I'm pysched about this draft

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I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this.

"Piss and moan"

People bitching about a shutdown corner, that the Giants had as their top choice are just clueless. CB was a huge hole on this team. You can argue it was as bad as Edge.

Of Jones like the other picks. Hopefully everyone but DG is wrong and he is great.

Only time will tell. I am very excited about the players we brought in via trade, FA's and the first round last night. We still have a few more moves to make which include tonight and tomorrow.

Enjoy the ride Giants fans...should be fun!

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Of Jones like the other picks. Hopefully everyone but DG is wrong and he is great.

Lots of people like Jones. In fact wasn't Denver, Cincy, and Wash going to grab him?

It's been lost on this board how thin we are at CB.

Jenkins played ok last year, but will play the bulk of next season at 31 and is starting to drop off. Beal hasn't played a snap in the NFL, Grant Haley is a slot only and the rest of depth chart looks more like a practice squad list.

Getting Baker at 30 was damn good value, may wind up being our best round 1 pick.

I really, really like the Lawrence and Baker picks though.

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I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this.

Yea, people who don�t like the moves must be rooting for them to fail.

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it too.

Ultimately it's going to be determined by Jones, but we can't make that call until probably 2021/2 at the earliest.

In the interim we add two immediate starters and solidify both the run and pass D.

In comment 14410078 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14410044 dep026 said: Quote: I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this. Yea, people who don�t like the moves must be rooting for them to fail.

Disliking is not what most have been doing. Hating, calling the front office incompetent or idiots is more what we have seen.

and he obviously is very coachable. Sy's report on Allen wasn't exactly glowing. The other two picks were excellent. I believe DG knows what he is doing.

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In comment 14410044 dep026 said: Quote: I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this. Yea, people who don�t like the moves must be rooting for them to fail.

Posters like yourself rather be right than wrong. Ill give the_boss credit for at least saying he woill take the heat if Jones turns out to be the right guy.

I've never been more disgusted with Giants fans than I am now. The reaction to Daniel Jones on Twitter is pathetic.

They are treating HIM like he is some sort of war criminal.

and this draft overhauls the defense in 1 nigh

Lawrence has been �my guy� for awhile, lucky he was there at 17 ... I just don�t understand how Allen gets passed at 6.

Baker/Beal; Peppers Bethea; Jenkins - Haley
Allen; Ogletree BJ; Carter
Hill; Lawrence; Tomlinson

That defense is potentially dominant. The secondary will be much improved this year at least.

I hope his handlers are keeping him away from all communication devices, it's not pretty.

Happy the Giants jumped in on a QB they believed in.

that the Giants have to have "CONVICTION" for their next QB. That they have to "LOVE" this guy. Well, the Giants show that for a QB and they get shit on for it. You can't make it up. Bottom line is they had to move on at QB and this will be a good situation with Eli playing in 2019 and Jones getting ready for 2020. I'm fine with it.

3 strong picks that fill big needs.
I was not a gettleman fan and I am still on the fence but he is checking off the boxes through the draft.

The order in how it happened is just different than expected. They added 2 defensive starters & got their QB.

In comment 14410105 Eric from BBI said:

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I've never been more disgusted with Giants fans than I am now. The reaction to Daniel Jones on Twitter is pathetic. They are treating HIM like he is some sort of war criminal.

In fairness, it's not just Giant fans who are like that, every fan is like that.

you have always been the voice of reason and I agree with your assessment 100%.

Take a step back and if you woke up yesterday and someone were to tell you that the Giants took thier #1 QB, #2 DT and #1 CB...we would all be thrilled.

I trust DG in the draft and hope he got this right.

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In comment 14410078 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14410044 dep026 said: Quote: I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this. Yea, people who don�t like the moves must be rooting for them to fail. Posters like yourself rather be right than wrong. Ill give the_boss credit for at least saying he woill take the heat if Jones turns out to be the right guy.

I�ll gladly eat crow if Jones is good. I�d be able to stop selling spare tickets below cost or to Cowboy fans.

I�d rather the Giants be good than be right, despite what you may think.

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and he obviously is very coachable. Sy's report on Allen wasn't exactly glowing. The other two picks were excellent. I believe DG knows what he is doing.

The only thing they have left to do is let the kid play. I'll more than happily defer to their scouting and evaluation, but their resource allocation and approach is what I find puzzling.

In a vacuum I don't mind the picks at all. When you add in the fact that they've already promise the starting job for AT LEAST 2019 to a $20M player, I like it a whole lot less.

The Aaron Rodgers / Favre stuff doesn't hold any water for me. He was taken at 24 (which tells you a lot not only about the level of investment, but the state of the team). And by most accounts, Favre didn't invest a shred of interest in Rodgers' development. Rodgers became great of his own talents and efforts. The process by which GB handled it is a footnote.

The Giants passed on Rosen and Haskins for Jones. If he was the guy...then I have no issue with taking him at #6. It is not worth the risk losing him trying to get cute.

It's not all about pure QB ability either. Intangibles like toughness and the ability to survive the NY media were major reasons for Eli's success in NY. Ben Roethlisberger has better skills that Eli...but he would have collapsed in NY's glare. The Giants are done with me first players.

The Giants will be able to stop the run and defend the pass. Hopefully they will scheme a pass rush.

will tell, a whole lot of time according Gettleman, but at least speaking for myself, sometimes I look to the short term, and I'm looking at opening night in Dallas, and how there could have been a strong possibility we go into that game with 3 impact defensive players, or 2 with a better solution at offensive tackle. Maybe that's a lot of faith to put into rookies, but sometimes it's hard to look past the short term.

saw a guy at a table near me order the Kalamari but the portion looked small.

I ordered a Rib Eye medium rare, but my waiter delivered an overcooked hamburger instead. I asked him WTF?

He then brought me a double thick pork chop which looked great, but I told him I really wanted that Rib Eye!

He ended up comping me a lovely Baked Alaska for dessert...

But it still didn't make up for the miss on the Rib Eye.

3 first round picks! I went to bed after digesting 17 so I missed the end of the first round.

I accept that Jones was the QB they wanted and that he would not have lasted to 17. NFL teams liked him better than the media and the public.

Happy with Lawrence pick. CB is a great need and they got one of the best in this draft. Wish they had gotten an Edge rusher. I would have been very happy with Josh Allen. DG said that Jones and Allen were on the same row of the draft chart. Given that and the QB need it looks better today than last night.

Well said Eric.

Where is Beals in terms of rehab? Is he slated to start? 3rd CB? If it is either of those 2, a weakness turned into a strength last night.

saw a guy at a table near me order the Kalamari but the portion looked small.

I ordered a Rib Eye medium rare, but my waiter delivered an overcooked hamburger instead. I asked him WTF?

He then brought me a double thick pork chop which looked great, but I told him I really wanted that Rib Eye!

He ended up comping me a lovely Baked Alaska for dessert...

But it still didn't make up for the miss on the Rib Eye.

I guess a lot of folks would have been happy with the pork chop and Baked Alaska.

In comment 14410105 Eric from BBI said:

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I've never been more disgusted with Giants fans than I am now. The reaction to Daniel Jones on Twitter is pathetic. They are treating HIM like he is some sort of war criminal.

