This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
being upset with Jones at 6, but I’m willing to give him a chance. It’s not like Duke has the best talent around him and he kept that team competitive. Good intangibles and he does look like a young Peyton on film. We also came away with 2 Defensive starters on day 1 of the draft. Actually 3 if you count Peppers. All in all I’ll take it.
...that Baker was a legit option there considering the players that had been taken to that point and our depth chart at CB. To be able to trade back into Round 1 and get him at #30 was a coup imo.
Lawrence is an impact DL...sure he's not an edge rusher but he's a stud and probably the best pure NT to come out in several years.
I wasn't in the Jones camp and I think it was a misuse of resources but now it has to be proven one way or the other. I'm willing to let it play out without whining and crying as if my opinion is more valid than the teams.
Tough to stomach passing on Josh Allen. But would DJ have of been there at 17?. Did you see what Broncos did at 10 in need of QB with the talk of Elway and Co hot for Haskins and Jones? They traded out within a few picks of Jones with Haskins on board... it seems they liked DJ or a smokescreen for Hock.
Could Elway and Co have had their eyes set on Daniel Jones all along? Maybe so...
This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
Depends on the value of that. The best of a class of Blake Bortles and Gabberts? Or a draft of quality QBs? I don't think it even comes down to being the best QB in the draft. Does he help us win? Do we win with him? If not then it doesn't matter.
This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
Then like robbie said, "awesome." But it's not just Jones vs. the other 2019 draftees. He's going to be compared to the 2018 class, too.
Jones will determine the overall grade of this draft for Giants. Lawrence will always have OBJ as comparison and Baker will be left as the lone pick left without blemish due to Giants FO.
This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
Agreed.
There also may be another angle. What if Haskins is more successful?
to surprise a lot of people if he’s back to 100% health. A great motor and plays with a chip on his shoulder. I also expect Carter to build on last season and take a big step forward in year 2.
If they are right about Daniel Jones it will be great Â
But what if they are wrong? It's Qb hell for a guy who was maybe projected as the 8th best QB over this year and last?
GMEn made a huge gamble didn't they?
And Eric on this site two of the analysts SY and David Te-- SY said he would pass on him though I get the feeling he thinks he's okay. But he did say he'd pass.
And David Te definitely didn't like him --
So initial look from our two prominent analysts -- it doesn't look that good does it?
And to further that-- for some of us who dont think much of DG- it kind of shakes us a bit, right?
With that said -- man if Jones comes throuhg itwould be aweosme. You got to have a frontline QB for the futrue. Hopefully he's it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't 50% of all first round QBs shit the stable? This is one of those times that many of us here saw it happening beforehand. Shit happens, teams make mistakes. We all know WHY the team (likely) fucked this pick up...
The sooner the Accorsi and Manning ERA are truly OVER, the better off this team will be, going forward.
Gettleman just reset the time clock back until the Giants' next SB victory by 3-5 years IMHO.
This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
Eric, do u think jones can be that kind of starter? I’m trying t be hopeful
This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
Of course it matters how they do. If they both turn out to be elite players, that's going to help a lot, even if Jones doesn't really pan out.
First-round QBs bust all time time. It sets the franchise back but they'll move on. Ryan Leaf busted, the Chargers got Philip Rivers. Either way, it's not the end of the franchise. It'll just be infuriating if they try to force-feed a guy who just isn't that good, and we have to watch.
This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
You're making that up. We have a nose tackle. We got rid of a Pro Bowler (Snacks) for next to nothing because nose tackle was Tomlinson's best position. We are circling the drain at the bottom of the toilet.
And they passed on him for a QB that didn’t throw for over 3,000 yards in any season. Josh Allen had 17 sacks last year alone and was considered by most to be a top 3 talent in this draft.
Rico mentioned DG tried to trade up to 8 with Detroit to get Allen which let’s all of us know DG had no balls to get Allen at 6 and trade up for Jones.
