I'm pysched about this draft

all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting.

Are the popular team to meme and mock at this point, so it’s mostly just piling on. If the picks work out, and the Giants start winning that chatter will die down fast.

sure if we chose Allen, we would be being crushed for letting another first round pass without choosing a QB.

much echoes my thoughts. My incredibly uneducated opinion doesn't think Jones is a good pick but he's obviously the guy the brass wants. They also put a lot of work into scouting the other options and showed conviction by taking their guy as soon as they could. He wasn't the second or third choice who just happened to be there.

You can't argue with the other two picks. Two stud prospects, one at a position of great need.

three first round picks, and two are immediate starters on defense and potential franchise QB! The team has gotten better, and there’s still more to go. I wouldn’t be shocked to see another trade up into the 3rd round, maybe even 2nd round.

Whether he's with the pick will play out down the road, but Haskins and Lock stink. Haskins going to Washington was a nice bonus.

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In comment 14410269 Andrew in Austin said:

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for Daniel Jones is that he is supposedly mentally tough. That seems like one of the high order bits in play of why the Giants ranked him #1. Honestly, this probably works out for the best. No one is expecting him to start this year, there is no QB controversy waiting in the wings, Eli has been given the starting role and Jones the student role. Even if the Giants have a rough start, I don't think anyone will be calling for us to throw Jones to the wolves. He will have an opportunity to learn and improve and then shut us all up.

When Eli throws a preseason INT and Jones has a nice scramble later in the same game, the frenzy will start

Every mishap Eli has is ripped to shreds, that’s only going to be magnified with a top 10 pick who can actually run

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all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting.

So no one is allowed to do anything but shill for every move the team makes. Got it.

so the fact they really liked Jones doesn't mean much to me. i don't know what fans on social media are saying to or about Jones, and I won't defend that, but this idea that as fans we're simply supposed to drink the kool-aid and be happy with what the team did strikes me as strange. absent taking a rb or a safety, they had needs at every position, so you could have justified pretty much anyone they chose as filling a need.

to me, the bigger issue is that it sure seems like the league is moving forward in one direction and the Giants are moving backward in another. and I'm not particularly convinced of Gettleman's cleverness - i think his public arrogance is actually a bad sign, not a good one. this site was full of people yesterday ridiculing the Redskins and Snyder and predicting we were using Jones to play them into moving up. today it's reported that part of the reason we grabbed Jones at 6 is because we were afraid the Redskins were going to grab him.

the giants may be proven right - we'll find out on the field - and hopefully sooner rather than later. but to me, this feels a lot more like the Jags reaching to draft Blake Bortles 3rd overall (i'm sure they had conviction too), than the Eagles drafting Carson Wentz

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Whether he's with the pick will play out down the road, but Haskins and Lock stink. Haskins going to Washington was a nice bonus.

I instantly felt better when WAS took him. He is beyond overrated. Glad Snyder continues to bury that franchise

In comment 14410521 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14410423 dep026 said: Quote: all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting. So no one is allowed to do anything but shill for every move the team makes. Got it.

There's definitely an element of that here, I agree with you. It's aggravating. I've been saying for a while - the Giants could draft an inanimate carbon rod and there would be posters calling it a great pick.

In comment 14410521 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14410423 dep026 said: Quote: all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting. So no one is allowed to do anything but shill for every move the team makes. Got it.

Yea, not sure how saying they’re dumb or don’t know what they’re doing is disgusting. Nobody is saying they hope Gettleman gets hit by a bus or something.

In comment 14410521 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14410423 dep026 said: Quote: all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting. So no one is allowed to do anything but shill for every move the team makes. Got it.

No, but acting like a baby at every move makes my statement truer by the day.

Look, my distaste for Gettleman is an open book, but despite that I praised his other two picks from last night. Hell, I thought moving up to grab Baker was downright inspired. I'm very happy with two-thirds of the first round, but that other one-third is tough to stomach when it was the pick that had the most potential impact.

There's a huge, huge difference between saying "I don't like the pick, I'd have gone in a different direction" and fans going all Josh in the City and acting like unhinged lunatics who throw tantrums for weeks and months since they didn't get their way.

I sure as hell didn't get my way last night. I have two options now; I can let it play out and let Jones prove me wrong, which I sincerely hope he does, or I can go on Twitter, mock him, curse at him, argue with more strangers, make absurd claims like "he'd be a day 3 pick if we didn't reach!!!!" - and I just don't see the point in the latter.

