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The Official Yay or Nay Daniel Jones thread

TheGhostofBlueGuy : 4/26/2019 10:07 am
I'd like everybody to post their official position on the Daniel Jones pick. There are so many naysayers here and I'd like to be able to keep track of who hates him and who doesn't. Because when he pans out, I don't want the revisionist historians come back and say 'Oh, he was my guy.'

There is a lot of that on this board. For the record, he was the quarterback that I wanted at 17. I don't care that they took him at 6. I see a lot that I like with him and think he'll be a 10-year starter, at a minimum. He will win a lot of playoff games. Get on the record today so you can't bs later as to whether or not you liked him.
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RE: What QB did I want....you mean, this year?  
The_Boss : 4/26/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14410317 Greg from LI said:
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I didn't really want any of then because it's not a particularly inspiring group of options, and I've been saying that all year. When you have Tagolaivoa and Fromm heading next year's class, passing on elite pass rushers to reach for a QB this year makes no sense.


I said the day after round 1 LAST YEAR this year’s QB’s we’re going to be poor. I’ve also said to friends, as a joke, last year was the year to take a QB and they passed which naturally means they’ll take one in this down cycle...I never thought they’d really do this...until last night.
RE: I'm really torn on this  
PatersonPlank : 4/26/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14410310 cjac said:
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i feel like if they got him at 17 i'd be thrilled

but at 6 i'm pissed off


If he's the guy you want you grab him, especially at QB, and especially if you think Denver/Cincy/Wash also want him. The media gets into this "get him at 17 vs 6" mindset, but its not really practical. You can't predict what will happen, so you look at who is available when you pick. In 2 years when he's starting and looking good, no one will remember where he went in the 1st rd.
RE: RE: What QB did I want....you mean, this year?  
The_Boss : 4/26/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14410347 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14410317 Greg from LI said:


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I didn't really want any of then because it's not a particularly inspiring group of options, and I've been saying that all year. When you have Tagolaivoa and Fromm heading next year's class, passing on elite pass rushers to reach for a QB this year makes no sense.



I said the day after round 1 LAST YEAR this year’s QB’s we’re going to be poor. I’ve also said to friends, as a joke, last year was the year to take a QB and they passed which naturally means they’ll take one in this down cycle...I never thought they’d really do this...until last night.


Were, not we’re.
Yay  
Fred-in-Florida : 4/26/2019 10:49 am : link
I would have like Allen at 6.But I'm going to support him and hope he turns out to be someone we can hang or hat on.
Here's an idea dep  
Mike from Ohio : 4/26/2019 10:49 am : link
Why don't you worry more about expressing your own opinion and less on telling everyone else what their opinion ought to be?

It is insufferable that you still insist this board should be filled with people who all think exactly like you do. It's ok for people who are not professional scouts to have opinions about draft picks instead of always saying "Well golly the Giants scouts are professionals so I will be happy with anything and everything they do because they know better!"
I did express my opinion  
dep026 : 4/26/2019 10:50 am : link
Thank you.
RE: RE: No.  
Tesla : 4/26/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14410202 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:
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In comment 14410100 Tesla said:


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No fucking way.



Please be specific as to why.


I could spend a long time telling you why....but maybe just go read Sy's report on him.

His upside is a game manager. We just drafted Case Keenum with the 6th overall pick.
RE: RE: RE: No.  
The_Boss : 4/26/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14410391 Tesla said:
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In comment 14410202 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:


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In comment 14410100 Tesla said:


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No fucking way.



Please be specific as to why.



I could spend a long time telling you why....but maybe just go read Sy's report on him.

His upside is a game manager. We just drafted Case Keenum with the 6th overall pick.


Very depressing if this is how it all turns out.
RE: RE: RE: No.  
Section331 : 4/26/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14410391 Tesla said:
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His upside is a game manager. We just drafted Case Keenum with the 6th overall pick.


I disagree. At least Keenum is accurate.
RE: See this is where I laugh at BBI  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/26/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14410175 dep026 said:
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Everyone wanted a new QB
Everyone wanted a mobile one

Now that we have one, we are bitchign and complaining cause we took him too early, he didnt compile stats, he didnt look great against a team 2 years ago, etc...

It should be unanimous cause in reality how many people here can say for certainity they know the QB positon. I would be my house its less than 1%. So when someone who watches youtube videos, not even full games, and tells me what a person can or cannot do, well I will kidnly disregard them. When peopel reference PFF and other stats that uses euqations and formualas how to judge QBs - I will kindly disregard it.