It is unfortunate Eric but in the time of social media and mob mentality people do not think for themselves any more. Couple that with the fact that we haven't won in a few seasons and you get a whole lot of "dumb"

Anyone destroying or celebrating this pick is really off base. The draft is like pulling the arm on a slot machine. I am going to sit here rooting for the jackpot.

Excited about all 3 first round picks. Seeing the reactions all across social media from "Giant Fans" has actually got me embarrassed.

As for #1, I have no issue with the "conviction" pick at #6, or with passing on Josh Allen. But if they are so high on Daniel Jones, why is there still a $17MM QB on the roster?

Maybe I�m naive, but I don�t see a reason to doubt DG yet. Last years draft was the best we have had in years. Filling DT and CB was as important as DE/LB and they apparently thought Jones was a franchise QB. It is a great situation to have a guy learn for a year under Eli.

McShay is tearing him apart.

The Haskin vs Jones...I hope turns into a longterm debate

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problem with last nights draft isn't necessarily the draft picks themselves - it was the painful realization that even with 3 first round draft picks they have about a six MAJOR needs left unfulfilled. I have never been the overly optimistic type to look at the roster with blinders, but my god are there gaping holes on this team. I know they needed a CB in the worst way, but you could say 12 draft picks would never have made this team, I think they could have had 20 draft picks over these three days and still need more. I hate more the feeling this morning that with all that draft capital coming into the draft anything was possible and now you wake up and with no 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick that's last in its round and only additional end of round picks in the 5th and 7th that my dream of picking off all the falling talent on the 2nd and 3rd day of the draft is pretty much gone.

for Daniel Jones is that he is supposedly mentally tough. That seems like one of the high order bits in play of why the Giants ranked him #1.

Honestly, this probably works out for the best. No one is expecting him to start this year, there is no QB controversy waiting in the wings, Eli has been given the starting role and Jones the student role.

Even if the Giants have a rough start, I don't think anyone will be calling for us to throw Jones to the wolves. He will have an opportunity to learn and improve and then shut us all up.

And your hated Redskins did very well. One could argue better then us with alot less

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And your hated Redskins did very well. One could argue better then us with alot less

One could argue they did worse. But yeah, they did well.
We'll see.

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As for #1, I have no issue with the "conviction" pick at #6, or with passing on Josh Allen. But if they are so high on Daniel Jones, why is there still a $17MM QB on the roster?

That's my one qualm with this whole thing.

Three first round picks is great, but you can't fill all needs in one draft.

I'm a Daniel Jones fan now. Daniel Jeremiah said his pro day was nearly flawless. Matt Lombardo was "blown away" by his arm strength. Jenny Ventras says the pros valued him much more than the sports media. And Bob Pappa and others think the Broncos would have taken him at 10.

Two first round picks for defense will help a lot but we still need to hit on a couple other picks.

I have a feeling yesterday is going to be a gold mine to dig back into the archives on in a few years...

Even if you don�t like Jones (I�m warming up to him), we still got two excellent defensive prospects. That�s a win.

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I have a feeling yesterday is going to be a gold mine to dig back into the archives on in a few years...

I do too, but for completely opposite reasons

In comment 14410105 Eric from BBI said:

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I've never been more disgusted with Giants fans than I am now. The reaction to Daniel Jones on Twitter is pathetic. They are treating HIM like he is some sort of war criminal.

And I agree with you - I actually feel bad for Jones.

Some of these fans are really fucking shitty.

Don't like him? That's fine - at least give him a chance before cursing him out and treating him like he ruined the entire franchise before taking one snap.

It's pathetic.

At the Giants if you don�t like the pick but leave the kid alone. I hate social media.

all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting.

Are the popular team to meme and mock at this point, so it�s mostly just piling on. If the picks work out, and the Giants start winning that chatter will die down fast.

sure if we chose Allen, we would be being crushed for letting another first round pass without choosing a QB.

much echoes my thoughts. My incredibly uneducated opinion doesn't think Jones is a good pick but he's obviously the guy the brass wants. They also put a lot of work into scouting the other options and showed conviction by taking their guy as soon as they could. He wasn't the second or third choice who just happened to be there.

You can't argue with the other two picks. Two stud prospects, one at a position of great need.

three first round picks, and two are immediate starters on defense and potential franchise QB! The team has gotten better, and there�s still more to go. I wouldn�t be shocked to see another trade up into the 3rd round, maybe even 2nd round.

Whether he's with the pick will play out down the road, but Haskins and Lock stink. Haskins going to Washington was a nice bonus.

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for Daniel Jones is that he is supposedly mentally tough. That seems like one of the high order bits in play of why the Giants ranked him #1. Honestly, this probably works out for the best. No one is expecting him to start this year, there is no QB controversy waiting in the wings, Eli has been given the starting role and Jones the student role. Even if the Giants have a rough start, I don't think anyone will be calling for us to throw Jones to the wolves. He will have an opportunity to learn and improve and then shut us all up.

When Eli throws a preseason INT and Jones has a nice scramble later in the same game, the frenzy will start

Every mishap Eli has is ripped to shreds, that�s only going to be magnified with a top 10 pick who can actually run

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all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting.

So no one is allowed to do anything but shill for every move the team makes. Got it.

so the fact they really liked Jones doesn't mean much to me. i don't know what fans on social media are saying to or about Jones, and I won't defend that, but this idea that as fans we're simply supposed to drink the kool-aid and be happy with what the team did strikes me as strange. absent taking a rb or a safety, they had needs at every position, so you could have justified pretty much anyone they chose as filling a need.

to me, the bigger issue is that it sure seems like the league is moving forward in one direction and the Giants are moving backward in another. and I'm not particularly convinced of Gettleman's cleverness - i think his public arrogance is actually a bad sign, not a good one. this site was full of people yesterday ridiculing the Redskins and Snyder and predicting we were using Jones to play them into moving up. today it's reported that part of the reason we grabbed Jones at 6 is because we were afraid the Redskins were going to grab him.

the giants may be proven right - we'll find out on the field - and hopefully sooner rather than later. but to me, this feels a lot more like the Jags reaching to draft Blake Bortles 3rd overall (i'm sure they had conviction too), than the Eagles drafting Carson Wentz

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Whether he's with the pick will play out down the road, but Haskins and Lock stink. Haskins going to Washington was a nice bonus.

I instantly felt better when WAS took him. He is beyond overrated. Glad Snyder continues to bury that franchise

In comment 14410521 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14410423 dep026 said: Quote: all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting. So no one is allowed to do anything but shill for every move the team makes. Got it.

There's definitely an element of that here, I agree with you. It's aggravating. I've been saying for a while - the Giants could draft an inanimate carbon rod and there would be posters calling it a great pick.

In comment 14410521 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14410423 dep026 said: Quote: all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting. So no one is allowed to do anything but shill for every move the team makes. Got it.

Yea, not sure how saying they�re dumb or don�t know what they�re doing is disgusting. Nobody is saying they hope Gettleman gets hit by a bus or something.

In comment 14410521 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14410423 dep026 said: Quote: all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting. So no one is allowed to do anything but shill for every move the team makes. Got it.

No, but acting like a baby at every move makes my statement truer by the day.

