I don’t understand BBI at all....

i like jones- i like his qualities--- i cannot deal with an immobile QB next. his command at the line is very eli esque- thats a good thing- his toughness is also there. and he can make the throws, even if its not a golden arm.
at 6 i didnt love it, but such is life. they still got 2 good defenders.

In the NFL for awhile. Jones wasn’t good at in college. The arm strength isn’t an issue, it’s the ability to play the position.

If he is what a lot of “experts” say he is, DG and Shurm are probably goners.

If Jones becomes a success, DG becomes a genius.

In the end, we’re all NYG fans. Let’s pray he was right. I don’t want to continue watching shitty football.

I'm a little bit confused about it that I think most of us knew that Daniel Jones was a possibility at #6... especially after all of the pre-draft chatter about him.

I even joked a few days ago that BBI would go nuts if we drafted Jones at #6 with one of the "premium" defensive players there.

I didn't think we'd go QB at 6 and we did. They clearly loved him so i'm fine with it.

Peyton or Eli never had strong arms coming from? Peyton and Eli has excellent zip on their sideline passes in their prime.

Jones is lacking in accuracy, arm strength, college production, and even field vision according to some.

His excuse is that his team sucked outside of him which is fine but only gets you so far. Also the fact that people have been calling this for a year now because of the Cutcliffe connection rubs a lot of us the wrong way.

I really hope he’s good but he is a very weak pick at initial glance.

Josh Allen and Daniel Jones would be perfectly fine.

They blinked...imo

That s a rarity for you and me😄

And in particular with the draft, a lot of these people have spent months acting like they’re draft experts and forming these strong opinions they have as facts - so much so that they believe they’re facts as well. They get emotionally connected to these *facts* and when those facts dont become reality, they cant handle it.

...and has a coachable personality. That's a good combination. My biggest concern is that more than one draftnik described him as having poor awareness of the pressure. That leads to fumbles and injuries.

While the OP says he might be more like ELi than we imagined -- when you reads the analysis of David Te on Jones and the analysis of SY on Jones - he's probably more like Tannehill as we imagine.

On the intermediate and deep throws. It's so far off from what you normally see from a top prospect.

But I get it, Gettleman is a genius.

Jones shits the bed in 2020, the Giants get the #1 overall pick in 2021, and get Sunshine Lawrence. He's playing the long game and we are all too blind to see it!

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In the NFL for awhile. Jones wasn’t good at in college. The arm strength isn’t an issue, it’s the ability to play the position.

And he played for a really bad team. So no shot that had an effect, right? And incase you've been sleeping through the last year, we are building a team that wants to dominate time of possession. Jones excels at everything you want in the short and intermediate game.

But hey, you bitched at me last week about how Gettelman doesn't like to invest in CB's so I guess I can learn a thing or two from you.

That showed Jones had one of the worst OLd and his WRs dropped the 2nd most balls in college.

Again production isn’t there because there’s no talent around him. This idea QBs should make all the players around them better is BS. If you can’t block, you can’t block.

If you cant catch, you can’t catch.

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While the OP says he might be more like ELi than we imagined -- when you reads the analysis of David Te on Jones and the analysis of SY on Jones - he's probably more like Tannehill as we imagine.

And if that turns out to be the case, a new regime gets to take a swing at the ball in a few years.

And many were upset with the pick and reacted emotionally. Rooting for a sports team is an emotional thing and when people are surprised and disappointed, they react that way. It’s not really surprising. Many thought we had a shot at a real playmaker at a position of desperate need, and instead we got a guy with very little wow factor who likely won’t play a meaningful snap this year.

I count myself in the category of people who were disappointed with the Jones pick. I agree with Sy’s analysis that this is a guy the Giants should not have picked.

Regardless of what I thought leading up to the draft and last night, Jones is the immediate future of this team at the QB spot so I am on board now and hoping like hell he turns into an all time great. But fans are fans and some will be rational and some will be emotional. Everyone will not be a fan the same way you are and that is ok.

to draft him. They may be right. Others think that the Giants were enamored with him because of the Cutcliffe connection. There may be something to that, but I don't think it was a major factor. It is clear from everything that Gettleman/Shurmur said in their presser that they love his toughness and Jones is tough. He reminds me a lot of Sam Darnold - mobile, but not a runner, good accuracy and judgment.

I actually think we got good value with him at 6. I don't think he'll have the career that Eli has, but he'll be good starting qb.

and glad you started the thread. The bitching has been absolutely ridiculous since we selected Jones.

Nobody here (other than Sy) is experienced enough and scouted all of the QBs to know anything.

