(1) The Giants drafted the QB that THEY wanted. Time will tell, but they finally bit the bullet and made the most important decision they needed to make in the rebuild process.
(2) Long-time BBIers know I love big, strong, run-stuffing defensive tackles. Lawrence is like getting Ngata or Wilfork.
(3) The CB situation on this team was dreadful. The Giants drafted their #1 rated CB.
Go pound sand if you don't like it! (This is said with love).
And you don't know that he IS going to be good. You can't state that Jones is a franchise QB as a fact.
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If Jones doesn’t work out AND the Giants up toward the top 5 of the next two drafts and can’t take Tua or Lawrence because of Jones that could potentially be disastrous.
Or do what Arizona did, right?
the thing is, according to what is believed to be the plan by most everyone, NYG are going to have no idea whether or not Jones panned out by the time they are deciding on Tua/Fromm.
For all intents and purposes, it seems they've punted on the very strong QB class of 2020. would you disagree with that?
This is a big part of my problem with the overall approach.
Because they had Dexter Lawrence rated higher, as many did.
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If Jones doesn’t work out AND the Giants up toward the top 5 of the next two drafts and can’t take Tua or Lawrence because of Jones that could potentially be disastrous.
Or do what Arizona did, right?
What if Jones works out, like Trubisky for example? Then it was a brilliant decision. You, and I, dont know. SO why state things like "Jones sucks" or "Jones won't be a good NFL QB" as fact.
Why can't folks accept this?
I accept it. I just don't see how Lawrence helps fill a hole. And I'm not about to jump off the ledge or anything, I'm completely rational about it, just I'm not jumping in drinking the kool-aid, need to be shown how the approach will help.
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If Jones doesn’t work out AND the Giants up toward the top 5 of the next two drafts and can’t take Tua or Lawrence because of Jones that could potentially be disastrous.
Or do what Arizona did, right?
Doing what Arizona isn’t a good way to do business.
Why can't folks accept this?
I think that's why most are upset with this pick. They saw one of the best defenders fall to us at #6 and we over drafted a QB at the pick. I actually think most would have understood if we didn't draft a QB this year and just picked BPA across the board.
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But thats it, you don't know Jones isn't going to be good. Its you opinion I guess, but the experts the Giants have had a different opinion. You can't state Jones stinks as a fact.
And you don't know that he IS going to be good. You can't state that Jones is a franchise QB as a fact.
Exactly my point. So we all agreed (or most of us) that we needed to take a top QB and we did. After that who knows if your preference is better than mine. We don't know, so I'm just happy the Giants picked a top QB. They have people paid to analyze these things, and they felt strong enough about this guy to pull the trigger at #6. I'm good, lets see what happens.
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But thats it, you don't know Jones isn't going to be good. Its you opinion I guess, but the experts the Giants have had a different opinion. You can't state Jones stinks as a fact.
And you don't know that he IS going to be good. You can't state that Jones is a franchise QB as a fact.
But you definitively state he wont be good? That doesnt make much sense
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No one is saying you can't criticize. I criticize the Giants all of the time. And I get slammed for doing so.
But you guys are not thinking logically. You seem to want to both draft Eli's replacement and the stud at #6. The Giants didn't think that was an option. They felt Denver or Washington (with a trade) would have nabbed Jones.
I get it man. Daniel Jones isn’t even in the same breath as the top QB’s in next years draft. And if we aren’t lying to ourselves, we know that the Giants will be in the top 15 again next year in position to draft a superior talent. That’s my gripe. Is what it is. What can you do.
But thats it, you don't know Jones isn't going to be good. Its you opinion I guess, but the experts the Giants have had a different opinion. You can't state Jones stinks as a fact.
What’s up PP? I never said Jones stinks. Or anything close to that. I said that the Giants used a premium pick on an average college QB. I don’t think you will find a soul on Earth that will tell you that Jones is in the same league as a Tua or a Fromm. Because that would be a lie.
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We don't have enough of a pass rush. We have more holes than picks.
Why can't folks accept this?
I think that's why most are upset with this pick. They saw one of the best defenders fall to us at #6 and we over drafted a QB at the pick. I actually think most would have understood if we didn't draft a QB this year and just picked BPA across the board.
I don't believe that for a second. Many people suggested that very thing here *before* the draft and were shouted down. Commonly people said that either all the Fromm's and Tua's and Herberts and Easons would suck next year and would no longer be of value or that the giants would be so far away from the top of the draft (but would still suck as a team and lose more than they won because...well, you know....Eli)) that any of 4 guys owld be unreachable by pick or trade.
I didn't say there weren't, but isn't there a lot of overlap between Hill, Tomlinson, and Lawrence?
My point is they filled a hole where there was already an option, and these three will be on the field together maybe 20 snaps a game (from what I've read)
They are treating HIM like he is some sort of war criminal.