No one has to like everything the Giants do. Not like they've earned a ton of goodwill lately. Fans are angry, I get it. But it's not that difficult to express displeasure without turning into a teenager.

Some of the posts I read last night were embarrassing.

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Look, my distaste for Gettleman is an open book, but despite that I praised his other two picks from last night. Hell, I thought moving up to grab Baker was downright inspired. I'm very happy with two-thirds of the first round, but that other one-third is tough to stomach when it was the pick that had the most potential impact.

But the fact is we dont know if Jones is going to stink or be good. Hell, he may be the best pick of the 3. He maybe the 2nd best. Hell, he could even be the best pick in the draft. Its fine to have an opinion.

but the constant negativity and saying a QB/player can/cant do something is nauseating at this point.

has something wrong with them

In comment 14410537 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14410521 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 14410423 dep026 said: Quote: all last season I called Giants horrible fans. Worst than Cowboys fans. My opinion is ringing more true by the day. The reactions towards players, executives, and the team is disgusting. So no one is allowed to do anything but shill for every move the team makes. Got it. Yea, not sure how saying they’re dumb or don’t know what they’re doing is disgusting. Nobody is saying they hope Gettleman gets hit by a bus or something.

People on social media are literally saying things like "I hope Gettleman gets AIDS"

It's pathetic.

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has something wrong with them

I guess I have something wrong with me.

I've never tweeted anything in my life - but it's a good resource for news and other stuff if you follow the right people.

I don't even look at it much, but I do have it and don't think there's anything wrong with utilizing it for that reason.

It always sucks, in every context and in every situation. Why would you even pay attention to that? It's like YouTube comment sections. You know what you're going to get so why even read them?

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I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this.

Its mind boggling. Can't stand it. I've got a big group chat with 11 other friends and we all root for different teams. Some are a bit more critical on things than others but all just enjoy the process and hope their teams improve. I can't for the life of me figure out why so many on this board go to such great lengths to hate everything.

DG and PS put their respective careers on the line to pick this guy. There is no fan, scout, analyst, etc who have more to lose if they screwed this up. I'm still cheering for the team either way.

I love the Lawrence pick, it just made running up the middle on us virtually impossible.

They got their #1 CB who has a reputation for being an outstanding press corner.

Not bad for the first round.

We still have our 4th round pick. They need to find a way to trade back into the 50-70 range using their 5th, 6th, and a 7th.

Anyone who uses it for anything other than finding news from established sources is wasting their time. Reading what @BadAZZ6969 has to say about anything, which is where your "Hope Gettleman dies" comments come from, is pointless.

I don't use most social media. I don't have Facebook.

I literally check Twitter once in a while for news on teams I root for.

I guess that means something's wrong with me, though. I'll call my doctor later and see what they say.

In comment 14410585 Greg from LI said:

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It always sucks, in every context and in every situation. Why would you even pay attention to that? It's like YouTube comment sections. You know what you're going to get so why even read them?

A great example of what a completely closed mind looks like.

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DG and PS put their respective careers on the line to pick this guy.

Let's be honest here, regardless of what Jones is, Gettleman is going to be puttering around Del Boca Vista in a miniature Cadillac golf cart in three years or so anyway.

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Anyone who uses it for anything other than finding news from established sources is wasting their time. Reading what @BadAZZ6969 has to say about anything, which is where your "Hope Gettleman dies" comments come from, is pointless.

But the problem is there are a shit ton of fans who are like this and thats why people like me say fans are terrible. It may not be you or your friends.... but social media is dominating sports now. And the majortiy of them dont know dick but feed into what ESPn, NFL network and other news outlets wants from viewers.

Gettleman is doing it his way. He will be either a hero or a fool. But that's his job. As a fan, I'm going to root for the team. No sense in "killing" Jones personally.

Most older fans remember Phil Simms and draft day, with social media today its way worse. ESPN thi morning was disgraceful on how they treated the dialogue as well.

Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year??

Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen).

Let's root like hell for the kid

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As for #1, I have no issue with the "conviction" pick at #6, or with passing on Josh Allen. But if they are so high on Daniel Jones, why is there still a $17MM QB on the roster?

What is so hard to understand about this? He won't be the first (or last) rookie QB to sit and learn behind a vet. And I'm pretty sure benefit from it.

Is also good for networking if you do it right

I'm just concerned with the lack of pass rush and the number of picks until their next pick

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When Eli throws a preseason INT and Jones has a nice scramble later in the same game, the frenzy will start Every mishap Eli has is ripped to shreds, that’s only going to be magnified with a top 10 pick who can actually run

Agree with you about Eli getting ripped to shreds for the littlest things.