In my limited knowledge and only based upon what I can see on youtube (which is not a coach's tape), here is what I see.

1. The guy is extremely accurate - knock on Eli at times
2. Jones shows that he can go through the progressions and not key on one WR.
3. He is mobile and can beat you with his legs while he is still a pocket passer.
4. He is tough and will put his head down and force his way to a first down or over the goal line.
5. He does not get flustered when pressured.Courage in the pocket.
6. He was coached by the best apparently.

What we still need to know is what kind of leader he will be.

People here are getting their vaginas hurt because he was not ranked in the top 10 on most draft boards... that's it. If we drafted Haskins, nobody would have said anything.

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to draft him. They may be right.

Those individuals really have no ability to put things into perspective. So we took Jones maybe 10 draft slots ahead of where he was scheduled to get picked. That is NOTHING.

Consider what we did to get Eli. There were some here (including myself) who did not like giving up what we did for him. However, that cost versus 10 draft positions is not even close.

I wanted Allen as well.
But, the Giants obviously liked Jones better than any other QB available this year. The Giants had conviction on a QB, which is what we all want. I think the mobility factor was a huge selling point along with his toughness. I can't believe folks didn't want the Giants to address QB this year.

I said for weeks, if the Giants had a QB they really liked that they had to take him at #6. Others said it as well and folks didn't want to listen.

People wanted their Edge guy and are now acting like babies because the Giants didn't pick who they wanted.

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and glad you started the thread. The bitching has been absolutely ridiculous since we selected Jones. Nobody here (other than Sy) is experienced enough and scouted all of the QBs to know anything. In my limited knowledge and only based upon what I can see on youtube (which is not a coach's tape), here is what I see. 1. The guy is extremely accurate - knock on Eli at times 2. Jones shows that he can go through the progressions and not key on one WR. 3. He is mobile and can beat you with his legs while he is still a pocket passer. 4. He is tough and will put his head down and force his way to a first down or over the goal line. 5. He does not get flustered when pressured.Courage in the pocket. 6. He was coached by the best apparently. What we still need to know is what kind of leader he will be. People here are getting their vaginas hurt because he was not ranked in the top 10 on most draft boards... that's it. If we drafted Haskins, nobody would have said anything.

Many here, including myself, didn’t want a qb out of this entire class at all. I’d be just as disappointed in Haskins or Lock as I am with Jones, be it at any draft slot this weekend.

scored over 40 on the Wonderlic we should have signed him in FA.

Look at the kids college production. Granted bad team impacted his numbers but 56% completion with a noodle arm. I read somewhere his % was 28% on throws over 20 yards.

QBs always get over drafted but my god at 6 with Allen on the board Ill never understand. Where is our pass rush coming from this year?

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to draft him. They may be right. Others think that the Giants were enamored with him because of the Cutcliffe connection. There may be something to that, but I don't think it was a major factor. It is clear from everything that Gettleman/Shurmur said in their presser that they love his toughness and Jones is tough. He reminds me a lot of Sam Darnold - mobile, but not a runner, good accuracy and judgment. I actually think we got good value with him at 6. I don't think he'll have the career that Eli has, but he'll be good starting qb.

It's never too soon to draft a QB you believe is a Franchise guy. People have their heads in the sand if they believe that. If anything, I would have less confidence in the pick if they waited until 17 to see if he was there.

I've watched pretty much all of his games last year, 7 from the all-22 and the rest from broadcast. I just don't see the wow talent at all, he's surprisingly shifty as a runner (although I don't think he's particularly smart about protecting himself)

but I do think some of his issues were due to the collarbone injury. He was very good in the games up to it and then varying degrees of a worse in all the games after the surgery until the bowl game where he was more like the 1st 3 games.

Now obviously that's only one year and it's not like he was statistically much better any other year.

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scored over 40 on the Wonderlic we should have signed him in FA. Look at the kids college production. Granted bad team impacted his numbers but 56% completion with a noodle arm. I read somewhere his % was 28% on throws over 20 yards. QBs always get over drafted but my god at 6 with Allen on the board Ill never understand. Where is our pass rush coming from this year?

That 28% number on throws 20 yards plus down the field has been referenced a few times in the last 12 hours. Scary shit if true.

most of the backlash is at 6 and I get it. I didn't like it either. But I have to default to those that spend their entire offseason dedicated to making this pick - if they felt he was gone at 17 and were worried about a trade up, then you just get it done.

Josh Allen isn't a Hall of Famer yet, so I'm ok waiting to see how this plays out. And if Jones is very good, Allen won't matter anyway.