I keep hearing value. A top 3 player falls to 6 and you give up nothing to get him......that IS value.
I seriously question this approach and this move and I have no problem with Jones himself, just passing on Allen to get him.
I'm always amazed that people absolutely positively know what this guy will be or that guy won't be. Here's what I absolutely positively know: I don't know the future.
I'm not excited by Jones but I don't think Josh Allen is a sure thing. Nobody's a sure thing.
This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
He could be ... because this QB class is garbage.
This team will suck, they will draft top 10, and rather than plug the holes on defense with elite talent (Allen), let’s reach on a QB and take ourselves out of the Tua/Fromm/Herbert class.
This pick is so mindblowingly stupid it’s insane - for so many reasons.
Daniel Jones needs to be Andrew Luck/Aaron Rodgers for this to make sense. I’m sure it’s a coincidence the QB they reach on is Manning-approved, definitely a coincidence.
2018 class, 2020 class ... nah, let’s take Jones @ 6.
I am a big fan of the Lawrence and Baker picks. If they were the picks at #7 and #17, I would have been happy. That's my opinion on those 2 guys.
My concern with Jones is that even if he's a bust, he will be given a long leash to prove himself and that could set the Giants back another 3-4 years.
I'm 100% rooting I'm wrong about Jones, I just don't see any chance of him being elite and I think the probability he becomes a solid starting QB is low.
And they passed on him for a QB that didn’t throw for over 3,000 yards in any season. Josh Allen had 17 sacks last year alone and was considered by most to be a top 3 talent in this draft.
Rico mentioned DG tried to trade up to 8 with Detroit to get Allen which let’s all of us know DG had no balls to get Allen at 6 and trade up for Jones.
I keep hearing value. A top 3 player falls to 6 and you give up nothing to get him......that IS value.
I seriously question this approach and this move and I have no problem with Jones himself, just passing on Allen to get him.
What if you also value the QB as a top 3 player? Vernon Gholston had 14 sacks as a Junior after 8.5 sacks his Sophomore year. How did he do in the NFL?
You're making that up. We have a nose tackle. We got rid of a Pro Bowler (Snacks) for next to nothing because nose tackle was Tomlinson's best position. We are circling the drain at the bottom of the toilet.
if he is, then dg will be a hero. if he's not, even if he's the best in a bad class it would mean nothing and dg will have earned all the arrows being aimed at him. here's a question, he's a smart mobile qb without the best arm. and questionable decision making. would you be happy if you found out the giants just drafted the equivalent of chad pennington or alex smith?
The giants must be really banking on Carter and Golden to provide pressure off the edge.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
Agreed.
The giants must be really banking on Carter and Golden to provide pressure off the edge.
Yup, but if we didn't draft another DL, teams would be running up and down the field on us. AGAIN.
Lawrence is an impact DL...sure he's not an edge rusher but he's a stud and probably the best pure NT to come out in several years.
I wasn't in the Jones camp and I think it was a misuse of resources but now it has to be proven one way or the other. I'm willing to let it play out without whining and crying as if my opinion is more valid than the teams.
Tough to stomach passing on Josh Allen. But would DJ have of been there at 17?. Did you see what Broncos did at 10 in need of QB with the talk of Elway and Co hot for Haskins and Jones? They traded out within a few picks of Jones with Haskins on board... it seems they liked DJ or a smokescreen for Hock.
Could Elway and Co have had their eyes set on Daniel Jones all along? Maybe so...
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This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
Depends on the value of that. The best of a class of Blake Bortles and Gabberts? Or a draft of quality QBs? I don't think it even comes down to being the best QB in the draft. Does he help us win? Do we win with him? If not then it doesn't matter.
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This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
Then like robbie said, "awesome." But it's not just Jones vs. the other 2019 draftees. He's going to be compared to the 2018 class, too.
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This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
Agreed.
There also may be another angle. What if Haskins is more successful?
GMEn made a huge gamble didn't they?
