The Official Yay or Nay Daniel Jones thread

I am fine with it I hope he is great. On we go.

If he succeeds, I have no problem if you or anyone else for that matter throw it back in my mug.

It a chance type of vibe here.

And it should be unanimous.

Wanted Allen but they love Jones. They stick to their board and didn't play around.

That's life.
I like the player

He's smart and tough.

In comment 14410061 Oscar said:

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I am fine with it I hope he is great. On we go.

Me too, brother. He had nothing at Duke and is as tough as nails. Accurate as an intermediate passer which is what the RPO offense is predicated on.

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he can't be a top QB. Why would Haskins be better?

but if he is there at 37 tonight I'd take a shot

Even if it is short-lived. Thank you.

Great first round last night
3 good ball players on day 1 that fill big needs

I wasn't happy at first. He's growing on me as time goes on. I've read some encouraging articles and watched some college games with him in action. I trust PS in developing him.

damn, I really wanted Josh Allen. First time ive ever turned the draft off.

However, with blood pressure normalized and time to reflect, forgetting about Allen and focusing on the kid himself, im gonna trust the scouts; they obviously see something there. So im gonna root like hell for him, and keep up hope that we find a pass rusher and OT somewhere in this draft.

In comment 14410079 Greg from LI said:

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Great gif. Even if I disagree. It made me laugh.

No fucking way.

for me.

In comment 14410073 Ira said:

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He's smart and tough.

Thank you, Ira. I've always respected your opinion.

In comment 14410068 dep026 said:

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And it should be unanimous.

All opinions of who the Giants picked should be unanimously positive? God, it must suck for you to live in a world where people have unique thoughts and opinions.

Didn't love the pick at the time but I am rooting like hell for Jones to be the real deal.

In comment 14410068 dep026 said:

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And it should be unanimous.

"Danny,this isn't Russia! .....is this Russia?"

I'll be sure to run all my opinions by you for approval in the future.

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I want a new GM, but not DG
I want a new QB, but not Jones
I want a new DT, but not Lawrence

Wah wah wah

We are not a playoff team but will probably be better and maybe 7 wins, yes even without Odell. We will not be in position to draft high for a QB next year and no one can say how the potential 20 QBs will look next year. Also maybe more competition for QBs next year.

I will root for him for sure but I’m not sold on him. I truthfully pegged him as a late 2nd Round talent. I hope I’m wrong. I’ll be glad if I am.

I didn’t love Haskins either but had him higher than Jones.

I would have taken Oliver or Allen and worked to rebuild the defense in massive fell swoop and then addressed QB with Rosen or next offseason.

No doubt this front office and head coach have their legacy and future riding on Jones.

I'm in. No turning back now.

Laughingstock of the NFL.

we need the dues...

Eli 2.0... Eli with Wheels... will he have the clutch gene is the only question I have?

It's gonna hurt worse when we go 5-11 this year and pass on better QBs at the top of next year's draft.

He is going to be a top 10 QB in the league - year 3.

I can dream, right.

Nay on keeping Eli and drafting a QB at #6. A top ten pick shouldn't need a $17MM babysitter. If the kid needs a year to learn, fine - the Giants can lose even more effectively with Lauletta or Tanney than they have done with Manning since mid-2012.

Would not have done it this way, but he's my QB now. I want him to succeed.

Everyone wanted a new QB
Everyone wanted a mobile one

Now that we have one, we are bitchign and complaining cause we took him too early, he didnt compile stats, he didnt look great against a team 2 years ago, etc...

It should be unanimous cause in reality how many people here can say for certainity they know the QB positon. I would be my house its less than 1%. So when someone who watches youtube videos, not even full games, and tells me what a person can or cannot do, well I will kidnly disregard them. When peopel reference PFF and other stats that uses euqations and formualas how to judge QBs - I will kindly disregard it.

but that doesn't mean I hate him.

He's our QB and I am done being disappointed. Guys it's time to support our new QB because bitching about it won't accomplish anything.