I wouldn’t have been happy about it, but I could have lived with it. But to pick him at 6 especially with Allen on the board was too much. Especially with all Gettleman’s blather last year about taking the BOA regardless of position. There’s no way Jones was the sixth best player in the draft. He reached for a QB. If you think a Nick Foles, or a taller Case Keenum, is worth the sixth pick in the draft, then you should be happy.

Somehow would’ve been happier if we took Lawrence at 6 and got “better value” with Jones at 17.

People are pissed because the mock drafts they look at told them to be pissed… I personally would have gone D but I also know I’m not a professional NFL scout.

All I can say is I'll be rooting hard for Jones, Lawrence and Baker...

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scored over 40 on the Wonderlic we should have signed him in FA. Look at the kids college production. Granted bad team impacted his numbers but 56% completion with a noodle arm. I read somewhere his % was 28% on throws over 20 yards. QBs always get over drafted but my god at 6 with Allen on the board Ill never understand. Where is our pass rush coming from this year?

Jones threw is better than Lock and Haskins at the combine. His arm is plenty strong enough.

But they obviously loved Jones. If you like a QB that much you don’t fuck around just draft him. They would have been right to take him #1 overall if that was the situation.

He will checkdown if nothing is there. Even his name is boring. He will make the right throws but you won’t say wow like you would with saquon.

I’ll give them the benefit of doubt. You can win with someone like that.

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In comment 14409211 ajr2456 said: Quote: In the NFL for awhile. Jones wasn’t good at in college. The arm strength isn’t an issue, it’s the ability to play the position. And he played for a really bad team. So no shot that had an effect, right? And incase you've been sleeping through the last year, we are building a team that wants to dominate time of possession. Jones excels at everything you want in the short and intermediate game. But hey, you bitched at me last week about how Gettelman doesn't like to invest in CB's so I guess I can learn a thing or two from you.

One pick doesn’t buck a trend.

Keep blaming Jones’ faults on his teammates, it really will be a smooth transition from Eli.

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Somehow would’ve been happier if we took Lawrence at 6 and got “better value” with Jones at 17.

Definitely.

Was getting a defensive stud at #6. People are disappointed over not getting Allen or another defensive stud at #6 and some respected posters including SY’56 were not sold on Jones. I’m warming up to Jones. I like the intangibles and athleticism.

SY’56 said months ago if Jones was the Giants guy they were not waiting until 17 to pick him . Kudos to SY’56. Glad the Giants got their guy.

1) The idea that any of us knows which players were ranked higher on each teams boards (and why they were) is beyond stupid.
2) We hear each year how the draft is a crap shoot, draft picks do not automatically mean players who will be stars or even make the team and then when a pick is made (or some traded) we hear how dumb the choice was and how can you give up so much..
3)Please tell how the Giants reached for Jones- when Haskins slipped passed QB needy teams- Oak, Miami, Denver.. If Jones was such a bad pick and Haskins such a stud, why didn't any of those QB needy teams snag him?
4) Again, the draft guides and reports are opinions based on outside observation (no testing in person, no meeting with coaches, no hands on involvement) and yet when a team grabs a guy that the "guides" had listed lower the consensus screams are the FOOTBALL people know nothing and should be fired.

Someone on another thread used the breakdown of Tom Brady when he came out as an example of don't always go with the "scouting" report as gospel. Someone immediately chimed in saying don't even compare Jones with Brady.. The OP didn't compare the two as of today but the reports of Brady coming out to Jones coming out. Guess what, if Jones and Brady were in the same draft way back when, Jones would have been drafted higher than Brady! The point isn't comparing Jones to the now known commodity that is Brady but to the unknown draft report of Brady when he was coming out of college.

Before we shit on the guy let's give him a chance.

When regarding %.

How many of the incompletions on deep balls are due to:
- bad throws
- drops
- good coverage
- throwaways

Sometimes context matters.

is the angry guys (1) who never got over taking a QB last year, and (2) think Josh Rosen is the answer. If you start there, it is pretty hard to be objective about the Jones pick.

The Giants did an enormous amount of work on him and all of the other QBs in this and the last draft. They wanted a tough QB that can run an offense and make the throws. That's what they think they got. They bet hard on this kid. Time will tell if they are right.

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2. Jones shows that he can go through the progressions and not key on one WR.

He was near the top of the college football prospects in one read passes.

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In comment 14409232 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 14409211 ajr2456 said: Quote: In the NFL for awhile. Jones wasn’t good at in college. The arm strength isn’t an issue, it’s the ability to play the position. And he played for a really bad team. So no shot that had an effect, right? And incase you've been sleeping through the last year, we are building a team that wants to dominate time of possession. Jones excels at everything you want in the short and intermediate game. But hey, you bitched at me last week about how Gettelman doesn't like to invest in CB's so I guess I can learn a thing or two from you. One pick doesn’t buck a trend. Keep blaming Jones’ faults on his teammates, it really will be a smooth transition from Eli.

