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I'm pysched about this draft

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 10:03 am
(1) The Giants drafted the QB that THEY wanted. Time will tell, but they finally bit the bullet and made the most important decision they needed to make in the rebuild process.

(2) Long-time BBIers know I love big, strong, run-stuffing defensive tackles. Lawrence is like getting Ngata or Wilfork.

(3) The CB situation on this team was dreadful. The Giants drafted their #1 rated CB.


Go pound sand if you don't like it! (This is said with love).
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I’m glad somebody woke up happy today.  
The_Boss : 4/26/2019 10:04 am : link
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Meh  
Harvest Blend : 4/26/2019 10:05 am : link
.

:)
Say it with hate!  
dep026 : 4/26/2019 10:05 am : link
I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this.

I think the term you were looking for is  
Beer Man : 4/26/2019 10:06 am : link
"Piss and moan"
Great thread Eric!  
ZogZerg : 4/26/2019 10:07 am : link
People bitching about a shutdown corner, that the Giants had as their top choice are just clueless. CB was a huge hole on this team. You can argue it was as bad as Edge.
Not a fan  
cokeduplt : 4/26/2019 10:07 am : link
Of Jones like the other picks. Hopefully everyone but DG is wrong and he is great.
Well said Eric,,,  
AlphaTrion : 4/26/2019 10:07 am : link
Only time will tell. I am very excited about the players we brought in via trade, FA's and the first round last night. We still have a few more moves to make which include tonight and tomorrow.

Enjoy the ride Giants fans...should be fun!
RE: Not a fan  
PatersonPlank : 4/26/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14410054 cokeduplt said:
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Of Jones like the other picks. Hopefully everyone but DG is wrong and he is great.


Lots of people like Jones. In fact wasn't Denver, Cincy, and Wash going to grab him?
CB - Situation  
Biteymax22 : 4/26/2019 10:09 am : link
It's been lost on this board how thin we are at CB.

Jenkins played ok last year, but will play the bulk of next season at 31 and is starting to drop off. Beal hasn't played a snap in the NFL, Grant Haley is a slot only and the rest of depth chart looks more like a practice squad list.

Getting Baker at 30 was damn good value, may wind up being our best round 1 pick.
I see you hard sold yourself on Daniel Jones  
AdamBrag : 4/26/2019 10:09 am : link
I really, really like the Lawrence and Baker picks though.
RE: Say it with hate!  
ajr2456 : 4/26/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14410044 dep026 said:
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I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this.


Yea, people who don’t like the moves must be rooting for them to fail.
Youre drunk  
micky : 4/26/2019 10:10 am : link
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I love  
Jon in NYC : 4/26/2019 10:11 am : link
it too.

Ultimately it's going to be determined by Jones, but we can't make that call until probably 2021/2 at the earliest.

In the interim we add two immediate starters and solidify both the run and pass D.
RE: RE: Say it with hate!  
jvm52106 : 4/26/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14410078 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14410044 dep026 said:


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I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this.




Yea, people who don’t like the moves must be rooting for them to fail.


Disliking is not what most have been doing. Hating, calling the front office incompetent or idiots is more what we have seen.
I like it. Shurmur wanted a QB that could move  
carpoon : 4/26/2019 10:12 am : link
and he obviously is very coachable. Sy's report on Allen wasn't exactly glowing. The other two picks were excellent. I believe DG knows what he is doing.
RE: RE: Say it with hate!  
dep026 : 4/26/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14410078 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14410044 dep026 said:


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I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this.




Yea, people who don’t like the moves must be rooting for them to fail.


Posters like yourself rather be right than wrong. Ill give the_boss credit for at least saying he woill take the heat if Jones turns out to be the right guy.
I will tell you this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 10:13 am : link
I've never been more disgusted with Giants fans than I am now. The reaction to Daniel Jones on Twitter is pathetic.

They are treating HIM like he is some sort of war criminal.
Allen at 6  
GothamGiants : 4/26/2019 10:13 am : link
and this draft overhauls the defense in 1 nigh

Lawrence has been “my guy” for awhile, lucky he was there at 17 ... I just don’t understand how Allen gets passed at 6.

Baker/Beal; Peppers Bethea; Jenkins - Haley
Allen; Ogletree BJ; Carter
Hill; Lawrence; Tomlinson

That defense is potentially dominant. The secondary will be much improved this year at least.
I'm down with Daniel Jones.  
GiantsUA : 4/26/2019 10:13 am : link
I hope his handlers are keeping him away from all communication devices, it's not pretty.

Happy the Giants jumped in on a QB they believed in.
People have been saying on here for 2 years  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/26/2019 10:14 am : link
that the Giants have to have "CONVICTION" for their next QB. That they have to "LOVE" this guy. Well, the Giants show that for a QB and they get shit on for it. You can't make it up. Bottom line is they had to move on at QB and this will be a good situation with Eli playing in 2019 and Jones getting ready for 2020. I'm fine with it.
Awesome first round!  
larryflower37 : 4/26/2019 10:15 am : link
3 strong picks that fill big needs.
I was not a gettleman fan and I am still on the fence but he is checking off the boxes through the draft.
Gettleman did what he said he was going to do..  
Sean : 4/26/2019 10:15 am : link
The order in how it happened is just different than expected. They added 2 defensive starters & got their QB.
RE: I will tell you this  
barens : 4/26/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14410105 Eric from BBI said:
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I've never been more disgusted with Giants fans than I am now. The reaction to Daniel Jones on Twitter is pathetic.