Look, my distaste for Gettleman is an open book, but despite that I praised his other two picks from last night. Hell, I thought moving up to grab Baker was downright inspired. I'm very happy with two-thirds of the first round, but that other one-third is tough to stomach when it was the pick that had the most potential impact.

There's a huge, huge difference between saying "I don't like the pick, I'd have gone in a different direction" and fans going all Josh in the City and acting like unhinged lunatics who throw tantrums for weeks and months since they didn't get their way.

I sure as hell didn't get my way last night. I have two options now; I can let it play out and let Jones prove me wrong, which I sincerely hope he does, or I can go on Twitter, mock him, curse at him, argue with more strangers, make absurd claims like "he'd be a day 3 pick if we didn't reach!!!!" - and I just don't see the point in the latter.

No one has to like everything the Giants do. Not like they've earned a ton of goodwill lately. Fans are angry, I get it. But it's not that difficult to express displeasure without turning into a teenager.

Some of the posts I read last night were embarrassing.

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Look, my distaste for Gettleman is an open book, but despite that I praised his other two picks from last night. Hell, I thought moving up to grab Baker was downright inspired. I'm very happy with two-thirds of the first round, but that other one-third is tough to stomach when it was the pick that had the most potential impact.

But the fact is we dont know if Jones is going to stink or be good. Hell, he may be the best pick of the 3. He maybe the 2nd best. Hell, he could even be the best pick in the draft. Its fine to have an opinion.

but the constant negativity and saying a QB/player can/cant do something is nauseating at this point.

has something wrong with them

In comment 14410537 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14410521 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 14410423 dep026 said: Quote: all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting. So no one is allowed to do anything but shill for every move the team makes. Got it. Yea, not sure how saying they�re dumb or don�t know what they�re doing is disgusting. Nobody is saying they hope Gettleman gets hit by a bus or something.

People on social media are literally saying things like "I hope Gettleman gets AIDS"

It's pathetic.

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has something wrong with them

I guess I have something wrong with me.

I've never tweeted anything in my life - but it's a good resource for news and other stuff if you follow the right people.

I don't even look at it much, but I do have it and don't think there's anything wrong with utilizing it for that reason.

It always sucks, in every context and in every situation. Why would you even pay attention to that? It's like YouTube comment sections. You know what you're going to get so why even read them?

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I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this.

Its mind boggling. Can't stand it. I've got a big group chat with 11 other friends and we all root for different teams. Some are a bit more critical on things than others but all just enjoy the process and hope their teams improve. I can't for the life of me figure out why so many on this board go to such great lengths to hate everything.

DG and PS put their respective careers on the line to pick this guy. There is no fan, scout, analyst, etc who have more to lose if they screwed this up. I'm still cheering for the team either way.

I love the Lawrence pick, it just made running up the middle on us virtually impossible.

They got their #1 CB who has a reputation for being an outstanding press corner.

Not bad for the first round.

We still have our 4th round pick. They need to find a way to trade back into the 50-70 range using their 5th, 6th, and a 7th.

Anyone who uses it for anything other than finding news from established sources is wasting their time. Reading what @BadAZZ6969 has to say about anything, which is where your "Hope Gettleman dies" comments come from, is pointless.

I don't use most social media. I don't have Facebook.

I literally check Twitter once in a while for news on teams I root for.

I guess that means something's wrong with me, though. I'll call my doctor later and see what they say.

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It always sucks, in every context and in every situation. Why would you even pay attention to that? It's like YouTube comment sections. You know what you're going to get so why even read them?

A great example of what a completely closed mind looks like.

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DG and PS put their respective careers on the line to pick this guy.

Let's be honest here, regardless of what Jones is, Gettleman is going to be puttering around Del Boca Vista in a miniature Cadillac golf cart in three years or so anyway.

In comment 14410595 Greg from LI said:

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Anyone who uses it for anything other than finding news from established sources is wasting their time. Reading what @BadAZZ6969 has to say about anything, which is where your "Hope Gettleman dies" comments come from, is pointless.

But the problem is there are a shit ton of fans who are like this and thats why people like me say fans are terrible. It may not be you or your friends.... but social media is dominating sports now. And the majortiy of them dont know dick but feed into what ESPn, NFL network and other news outlets wants from viewers.

Gettleman is doing it his way. He will be either a hero or a fool. But that's his job. As a fan, I'm going to root for the team. No sense in "killing" Jones personally.

Most older fans remember Phil Simms and draft day, with social media today its way worse. ESPN thi morning was disgraceful on how they treated the dialogue as well.

Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year??

Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen).

Let's root like hell for the kid

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As for #1, I have no issue with the "conviction" pick at #6, or with passing on Josh Allen. But if they are so high on Daniel Jones, why is there still a $17MM QB on the roster?

What is so hard to understand about this? He won't be the first (or last) rookie QB to sit and learn behind a vet. And I'm pretty sure benefit from it.

Is also good for networking if you do it right

I'm just concerned with the lack of pass rush and the number of picks until their next pick

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When Eli throws a preseason INT and Jones has a nice scramble later in the same game, the frenzy will start Every mishap Eli has is ripped to shreds, that�s only going to be magnified with a top 10 pick who can actually run

Agree with you about Eli getting ripped to shreds for the littlest things.

My take on Jones is that 99% of folks think he was a reach, has a lot of learning to do, is not ready and is going to sit for 3 years - I really don't think anyone is going to be clamoring for him this year. I think it would have been 100% different with Haskins or Rosen.

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Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid

Fans can't have it both ways.

Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!"

Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!"

I was not in love with Jones as a prospect and would not have taken him that high. I hope I am wrong but I fear a misfire here or a guy who may play capably average but not be able to push us into contention.

But if there fans who don�t root for this guy now, whether it�s because of their opinion, dislike of Gettleman or other reasons, they can�t be considered real Giants fans who love their team.

I LOVE Dexter Lawrence and love that he is now on my team. I like you, love big DTs.

Baker is a legit starting corner.

There is more work to be done. OL needs a RT and needs interior and tackle depth still and Edge and S are issues. I think WR can wait until next year.

a play break down and a NYG QB actually make a nice throw on the run. These plays have been dead plays for 20 years now (Simms/Eli). No running, just make an accurate throw.

This is the one positive QB trait that I constantly see in his video.

If Allen were the pick at six would love next two picks as we would have a defense that could get off the field on third down. Picking Jones works against that. How many games did we lose last year late because QB carves us up on final drive because we have NO pressure ? The only pressure came from Vernon who is gone now.

Jones will be sitting there with clipboard and opposing QB will be sitting in pocket picking us apart.

Not pysched.

where they have a strong conviction in them, it's a promising start.

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In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!"

Except that�s not what�s being said.

People are upset about the QB that they took, not that they took a QB. There�s a big difference

there were only 2 possible outcomes. Either

Jones and Allen (with a little luck)

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Jones, Lawrence, Baker

Time will tell how good Allen pans out to be (compared to Lawrence and baker).

You fuckers.

but I can't argue with taking the top QB they had on their board, the third best DT in the draft and the top CB they had on their board.

I'd love to know if we were ever in serious discussion for Rosen. My gut tells me they weren't enamored with his makeup and potential fit on the roster.

