First off, I am not one for draft theater or histrionics, so don't mistake me as being negative about the pick.
I don't know these players and I'm a shitty NFL future player evaluator.
But universally, no one likes the Jones pick and I don't give a shit and next year or the year after people are not going to remember anyone's draft grade or bullshit like that. (one "expert" I read though the Lawrence pick was worse), and to be fair much of the commentary isn't negative about the the player, it's of the spot where he was picked (and the other team needs)
but what I'm trying to understand is has a pick this high, this universally panned at the time it was made, panned out and made the "experts" look foolish? This isn't second guessing by the critics, people who get paid to do this for a living were laughing when the pick was made.
I figure many of you are are more diehard draft-niks would know of some.
Exactly. You beat me to it.
Lets give this kid a chance. I am not thrilled with picking him at six but it is what it is. Jones deserves a chance to prove himself worthy.
All the morning sports shows hate this pick.
I haven't read any commentary that was positive about it (and again, it's not Jones the player that I see negative about, it's Jones at #6 with the ER's available)
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This is not true.
All the morning sports shows hate this pick.
But who are they?
Sorry did not finish my op.
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This is not true.
All the morning sports shows hate this pick.
There are more journalists than morning sports shows. Of course, yes, there is a majority opinion that it was a bad pick, or a reach, but its not universal.
This board was livid with how much we gave up to get him when we could have had Big Ben or Rivers for nothing
that's a good one.
They ran Casserly out of town for that pick. Williams wound up having a much better career than the other two.
That one didnt really work out for the Knicks but not for the reasons it was maligned for ironically
really? I like the Mario Williams example. I'm not old enough to remember Simms being drafted, but that was also an era where the draft was done on pencil and paper, so the negativity probably took longer to spread.
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This is not true.
I haven't read any commentary that was positive about it (and again, it's not Jones the player that I see negative about, it's Jones at #6 with the ER's available)
I havent had the stomach to look for media/public opinion of the pick. I know personally I was taking a lot of grief last night from buddies because they knew I was so anti-QB this year. Is it really that bad?
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really? I like the Mario Williams example. I'm not old enough to remember Simms being drafted, but that was also an era where the draft was done on pencil and paper, so the negativity probably took longer to spread.
the commissioner actually chuckled when he announced Simms. look at it on Youtube.
And the guy on NFL Network said he had the best pro day of any QB.
It's easy to pick on something and be negative.....that's our environment.
This decision was made based on 3 things: 1) talent around him at Duke wasn't good so they figure he'll be better with better talent around him (assumption)... 2) David Cutcliffe... 3) he had a nice workout in sweats with no defense in front of him. It was not made based on him being a great player in college with terrific production.
It was a foolish, terrible pick at #6 with Josh Allen on the board.
Im sure its as bad as you claim. What sickens me is this happens way too much.
We get mocked for not taking a QB last year.
We get mocked when DG (seemingly) gets poor value in his mid-season trades.
We get mocked when we trade Beckham and (seemingly) fail to get back fair value.
We get mocked for not trading Collins at the deadline.
We get mocked for bringing back Eli.
We get mocked for (seemingly) reaching for Jones.
This decision was made based on 3 things: 1) talent around him at Duke wasn't good so they figure he'll be better with better talent around him (assumption)... 2) David Cutcliffe... 3) he had a nice workout in sweats with no defense in front of him. It was not made based on him being a great player in college with terrific production.
It was a foolish, terrible pick at #6 with Josh Allen on the board.
In your non-professional, fan opinion.
him . A good possibility that Denver or someone else wanted
him . I wanted Josh Allen since the get go .I don't like Haskins at all just an opinion . Obviously Jones better turn
into a great QB or this will set us back to the stone age .
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Simms likely would have been more highly regarded with todays draft coverage. We would have heard and read all about the guy much earlier in the process.
Jones just doesn't have the ceiling of the other two. His physical attributes are generally thought of as average. Sy says his mental processing isn't there to compensate. He looked pretty pedestrian the average fan against weak competition in college. There isn't much to go off of in terms of hope other than hoping Gettleman saw something that few others did.
I disagree, and if the Giants believed in his talent, then go for it.
Giants ended up with three first round picks, that's exceptional. And they did improve the defense....you need corners and run stuffers.
I'm guessing management and coaches reckoned that Jones best fits this integration approach and their offensive system.
All that and he's fast, throws accurately, tough as nails and Ivy League smart. He impresses me as a guy who figures out ways to win.
All that said, we won't see how it works out for another year or two.
So we might as well chill out and see what shakes out on the remaining picks for defense and, Lord help us, the offensive line.
I'm guessing management and coaches reckoned that Jones best fits this integration approach and their offensive system.
All that and he's fast, throws accurately, tough as nails and Ivy League smart. He impresses me as a guy who figures out ways to win.
All that said, we won't see how it works out for another year or two.
So we might as well chill out and see what shakes out on the remaining picks for defense and, Lord help us, the offensive line.
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KC was actually a good team when they drafted and sat Mahomes.
Mahomes has more talent in the tip of his pecker than Jones does.
That shit changes real fast. What were people saying 2-3 years ago about the Browns?
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Giants. We're getting roasted. We've become a punch line.
That shit changes real fast. What were people saying 2-3 years ago about the Browns?
Big difference: they took a QB who planned out and actively accumulated talent. We are jettisoning our talent and picking a guy no one had ranked highly, except some unnamed NFL scouts. 👍
Phil & the Giants didn't have to deal w/social media in 1979!
I can't think of an example in the last 20 years where a QB was drafted surprisingly high and went on to justify the selection. Doesn't mean Jones won't.
Shock at taking Jones @ 6
Shock at foregoing Josh Allen
Shock at foregoing at a deal with Cards
Not true. MANY on BBI loved the pick. I HATED it. That was probably the pick I hated the most ever for a 1st round Giants pick.
He probably has no chance at this point. Usually a 1st round QB is allowed some growing room. Eli was HORRIBLE as rookie. Josh Rosen was Dan Marino last year compared to Eli's rookie year. Jones' honeymoon is over before it started.
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was great in college. Daniel Jones was good in college, he was never great. They're asking him to come in and be great. That just doesn't happen. Ever.
This decision was made based on 3 things: 1) talent around him at Duke wasn't good so they figure he'll be better with better talent around him (assumption)... 2) David Cutcliffe... 3) he had a nice workout in sweats with no defense in front of him. It was not made based on him being a great player in college with terrific production.
It was a foolish, terrible pick at #6 with Josh Allen on the board.
In your non-professional, fan opinion.
Maybe the last sentence is opinion, yes. But everything else in my post is factual. Name one QB who was simply "good" in college and came to the NFL and suddenly became GREAT. Has never happened. If it has it's extremely rare.
Its worth noting that the year Trubisky came out, FO ranked him as the second best QB after Mahomes. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2017/qbase-2017
Using the same statistical analysis, they rank Jones at the bottom of his class. But he's "mature."