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Gettleman's legacy

it is amazing that he's barely been GM a year and a half and we already know the terms by which his legacy will be determined. On one side of the ledger, Daniel Jones, Saquon Barkley, Dexter Lawrence and Jabrill Peppers. And on the other Sam Darnold and Odell Beckham. Given how the Giants passed on Darnold, which delivered him to the Jets, the Jones/Darnold comparisons will be forever and inescapable in this town. If both turn out to be successful, winning NFL QBs, then Gettleman was a genius for getting SB too. But if Darnold succeeds and Jones does not, then no matter how great SB is, it will end up being a decision that the NY sports world will roast him for for a generation.

By the same token, if Peppers and Lawrence become all-pro anchors of a rebuilt winning Giant defense, then trading away Beckham even if he performs to his historic norms in Cleveland will be a smart building block move. But if Beckham succeeds in Cleveland, and Peppers and Lawrence end up nothing more than NFL regulars on an unspectacular D, all the changing the culture stuff will become a footnote. It will be seen as an unforgiveable franchise-altering trade that fans will talk about for decades.

I’ll simplify it for you:  
The_Boss : 8:38 am : link
If Jones turns out to be the mediocre, at best, QB the “experts” claim, DG’s probably fired.
RE: I’ll simplify it for you:  
Big Blue '56 : 8:40 am : link
In comment 14409445 The_Boss said:
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If Jones turns out to be the mediocre, at best, QB the “experts” claim, DG’s probably fired.


Who are the experts? bw? Greg? Terps? Others on here?
RE: I’ll simplify it for you:  
superspynyg : 8:43 am : link
In comment 14409445 The_Boss said:
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If Jones turns out to be the mediocre, at best, QB the “experts” claim, DG’s probably fired.


This is absolutely true. DG and Shurmur now tied to Jones play. Unfortunately it will take 3-4 years to find out.
RE: RE: I’ll simplify it for you:  
The_Boss : 8:46 am : link
In comment 14409454 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14409445 The_Boss said:


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If Jones turns out to be the mediocre, at best, QB the “experts” claim, DG’s probably fired.



Who are the experts? bw? Greg? Terps? Others on here?


Talent evaluators. Sy doesn’t like him if you reread his report on him. Media folk. I can’t speak for the posters you listed, but bw does possess a little knowledge about college players (aside from a lot of his bullshit). I’m not saying he’s right or wrong, but I’m not dismissing his POV.
I am (WAS) a fan of Gettleman  
nicky43 : 8:47 am : link
Not any more. NOTHING he did in this draft round 1 makes any sense to me. Sorry. I hate to be negative but I hate being dishonest even more.
Who the QB of the Giants is  
mittenedman : 8:47 am : link
....is a John Mara decision.

He told you that point blank after the Eli benching fiasco.
RE: RE: RE: I’ll simplify it for you:  
Big Blue '56 : 8:48 am : link
In comment 14409489 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14409454 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 14409445 The_Boss said:


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If Jones turns out to be the mediocre, at best, QB the “experts” claim, DG’s probably fired.



Who are the experts? bw? Greg? Terps? Others on here?



Talent evaluators. Sy doesn’t like him if you reread his report on him. Media folk. I can’t speak for the posters you listed, but bw does possess a little knowledge about college players (aside from a lot of his bullshit). I’m not saying he’s right or wrong, but I’m not dismissing his POV.


bw is arguably a fan, he only knows more than I do because I don’t watch college ball. Otherwise, it’s mostly TV analysis from him et al..
Pretty simple  
ZogZerg : 8:51 am : link
If Darnold is the goods and Jones doesn't pan out then DG F'd up.
DG  
I do not think his legacy is tied to Daniel Jones. Pat Shurmur, yes it his job and last chance to be a Head Coach. I think he will make it work.

In terms of Dave, well for many years now teams came into our Stadium and pushed us around. I have been a fan since the 80's and even in losing years the team was a tough out and you had to pay a price to win.

I think Dave, whether he brings a Championship or not, is going to build a team we can at least be proud of for their toughness.
RE: I am (WAS) a fan of Gettleman  
In comment 14409498 nicky43 said:
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Not any more. NOTHING he did in this draft round 1 makes any sense to me. Sorry. I hate to be negative but I hate being dishonest even more.


Agree 100%. They take Jones at #6 and then try to trade up to #8 for Allen? WTF. You only do that if you think the Jags are more likely to take Jones than Allen. No one in their right mind would ever think that. Ever. They completely had that reversed and it's insane how so-called "professionals" could miss something as simple as that. Pathetic.
RE: Who the QB of the Giants is  
In comment 14409502 mittenedman said:
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....is a John Mara decision.

He told you that point blank after the Eli benching fiasco.


I fucking hate John Mara with all of my soul.
ESPN just showed Jones  
Ike#88 : 9:17 am : link
playing last year against Clemson.He looked like Eli from the last 5 years trying to play against a NFL team with a winning record. In other words not good.
RE: RE: I’ll simplify it for you:  
Greg from LI : 9:33 am : link
In comment 14409454 Big Blue '56 said:
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Who are the experts? bw? Greg? Terps? Others on here?


Neither Sy nor Dave-Te were particularly high on Jones.
RE: I’ll simplify it for you:  
Mad Mike : 9:39 am : link
In comment 14409445 The_Boss said:
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If Jones turns out to be the mediocre, at best, QB the “experts” claim, DG’s probably fired.

If Eli's extended, by the time Jones even has a chance to establish himself as mediocre, or not, good chance Gettleman will probably already have retired.
RE: ESPN just showed Jones  
mittenedman : 10:29 am : link
In comment 14409677 Ike#88 said:
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playing last year against Clemson.He looked like Eli from the last 5 years trying to play against a NFL team with a winning record. In other words not good.


I guess Jones was single-handedly supposed to shred Clemson's D with the team he had right? The same Clemson D that destroyed Tua and Alabama?

What a seasoned evaluator might see is a QB who had no chance to move the football. None.

Fans will watch Haskins throwing 50 TDs on a stacked OSU team and of course think he's better than a guy taking a beating with an overmatched team every week. The real evaluators dig deeper.
RE: RE: RE: I’ll simplify it for you:  
ZogZerg : 10:44 am : link
In comment 14409805 Greg from LI said:
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Who are the experts? bw? Greg? Terps? Others on here?



Neither Sy nor Dave-Te were particularly high on Jones.


Sy had a FIRST round grade on him.
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