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In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said: Quote: In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!" Except that�s not what�s being said. People are upset about the QB that they took, not that they took a QB. There�s a big difference

Really. You are completely wrong with this. Folks wanted an Edge rusher not a QB.
You just keep the BS flowing.

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As for #1, I have no issue with the "conviction" pick at #6, or with passing on Josh Allen. But if they are so high on Daniel Jones, why is there still a $17MM QB on the roster?

Maybe they feel Jones' long term development is best served by sitting and learning from Eli or not immediately being thrown to the wolves? Or maybe they think they can have a successful season this year with Eli and then transition to JOnes off a successful year? Or maybe they weren't sure how the draft would play out and someone would jump ahead and grab Jones? Lots of possibilities

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In comment 14410909 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said: Quote: In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!" Except that�s not what�s being said. People are upset about the QB that they took, not that they took a QB. There�s a big difference Really. You are completely wrong with this. Folks wanted an Edge rusher not a QB. You just keep the BS flowing.

What are you even saying? Neither post mentioned where the QB was taken.

Eric was questioning people who wanted a QB being upset they took a QB when the case is people are upset about who the QB is not that they took one.

The conversation had nothing to do with Edge rusher vs QB it specifically about people wanting a QB and being mad. Reading comprehension isn�t hard.

got to the point where I was having a hard time rooting for the team we were putting on the field.... it almost felt anti-Giant and everything about that team was draining as a fan.

I actually feel like we have a team that I am excited to root for again. We may end up being average, but hey, I feel we are moving in the right direction and will root for these guys!

In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!"

Really? Since when? LOts of fans love talking out of both sides of their mouths. IDK, living down here in DC and seeing Redskins fans mostly gooble up the team's propaganda always used to drive me nuts. But why do we have to be the complete opposite? Many Giants fans and the media in NY just love to bitch about everything. How many times have we won and there is complaining that it was an unimpressive win or some negative spin? And I'm finding that equally frustrating. Why can't we strike a happy medium?

is receiving some 'trial by fire' as it relates to the NY media.... I guess this will be a good test to see if he can handle all the critics and assholes.

Gettleman has a good track record picking defense and those two players will be good to great barring injuries. I'd be psyched if Jones proved he could play right away, which is hard to determine

& probably posted some stuff that in hindsight-and sober thinking-I regret. I hope Jones proves me wrong. I really do. No animus towards the kid, but the people who selected him.

In comment 14411091 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14411082 ZogZerg said: Quote: In comment 14410909 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said: Quote: In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!" Except that�s not what�s being said. People are upset about the QB that they took, not that they took a QB. There�s a big difference Really. You are completely wrong with this. Folks wanted an Edge rusher not a QB. You just keep the BS flowing. What are you even saying? Neither post mentioned where the QB was taken. Eric was questioning people who wanted a QB being upset they took a QB when the case is people are upset about who the QB is not that they took one. The conversation had nothing to do with Edge rusher vs QB it specifically about people wanting a QB and being mad. Reading comprehension isn�t hard.

Apparently it is very hard for you. People wanted Allen at 6. Whether Giants went Haskins or Jones you would all crying today. It has everything to do with Edge vs QB.

Nobody who wanted a QB is mad because they took a QB, they�re mad because of the QB it was.

Eric is following the thinking that people wanted any QB no matter what, and shouldn�t be mad because they got what they wanted.

QB vs Edge is an entirely different conversation .

In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said:

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Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!"

Except, why does it have to be this QB?

In comment 14411184 ajr2456 said:

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Nobody who wanted a QB is mad because they took a QB, they�re mad because of the QB it was. Eric is following the thinking that people wanted any QB no matter what, and shouldn�t be mad because they got what they wanted. QB vs Edge is an entirely different conversation .

This is BS. I hate to be a revisionist.... but there were many, many posters all during last season he clamored for a mobile QB. They clamored from a compelte break from Eli. They clamored for a new start. You were most definitely one of them. How many god damn times have we heard that DG has "no plan at QB".

I argued for months that it wasnt worth doing in this draft. I was called an eli-love, an eli-apologist, i was mocked by everyone on this board who wanted a new QB that I disliked all the possible replacements. It got to the point where I stopped saying it because posters like you and many many many more wanted change.

Now we drafted a mobile QB. Now that we have a succession plan. Now that we are moving on - now its "not the QB we wanted". Bullshit.

You were most definitely one of those posters. To say you werent is just a flat out lie. You got what you wanted - a mobile, new QB to start new from. Enjoy.

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In comment 14411184 ajr2456 said: Quote: Nobody who wanted a QB is mad because they took a QB, they�re mad because of the QB it was. Eric is following the thinking that people wanted any QB no matter what, and shouldn�t be mad because they got what they wanted. QB vs Edge is an entirely different conversation . This is BS. I hate to be a revisionist.... but there were many, many posters all during last season he clamored for a mobile QB. They clamored from a compelte break from Eli. They clamored for a new start. You were most definitely one of them. How many god damn times have we heard that DG has "no plan at QB". I argued for months that it wasnt worth doing in this draft. I was called an eli-love, an eli-apologist, i was mocked by everyone on this board who wanted a new QB that I disliked all the possible replacements. It got to the point where I stopped saying it because posters like you and many many many more wanted change. Now we drafted a mobile QB. Now that we have a succession plan. Now that we are moving on - now its "not the QB we wanted". Bullshit. You were most definitely one of those posters. To say you werent is just a flat out lie. You got what you wanted - a mobile, new QB to start new from. Enjoy.

Yes I wanted a new QB, but I didn�t want Jones. I wanted Haskins or Lock or even Grier. I also would have been fine taking no QB if it meant Jones was the one.

Why is that opinion not allowed? Why is this �you guys got what you wanted deal with it� rhetoric you created the only way people who wanted to find a new QB are allowed to think?

Who wanted a LT not Flowers not allowed to criticize the Flowers pick?

So anyone who was hoping for a transition at QB is compelled to praise Daniel fucking Jones?

In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said:

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Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!"

Says who? The BBI Mainstream?

Give me a fucking break. It's not about the fact we drafted a QB; it's about who we drafted.

This constant hammering by the BBI Mainstream that everyone needs to fall in line with Jints Central now that the die is cast - because they are these brilliant football "experts" - is a bit insulting...

you were spouting all year to change the QB irregardless of who it was. You can backtrack now because it's what posters do. But a few of us know the truth and remember your babblings all season.

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So anyone who was hoping for a transition at QB is compelled to praise Daniel fucking Jones?

Oh, I forgot he is automatically gonna fail in the NFL. I mean can he throw one INT before BBI says he sucks?

In comment 14411248 dep026 said:

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you were spouting all year to change the QB irregardless of who it was. You can backtrack now because it's what posters do. But a few of us know the truth and remember your babblings all season.

See that�s where your comprehension is off.

Thinking they should release Eli and sign a cheap vet while they work on getting their next QB is not the same as wanting any QB no matter who it was.

But keep doing you.

that makes a lot of sense. The most vocal opponent in BBI of taking a QB in this draft is now rooting for Jones to succeed and not proceeding to say he sucks before he attempts his first pass in practice.

We should be more like you.

for 15 years?

Who was your QB then?

You guys bitch about the QB situation. The Giants addressed it. You don't like the guy, but they do.

In comment 14411268 Greg from LI said:

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for 15 years?