They are treating HIM like he is some sort of war criminal.


In fairness, it's not just Giant fans who are like that, every fan is like that.
Eric  
Ross : 4/26/2019 10:15 am : link
you have always been the voice of reason and I agree with your assessment 100%.

Take a step back and if you woke up yesterday and someone were to tell you that the Giants took thier #1 QB, #2 DT and #1 CB...we would all be thrilled.

I trust DG in the draft and hope he got this right.
RE: RE: RE: Say it with hate!  
ajr2456 : 4/26/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14410102 dep026 said:
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In comment 14410078 ajr2456 said:


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In comment 14410044 dep026 said:


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I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this.




Yea, people who don’t like the moves must be rooting for them to fail.



Posters like yourself rather be right than wrong. Ill give the_boss credit for at least saying he woill take the heat if Jones turns out to be the right guy.


I’ll gladly eat crow if Jones is good. I’d be able to stop selling spare tickets below cost or to Cowboy fans.

I’d rather the Giants be good than be right, despite what you may think.
RE: I like it. Shurmur wanted a QB that could move  
bigbluehoya : 4/26/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14410098 carpoon said:
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and he obviously is very coachable. Sy's report on Allen wasn't exactly glowing. The other two picks were excellent. I believe DG knows what he is doing.


The only thing they have left to do is let the kid play. I'll more than happily defer to their scouting and evaluation, but their resource allocation and approach is what I find puzzling.

In a vacuum I don't mind the picks at all. When you add in the fact that they've already promise the starting job for AT LEAST 2019 to a $20M player, I like it a whole lot less.

The Aaron Rodgers / Favre stuff doesn't hold any water for me. He was taken at 24 (which tells you a lot not only about the level of investment, but the state of the team). And by most accounts, Favre didn't invest a shred of interest in Rodgers' development. Rodgers became great of his own talents and efforts. The process by which GB handled it is a footnote.
If the Giants love Jones...Then I am glad they picked him  
AnnapolisMike : 4/26/2019 10:21 am : link
The Giants passed on Rosen and Haskins for Jones. If he was the guy...then I have no issue with taking him at #6. It is not worth the risk losing him trying to get cute.

It's not all about pure QB ability either. Intangibles like toughness and the ability to survive the NY media were major reasons for Eli's success in NY. Ben Roethlisberger has better skills that Eli...but he would have collapsed in NY's glare. The Giants are done with me first players.

The Giants will be able to stop the run and defend the pass. Hopefully they will scheme a pass rush.
I was less than psyched about the pick, and obviously time  
barens : 4/26/2019 10:21 am : link
will tell, a whole lot of time according Gettleman, but at least speaking for myself, sometimes I look to the short term, and I'm looking at opening night in Dallas, and how there could have been a strong possibility we go into that game with 3 impact defensive players, or 2 with a better solution at offensive tackle. Maybe that's a lot of faith to put into rookies, but sometimes it's hard to look past the short term.

I was at a very exclusive restaurant last night;  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/26/2019 10:22 am : link
saw a guy at a table near me order the Kalamari but the portion looked small.

I ordered a Rib Eye medium rare, but my waiter delivered an overcooked hamburger instead. I asked him WTF?

He then brought me a double thick pork chop which looked great, but I told him I really wanted that Rib Eye!

He ended up comping me a lovely Baked Alaska for dessert...

But it still didn't make up for the miss on the Rib Eye.
draft looks better after a good night's sleep  
Steve in ATL : 4/26/2019 10:23 am : link
3 first round picks! I went to bed after digesting 17 so I missed the end of the first round.

I accept that Jones was the QB they wanted and that he would not have lasted to 17. NFL teams liked him better than the media and the public.

Happy with Lawrence pick. CB is a great need and they got one of the best in this draft. Wish they had gotten an Edge rusher. I would have been very happy with Josh Allen. DG said that Jones and Allen were on the same row of the draft chart. Given that and the QB need it looks better today than last night.

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Micko : 4/26/2019 10:24 am : link
Well said Eric.
Eric  
Matt M. : 4/26/2019 10:24 am : link
Where is Beals in terms of rehab? Is he slated to start? 3rd CB? If it is either of those 2, a weakness turned into a strength last night.
I was at a very exclusive restaurant last night;  
BlueLou'sBack : 4/26/2019 10:24 am : link
saw a guy at a table near me order the Kalamari but the portion looked small.

I ordered a Rib Eye medium rare, but my waiter delivered an overcooked hamburger instead. I asked him WTF?

He then brought me a double thick pork chop which looked great, but I told him I really wanted that Rib Eye!

He ended up comping me a lovely Baked Alaska for dessert...

But it still didn't make up for the miss on the Rib Eye.

