From now until they both retire, these are the two QBs I will be comparing going forward.
The Giants could have had Josh Allen, Dexter Lawrence, DeAndre Baker, and Josh Rosen. Instead, they wind up with Daniel Jones, Lawrence, Baker, and NO pass rush. There's no way the Giants can convince me that Daniel Jones is going to be a far better NFL QB than Rosen will be. And at least if they traded for Rosen and he turned into a bust, they would have only given up a 3 this season and most likely a 2 next season. Whereas if Jones turns out to be a bust they wasted a top 10 pick. It's not rocket science...
So sick of hearing that handling BY nonsesnse.
No one in the NFL really wants Rosen it seems.
We needed to move on from Eli and I still think he is going to have a great year.
I am going to root like heck for this kid's success.
Speculation last night was Rosen could be had for a mid rounder this draft and a 2020 pick. It's possible the Giants could've gotten Rosen for their 3rd rounder this year, and 2nd rounder next year.
And BBI gets a collective boner over this loser. So weird.
What the hell does that mean. The guy is way more cosmopolitan and sophisticated than Jones.
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Most likely the attitude and ability to deal with everything that comes with NY.
What the hell does that mean. The guy is way more cosmopolitan and sophisticated than Jones.
Now you guys are just making shit up. Cosmopolitan? Hahaha
And BBI gets a collective boner over this loser. So weird.
This year the same thing has happened thus far. The Giants and Redskins both needed a QB and opted to take Jones and Haskins over what would likely be a cheap trade for Rosen.
We’ll see what happens today, but it is becoming more and more apparent that this guy just isn’t valued as highly as many value him on this board.
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was drafted as a franchise QB one year ago. The next year the organization hires a new coach with the knowledge that he will want his own QB. So after one year the organization is prepared to move on for another QB. Meanwhile they have tried to move Rosen for months. Rumors are now they are willing to accept even a 3rd rounder just to get rid of the franchise QB they drafted one year ago. Not only is it clear the Giants didnt want him, it doesn’t seem like anyone does.
And BBI gets a collective boner over this loser. So weird.
I find your obsession with him even weirder, since it's more normal to be obsessed with a player you want on the team. As for them trying to move him for months, that hasn't been their strategy. Word was they called no one and were waiting for calls to come to them. Gettleman was one who called, saying he could be interested in Rosen if things fell a certain way. Obviously they didn't fall that way, but to say the Giants had no interest is incorrect. Why don't you wait until it all plays out before calling him some unwanted loser? What the fuck did he ever do to you?
I’m obsessed? Um, okay. You may want to look up “projection”...
For me, it's 'Oliver vs Jones' with the prospect of a dl of:
Oliver(Lawrence or Wilk)Hill
Looking nasty in a good way for years
Or:
Hill(Lawrence)Tomlinson(Allen, j)
Which was the general jist of my off season rants broadly in a nutshell.
But, I get it. Whatever.
Personally, I thought he was the most polished QB in last year's class, but wanted no part of him due to his serious concussions and his shoulder. I did soften on that stance a bit knowing he was available, but I am not sold he would be the answer or any more of the answer than Jones.
I just don't think Jones is a slam dunk franchise guy that you select at #6. My preference would have been to draft an impact player like Allen at #6 and then wait it out. If it seems Jones will fall to #17, take him there. If not, you have options. You can trade up a spot or 2 for him, trade for Rosen, take Haskins (my least favorite of these options), still take Lawrence, etc.
Moving forward, I still think they got a decent QB, who could be better and two very good defensive players, so it is hard to complain overall.
Besides, the Giants didn't appear to like for whatever reason. Stick with comparing to Haskins/Darnold.
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Most likely the attitude and ability to deal with everything that comes with NY.
What the hell does that mean. The guy is way more cosmopolitan and sophisticated than Jones.
Now you guys are just making shit up. Cosmopolitan? Hahaha
I’m not the one making shit up. I’m still waiting for someone to tell me why Rosen isn’t a good fit for NY.
I was in the trade for Rosen camp, but clearly DG didn't like him.
And BBI gets a collective boner over this loser. So weird.
This isn't really accurate at all. Kingsbury wasn't hired to replace Rosen. Steve Keim said that after Kingsbury came to Arizona, Keim didn't even want to watch tape of Murray and didn't want to like him, but when he did watch tape, he saw too many "wow" plays. Whether that was a good move or not, i guess we'll find out, but that's what he said.
Also, reports this morning have come out that Keim only really started taking calls for Rosen when Arizona was on the clock, but he was demanding a first round pick for him, which the Dolphins, Redskins and Giants and others weren't willing to give up -- which is smart negotiating. They know the Cardinals are stuck and have to get rid of him at some point before the season begins. Gettleman apparently loved Jones, Washington loved Haskins, but Rosen will land somewhere else, just not for a first round pick because no team is going to (or should be) dumb enough to give up a first round pick for a player who everyone knows that Arizona has to get rid of.
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was drafted as a franchise QB one year ago. The next year the organization hires a new coach with the knowledge that he will want his own QB. So after one year the organization is prepared to move on for another QB. Meanwhile they have tried to move Rosen for months. Rumors are now they are willing to accept even a 3rd rounder just to get rid of the franchise QB they drafted one year ago. Not only is it clear the Giants didnt want him, it doesn’t seem like anyone does.
And BBI gets a collective boner over this loser. So weird.
This isn't really accurate at all. Kingsbury wasn't hired to replace Rosen. Steve Keim said that after Kingsbury came to Arizona, Keim didn't even want to watch tape of Murray and didn't want to like him, but when he did watch tape, he saw too many "wow" plays. Whether that was a good move or not, i guess we'll find out, but that's what he said.
Also, reports this morning have come out that Keim only really started taking calls for Rosen when Arizona was on the clock, but he was demanding a first round pick for him, which the Dolphins, Redskins and Giants and others weren't willing to give up -- which is smart negotiating. They know the Cardinals are stuck and have to get rid of him at some point before the season begins. Gettleman apparently loved Jones, Washington loved Haskins, but Rosen will land somewhere else, just not for a first round pick because no team is going to (or should be) dumb enough to give up a first round pick for a player who everyone knows that Arizona has to get rid of.
You honestly believe the Cards dod not start taking calls for him until they were on the clock last night? And that the GM didn't want to watch tape on one of the consensus top picks while holding the top pick? No offense man, but I think you're being a little naive. Everyone lies. The bottom line is that they took a QB with the #10 overall pick, gave up on him, and now are over a barrel because, as you rightly point out, they need to get rid of him.
Teams like Miami and Oakland have one eye on the 2020 supposed QB rich draft.
Also, Phoenix claim that they are not going to trade Rosen o n the cheap, so there may have been sides interested in Rosen, just not for the price that is being asked.
I can't believe the guy doesn't get another shot at starting. That would be a very harsh verdict on him.