Or throw an INt before we say he sucks?

In comment 14411269 Eric from BBI said:

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Who was your QB then? You guys bitch about the QB situation. The Giants addressed it. You don't like the guy, but they do.

They had no plan of succession. They rather just gripe or complain about management. Its obvious at this point.

I apologize for coming at you a bit earlier. I have no problem vehemently disagreeing, but I should do better than to engage in the chippy stuff.

I think people still have the right to be frustrated that they like a QB enough to take him at #6, but aren't prepared to put him on the field.

They actually haven't "moved on" at all at this point.

I think a lot of people, like me, who wanted them to move on from Eli (some of us for a couple of seasons running) feel like we were essentially asked (not really asked) to buy in one more time on the 'we aren't far away' and 'Eli can still play' and 'they want to win in 2019' thing...

As the draft approached, I started to feel like 'hey, I've said my peace about why I think the overall approach is wrong. If they say they can win now, let's lean into the draft and win now'.

And then this.

Does it not feel like they're really trying to shoot the moon on a few different priorities at once? (Eli legacy / Winning Now / QB of the Future)

Is it really crazy to feel that they shouldn't have promised somebody the starting gig and then used #6 to draft a QB?

Is there really no merit to wanting the QB you draft at #6 overall on the field right away? Or damn soon?

I feel like everyone who isn't happy with the pick is being grouped into a "BBI" collective that is assumed to be unreasoned and off-base.

I don't begrudge any of the many fans who choose to quickly get behind whatever course the team takes. I totally understand how that might be a more enjoyable way to carry on mentally. That isn't interesting or fun to me personally, but to each their own. But the lashing out at those who don't conform to the same way of thinking seems unfair. Why is agreeing with what the team did assumed to be the higher ground in discussion?

BBI: "We need a QB! Now!!! Giants' management is clinging to Eli! They are living in the past!!!!"

BBI Group #1: "I hate Haskins".

BBI Group #2: "I hate Jones."

BBI Group #3: "I hate Rosen."


Do you guys even hear yourselves sometimes?

really at all.

From what I read

the CB sounds decent.

the QB is a joke

and the NT may play two downs, but even if he plays 3, he potentially obscures the utility of one or both of BJ Hill and Dalvin Tomlinson, so puts to question the roster construction of an NFL team in an ever growing pass-first league.

In comment 14410909 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said: Quote: In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!" Except that�s not what�s being said. People are upset about the QB that they took, not that they took a QB. There�s a big difference

And this is where I differ, and where you lose me. If I want the team to take a QB fine. I also likely have my opinions, again fine. However when there are 3 QB's there to choose from, and the GM picks a different guy than I would have (but still a legitimate choice), I say ok. Its his job, he is the expert, and we finally got a QB. I don't throw a temper tantrum, start calling the GM names, and wishing him to die on the internet.

Some people like Jones, some don't. Some like Haskins and some don't. Obviously the Giants weren't the only ones who liked Jones first, Denver and possibly Cincy were waiting for him too.

They took a QB, they made their decision that Jones has the best chance to be a franchise guy. After seeing limited amounts of all 3, who am I to really judge.

I am not lashing out for not wanting Jones. Hell in my thread, I said I rather Allen over Jones as well. But please keep two things in mind:

1. We heard all off season and offseason that we needed a mobile QB. We got one.
2. Too many posters are saying Jones sucks or wont be good.

He has never passed a ball in practice yet and people are making the proclamation. Its absurd. And just because its not the QB " they" wanted doesnt make it the wrong pick. You cant claim to want something and then when you get it - claim its not good enough.

Again, people are already saying that the value wasnt there there for him to be picked? I just think its still to make statements like this because he can up being the steal of the draft by the time his career is done.

In comment 14411288 Eric from BBI said:

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BBI: "We need a QB! Now!!! Giants' management is clinging to Eli! They are living in the past!!!!" BBI Group #1: "I hate Haskins". BBI Group #2: "I hate Jones." BBI Group #3: "I hate Rosen." Do you guys even hear yourselves sometimes?

Man... what a fun forum this would be if we just said �great job Dave!� God forbid, we the people, don�t agree with an average QB (in college) being picked with a premium pick. The horror.

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really at all. From what I read the CB sounds decent. the QB is a joke and the NT may play two downs, but even if he plays 3, he potentially obscures the utility of one or both of BJ Hill and Dalvin Tomlinson, so puts to question the roster construction of an NFL team in an ever growing pass-first league.

Our run defense was putrid last year. Tomlinson, Hill, and Lawerence are a stud line. Philly would use them. (And note how they've kicked our ass on the line for years).

No one in this draft, and it's what I've been saying. Never was particularly impressed with Haskins, Lock is too much of a risk @ 6. Next year has a much more impressive group of QBs to choose from.

Gettleman snowballed us all last year with his blathering about how he wouldn't force a QB pick just to get a new QB.....and then he did exactly that this year with an excellent pass rusher sitting right there, waiting to fill a role the Giants are desperately lacking in.

No one is saying you can't criticize. I criticize the Giants all of the time. And I get slammed for doing so.

But you guys are not thinking logically. You seem to want to both draft Eli's replacement and the stud at #6. The Giants didn't think that was an option. They felt Denver or Washington (with a trade) would have nabbed Jones.

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No one in this draft, and it's what I've been saying. Never was particularly impressed with Haskins, Lock is too much of a risk @ 6. Next year has a much more impressive group of QBs to choose from. Gettleman snowballed us all last year with his blathering about how he wouldn't force a QB pick just to get a new QB.....and then he did exactly that this year with an excellent pass rusher sitting right there, waiting to fill a role the Giants are desperately lacking in.

So you would have stuck with Eli, Tanney, and Lauletta? At least you're being honest about it.

But that's not what the bulk of fans were demanding.

the majority of people would have preferred we just take Allen at that pick.

The majority also think that Daniel Jones was the wrong pick; however, they also think that if they had conviction on Jones being the guy it was the right move.

My opinion, is the data shows that Daniel Jones was going to be the least likely QB to succeed simply off of the ceiling that his NCAA numbers present (Yes they do not account for a terrible O-line or Drop passes), but they are a fairly accurate predictor of success.

This was a total gut over the data decision, and it's ultimately a very boom or bust pick. I'm hoping its a boom, but the data shows it's not likely.

I would have preferred to just wait out another year for better QB prospects in 2020 and or 2021 drafts. Build a better all around team that was in need of a QB, instead of a mixture of both.

In comment 14411288 Eric from BBI said:

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BBI: "We need a QB! Now!!! Giants' management is clinging to Eli! They are living in the past!!!!" BBI Group #1: "I hate Haskins". BBI Group #2: "I hate Jones." BBI Group #3: "I hate Rosen." Do you guys even hear yourselves sometimes?

You�re posting this like a whole board is supposed to have one opinion.

It�s reasonable to have wanted a qb and not wanted Jones

In comment 14411298 dep026 said:

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I am not lashing out for not wanting Jones. Hell in my thread, I said I rather Allen over Jones as well. But please keep two things in mind: 1. We heard all off season and offseason that we needed a mobile QB. We got one. 2. Too many posters are saying Jones sucks or wont be good. He has never passed a ball in practice yet and people are making the proclamation. Its absurd. And just because its not the QB " they" wanted doesnt make it the wrong pick. You cant claim to want something and then when you get it - claim its not good enough. Again, people are already saying that the value wasnt there there for him to be picked? I just think its still to make statements like this because he can up being the steal of the draft by the time his career is done.

