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jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:01 am
But her e goes my thoughts.

1. Stunned they went qb at 6. Was told no way. I did Tell you they loved Jones. I was told Jones or lock at 17 and last week they thought they may not be available then. I took that to mean trading up from 17. For what it's worth, I actually heard from 3 people Rosen was never a consideration. Also, won't go into specifics, there's more to the team not wanting Haskins then just talent. To me, and I like Jones, passing on allen is criminal. I was wrong though and inown it.

2. Lawrence can play. I disagree w Eric on Tomlinson. If he stays he'll go back To end but they feel he's best at nose. I think he could definitely be traded. I was told tonight most were stunned but they plan to try to add more picks still.

3. Demanded Baker I love. I do. That said he has red flags also. The Giants avoid red flags like the plague but don't here. Baffling. Again. I love Baker though. Well see.

Fire away

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so we are  
Mr. Nickels : 4/26/2019 1:04 am : link
trading Tomlinson now?
Any word on plans to  
Reb8thVA : 4/26/2019 1:05 am : link
Address RT?

And JT thanks as always. I appreciate the explanation but would never fault you for being wrong. Shit happens and you are correct more times than not.
Gettleman  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:05 am : link
said tonight that Lawrence can play anywhere on line, but it seems to me he makes most sense at NT. Maybe they aren't thinking that.

Regardless, they need three DLs. If they trade Tomlinson, they are back to two.
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BleedBlue : 4/26/2019 1:05 am : link
I thought another trade was coming?

I usually.love insiders but man you were WAY off with just about everything lol.

A win now pick isn't Jones, Allen, Oliver or even dev bush would have made a bigger impact this year.

Oh well. Still appreciate the info even tho it's mostly hogwash lol
RE: Any word on plans to  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:06 am : link
In comment 14408809 Reb8thVA said:
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Address RT?

And JT thanks as always. I appreciate the explanation but would never fault you for being wrong. Shit happens and you are correct more times than not.


Onetimeasshat told gidie that Remmers is coming here... that it is a done deal... take that for what it is worth.
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BleedBlue : 4/26/2019 1:06 am : link
Yea not to sure I see them trading Tomlinson

Any idea how they plan to get some picks morrow night? I remember you said they wanted more picks in 2 and 3, they went the other way. Jenkins traded? Engram?
Was Rosen not in consideration...  
Danny80 : 4/26/2019 1:07 am : link
because the Giants didn't like his talent, his personality, or because it didn't fit into their plans with Eli?

I watched nearly every Duke game for the last three years, and Jones was a great QB for Duke, but I don't think I ever saw a top 10 pick. For most of the year, I saw a second or third round pick.

Also still confused/disappointed that Josh Allen was sitting right there and they let him go. It's almost like Gettleman conspired with Tom Coughlin to make Jacksonville's defense even better...
Mr Nickels  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:07 am : link
Didn't say that but it could very well happen. Snacks was a clubhouse lawyer and part of culture issues but gettleman even said they viewed Tomlinson best spot at nose. Now he's back to end. Also if they want to trade up they need to move a player or future picks. Well see. Not definite but more than possible
Simple question  
huygens20 : 4/26/2019 1:08 am : link
Was shurmur 100% behind Daniel Jones at 6.
Rico called you a bitch and took your lunch money  
j_rud : 4/26/2019 1:08 am : link
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I see Tomlinson  
Mr. Nickels : 4/26/2019 1:08 am : link
kicking out to DE. Look at the depth chart.

Hill Lawrence Tomlinson is our front 3 line in the 3-4.
RE: RE: Any word on plans to  
Klaatu : 4/26/2019 1:08 am : link
In comment 14408816 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14408809 Reb8thVA said:


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Address RT?

And JT thanks as always. I appreciate the explanation but would never fault you for being wrong. Shit happens and you are correct more times than not.



Onetimeasshat told gidie that Remmers is coming here... that it is a done deal... take that for what it is worth.


I thought he was outed as a dupe?
Eric  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:10 am : link
I agree w you. They do think olsen Pierre can help but your point is well taken
The narrative sold to you that  
Hsilwek92 : 4/26/2019 1:10 am : link
the Giants wanted to win now was completely blown out of the water when they took Jones at 6. Not your fault at all. Still frustrating.
Tomlinson can play 5  
AcesUp : 4/26/2019 1:10 am : link
This defense isn't as restrictive as most think. I'd be concerned about the pass rush ability of our front but stop worrying about the starting lineup and where they fit.
Klaatu  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:11 am : link
I have no idea at this point. Someone else e-mailed me about him but they could have been fucking with me.

