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Cutcliffe: Jones will be a championship QB in the NFL

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:31 am
“He can win a championship,” Cutcliffe said as he stood just a stone’s throw away from the stage in downtown Nashville, where Roger Goodell announced that Jones was the Giants’ sixth overall pick. “He’s that level of NFL quarterback. I just know he’ll be a championship quarterback in that league.”
Duke coach David Cutcliffe believes Daniel Jones will win a championship with Giants - ( New Window )
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:31 am : link
“He throws the ball well enough to play with anybody,” Cutcliffe said. “I would think he’s going to play 14-16 years, and he’ll be a championship quarterback. He’ll win a championship.”
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:31 am : link
“He has great courage in the pocket, has great pocket movement,” Cutcliffe said. “I can throw the film on and show you. I don’t see some film, I see all of it. There’s a difference.”
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:32 am : link
“I’ve known those guys a while,” he said of Gettleman and coach Pat Shurmur. “I’m not going to ask them to tell me [what they thought], but you can tell when somebody really likes someone. There were four or five people that came in and had the same reaction.”
I'm going to hire Cutcliffe to sell me house  
robbieballs2003 : 4/26/2019 1:33 am : link
haha
'I don’t see some film, I see all of it. There’s a difference'...  
Torrag : 4/26/2019 1:36 am : link
Yup. Heartening to hear. Also that unnamed 'others' had strong positive reactions to a full reading of the young mans resume.

As I've said I wasn't in the Jones camp but I'll take it in stride and root for his success.
Would you expect Cutliffe to say anything different?  
Klaatu : 4/26/2019 1:38 am : link
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Leg of Theismann : 4/26/2019 1:42 am : link
Lost 59-7 to Wake Forest and threw for 145 yards.
(*looks at schedule*)
Hopefully this... Chic--ago?... Bears? Does that say Bears? Right, yeah, whoever they are, hopefully their defense isn't as stingy as Wake Forest's.
RE: Would you expect Cutliffe to say anything different?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 1:44 am : link
In comment 14408917 Klaatu said:
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Sure. He didn't have to say something that strong. Remember, this is a guy who coached Peyton and Eli.
This kid has IT  
GRBlue : 4/26/2019 1:51 am : link
Goes beyond numbers and arm strength. It’s an insatiable desire to be great, character, poise. Combined with the tools, even if they aren’t as sexy as some others. .

I think being able to handle NY is also a major component of his stock a la Eli and Jeter.
RE: RE: Would you expect Cutliffe to say anything different?  
giantstock : 4/26/2019 1:53 am : link
In comment 14408924 Eric from BBI said:
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Sure. He didn't have to say something that strong. Remember, this is a guy who coached Peyton and Eli.


Why wouldn't he?
RE: RE: Would you expect Cutliffe to say anything different?  
Klaatu : 4/26/2019 2:04 am : link
In comment 14408924 Eric from BBI said:
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Sure. He didn't have to say something that strong. Remember, this is a guy who coached Peyton and Eli.


So, tell me, Coach, what do you think of Jones?

Meh. Comme ci, comme ca.
He didn't need to say something  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/26/2019 2:07 am : link
that strong?

How strong is it Eric? You're trying to "sell" your latest - QB, vintage wine, laptop, i-phone - and you want to really plug it you say, "this whatever is my best watchamacallit yet!"

I didn't hear Cutcliffe saying Jones is as good as Peyton or Eli were do you? Heck I didn't hear Cutcliffe say Jones was in the same ballpark as a quality player like the Manning brothers...

Fact is, given what he could or might have said what he did say was nothing special.

Because Jones is simply not that good. Some things are easier for "lay people" to see than the "experts." Although in fact, mist of the "expert" pundits or draft evealuators or the scouts McGinn spoke to didn't see Jones as a first round prospect.