And Eric on this site two of the analysts SY and David Te-- SY said he would pass on him though I get the feeling he thinks he's okay. But he did say he'd pass.
And David Te definitely didn't like him --
So initial look from our two prominent analysts -- it doesn't look that good does it?
And to further that-- for some of us who dont think much of DG- it kind of shakes us a bit, right?
With that said -- man if Jones comes throuhg itwould be aweosme. You got to have a frontline QB for the futrue. Hopefully he's it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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However, we won't see much improvement from the defense unless if we improve our pass rush.
The giants must be really banking on Carter and Golden to provide pressure off the edge.
Yup, but if we didn't draft another DL, teams would be running up and down the field on us. AGAIN.
Don't 50% of all first round QBs shit the stable? This is one of those times that many of us here saw it happening beforehand. Shit happens, teams make mistakes. We all know WHY the team (likely) fucked this pick up...
The sooner the Accorsi and Manning ERA are truly OVER, the better off this team will be, going forward.
Gettleman just reset the time clock back until the Giants' next SB victory by 3-5 years IMHO.
And I ain't getting any younger, myself.
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This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
Eric, do u think jones can be that kind of starter? I’m trying t be hopeful
First-round QBs bust all time time. It sets the franchise back but they'll move on. Ryan Leaf busted, the Chargers got Philip Rivers. Either way, it's not the end of the franchise. It'll just be infuriating if they try to force-feed a guy who just isn't that good, and we have to watch.
My biggest problem...is the Giants needed to maximize value and they did the opposite of maximize.
WASHINGTON MAXIMIZED VALUE, which pisses me off even more
I would have gone with Allen but they didnt and they all risked their jobs to go get Jones.
And its done so lets get behind it and move on to day 2 where it would be nice to get another pick before 95
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This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
Thats not saying much for this qb draft class
I really don't see Jones as that guy.
The thing the really really bothers me is that he would have been there at 17, and if not, Haskins would have been
Rico mentioned DG tried to trade up to 8 with Detroit to get Allen which let’s all of us know DG had no balls to get Allen at 6 and trade up for Jones.
I keep hearing value. A top 3 player falls to 6 and you give up nothing to get him......that IS value.
I seriously question this approach and this move and I have no problem with Jones himself, just passing on Allen to get him.
I'm not excited by Jones but I don't think Josh Allen is a sure thing. Nobody's a sure thing.
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This draft will always come down to Jones and what we passed on for him. If Jones succeeds then awesome. If not then all people will talk about is how we passed on a guy like Allen. Like it or not that is the truth.
But what if Jones ends up being the best QB in this draft?
He could be ... because this QB class is garbage.
This team will suck, they will draft top 10, and rather than plug the holes on defense with elite talent (Allen), let’s reach on a QB and take ourselves out of the Tua/Fromm/Herbert class.
This pick is so mindblowingly stupid it’s insane - for so many reasons.
Daniel Jones needs to be Andrew Luck/Aaron Rodgers for this to make sense. I’m sure it’s a coincidence the QB they reach on is Manning-approved, definitely a coincidence.
2018 class, 2020 class ... nah, let’s take Jones @ 6.
My concern with Jones is that even if he's a bust, he will be given a long leash to prove himself and that could set the Giants back another 3-4 years.
I'm 100% rooting I'm wrong about Jones, I just don't see any chance of him being elite and I think the probability he becomes a solid starting QB is low.
Rico mentioned DG tried to trade up to 8 with Detroit to get Allen which let’s all of us know DG had no balls to get Allen at 6 and trade up for Jones.
I keep hearing value. A top 3 player falls to 6 and you give up nothing to get him......that IS value.
I seriously question this approach and this move and I have no problem with Jones himself, just passing on Allen to get him.
What if you also value the QB as a top 3 player? Vernon Gholston had 14 sacks as a Junior after 8.5 sacks his Sophomore year. How did he do in the NFL?
WRONG. Thats not why they got rid of Snacks lol.