Any news or update  
YANKEE28 : 4/26/2019 1:11 am : link
on RT Mike Remmers and the Giants?
Huy  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:11 am : link
I honestly don't know
Hsil  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:13 am : link
If they didn't want to win now why bring eli back? I like Jones. I do. There's no way he's as good as josh Allen though.
This whole Franchise is confusing as hell..  
prdave73 : 4/26/2019 1:14 am : link
The way things are trending, it doesn't look good. This whole mess doesn't look like a win now team, more like complete rebuild imo..
Danny  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:15 am : link
I'd say personality and talent. I'll leave it there.
curious about Haskins  
madgiantscow009 : 4/26/2019 1:16 am : link
Yankee  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:16 am : link
Was told tonight remmers is happening but who knows. People were shocked by Jones pick even though him and lock were top and on board
welcome back jt..  
FranchiseQB : 4/26/2019 1:17 am : link
your posts make this place more interesting.
'A win now pick isn't Jones'...  
Torrag : 4/26/2019 1:18 am : link
This isn't a win now team. Did you really believe it was? The real contender window opens in 2020....
jt - it always made sense that they would nab a QB at 6 and they see  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/26/2019 1:20 am : link
who shook out among the upper echelon front 7 players at 17. And there were a few really good front 7 players left at 17, and there might even be another one at 95.

Do you have any idea whom the like best among the remaining edge players? Z. Allen, Polite, Banogu, Ximines, Nelson, etc?

They could also really really believe Golden is gonna come roaring back and be set with Golden and Carter on the edges, I suppose. So long as they plan to show Golden the money if he does come roaring back...

I like Lawrence and haven't studied the CBs so no comment on Baker. Can hardly believe Lock is still available... what an arm that kid has.

Was Haskin's father a freak-out for the Giants' scouts?
What happened to building from Inside Out  
kdog77 : 4/26/2019 1:23 am : link
I am not upset about Lawrence or Baker on the merits, but we passed over every stud on OL and ER to take Jones. That will be Gettleman's legacy with the Giants. Hope Jones is worth it.
It is what it is  
Giants38 : 4/26/2019 1:28 am : link
I don't care that you got stuff wrong. Your sources clearly didn't know what they think they did. But the predictions right now:

1) Allen if he is there - poop
2) No QB at 6 - poop
3) Trade back from 17 - poop
4) Trade 17 for a player - poop
5) Accumulate picks between 37 and 95 - poop - now we don't pick until 95, and I honestly have no point how they plan on getting any more picks.

I don't blame you. Really. Your sources don't have it. I did not like how you spoke in absolutes. I didn't get my guy in Haskins, but maybe going forward you should say this could happen rather than this WILL happen.
RE: Hsil  
Hsilwek92 : 4/26/2019 1:28 am : link
In comment 14408840 jtgiants said:
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If they didn't want to win now why bring eli back? I like Jones. I do. There's no way he's as good as josh Allen though.


Let’s be honest, Eli was coming back no matter what. If they truly wanted to win now, they wouldn’t have taken a QB at 6. Especially when there was better talent that could have improved this team on either side of the ball.
Bluelou  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:29 am : link
I have no access to the team's board so can't actually answer. I'm interested to see what happens tommorow. Not sure how they do it but they would love to add some picks
Idk how other feel but it’s time to move on...  
Giantsfanincuse : 4/26/2019 1:29 am : link
A lot of people have vouched for dj which is great but the draft isn’t one night.....jt, what can we hope for tomorrow night? We’ve taken two defenders, maybe can we hope for jj aceda-Whiteside tonight?
Ps jt-  
Giantsfanincuse : 4/26/2019 1:31 am : link
Please keep giving us info!!! your window into the war room is appreciated
Giants38  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:31 am : link
Your not being fair. My source was right on no Haskins and definitely no Rosen. Also was right on markus Golden. I mean try to be fair at least
Giantsfan  
jtgiants : 4/26/2019 1:34 am : link
Not sure how but they would like more picks. I'd say oline and edge rusher would be areas to focus on
RE: Giants38  
Giants38 : 4/26/2019 1:43 am : link
In comment 14408906 jtgiants said:
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Your not being fair. My source was right on no Haskins and definitely no Rosen. Also was right on markus Golden. I mean try to be fair at least


Dude, you said no QB at 6. Not just no Haskins. Right before the draft you said no QB was in consideration at 6. It's blatant.