Because, quite likely, he shouldn't have been taken in the first round. Yeah, footwork, reading the field, studying, playing hard, tough, all that and a can of soup. Too bad the guy doesn't throw the ball well enough to be a top tier NFL starter.
saying he will win a superbowl  
msh : 4/26/2019 2:16 am : link
is a high level of praise he could just say he thought he will be a good player and leave it there

if he wins 2 superbowls or more than this was a fantastic pick as peyton and eli won 2 each, so if the trend continues or impoves then we would all be for that

this team is better than what he had at duke if you listen to the podcast about him, both brooks and daniel J talked about how bad the duke OL was and how poor the surrounding players at duke were and if he got top class playmakers look out and barkley,engram,shepard and tate all fit that bill

the importance of peppers and zietler cant be overstated either they get what amounts to 5 first round picks when you add those 2 to the guys they drafted thats 3 drafts worth of nailed high 1st and second round picks right there in one offseason

moving on after eli was always going to be a tough one and DG knew better than anyone he was going to cope it no matter who he drafted
RE: He didn't need to say something  
bigbluescot : 4/26/2019 2:50 am : link
In comment 14408949 BlueLou'sBack said:
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that strong?

How strong is it Eric? You're trying to "sell" your latest - QB, vintage wine, laptop, i-phone - and you want to really plug it you say, "this whatever is my best watchamacallit yet!"

I didn't hear Cutcliffe saying Jones is as good as Peyton or Eli were do you? Heck I didn't hear Cutcliffe say Jones was in the same ballpark as a quality player like the Manning brothers...

Fact is, given what he could or might have said what he did say was nothing special.

Because Jones is simply not that good. Some things are easier for "lay people" to see than the "experts." Although in fact, mist of the "expert" pundits or draft evealuators or the scouts McGinn spoke to didn't see Jones as a first round prospect.

Because, quite likely, he shouldn't have been taken in the first round. Yeah, footwork, reading the field, studying, playing hard, tough, all that and a can of soup. Too bad the guy doesn't throw the ball well enough to be a top tier NFL starter.


He doesn't read the field well. They ran an offense with around 75% single read concepts. When he had to progress through reads he was noticeably slow to do so, constantly patting the ball.
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joeinpa : 4/26/2019 5:04 am : link
In comment 14408979 bigbluescot said:
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that strong?

How strong is it Eric? You're trying to "sell" your latest - QB, vintage wine, laptop, i-phone - and you want to really plug it you say, "this whatever is my best watchamacallit yet!"

I didn't hear Cutcliffe saying Jones is as good as Peyton or Eli were do you? Heck I didn't hear Cutcliffe say Jones was in the same ballpark as a quality player like the Manning brothers...

Fact is, given what he could or might have said what he did say was nothing special.

Because Jones is simply not that good. Some things are easier for "lay people" to see than the "experts." Although in fact, mist of the "expert" pundits or draft evealuators or the scouts McGinn spoke to didn't see Jones as a first round prospect.

Because, quite likely, he shouldn't have been taken in the first round. Yeah, footwork, reading the field, studying, playing hard, tough, all that and a can of soup. Too bad the guy doesn't throw the ball well enough to be a top tier NFL starter.



He doesn't read the field well. They ran an offense with around 75% single read concepts. When he had to progress through reads he was noticeably slow to do so, constantly patting the ball.


That s not what Kurt Warner said about him. Said reading the field was a strength.
Well he did have to say something that strong  
Jay in Toronto : 4/26/2019 6:03 am : link
If that was what he kept feeding Giants brass.
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bigbluescot : 4/26/2019 6:03 am : link
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that strong?

How strong is it Eric? You're trying to "sell" your latest - QB, vintage wine, laptop, i-phone - and you want to really plug it you say, "this whatever is my best watchamacallit yet!"

I didn't hear Cutcliffe saying Jones is as good as Peyton or Eli were do you? Heck I didn't hear Cutcliffe say Jones was in the same ballpark as a quality player like the Manning brothers...

Fact is, given what he could or might have said what he did say was nothing special.

Because Jones is simply not that good. Some things are easier for "lay people" to see than the "experts." Although in fact, mist of the "expert" pundits or draft evealuators or the scouts McGinn spoke to didn't see Jones as a first round prospect.