I’m a Giants fan and I root for the laundry.

In comment 14410173 Chris in Philly said:

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Would not have done it this way, but he's my QB now. I want him to succeed.

Post and picture sum up my feelings perfectly. Well done

In comment 14410100 Tesla said:

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No fucking way.

Please be specific as to why.

... unless/until it's nay.

Two wants from me.

A) I hope Eli kills it this year, to make all the "Eli is done" whiny babies to look very stupid.

B) I want Daniel Jones to kick ass for the next 15 years to make all the "Jones sucks he's baby Eli, Eli is done, we should have drafted Darnold over Saquon" whiny babies to look even more stupid.

But I hope he pans out.

In comment 14410113 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14410068 dep026 said: Quote: And it should be unanimous. "Danny,this isn't Russia! .....is this Russia?" I'll be sure to run all my opinions by you for approval in the future.

Don't be a chooch, Mike. It would be nice to have everybody on the record.

Shocked when the commish didnt say josh allen at 6 but that means that DG and PS LOVED Jones. and they know a shit ton more than i do about this stuff. Trust them.

DG’s answers during his presser were downright terrifying. Thought the Big 10 OPY played in the Big 12, and then had to ask if the Big 12 was still around. He talked about how important it was to see QBs play live, and then said he saw Jones play live for 3 SERIES OF THE FUCKING SENIOR BOWL!!

I fear DG is slipping, and I remain very concerned about the near term future of this franchise.

...I trust climatologists with climate science...

...I trust Giant GM's with the draft, until they prove they suck.

So I'm a YAY.

In comment 14410175 dep026 said:

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Everyone wanted a new QB Everyone wanted a mobile one Now that we have one, we are bitchign and complaining cause we took him too early, he didnt compile stats, he didnt look great against a team 2 years ago, etc... It should be unanimous cause in reality how many people here can say for certainity they know the QB positon. I would be my house its less than 1%. So when someone who watches youtube videos, not even full games, and tells me what a person can or cannot do, well I will kidnly disregard them. When peopel reference PFF and other stats that uses euqations and formualas how to judge QBs - I will kindly disregard it.

I wanted a new QB who is, y'know, good.

I've watched Daniel Jones play several entire games and not once did I ever think "Damn, this guy is going to be a future top ten pick!"

In the three games I watched the closest (by far), know what Jones did?

33-54, 324, 1 TD 5 INT
14-42, 124, 1 TD 2 INT, which I had the pleasure of seeing in person. Hoos whupped that ass.
22-40, 240, 1 TD 2 INT

And you can huff and puff about supporting casts all you want - he wasn't playing Bama or Clemson in those games. That was against my goddamned Hoos, who before last year have been one of the biggest laughingstocks in college football, and they've owned his ass.

QB Hell

But I agree with Blogger - Eli should be out the door. Jones should be starting week 1. The strategy is poor.

But the Giants aren't working objectively with Eli, so they were never going to do this the right way.

...but as I mentioned on another thread, Daniel Jones is an athletic QB who becomes his own "pass protector," meaning pass rushers must respect that he can slip out of the pocket and gouge them with his legs. No disrespect for Eli, but defenders just salivate and drool when he drops back to pass and do not give one shit if they are reckless in how they attack him. That will stop the moment Daniel Jones takes the field;

But he does seem like a coach's dream

I'll trust the process and hope he can take over sooner rather than later.

seems that he is the guy they all wanted and didn't want to lose him by risking him to a later pick. In that case they have to take him.

Seems like a good smart hard working tough kid who has accuracy and Mobility. And I’m glad there is a light to the end of the tunnel to the Eli era. It was a reach at 6 but if he’s the Giants starter for 10 years and brings us back to happier winning football then it will be a success

Jones at 17 or a slight trade-up, cool. Jones at 6 with Allen on the board, not so much.
Very much like Eli's situation in college. Bad O-line and playmakers, but he carried them to more wins than expected. Not Eli's arm strength, but good accuracy. He has good escapability, and is a plus runner. Tough kid. Hope he's as cerebral and as hard a worker as advertised. Hope he's more Peyton than Dave Brown. He will have a year with Eli, which will help. But we're gonna' suck for at least two more years. At least there's Saquon.
I would have traded for Rosen or held out until next year.