My take on Jones is that 99% of folks think he was a reach, has a lot of learning to do, is not ready and is going to sit for 3 years - I really don't think anyone is going to be clamoring for him this year. I think it would have been 100% different with Haskins or Rosen.

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Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid

Fans can't have it both ways.

Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!"

Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!"

I was not in love with Jones as a prospect and would not have taken him that high. I hope I am wrong but I fear a misfire here or a guy who may play capably average but not be able to push us into contention.

But if there fans who don’t root for this guy now, whether it’s because of their opinion, dislike of Gettleman or other reasons, they can’t be considered real Giants fans who love their team.

I LOVE Dexter Lawrence and love that he is now on my team. I like you, love big DTs.

Baker is a legit starting corner.

There is more work to be done. OL needs a RT and needs interior and tackle depth still and Edge and S are issues. I think WR can wait until next year.

a play break down and a NYG QB actually make a nice throw on the run. These plays have been dead plays for 20 years now (Simms/Eli). No running, just make an accurate throw.

This is the one positive QB trait that I constantly see in his video.

If Allen were the pick at six would love next two picks as we would have a defense that could get off the field on third down. Picking Jones works against that. How many games did we lose last year late because QB carves us up on final drive because we have NO pressure ? The only pressure came from Vernon who is gone now.

Jones will be sitting there with clipboard and opposing QB will be sitting in pocket picking us apart.

Not pysched.

where they have a strong conviction in them, it's a promising start.

In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!"

Except that’s not what’s being said.

People are upset about the QB that they took, not that they took a QB. There’s a big difference

there were only 2 possible outcomes. Either

Jones and Allen (with a little luck)

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Jones, Lawrence, Baker

Time will tell how good Allen pans out to be (compared to Lawrence and baker).

You fuckers.

but I can't argue with taking the top QB they had on their board, the third best DT in the draft and the top CB they had on their board.

I'd love to know if we were ever in serious discussion for Rosen. My gut tells me they weren't enamored with his makeup and potential fit on the roster.

In comment 14410909 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said: Quote: In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!" Except that’s not what’s being said. People are upset about the QB that they took, not that they took a QB. There’s a big difference

Really. You are completely wrong with this. Folks wanted an Edge rusher not a QB.
You just keep the BS flowing.

In comment 14410221 Big Blue Blogger said:

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As for #1, I have no issue with the "conviction" pick at #6, or with passing on Josh Allen. But if they are so high on Daniel Jones, why is there still a $17MM QB on the roster?

Maybe they feel Jones' long term development is best served by sitting and learning from Eli or not immediately being thrown to the wolves? Or maybe they think they can have a successful season this year with Eli and then transition to JOnes off a successful year? Or maybe they weren't sure how the draft would play out and someone would jump ahead and grab Jones? Lots of possibilities

In comment 14411082 ZogZerg said:

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In comment 14410909 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said: Quote: In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!" Except that’s not what’s being said. People are upset about the QB that they took, not that they took a QB. There’s a big difference Really. You are completely wrong with this. Folks wanted an Edge rusher not a QB. You just keep the BS flowing.

What are you even saying? Neither post mentioned where the QB was taken.

Eric was questioning people who wanted a QB being upset they took a QB when the case is people are upset about who the QB is not that they took one.

The conversation had nothing to do with Edge rusher vs QB it specifically about people wanting a QB and being mad. Reading comprehension isn’t hard.

got to the point where I was having a hard time rooting for the team we were putting on the field.... it almost felt anti-Giant and everything about that team was draining as a fan.

I actually feel like we have a team that I am excited to root for again. We may end up being average, but hey, I feel we are moving in the right direction and will root for these guys!

In comment 14410814 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 14410675 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year?? Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen). Let's root like hell for the kid Fans can't have it both ways. Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!" Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!"

Really? Since when? LOts of fans love talking out of both sides of their mouths. IDK, living down here in DC and seeing Redskins fans mostly gooble up the team's propaganda always used to drive me nuts. But why do we have to be the complete opposite? Many Giants fans and the media in NY just love to bitch about everything. How many times have we won and there is complaining that it was an unimpressive win or some negative spin? And I'm finding that equally frustrating. Why can't we strike a happy medium?

is receiving some 'trial by fire' as it relates to the NY media.... I guess this will be a good test to see if he can handle all the critics and assholes.

Gettleman has a good track record picking defense and those two players will be good to great barring injuries. I'd be psyched if Jones proved he could play right away, which is hard to determine