I don't see why it would be wrong to want a QB and not like the one they pick. People have opinions (some informed, some not at all)

I'll certainly agree that some of the reactions are over-the-top, as they always are.

And I'm guessing that some of the posts bashing the player, if were to really get to the bottom of it, belie what is actually dissatisfaction with the plan in its entirety.

I will say I'm absolutely pumped about the athleticism/mobility aspect. Now I want to see it play.

In comment 14411312 Greg from LI said:

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No one in this draft, and it's what I've been saying. Never was particularly impressed with Haskins, Lock is too much of a risk @ 6. Next year has a much more impressive group of QBs to choose from. Gettleman snowballed us all last year with his blathering about how he wouldn't force a QB pick just to get a new QB.....and then he did exactly that this year with an excellent pass rusher sitting right there, waiting to fill a role the Giants are desperately lacking in.

I'm with you Greg.

In comment 14411304 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 14411294 pjcas18 said: Quote: really at all. From what I read the CB sounds decent. the QB is a joke and the NT may play two downs, but even if he plays 3, he potentially obscures the utility of one or both of BJ Hill and Dalvin Tomlinson, so puts to question the roster construction of an NFL team in an ever growing pass-first league. Our run defense was putrid last year. Tomlinson, Hill, and Lawerence are a stud line. Philly would use them. (And note how they've kicked our ass on the line for years).

I'm not an x and o's football guy - no issue admitting that, but what happens if a team puts out a formation (even like 11 personnel the Giants used so much under McAdoo) and instead of running they pass from that formation - on 1st and/or 2nd down with those three (Hill, Tomlinson and Lawence) on the field?

Are those 3 and Carter or Ogletree or Martin or whatever other LB's are on the field going to generate enough pass rush?

I get those three can shut down the run, and Snacks was kind of a mirage (more reputation than results it seemed), but what happens with those three on the field and teams pass the ball?

Won't the QB have all day to get to someone downfield or if not, find the mismatch with a TE or RB?

I guess what would help is if I understood how those three can play together and help in pass D/pressuring the quarterback?

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I understand being a fan. There�s nothing wrong with it. But watching these #Giants fans reaction video where they turn into mental patients over a guy who could well pan out (you never know!) need to rethink their lives. #NFLDraft

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Geoff Magliocchetti ‏ @GeoffMags5490 Follow Follow @GeoffMags5490 More I understand being a fan. There�s nothing wrong with it. But watching these #Giants fans reaction video where they turn into mental patients over a guy who could well pan out (you never know!) need to rethink their lives. #NFLDraft

But Greg saw him play that one time live in 2017. I think that gives his opinion of Jones plenty of clout

In comment 14410909 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said: Quote: In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!" Except that�s not what�s being said. People are upset about the QB that they took, not that they took a QB. There�s a big difference

But certainly you have to admit, you're talking about people who know far less about QB's than the people in charge of evaluating and then choosing QBs.

In comment 14411314 Eric from BBI said:

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No one is saying you can't criticize. I criticize the Giants all of the time. And I get slammed for doing so. But you guys are not thinking logically. You seem to want to both draft Eli's replacement and the stud at #6. The Giants didn't think that was an option. They felt Denver or Washington (with a trade) would have nabbed Jones.

I get it man. Daniel Jones isn�t even in the same breath as the top QB�s in next years draft. And if we aren�t lying to ourselves, we know that the Giants will be in the top 15 again next year in position to draft a superior talent. That�s my gripe. Is what it is. What can you do.

In comment 14411269 Eric from BBI said:

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Who was your QB then? You guys bitch about the QB situation. The Giants addressed it. You don't like the guy, but they do.

I'd like to think everyone is concerned about the Eli transition.

For QB, not anybody at #6 this year, but especially Jones. Again, it's about value and managing the draft correctly.

Eli is the QB for at least this year. Right? So what helps the team more at #6 to help us/Eli win this year or next? A top level pass rusher or a QB prospect who is, IMV, more project than guarantee. Or top level LB? Or the QB? Another OL? Or the QB?

I'm all ears if you can rationally explain why a project who will likely wait 1,2 or even 3 years is better for the team than any of those position needs I listed...

The Giants are going nowhere in 2019 anyway, so it wouldn't make any difference to me.

Jon mentioned it in another thread - if everything had played out the same only with Allen taken at 6 rather than Jones, I doubt many people would be griping about the draft because we'd see the nucleus of a damned good defense taking shape, filling holes at multiple positions.

Those people applauding the pick - do you think Jones will ever be an All-Pro, or even a Pro Bowl QB? Will he ever be considered one of the top 5 QBs in the league? Do you think he can carry an offense to a Super Bowl? If your reaction to those questions isn't an unequivocal "yes", then don't use the #6 overall pick on that guy.

Sure. But it doesn�t automatically mean the experts and fans are wrong and the Giants are right.

If they were always right we wouldn�t be in the position we are in. Time will tell.

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But Greg saw him play that one time live in 2017. I think that gives his opinion of Jones plenty of clout

That's more than 99% of the cheerleaders on here waving their pom-poms over Jones have watched him play, isn't it?

And, again since the pep squad hasn't wanted to face this fact - there are two actual, professional football scouts who contribute here. One of them, Dave, outright didn't like Jones. The other, Sy, was tepid in his evaluation and said that he would pass on him at #6. So stop with the canard that "hurrrrr only dorks who watched a YouTube video think Jones isn't that good"

is that people decided..for whatever reason...that this was their guy. For many it was a QB (and much of that was *absolutely* borne of we need a QB just to have a QB (if talent or value was at issue, they would have counseled waiting for any one of 4 coming out next year). For some others, including myself, it was a stud DL guy.

Having come to that decision, people became emotionally wed to a specific player and any choice other than that player simply was wrong. The pick of Jones is decried not because of talent but because our own egos can't handle disagreement without seeing it as a personal affront.

In comment 14411347 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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In comment 14411314 Eric from BBI said: Quote: No one is saying you can't criticize. I criticize the Giants all of the time. And I get slammed for doing so. But you guys are not thinking logically. You seem to want to both draft Eli's replacement and the stud at #6. The Giants didn't think that was an option. They felt Denver or Washington (with a trade) would have nabbed Jones. I get it man. Daniel Jones isn�t even in the same breath as the top QB�s in next years draft. And if we aren�t lying to ourselves, we know that the Giants will be in the top 15 again next year in position to draft a superior talent. That�s my gripe. Is what it is. What can you do.

Taking Haskins and Lock out of the equation. They did exactly what the anti QB crowd last year pounded the table about. Taking a lesser QB with better ones on the horizon.

If Jones doesn�t work out AND the Giants up toward the top 5 of the next two drafts and can�t take Tua or Lawrence because of Jones that could potentially be disastrous.

In comment 14411369 ajr2456 said:

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Sure. But it doesn�t automatically mean the experts and fans are wrong and the Giants are right. If they were always right we wouldn�t be in the position we are in. Time will tell.