Quit bashing posters because you don’t agree with them. This isn’t fucking North Korea where everyone just takes what’s given to them. Your posts are part of this problem.
Nay  
jeff57 : 4/26/2019 10:58 am : link
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RE: RE: See this is where I laugh at BBI  
dep026 : 4/26/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14410429 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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In comment 14410175 dep026 said:


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Everyone wanted a new QB
Everyone wanted a mobile one

Now that we have one, we are bitchign and complaining cause we took him too early, he didnt compile stats, he didnt look great against a team 2 years ago, etc...

It should be unanimous cause in reality how many people here can say for certainity they know the QB positon. I would be my house its less than 1%. So when someone who watches youtube videos, not even full games, and tells me what a person can or cannot do, well I will kidnly disregard them. When peopel reference PFF and other stats that uses euqations and formualas how to judge QBs - I will kindly disregard it.



Quit bashing posters because you don’t agree with them. This isn’t fucking North Korea where everyone just takes what’s given to them. Your posts are part of this problem.


No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem.
My concerns with Jones:  
Section331 : 4/26/2019 11:00 am : link
he played in a QB friendly offense with a QB guru coach, struggled to complete 60% of his passes, yet only averaged around 6 YPA. Which means his lack of accuracy wasn't due to throwing downfield a lot.

Like I said, I'll root like hell for him, but I don't see a 6th pick in the guy.
RE: My concerns with Jones:  
dep026 : 4/26/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14410446 Section331 said:
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he played in a QB friendly offense with a QB guru coach, struggled to complete 60% of his passes, yet only averaged around 6 YPA. Which means his lack of accuracy wasn't due to throwing downfield a lot.

Like I said, I'll root like hell for him, but I don't see a 6th pick in the guy.


People who worry about his accuracy, lets do some math.If we concentrated on dropped passes (38) and not even include catchable balls (which would make it a lot higher.) Lets say he had good WRs and they averaged a drop per game. so thats 25 more completions for Jones...

His completion percentage goes to 66.8% - what would we think about him then?
Pick a side and deal with it.  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 4/26/2019 11:02 am : link
A lot of the guys hedging their bets here.
I hope he does great  
montanagiant : 4/26/2019 11:04 am : link
But with Josh Allen sitting there I hated the pick
speaking of Josh Allen....  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2019 11:09 am : link
...no, the OTHER Josh Allen - I can remember hearing much of the same excuses being made for his pedestrian numbers last year that people have made for Jones this year. Oh, it's not that he's not accurate, it's just that he had no talent around him and his receivers couldn't catch the ball.

So then Allen starts 11 games for the Bills last year....and completes 52% of his passes, because he's not an accurate passer.
hate the pick,  
Shirk130 : 4/26/2019 11:12 am : link
but if we're going to use the 6th pick in the draft on a QB he can not sit on his ass for three years! I love Eli, and still think he can play, but there is now no reason for him to be on the roster. Jones needs to play.
RE: RE: RE: RE: No.  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/26/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14410427 Section331 said:
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In comment 14410391 Tesla said:


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His upside is a game manager. We just drafted Case Keenum with the 6th overall pick.



I disagree. At least Keenum is accurate.

He's a mobile physical Tom Brady!
I wanted D and a QB, so YAY for me  
Shecky : 4/26/2019 11:13 am : link
I'm a throwback to Defense and running, even though the game has evolved away from that. Which is also why I think the way teams are designed today, they would have an incredible difficult time playing against a team built like the old Giants, or peak Ravens.

Because of that, I wanted this draft to be the start of the defensive rebuild. I don't care WHO they draft, I just want a certain style of player. And they drafted 3/3 of the types of players I like. Re: Jones, my opinion is the way they are building this team you don't want a gunslinger. A Bledsoe or Marino type. You also don't want a Vick or RG3 style QB either. You want a Flacco, or Matt Ryan. A good smart QB who knows how to win. I trust the brainstrust to pick the specific players to fit the profile - but I am very happy the profile is leaning back to tough football players.
I have zero reason to say nay  
Rocky369 : 4/26/2019 11:16 am : link
he hasn't stepped foot on the field yet. Since the Giants showed conviction in the guy, I'm good for it. As far as BBI the last 15 hours - big fat NAY
Nay  
idiotsavant : 4/26/2019 11:16 am : link
Pair any of:

Oliver/Allen or Wilkins with:

Dexter Lawrence and Hill

- or even Bush or White, or even the OT
Nay  
trueblueinpw : 4/26/2019 11:22 am : link
This guy is Dave Brown part d’oh. Should have taken Allen and another defensive player at 17 and traded for Rosen today. Not sure any of the stuff past taking Allen is possible, but Jones is a miss and won’t pan out in the NFL. It’s just unfathomable to me that DG took a guy who had a middling career (at best) at a middling program (at best) with the 6th over all pick.
Big nay  
weeg in the bronx : 4/26/2019 11:30 am : link
Forget Manning for a second, if needed could this guy start day one? I think the answer to that is no - he is not prepared to start in the NFL in September. You do not draft based on potential or draft a project at six.
Nay  
Banks : 4/26/2019 11:32 am : link
I'll be rooting for him like hell, but that doesn't change the fact I think he will be terrible.
Nay  
Dave in PA : 4/26/2019 11:36 am : link
Not to say I think he’s terrible or will fail abysmally, but there were better players available there. I can understand the pick, I just don’t love it.
A Big Yay  
pa_giant_fan : 4/26/2019 11:39 am : link
A very big Yay
RE: RE: My concerns with Jones:  
Section331 : 4/26/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14410471 dep026 said:
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People who worry about his accuracy, lets do some math.If we concentrated on dropped passes (38) and not even include catchable balls (which would make it a lot higher.) Lets say he had good WRs and they averaged a drop per game. so thats 25 more completions for Jones...

His completion percentage goes to 66.8% - what would we think about him then?


You can do this with anybody, what QB doesn't get drops? 38 drops means he has a 10% drop rate, which isn't terrible (Lock's was about the same, but he averaged over 2 more yds per attempt, and I didn't want Lock at #6 either). 13 drops would be, by far, the lowest amount in NCAA.
Nay  
jtfuoco : 4/26/2019 12:07 pm : link
Let's be honest if he was a part of last year's QB class the guy goes in the 3rd round. Now when the team sucks again this season we pass on the QBs coming out next year as well and maybe in 21 waiting to see if this guy pans out. It's a terrible pick on every level and my guess a force pick from ownership feeling pressure from the fans and media to do something about the position. Thus team despertly needed a pass rusher and comes away with 3 first rounders not a single one
Nay  
islander1 : 4/26/2019 12:25 pm : link
Even at 17. There's nothing I've read or seen that demonstrates he'll be anything more than a mediocre starting QB at best in the league.

Nothing. This entire QB draft this season sucked.
Was not thrilled at the time of the pick.  
Beezer : 4/26/2019 12:28 pm : link
Or by the time the round ended.

Reading and looking at more today, I'm less not thrilled.

I want to believe. I'll sit back and be patient, because I'm in the camp that did not want to draft a QB with the idea he'd play this season, but instead, get a look carrying Eli's clipboard. Looks like that's what we got, so ... I'm choosing optimism.

The Gil Brandt article/opinion helps. That's not nothing.
RE: RE: RE: See this is where I laugh at BBI  
Mike from Ohio : 4/26/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14410437 dep026 said:
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No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem.


So the problem is everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion expressing their own?

You're not a dumb guy dep, but you are probably the most closed minded, intolerant person in this forum.
I Hope He Becomes an All Time Great  
Jim in Tampa : 4/26/2019 12:45 pm : link
And I'll root for him to succeed, because Jones is a Giant and I am a Giants fan.

But he was the wrong pick at 6.
RE: RE: RE: RE: See this is where I laugh at BBI  
PatersonPlank : 4/26/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14410998 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 14410437 dep026 said:


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No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem.



So the problem is everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion expressing their own?

You're not a dumb guy dep, but you are probably the most closed minded, intolerant person in this forum.


I think the issue is not having a differing opinion, its the over the top comments and accusations. Calling DG names, attacking Jones or any poster who supports the pick, etc. Its one thing to say I would have picked Allen, thats fine, its another to start calling the Giants and other posters morons
can't say  
Thegratefulhead : 4/26/2019 12:54 pm : link
Can I like the person and root for him but hate the pick in this specific situation? That's where I am today.

DG has to be right though. This is NY. He talked a lot of shit about QB hell and not forcing the pick. I like the bravado, really, I do. This is NY, you better back that shit up or "QB hell" is going to run him and Shurmur out of town.