I'm sure they'd like more picks. There are lots of things I'd like. But unless they can just get teams to give them picks for nothing, they are not getting them.
RE: Giantsfan  
Giants38 : 4/26/2019 1:44 am : link
In comment 14408911 jtgiants said:
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Not sure how but they would like more picks. I'd say oline and edge rusher would be areas to focus on


And I have no sources, but I'd bet that the next positions to be addressed will be OL, EDGE, and WR. But that is based off straight logic.
Cool thanks for posting  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/26/2019 1:52 am : link
Always good to know the Giants front office is still a hot mess.
I find my impression of this draft just plain weird  
Matt M. : 4/26/2019 1:52 am : link
I like the NY and CB, and I don't hate Jones (just where they took him...and I also don't love him). But, even liking all 3 players, I don't like the combination. With premier pass rushers on the board, getting none, and no OL males me nervous about this team.

I fail to see how this team will be significantly different than last year. WE have a moderately improved OL with no #1 WR and an aging QB. So, we will once again rely heavily on Barkley to do amazing things on his own. We obviously will look to stuff the run on D, but have no meaningful pass rush to speak of and a mediocre secondary, even with Baker on board. I just don't see the ability to win more than a handful of games when they had a shot at impact players.
RE: RE: Giants38  
Jim Bur(n)t : 4/26/2019 1:56 am : link
In comment 14408922 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14408906 jtgiants said:


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Your not being fair. My source was right on no Haskins and definitely no Rosen. Also was right on markus Golden. I mean try to be fair at least



Dude, you said no QB at 6. Not just no Haskins. Right before the draft you said no QB was in consideration at 6. It's blatant.

I'm sure they'd like more picks. There are lots of things I'd like. But unless they can just get teams to give them picks for nothing, they are not getting them.


Agree - Sorry JT.. it was a good run, but u knew no more than my neighbor who is a postman... BBI Snake oil.
The more I think about the upcoming season  
Matt M. : 4/26/2019 2:00 am : link
I come away with a lot riding on the development of Engram. If he becomes the player we thought we drafted, they could still be a decent offense. IF not, it is going to be a season of amazing Barkley highlights, but only a handful of wins. They don't have anyone else on offense who scares teams, and that now includes Eli.
RE: 'A win now pick isn't Jones'...  
bigbluescot : 4/26/2019 2:45 am : link
In comment 14408856 Torrag said:
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This isn't a win now team. Did you really believe it was? The real contender window opens in 2020....


I'd be amazed if we were a contender with Jones in his first real year. He's not Mahomes: fuck he's a million miles from being Mahomes. Frankly I'd be amazed if we were ever an contender with Jones, it'd literally make Jones a statistical oddity because his offensive efficiency is dire (literally the lowest in this class) and no college QB in the last 10 years has improved that number in the NFL in his first 4 years, and a number of them had really shitty teams in college as well.

I mean we've literally signed a guy with the 3rd worst pass rating of all QB's with a shot of being drafted in this class. At 6. At fucking 6. I don't care what excuses are made for his teams lack of talent, that's fucking madness.
RE: Giants38  
Milton : 4/26/2019 4:17 am : link
In comment 14408906 jtgiants said:
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Your not being fair. My source was right on no Haskins and definitely no Rosen.
But Gettleman admitted in the press conference that he called Arizona and said if things broke a certain way that would be interested in Rosen. All we really know is that they loved Jones and preferred him to both Haskins and Rosen. If Denver or Jacksonville had jumped the Giants for Jones, who knows who would've been their next choice for QB (because clearly they were adding a QB).
The only way more picks is with players or 2020  
George from PA : 4/26/2019 4:39 am : link
I hope to god, Jones and Lock were not same grade....as Lock is still not picked.

Obviously, no Rosen or Haskins....they picked Jones way too quickly for that
Jt  
joeinpa : 4/26/2019 5:20 am : link
Your posts were fun. But in the future, if you continue to share, you should be more tolerant of posters with differing views of what moves the Giants might make.

You certainly shouldn’t demean them with comments like, “How many times do I have to tell you that s not happening “

As it turns out your predictions are guesses too.
Baker’s supposedly another prima donna  
jeff57 : 4/26/2019 6:29 am : link
So much for character concerns, Gettleman’s such a phony
RE: Danny  
The_Boss : 4/26/2019 6:44 am : link
In comment 14408844 jtgiants said:
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I'd say personality and talent. I'll leave it there.


If they seriously think Jones is more talented than Rosen, this regime probably won’t be around very long, which is a good thing. I’ll admit it: I hate everything about Gettleman.
I find it facinating that no one wanted to address the QB siutation  
ZogZerg : 4/26/2019 6:51 am : link
This year and go all defense in the draft.
Not sure if you noticed  
Oscar : 4/26/2019 6:54 am : link
But nobody wants Rosen, including the team that traded up to draft him and had him in their building for a year.
Thanks for coming back  
John in No Cal : 4/26/2019 6:58 am : link
Owning it and explaining it!! Appreciate the sharing.
jt  
Bill2 : 4/26/2019 7:02 am : link
Your information going into draft pick 5 was dead on accurate

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