Twitter Sucks the big one all it is a constant mud slinging contest and a left wing liberal shit hole . Thanks Jack for giving me the perma- Boot Their time is coming along with the Google Gestapo and Fake Book !
Hopefully we got another Eli with better wheels !
RE: Jones - at best 5 people or less on this site have the knowledge and experience to accurately assess which college QBs will be successful in the NFL. The rest are basically throwing a tantrum because their guy didn't get picked.
Time will tell if Jones is a franchise QB. He's in a very good position sitiing behind a consummate pro and one of the smartest and hardest working QBs in the league.
Today hoping they can find a RT and soem pass rush help.
We run a 3-4 defense. We had two quality defensive linemen. Now we have three.
We need to stop the run if we are going to rush the passer.
Last couple of years? We haven't stopped the run well enough.
There is never a grey area. Every reaction is over the top, under informed, loud and arrogant...a bad combination.
We run a 3-4 defense. We had two quality defensive linemen. Now we have three.
We need to stop the run if we are going to rush the passer.
Last couple of years? We haven't stopped the run well enough.
2 other things people overlook:
(1) The fastest path is a straight line; and
(2) QB's hate pressure in their face
Lawrence is a one-man wrecking crew in the middle. His presence will give more of a chance for our edge guys to get to the QB. We were beat too often because QB's were not knocked off their spot and could step up in the pocket to throw. Not doing that with Lawrence at NT.
My thought is, if they're really feeling like Eli is the guy, he can still do it etc etc, then wait until next year to draft a QB. I'd rather fill holes around the team, and if he actually CAN still do it, you're setting the team up for long term success. Most young QBs come in and play right away anyways, so what's the difference? I don't think there is one honestly.
I would have preferred to either trade for Rosen, or waited till next year and use most of the draft on addressing the defense. We've really concentrated on the offense and neglected the defense. We had the opportunity to draft an elite edge rusher. Now the closest we'll get to that is a guy at the end of Round 3.
Again, I'm going to root for them to win and succeed. I would like there to be consequences for failing.
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I dont get reactions that basically puts a fan in a position to root against the team/player. But we have many "fans" who do this.
Yea, people who don’t like the moves must be rooting for them to fail.
Posters like yourself rather be right than wrong. Ill give the_boss credit for at least saying he woill take the heat if Jones turns out to be the right guy.
"I’d be able to stop selling spare tickets below cost or to Cowboy fans."
Not a very bright thing to say on a Giants fan site.
My thought is, if they're really feeling like Eli is the guy, he can still do it etc etc, then wait until next year to draft a QB. I'd rather fill holes around the team, and if he actually CAN still do it, you're setting the team up for long term success. Most young QBs come in and play right away anyways, so what's the difference? I don't think there is one honestly.
I would have preferred to either trade for Rosen, or waited till next year and use most of the draft on addressing the defense. We've really concentrated on the offense and neglected the defense. We had the opportunity to draft an elite edge rusher. Now the closest we'll get to that is a guy at the end of Round 3.
Again, I'm going to root for them to win and succeed. I would like there to be consequences for failing.
Most young guys play right away, but last year outside of Baker Mayfield, none of the first round QB's improved their team. Every other team that played a rookie QB had a worse draft position in 2019. If Jones proves he is ready that is one thing, but I would rather not put on the added pressure of having to be ready for Week 1 of the Regular Season.
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Eric, love the Lawrence and Baker picks. With Jones, we will just have to wait and see, that is the thing with this pick. A lot of it rides on how good the team is and what Eli is doing. For example...what if we are good this year? Do they extend Eli another year??
Jones - we will see if he turns out to be good, but the weird thing is that there doesn't seem to be any way he gets onto the field in 2019 UNLESS Eli gets hurt or is just laughably bad (which...could happen).
Let's root like hell for the kid
Fans can't have it both ways.
Thursday: "We need a new QB to replace Eli!!!"
Friday: "Why the (blank) did we draft a QB??!!"
And then there were those of us who said, "We don't need to find Eli's replacement this year." There were those of us who still think we can win with Eli, and would have preferred to build a better team around him, and what's more, we were led to believe that the FO felt the same way.
But that's the point Sy'56 made when he advocated not drafting a QB this year...that you can find QB's of this caliber available every year.
I watch plenty of college football. It's going to be a lonely platform you're on if you think Tua, Herbert, Fromm, Costello, and possibly Eason aren't going to be seen as vastly more impressive than this QB class from either a physical, performance, or experience standpoint.
There's no Andrew Luck in either group, but I'm not sure how anything other than your personal opinion can support this QB class not being significantly weaker than next year's prospective group.
As for Jones the only reason i was mad last night was because i wanted allen, but that is not to say i didnt like Jones...
I thi k Jones cam be the future here..