I feel if the Giants felt so highly about Jones to invest the 6th overall pick in him, there should be a legitimate QB competition for the starting spot.

If this is the case I have no problem with the pick.

Not @6 with Allen sitting there...

In comment 14410238 Go Terps said:

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But I agree with Blogger - Eli should be out the door. Jones should be starting week 1. The strategy is poor. But the Giants aren't working objectively with Eli, so they were never going to do this the right way.

Jesus tap-dancing Christ, it's one fucking year.

Would you wager your house or mortgage on him becoming great and be worthy of the 6th pick?

In comment 14410274 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 14410238 Go Terps said: Quote: But I agree with Blogger - Eli should be out the door. Jones should be starting week 1. The strategy is poor. But the Giants aren't working objectively with Eli, so they were never going to do this the right way. Jesus tap-dancing Christ, it's one fucking year.

I'll believe that when I see it.

In comment 14410232 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14410175 dep026 said: Quote: Everyone wanted a new QB Everyone wanted a mobile one Now that we have one, we are bitchign and complaining cause we took him too early, he didnt compile stats, he didnt look great against a team 2 years ago, etc... It should be unanimous cause in reality how many people here can say for certainity they know the QB positon. I would be my house its less than 1%. So when someone who watches youtube videos, not even full games, and tells me what a person can or cannot do, well I will kidnly disregard them. When peopel reference PFF and other stats that uses euqations and formualas how to judge QBs - I will kindly disregard it. I wanted a new QB who is, y'know, good. I've watched Daniel Jones play several entire games and not once did I ever think "Damn, this guy is going to be a future top ten pick!" In the three games I watched the closest (by far), know what Jones did? 33-54, 324, 1 TD 5 INT 14-42, 124, 1 TD 2 INT, which I had the pleasure of seeing in person. Hoos whupped that ass. 22-40, 240, 1 TD 2 INT And you can huff and puff about supporting casts all you want - he wasn't playing Bama or Clemson in those games. That was against my goddamned Hoos, who before last year have been one of the biggest laughingstocks in college football, and they've owned his ass.

Ok so this is a personal thing. Since he struggled against UVA... that means his future has been determined.

And what “good” QB do you want?

nay nay nay nay x 10000

Ask me in 5 years.

Jones played for Cutcliffe for 3 years. He was very well coached, and I imagine that's the source of most of his appeal to the Giants. The flip side to that is that there really isn't the kind of room for growth that you'd typically find in a rookie QB. His limitations are limitations in natural talent and ability, so really how much is him sitting for 2 or 3 years going to benefit him?

Even his name is boring but I hope he is the second coming of Brady

Lately has been Luck. But everyone and their grandmother knew that. The highest I've been on a qb since then is Marcus Mediocreotta and we'll there it is. Especially at qb, I defer to the FO as Yogi said 90% of this game is half mental. Hopefully DG proves us wrong with this Apple-Tannehill-Trubisky like pick. At least we didn't trade up for him XD

Nails it!

But I feel DG blinked and folded in the draft....to Snyder, which is costing Jones abuse that he does not deserve.

i feel like if they got him at 17 i'd be thrilled

but at 6 i'm pissed off

but he is a Giant now, so I am now a big fan and will root for his success until he proves otherwise. I remember when Phil Simms was picked, the general response from Giants fans was "Who?". Time will tell what Jones becomes. DG and company are professionals who do this for a living, so for now I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

I didn't really want any of then because it's not a particularly inspiring group of options, and I've been saying that all year. When you have Tagolaivoa and Fromm heading next year's class, passing on elite pass rushers to reach for a QB this year makes no sense.

I wouldn't have picked him there, but if DG and Shurmur liked him enough, then I'm glad they had the conviction to do it there.