Well it is a factor. Name 1 player on duke on offense that will get drafted. I’ll wait. Now we can all name 2 wrs from ohio st that will be drafted. Now we can also name to olinemen from ohio st getting drafted. So yea, there wasnt much talent around daniel jones.

best available, in their opinion.

I’m sure they would have preferred to get Jones at 17 and use the 6 pick on Allen or whoever fell to them. I think the problem was they couldn’t find a partner to trade up from 17 to get ahead of the 3-4 other teams who also might have taken a QB.

I look at it this way. They had a bonus pick and used it on a QB.

I would've been more disappointed had it been Q Williams they had passed over (on the final night of passover). I think Allen is a better fit in a 4-3 defense despite the fact that he had experience in coverage at Kentucky. From what I read, he was at his best with his hand in the dirt.

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Josh is a much more aggressive attacking the line of scrimmage than he is dropping off the line of scrimmage. He struggles tackling consistently in the open field and this will be magnified at the next level. When he drops off into zone coverage he seems to be lost at times and struggles to be consistent in his drops. Josh struggles tackling consistently in the open field and at times uses poor form and also will hesitate, allowing others to make the tackle. This doesn’t happen when he is used to attack the line of scrimmage. There is too much talent and potential to pass up Josh in the 1st round but the truth is right now he is better in a three-point stance bursting off the line into the back field than he is standing up, off the line of scrimmage. He is going to need some hard coaching and a mature attitude to reach his full potential as an OLB/DE in a 3/4 Defense. I’m not saying he can’t do it…all I’m saying is, put on the film and watch him in a three-point stance coming off the line and then tell me that you think he should be standing up off the line struggling to carry out his assignment, until you can get him up to speed.

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In comment 14409211 ajr2456 said: Quote: In the NFL for awhile. Jones wasn’t good at in college. The arm strength isn’t an issue, it’s the ability to play the position. And he played for a really bad team. So no shot that had an effect, right? And incase you've been sleeping through the last year, we are building a team that wants to dominate time of possession. Jones excels at everything you want in the short and intermediate game. But hey, you bitched at me last week about how Gettelman doesn't like to invest in CB's so I guess I can learn a thing or two from you.

UCONN...just about any 4th round QB excels on those kind of throws in any draft, any year. You take a guy at #6 overall because he can do a lot more than throw a nice bubble screen or 7 yard slant.

You’re unbearable. There are actually stats that showed he had one of the worst OLs as far as pass blocking and his WRs dropped the 2nd most balls in all of college football.

Holy shit...

In comment 14409295 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14409232 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 14409211 ajr2456 said: Quote: In the NFL for awhile. Jones wasn’t good at in college. The arm strength isn’t an issue, it’s the ability to play the position. And he played for a really bad team. So no shot that had an effect, right? And incase you've been sleeping through the last year, we are building a team that wants to dominate time of possession. Jones excels at everything you want in the short and intermediate game. But hey, you bitched at me last week about how Gettelman doesn't like to invest in CB's so I guess I can learn a thing or two from you. One pick doesn’t buck a trend. Keep blaming Jones’ faults on his teammates, it really will be a smooth transition from Eli.

No, the trend was bucked when we traded for a Safety who can cover, then traded up for a top CB. Your analysis stinks, own it.

As for Jones, he's got work to do. His poor cast didn't help him, is this arguable? How about Evans helping Manziel look better, does it not work in reverse?

if all you get from watching jones is throwing screen passes, than forgive me for having to ignore your posts too. I get not liking the pick, but I can't take stuff like that seriously. He's got mobility, poise in the pocket, is a leader and will not buckle under pressure in NY. Ignore all that if you want, your choice.

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You’re unbearable. There are actually stats that showed he had one of the worst OLs as far as pass blocking and his WRs dropped the 2nd most balls in all of college football. Holy shit...

Time will tell. But keep trusting the front office.

they aren't baby sitting for me. They made a pick and now we see what happens. Grow a pair.

Because, IMO, I thought Josh Allen was a no-brainer at 6. That being said, I was pleased with the rest of the 1st round. We got a superstar in Lawrence (Watch) and the best CB in the draft. That makes our secondary outstanding (in theory) and possibly the best run stuffing defensive line in the NFL. Pass rush? That’s another story.

Wait and see on Jones. I’m hoping he’s a beast.