I guess a lot of folks would have been happy with the pork chop and Baked Alaska.
RE: I will tell you this  
BlueHurricane : 4/26/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14410105 Eric from BBI said:
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I've never been more disgusted with Giants fans than I am now. The reaction to Daniel Jones on Twitter is pathetic.

They are treating HIM like he is some sort of war criminal.



It is unfortunate Eric but in the time of social media and mob mentality people do not think for themselves any more. Couple that with the fact that we haven't won in a few seasons and you get a whole lot of "dumb"

Anyone destroying or celebrating this pick is really off base. The draft is like pulling the arm on a slot machine. I am going to sit here rooting for the jackpot.
I'm with you Eric!!  
GiantAce : 4/26/2019 10:25 am : link
Excited about all 3 first round picks. Seeing the reactions all across social media from "Giant Fans" has actually got me embarrassed.
Agreed on #2 and #3.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/26/2019 10:27 am : link
As for #1, I have no issue with the "conviction" pick at #6, or with passing on Josh Allen. But if they are so high on Daniel Jones, why is there still a $17MM QB on the roster?
.....  
Micko : 4/26/2019 10:28 am : link
Maybe I’m naive, but I don’t see a reason to doubt DG yet. Last years draft was the best we have had in years. Filling DT and CB was as important as DE/LB and they apparently thought Jones was a franchise QB. It is a great situation to have a guy learn for a year under Eli.
Twitter? How about TV  
George from PA : 4/26/2019 10:30 am : link
McShay is tearing him apart.

The Haskin vs Jones...I hope turns into a longterm debate
Franchise...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/26/2019 10:31 am : link
...!
my  
Steve in Greenwich : 4/26/2019 10:31 am : link
problem with last nights draft isn't necessarily the draft picks themselves - it was the painful realization that even with 3 first round draft picks they have about a six MAJOR needs left unfulfilled. I have never been the overly optimistic type to look at the roster with blinders, but my god are there gaping holes on this team. I know they needed a CB in the worst way, but you could say 12 draft picks would never have made this team, I think they could have had 20 draft picks over these three days and still need more. I hate more the feeling this morning that with all that draft capital coming into the draft anything was possible and now you wake up and with no 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick that's last in its round and only additional end of round picks in the 5th and 7th that my dream of picking off all the falling talent on the 2nd and 3rd day of the draft is pretty much gone.
The good news  
Andrew in Austin : 4/26/2019 10:33 am : link
for Daniel Jones is that he is supposedly mentally tough. That seems like one of the high order bits in play of why the Giants ranked him #1.

Honestly, this probably works out for the best. No one is expecting him to start this year, there is no QB controversy waiting in the wings, Eli has been given the starting role and Jones the student role.

Even if the Giants have a rough start, I don't think anyone will be calling for us to throw Jones to the wolves. He will have an opportunity to learn and improve and then shut us all up.
Eric, it is.also all relative  
George from PA : 4/26/2019 10:45 am : link
And your hated Redskins did very well. One could argue better then us with alot less
RE: Eric, it is.also all relative  
ZogZerg : 4/26/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14410336 George from PA said:
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And your hated Redskins did very well. One could argue better then us with alot less


One could argue they did worse. But yeah, they did well.
We'll see.
RE: Agreed on #2 and #3.  
Go Terps : 4/26/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14410221 Big Blue Blogger said:
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As for #1, I have no issue with the "conviction" pick at #6, or with passing on Josh Allen. But if they are so high on Daniel Jones, why is there still a $17MM QB on the roster?


That's my one qualm with this whole thing.
Thumbs Up  
Jerry K : 4/26/2019 10:52 am : link
Three first round picks is great, but you can't fill all needs in one draft.

I'm a Daniel Jones fan now. Daniel Jeremiah said his pro day was nearly flawless. Matt Lombardo was "blown away" by his arm strength. Jenny Ventras says the pros valued him much more than the sports media. And Bob Pappa and others think the Broncos would have taken him at 10.

Two first round picks for defense will help a lot but we still need to hit on a couple other picks.
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arcarsenal : 4/26/2019 10:53 am : link
I have a feeling yesterday is going to be a gold mine to dig back into the archives on in a few years...
Excellent thread  
Keaton028 : 4/26/2019 10:53 am : link
Even if you don’t like Jones (I’m warming up to him), we still got two excellent defensive prospects. That’s a win.
RE: .  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14410400 arcarsenal said:
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I have a feeling yesterday is going to be a gold mine to dig back into the archives on in a few years...


I do too, but for completely opposite reasons
RE: I will tell you this  
arcarsenal : 4/26/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14410105 Eric from BBI said:
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I've never been more disgusted with Giants fans than I am now. The reaction to Daniel Jones on Twitter is pathetic.

They are treating HIM like he is some sort of war criminal.


And I agree with you - I actually feel bad for Jones.

Some of these fans are really fucking shitty.

Don't like him? That's fine - at least give him a chance before cursing him out and treating him like he ruined the entire franchise before taking one snap.

It's pathetic.
Be pissed  
Mark from Jersey : 4/26/2019 10:56 am : link
At the Giants if you don’t like the pick but leave the kid alone. I hate social media.
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