It's not just one quote, he spoke over and over and over about having to right about a QB. DG and Shurmur did not look so happy at the conference last night. Wasn't crazy about the body language or energy for either of them.

I know they are tired, but they just drafted the heir apparent. They just got their guy right? 2 years, 2 high round picks and this is the guy they chose. I expected a little more oomph out of them.

What scares me is this all speculation. There is no production, winning or measurables to lean on. This is, he had bad players, faced adversity, a QB guru coach and a whole lot of faith and projection that he will be a better pro than a college player. It just doesn't mesh with the you have get the QB pick right mantra I have been hearing for over a year. I am scared.
Yea  
JoeMoney19 : 4/26/2019 12:56 pm : link
and it's about time somebody spelled it correctly.
Yay in general  
GothamGiants : 4/26/2019 12:56 pm : link
Nay over Josh Allen
Nay  
Larry from WV : 4/26/2019 12:57 pm : link
Better players available and better QBs available next year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: See this is where I laugh at BBI  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/26/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14410998 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 14410437 dep026 said:


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No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem.



So the problem is everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion expressing their own?

You're not a dumb guy dep, but you are probably the most closed minded, intolerant person in this forum.


That’s for damn sure
Completion %  
Thegratefulhead : 4/26/2019 1:01 pm : link
Most QBs completion percentage goes down in the pros. It's not like he was pushing the ball downfield. He was 60.5% dinking and dunking. It does not make us bad fans to question this pick at 6 with J Allen on the board.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: See this is where I laugh at BBI  
Thegratefulhead : 4/26/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14411112 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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In comment 14410998 Mike from Ohio said:


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In comment 14410437 dep026 said:


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No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem.



So the problem is everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion expressing their own?

You're not a dumb guy dep, but you are probably the most closed minded, intolerant person in this forum.



That’s for damn sure
true
I don't know  
FranchiseQB : 4/26/2019 1:03 pm : link
if Jones will ever be good but you want your team to have a conviction about a QB and go get him. If they love Jones, spending the #6 pick is a must. It seems they love him. A lot of people doubt it will work out. I'm cautiously hopeful.
RE: RE: RE: RE: See this is where I laugh at BBI  
dep026 : 4/26/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14410998 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 14410437 dep026 said:


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No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem.



So the problem is everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion expressing their own?

You're not a dumb guy dep, but you are probably the most closed minded, intolerant person in this forum.


I am closed minded? After reading all the reactions and childish marks towards jones and DG and the Mara's .... I am the close minded one?

Thats rich.
A more global NO  
WideRight : 4/26/2019 1:12 pm : link
Poor guy is joining an organization that reaches big time with draft picks and squanders opportunities, then overpays free agents to fill the holes they couldn't without better use of resources.

So the guy is who he is, not highly rated by Sy, and certainly not capable of overcoming the organizations flaws, which would be necessary in order to get a 5th SB Trophy.

So no rings in the future means no thanks, even though its not entirely his fault
RE: I Hope He Becomes an All Time Great  
Section331 : 4/26/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14411054 Jim in Tampa said:
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And I'll root for him to succeed, because Jones is a Giant and I am a Giants fan.

But he was the wrong pick at 6.


My feelings exactly.
Nay at 6  
HomerJones45 : 4/26/2019 1:33 pm : link
He wasn't so blindingly obvious a talent that you couldn't take Allen at 6 and gamble that Jones would be there at 17. If he wasn't, what's the big deal, you take another defensive player and you have two first round defenders for a defense that desperately needed a talent infusion at multiple positions.
Conflicted  
joeinpa : 4/26/2019 1:35 pm : link


I ve wanted the next guy here, I want to be excited. But if I m being truthful it s hard to be totally behind it when 95% of the reporting on it today is negative. Can they all be wrong? Hope so.
RE: I Hope He Becomes an All Time Great  
Ryan in Albany : 4/26/2019 1:37 pm : link


But he was the wrong pick at 6. [/quote]

Gettleman and Shurmur say he's the right pick and that's all that matters.
RE: Conflicted  
dep026 : 4/26/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14411265 joeinpa said:
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I ve wanted the next guy here, I want to be excited. But if I m being truthful it s hard to be totally behind it when 95% of the reporting on it today is negative. Can they all be wrong? Hope so.


If its 95% of the average fan saying he sucks - time to get excited!
Yes  
5BowlsSoon : 4/26/2019 2:04 pm : link
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