I don't know automatically. But there's probably a >99% chance.

We don't have enough of a pass rush. We have more holes than picks.

Why can't folks accept this?

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If Jones doesn�t work out AND the Giants up toward the top 5 of the next two drafts and can�t take Tua or Lawrence because of Jones that could potentially be disastrous.

Or do what Arizona did, right?

But I do have one question.....why not MONTEZ SWEAT at 17?

In comment 14411347 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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In comment 14411314 Eric from BBI said: Quote: No one is saying you can't criticize. I criticize the Giants all of the time. And I get slammed for doing so. But you guys are not thinking logically. You seem to want to both draft Eli's replacement and the stud at #6. The Giants didn't think that was an option. They felt Denver or Washington (with a trade) would have nabbed Jones. I get it man. Daniel Jones isn�t even in the same breath as the top QB�s in next years draft. And if we aren�t lying to ourselves, we know that the Giants will be in the top 15 again next year in position to draft a superior talent. That�s my gripe. Is what it is. What can you do.

I agree wholeheartedly here. That's my disappointment; I wanted the better 2020 guy.

But it's done and, being an adult, I can move on and support their choice.

"We don't draft for need" He explains that is why they picked Saquon last year. Really? So you are telling me Jones was the 6th best player in the entire draft? Hahahahaha.

Jones needs to be better than Darnold because the Giants passed on him. No one can tell me Darnold wasn't a better recruit than Jones. They must see a potential in Jones that no one else can see.

In comment 14411347 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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In comment 14411314 Eric from BBI said: Quote: No one is saying you can't criticize. I criticize the Giants all of the time. And I get slammed for doing so. But you guys are not thinking logically. You seem to want to both draft Eli's replacement and the stud at #6. The Giants didn't think that was an option. They felt Denver or Washington (with a trade) would have nabbed Jones. I get it man. Daniel Jones isn�t even in the same breath as the top QB�s in next years draft. And if we aren�t lying to ourselves, we know that the Giants will be in the top 15 again next year in position to draft a superior talent. That�s my gripe. Is what it is. What can you do.

But thats it, you don't know Jones isn't going to be good. Its you opinion I guess, but the experts the Giants have had a different opinion. You can't state Jones stinks as a fact.

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But I do have one question.....why not MONTEZ SWEAT at 17?

I don't know their reasoning but his heart took him completely off my board (same for Murray (baseball) and Rosen (CTE).

that makes them so utterly convinced that this guy is a future star NFL QB. It's literally a baffling pick to me because I've seen him play multiple games and never once thought that I was watching a special QB. You watch other QBs and, even if you have concerns and spot flaws, you might think to yourself "Well, I can see why he might have big time potential". With Jones, never had that feeling and was shocked that his name started being thrown about as a potential high first round pick.

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But thats it, you don't know Jones isn't going to be good. Its you opinion I guess, but the experts the Giants have had a different opinion. You can't state Jones stinks as a fact.

And you don't know that he IS going to be good. You can't state that Jones is a franchise QB as a fact.

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In comment 14411391 ajr2456 said: Quote: If Jones doesn�t work out AND the Giants up toward the top 5 of the next two drafts and can�t take Tua or Lawrence because of Jones that could potentially be disastrous. Or do what Arizona did, right?

the thing is, according to what is believed to be the plan by most everyone, NYG are going to have no idea whether or not Jones panned out by the time they are deciding on Tua/Fromm.

For all intents and purposes, it seems they've punted on the very strong QB class of 2020. would you disagree with that?

This is a big part of my problem with the overall approach.

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But I do have one question.....why not MONTEZ SWEAT at 17?

Because they had Dexter Lawrence rated higher, as many did.

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In comment 14411391 ajr2456 said: Quote: If Jones doesn�t work out AND the Giants up toward the top 5 of the next two drafts and can�t take Tua or Lawrence because of Jones that could potentially be disastrous. Or do what Arizona did, right?

What if Jones works out, like Trubisky for example? Then it was a brilliant decision. You, and I, dont know. SO why state things like "Jones sucks" or "Jones won't be a good NFL QB" as fact.

In comment 14411395 Eric from BBI said:

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We don't have enough of a pass rush. We have more holes than picks. Why can't folks accept this?

I accept it. I just don't see how Lawrence helps fill a hole. And I'm not about to jump off the ledge or anything, I'm completely rational about it, just I'm not jumping in drinking the kool-aid, need to be shown how the approach will help.

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In comment 14411391 ajr2456 said: Quote: If Jones doesn�t work out AND the Giants up toward the top 5 of the next two drafts and can�t take Tua or Lawrence because of Jones that could potentially be disastrous. Or do what Arizona did, right?

Doing what Arizona isn�t a good way to do business.

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We don't have enough of a pass rush. We have more holes than picks. Why can't folks accept this?

I think that's why most are upset with this pick. They saw one of the best defenders fall to us at #6 and we over drafted a QB at the pick. I actually think most would have understood if we didn't draft a QB this year and just picked BPA across the board.

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In comment 14411407 PatersonPlank said: Quote: But thats it, you don't know Jones isn't going to be good. Its you opinion I guess, but the experts the Giants have had a different opinion. You can't state Jones stinks as a fact. And you don't know that he IS going to be good. You can't state that Jones is a franchise QB as a fact.

Exactly my point. So we all agreed (or most of us) that we needed to take a top QB and we did. After that who knows if your preference is better than mine. We don't know, so I'm just happy the Giants picked a top QB. They have people paid to analyze these things, and they felt strong enough about this guy to pull the trigger at #6. I'm good, lets see what happens.

We'll disagree with each there. I saw MAJOR wholes on the DL, LB/edge, CB, and safety on defense.

holes

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But you definitively state he wont be good? That doesnt make much sense

With three first round picks, if we didn't draft a QB last night, BBI would be equally pissed right now.

I�m getting more confident they made the right choice

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In comment 14411347 Tim in Eternal Blue said: Quote: In comment 14411314 Eric from BBI said: Quote: No one is saying you can't criticize. I criticize the Giants all of the time. And I get slammed for doing so. But you guys are not thinking logically. You seem to want to both draft Eli's replacement and the stud at #6. The Giants didn't think that was an option. They felt Denver or Washington (with a trade) would have nabbed Jones. I get it man. Daniel Jones isn�t even in the same breath as the top QB�s in next years draft. And if we aren�t lying to ourselves, we know that the Giants will be in the top 15 again next year in position to draft a superior talent. That�s my gripe. Is what it is. What can you do. But thats it, you don't know Jones isn't going to be good. Its you opinion I guess, but the experts the Giants have had a different opinion. You can't state Jones stinks as a fact.

What�s up PP? I never said Jones stinks. Or anything close to that. I said that the Giants used a premium pick on an average college QB. I don�t think you will find a soul on Earth that will tell you that Jones is in the same league as a Tua or a Fromm. Because that would be a lie.

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In comment 14411395 Eric from BBI said: Quote: We don't have enough of a pass rush. We have more holes than picks. Why can't folks accept this? I think that's why most are upset with this pick. They saw one of the best defenders fall to us at #6 and we over drafted a QB at the pick. I actually think most would have understood if we didn't draft a QB this year and just picked BPA across the board.