In comment 14410317 Greg from LI said:

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I didn't really want any of then because it's not a particularly inspiring group of options, and I've been saying that all year. When you have Tagolaivoa and Fromm heading next year's class, passing on elite pass rushers to reach for a QB this year makes no sense.

And you may be right. I got a feeling come next year we will hear all their faults too.

But the fact is posters are making this guy look incompetent. He’s not.

And though Manning vs Leaf was up for debate XD. So I can't really get triggered over this, but damn Allen and Hockenson were taken right after.

In comment 14410317 Greg from LI said:

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I didn't really want any of then because it's not a particularly inspiring group of options, and I've been saying that all year. When you have Tagolaivoa and Fromm heading next year's class, passing on elite pass rushers to reach for a QB this year makes no sense.

I said the day after round 1 LAST YEAR this year’s QB’s we’re going to be poor. I’ve also said to friends, as a joke, last year was the year to take a QB and they passed which naturally means they’ll take one in this down cycle...I never thought they’d really do this...until last night.

In comment 14410310 cjac said:

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i feel like if they got him at 17 i'd be thrilled but at 6 i'm pissed off

If he's the guy you want you grab him, especially at QB, and especially if you think Denver/Cincy/Wash also want him. The media gets into this "get him at 17 vs 6" mindset, but its not really practical. You can't predict what will happen, so you look at who is available when you pick. In 2 years when he's starting and looking good, no one will remember where he went in the 1st rd.

In comment 14410347 The_Boss said:

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In comment 14410317 Greg from LI said: Quote: I didn't really want any of then because it's not a particularly inspiring group of options, and I've been saying that all year. When you have Tagolaivoa and Fromm heading next year's class, passing on elite pass rushers to reach for a QB this year makes no sense. I said the day after round 1 LAST YEAR this year’s QB’s we’re going to be poor. I’ve also said to friends, as a joke, last year was the year to take a QB and they passed which naturally means they’ll take one in this down cycle...I never thought they’d really do this...until last night.

Were, not we’re.

I would have like Allen at 6.But I'm going to support him and hope he turns out to be someone we can hang or hat on.

Why don't you worry more about expressing your own opinion and less on telling everyone else what their opinion ought to be?

It is insufferable that you still insist this board should be filled with people who all think exactly like you do. It's ok for people who are not professional scouts to have opinions about draft picks instead of always saying "Well golly the Giants scouts are professionals so I will be happy with anything and everything they do because they know better!"

Thank you.

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In comment 14410100 Tesla said: Quote: No fucking way. Please be specific as to why.

I could spend a long time telling you why....but maybe just go read Sy's report on him.

His upside is a game manager. We just drafted Case Keenum with the 6th overall pick.

In comment 14410391 Tesla said:

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In comment 14410202 TheGhostofBlueGuy said: Quote: In comment 14410100 Tesla said: Quote: No fucking way. Please be specific as to why. I could spend a long time telling you why....but maybe just go read Sy's report on him. His upside is a game manager. We just drafted Case Keenum with the 6th overall pick.

Very depressing if this is how it all turns out.

In comment 14410391 Tesla said:

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His upside is a game manager. We just drafted Case Keenum with the 6th overall pick.

I disagree. At least Keenum is accurate.

In comment 14410175 dep026 said:

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Everyone wanted a new QB Everyone wanted a mobile one Now that we have one, we are bitchign and complaining cause we took him too early, he didnt compile stats, he didnt look great against a team 2 years ago, etc... It should be unanimous cause in reality how many people here can say for certainity they know the QB positon. I would be my house its less than 1%. So when someone who watches youtube videos, not even full games, and tells me what a person can or cannot do, well I will kidnly disregard them. When peopel reference PFF and other stats that uses euqations and formualas how to judge QBs - I will kindly disregard it.

Quit bashing posters because you don’t agree with them. This isn’t fucking North Korea where everyone just takes what’s given to them. Your posts are part of this problem.