Because, quite likely, he shouldn't have been taken in the first round. Yeah, footwork, reading the field, studying, playing hard, tough, all that and a can of soup. Too bad the guy doesn't throw the ball well enough to be a top tier NFL starter.



He doesn't read the field well. They ran an offense with around 75% single read concepts. When he had to progress through reads he was noticeably slow to do so, constantly patting the ball.



That s not what Kurt Warner said about him. Said reading the field was a strength.


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Jones was primarily asked to execute 0/1-step drops, RPOs, screens, and rollouts, concepts that generally indicate simpler, or even singular, reads. He did so on a whopping 72.6% of his dropbacks, the eighth-highest rate among 164 quarterbacks who dropped back 100+ times in 2018. To give you an idea of how that might translate to the NFL, Nick Foles had the highest rate of 43 NFL quarterbacks at 58.3%. Only two other quarterbacks did so at a rate above 50%, and the average rate among quarterbacks who dropped back at least 100 times was 33.8%.

Fit will be important for all of these quarterbacks, but it seems that Jones’ projection requires a bigger leap of faith than the others. Whereas the numbers can point to ways in which Haskins and Lock win, the statistical picture for Jones is cloudy.


Statisically, Jones would have to buck a trend that only Brady has bucked. He'll need to drastically improve offensive efficiency in the NFL. In the last ten years, no other college QB has been more efficient in the pros than they have been in college, and Jones was extremely inefficient. People can blame that on the oline, the receiving corps etc but he played in a system designed to give him simple reads and short to intermediate completions, and his statistical return was pretty dire.
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bigbluescot : 4/26/2019 6:05 am : link
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that strong?

How strong is it Eric? You're trying to "sell" your latest - QB, vintage wine, laptop, i-phone - and you want to really plug it you say, "this whatever is my best watchamacallit yet!"

I didn't hear Cutcliffe saying Jones is as good as Peyton or Eli were do you? Heck I didn't hear Cutcliffe say Jones was in the same ballpark as a quality player like the Manning brothers...

Fact is, given what he could or might have said what he did say was nothing special.

Because Jones is simply not that good. Some things are easier for "lay people" to see than the "experts." Although in fact, mist of the "expert" pundits or draft evealuators or the scouts McGinn spoke to didn't see Jones as a first round prospect.

Because, quite likely, he shouldn't have been taken in the first round. Yeah, footwork, reading the field, studying, playing hard, tough, all that and a can of soup. Too bad the guy doesn't throw the ball well enough to be a top tier NFL starter.



He doesn't read the field well. They ran an offense with around 75% single read concepts. When he had to progress through reads he was noticeably slow to do so, constantly patting the ball.



That s not what Kurt Warner said about him. Said reading the field was a strength.





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Jones was primarily asked to execute 0/1-step drops, RPOs, screens, and rollouts, concepts that generally indicate simpler, or even singular, reads. He did so on a whopping 72.6% of his dropbacks, the eighth-highest rate among 164 quarterbacks who dropped back 100+ times in 2018. To give you an idea of how that might translate to the NFL, Nick Foles had the highest rate of 43 NFL quarterbacks at 58.3%. Only two other quarterbacks did so at a rate above 50%, and the average rate among quarterbacks who dropped back at least 100 times was 33.8%.

Fit will be important for all of these quarterbacks, but it seems that Jones’ projection requires a bigger leap of faith than the others. Whereas the numbers can point to ways in which Haskins and Lock win, the statistical picture for Jones is cloudy.



Statisically, Jones would have to buck a trend that only Brady has bucked. He'll need to drastically improve offensive efficiency in the NFL. In the last ten years, no other college QB has been more efficient in the pros than they have been in college, and Jones was extremely inefficient. People can blame that on the oline, the receiving corps etc but he played in a system designed to give him simple reads and short to intermediate completions, and his statistical return was pretty dire.


Sorry I should say no QB has been more efficient over his first four years than he was in college.
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