I don't believe that for a second. Many people suggested that very thing here *before* the draft and were shouted down. Commonly people said that either all the Fromm's and Tua's and Herberts and Easons would suck next year and would no longer be of value or that the giants would be so far away from the top of the draft (but would still suck as a team and lose more than they won because...well, you know....Eli)) that any of 4 guys owld be unreachable by pick or trade.

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We'll disagree with each there. I saw MAJOR wholes on the DL, LB/edge, CB, and safety on defense.

I didn't say there weren't, but isn't there a lot of overlap between Hill, Tomlinson, and Lawrence?

My point is they filled a hole where there was already an option, and these three will be on the field together maybe 20 snaps a game (from what I've read)

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I've never been more disgusted with Giants fans than I am now. The reaction to Daniel Jones on Twitter is pathetic. They are treating HIM like he is some sort of war criminal.

Twitter Sucks the big one all it is a constant mud slinging contest and a left wing liberal shit hole . Thanks Jack for giving me the perma- Boot Their time is coming along with the Google Gestapo and Fake Book !
Hopefully we got another Eli with better wheels !

thrilled to have Lawrence. Giants were 20th against the run. It's not like all they needed was a pass rusher. If you cannot stop the run - you are not going to stop the pass.

RE: Jones - at best 5 people or less on this site have the knowledge and experience to accurately assess which college QBs will be successful in the NFL. The rest are basically throwing a tantrum because their guy didn't get picked.

Time will tell if Jones is a franchise QB. He's in a very good position sitiing behind a consummate pro and one of the smartest and hardest working QBs in the league.

Today hoping they can find a RT and soem pass rush help.

I don't see overlap.

We run a 3-4 defense. We had two quality defensive linemen. Now we have three.

We need to stop the run if we are going to rush the passer.

Last couple of years? We haven't stopped the run well enough.

but I'm annoyed by the constant declarations that Jones sucks made by people who aren't really in a position to have that strong of an opinion.

There is never a grey area. Every reaction is over the top, under informed, loud and arrogant...a bad combination.

He isn't very well thought of in NFL circles. Actually when he got hurt Vegas barely made an ajustment for Chase Daniels. That being said when you don't need to give up draft picks to take a guy like that it isn't the worst. That is where the Bears went wrong.

Even after sleeping on it, I still have a problem with drafting Jones at 6. First, I am an Eli fan and was not one who thought they needed to find the new franchise QB in this draft, especially since it wasn't a good draft for QBs. I also think DG was full of shit with his whole Best Player Available shtick because Jones was certainly not the best player available and the BLA on the board was one who I believe could fill a big need for the Giants. I will no longer believe any crap they try to feed the media or fans ahead of the draft but it was my own fault for buying into it in the first place. That said, we obviously don't know where the Giants will be in the first round next year and may not, though I have my doubts, be in a position to draft one of the top QBs anyway. With what I have read thus far, I am not overly impressed with Jones but I also wasn't excited about any of the QBs in the draft (I would have preferred that they work on a trade for Rosen). What's done is done and I will just temper my expectations.

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I don't see overlap. We run a 3-4 defense. We had two quality defensive linemen. Now we have three. We need to stop the run if we are going to rush the passer. Last couple of years? We haven't stopped the run well enough.

2 other things people overlook:

(1) The fastest path is a straight line; and
(2) QB's hate pressure in their face

Lawrence is a one-man wrecking crew in the middle. His presence will give more of a chance for our edge guys to get to the QB. We were beat too often because QB's were not knocked off their spot and could step up in the pocket to throw. Not doing that with Lawrence at NT.

Good point.

about Lawrence, and how he will use him and Tomlinson. People are right too be confused as they did say Tomlinson was best suited at NT. Although, I'm not sure I remember hearing that from Bettcher

with the draft. It's not like I'm not going to root for the guys that are selected. I'm a fan, but I come here to voice my opinion. And pound salt apparently.

My thought is, if they're really feeling like Eli is the guy, he can still do it etc etc, then wait until next year to draft a QB. I'd rather fill holes around the team, and if he actually CAN still do it, you're setting the team up for long term success. Most young QBs come in and play right away anyways, so what's the difference? I don't think there is one honestly.

I would have preferred to either trade for Rosen, or waited till next year and use most of the draft on addressing the defense. We've really concentrated on the offense and neglected the defense. We had the opportunity to draft an elite edge rusher. Now the closest we'll get to that is a guy at the end of Round 3.

Again, I'm going to root for them to win and succeed. I would like there to be consequences for failing.

In 1979 when Phil Simms (who) was Drafted 7th overall and if there was social media then, what the reaction would have been. As fans we never know how a draft pick pans out. Most of us were wrong then and hope probably wrong again

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In comment 14410102 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 14410078 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14410044 dep026 said: Quote: I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this. Yea, people who don�t like the moves must be rooting for them to fail. Posters like yourself rather be right than wrong. Ill give the_boss credit for at least saying he woill take the heat if Jones turns out to be the right guy. "I�d be able to stop selling spare tickets below cost or to Cowboy fans."

Not a very bright thing to say on a Giants fan site.

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with the draft. It's not like I'm not going to root for the guys that are selected. I'm a fan, but I come here to voice my opinion. And pound salt apparently. My thought is, if they're really feeling like Eli is the guy, he can still do it etc etc, then wait until next year to draft a QB. I'd rather fill holes around the team, and if he actually CAN still do it, you're setting the team up for long term success. Most young QBs come in and play right away anyways, so what's the difference? I don't think there is one honestly. I would have preferred to either trade for Rosen, or waited till next year and use most of the draft on addressing the defense. We've really concentrated on the offense and neglected the defense. We had the opportunity to draft an elite edge rusher. Now the closest we'll get to that is a guy at the end of Round 3. Again, I'm going to root for them to win and succeed. I would like there to be consequences for failing.

Most young guys play right away, but last year outside of Baker Mayfield, none of the first round QB's improved their team. Every other team that played a rookie QB had a worse draft position in 2019. If Jones proves he is ready that is one thing, but I would rather not put on the added pressure of having to be ready for Week 1 of the Regular Season.

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In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!"

And then there were those of us who said, "We don't need to find Eli's replacement this year." There were those of us who still think we can win with Eli, and would have preferred to build a better team around him, and what's more, we were led to believe that the FO felt the same way.

really need to watch more College Football if they think next year's QB class was going to be leaps and bounds better then this one.

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really need to watch more College Football if they think next year's QB class was going to be leaps and bounds better then this one.

But that's the point Sy'56 made when he advocated not drafting a QB this year...that you can find QB's of this caliber available every year.

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really need to watch more College Football if they think next year's QB class was going to be leaps and bounds better then this one.

I watch plenty of college football. It's going to be a lonely platform you're on if you think Tua, Herbert, Fromm, Costello, and possibly Eason aren't going to be seen as vastly more impressive than this QB class from either a physical, performance, or experience standpoint.

There's no Andrew Luck in either group, but I'm not sure how anything other than your personal opinion can support this QB class not being significantly weaker than next year's prospective group.

I think they could be 2 young building blocks for a young defense..

As for Jones the only reason i was mad last night was because i wanted allen, but that is not to say i didnt like Jones...

I thi k Jones cam be the future here..