources and methods.

JT's source was probably giving him very accurate information based on their access. JTs source could be a scout or other person in the organization that is privy to information only up to a certain level. Unless a source, is directly inside and involved at the highest level its difficult to have complete fidelity regarding the information

Part of the issue is that it's hard to parse which of JT's stuff is inside info and which is his own editorial, and he makes very little effort to differentiate the two. As to the source, clearly the source was either providing misinformation or was not as privy to the highest level of info as JT's confidence would suggest. Scout seems like the right level, though that wouldn't be someone who would have advance info on things like the schedule, which JT was also outspoken (and wrong) about.

Like I said earlier, there's just something a little bit off about acting like it's very important to be viewed as a legitimate asshat, IMO.
jt...  
bw in dc : 4/26/2019 12:14 pm : link
I appreciate your information. Keep it coming.

I don't expect 100% hit rate. Situations chance on a dime, so what may have been correct last week may have changed 20 minutes into the draft...
Thanks jt  
Matt in SGS : 4/26/2019 12:26 pm : link
please keep it coming and we know it's a fluid situation. However, to be honest, you are sort of to blame for my "ooohhh noooo!" tweet last night because I believed you that the Giants weren't going Jones at 6 ;)
JT, your information kept things interesting  
islander1 : 4/26/2019 12:28 pm : link
I'm not too bothered you were inaccurate. I wish you were right about Allen.

A lot of us do.
the bit about Haskins  
bluepepper : 4/26/2019 12:42 pm : link
sounds right to me. The Giants ruled him out so quickly and so thoroughly that it almost had to be non-talent related. Ranaan had someone on his podcast a few weeks back who said a NYG scout told her dismissively that Haskins wasn't their type. That sounds like code to me - there were personality/character things they didn't like. It's mystifying because nothing has come out publicly. I only hope the Giants didn't rule him out for some trivial nonsense but given their obsession with culture I think it wouldn't take much especially for QB who is going to be the face of the franchise.
your info couldve been right  
GothamGiants : 4/26/2019 12:44 pm : link
but there was a lot of jones smoke from other teams, may have forced the giants hand at 6.

i dont think he was dropping to 17 and trading back up may have been too costly at the time. (its cheaper to trade up to 30, not so much to 8-10)
RE: Mr Nickels  
Giantz_comeback : 4/26/2019 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14408820 jtgiants said:
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Didn't say that but it could very well happen. Snacks was a clubhouse lawyer and part of culture issues but gettleman even said they viewed Tomlinson best spot at nose. Now he's back to end. Also if they want to trade up they need to move a player or future picks. Well see. Not definite but more than possible


And surely they would bring in another DG sleeper later in the draft. He knows the trenches.
RE: Thanks jt  
Giantz_comeback : 4/26/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14410963 Matt in SGS said:
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please keep it coming and we know it's a fluid situation. However, to be honest, you are sort of to blame for my "ooohhh noooo!" tweet last night because I believed you that the Giants weren't going Jones at 6 ;)


Exactly. And many of the names you've mentioned were all high on our board. And you made it clear we really liked Jones. Simply put they realized they needed to go for him at 6 because he wouldnt make 17 .
You're so sexy when you apologize  
Canton : 4/26/2019 7:05 pm : link
Loved your insight. That was never the problem with me. Glad you're still here and keep the info coming.
RE: RE: Danny  
Boy Cord : 4/26/2019 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14409063 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14408844 jtgiants said:


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I'd say personality and talent. I'll leave it there.



If they seriously think Jones is more talented than Rosen, this regime probably won’t be around very long, which is a good thing. I’ll admit it: I hate everything about Gettleman.


Right there with you. Last night and this offseason have been a disaster. It’s like I’m a nine year old Mets fan and it’s 1977 all over again. Fucking Gettleman.
Last night  
JonC : 4/26/2019 7:12 pm : link
unless your source was sitting in the war room, the info had a chance to be wrong this year. Shit happens.
Canton  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 7:45 pm : link
And jonc. It happens but I own I was wrong for whatever the reason
Matt  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 8:15 pm : link
Totally my bad😀
Hey jt  
Marty866b : 4/26/2019 8:19 pm : link
You provided enjoyment to the board and it's understandable that all your information is not 100% accurate.
jt thanks and please keep posting  
JCin332 : 4/26/2019 8:22 pm : link
..
I hate  
crooza172 : 4/26/2019 10:20 pm : link
Gettleman with every inch of my soul!
I hate  
crooza172 : 4/26/2019 10:21 pm : link
Gettleman with every inch of my soul!
There's a caveat on any source that it could be wrong  
adamg : 4/26/2019 10:22 pm : link
until it's right. So no apologies needed.
RE: I hate  
Brown Recluse : 4/26/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14413739 crooza172 said:
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Gettleman with every inch of my soul!


Good
RE: Giants38  
Mr. Bungle : 4/26/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14408906 jtgiants said:
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Your not being fair. My source was right on no Haskins and definitely no Rosen. Also was right on markus Golden. I mean try to be fair at least

You said they had no interest in Rosen, but Gettleman said they did.
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