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In comment 14410429 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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In comment 14410175 dep026 said: Quote: Everyone wanted a new QB Everyone wanted a mobile one Now that we have one, we are bitchign and complaining cause we took him too early, he didnt compile stats, he didnt look great against a team 2 years ago, etc... It should be unanimous cause in reality how many people here can say for certainity they know the QB positon. I would be my house its less than 1%. So when someone who watches youtube videos, not even full games, and tells me what a person can or cannot do, well I will kidnly disregard them. When peopel reference PFF and other stats that uses euqations and formualas how to judge QBs - I will kindly disregard it. Quit bashing posters because you don’t agree with them. This isn’t fucking North Korea where everyone just takes what’s given to them. Your posts are part of this problem.

No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem.

he played in a QB friendly offense with a QB guru coach, struggled to complete 60% of his passes, yet only averaged around 6 YPA. Which means his lack of accuracy wasn't due to throwing downfield a lot.

Like I said, I'll root like hell for him, but I don't see a 6th pick in the guy.

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he played in a QB friendly offense with a QB guru coach, struggled to complete 60% of his passes, yet only averaged around 6 YPA. Which means his lack of accuracy wasn't due to throwing downfield a lot. Like I said, I'll root like hell for him, but I don't see a 6th pick in the guy.

People who worry about his accuracy, lets do some math.If we concentrated on dropped passes (38) and not even include catchable balls (which would make it a lot higher.) Lets say he had good WRs and they averaged a drop per game. so thats 25 more completions for Jones...

His completion percentage goes to 66.8% - what would we think about him then?

A lot of the guys hedging their bets here.

But with Josh Allen sitting there I hated the pick

...no, the OTHER Josh Allen - I can remember hearing much of the same excuses being made for his pedestrian numbers last year that people have made for Jones this year. Oh, it's not that he's not accurate, it's just that he had no talent around him and his receivers couldn't catch the ball.

So then Allen starts 11 games for the Bills last year....and completes 52% of his passes, because he's not an accurate passer.

but if we're going to use the 6th pick in the draft on a QB he can not sit on his ass for three years! I love Eli, and still think he can play, but there is now no reason for him to be on the roster. Jones needs to play.

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In comment 14410391 Tesla said: Quote: His upside is a game manager. We just drafted Case Keenum with the 6th overall pick. I disagree. At least Keenum is accurate.

He's a mobile physical Tom Brady!

I'm a throwback to Defense and running, even though the game has evolved away from that. Which is also why I think the way teams are designed today, they would have an incredible difficult time playing against a team built like the old Giants, or peak Ravens.

Because of that, I wanted this draft to be the start of the defensive rebuild. I don't care WHO they draft, I just want a certain style of player. And they drafted 3/3 of the types of players I like. Re: Jones, my opinion is the way they are building this team you don't want a gunslinger. A Bledsoe or Marino type. You also don't want a Vick or RG3 style QB either. You want a Flacco, or Matt Ryan. A good smart QB who knows how to win. I trust the brainstrust to pick the specific players to fit the profile - but I am very happy the profile is leaning back to tough football players.

he hasn't stepped foot on the field yet. Since the Giants showed conviction in the guy, I'm good for it. As far as BBI the last 15 hours - big fat NAY

Pair any of:

Oliver/Allen or Wilkins with:

Dexter Lawrence and Hill

- or even Bush or White, or even the OT

This guy is Dave Brown part d’oh. Should have taken Allen and another defensive player at 17 and traded for Rosen today. Not sure any of the stuff past taking Allen is possible, but Jones is a miss and won’t pan out in the NFL. It’s just unfathomable to me that DG took a guy who had a middling career (at best) at a middling program (at best) with the 6th over all pick.

Forget Manning for a second, if needed could this guy start day one? I think the answer to that is no - he is not prepared to start in the NFL in September. You do not draft based on potential or draft a project at six.

I'll be rooting for him like hell, but that doesn't change the fact I think he will be terrible.

Not to say I think he’s terrible or will fail abysmally, but there were better players available there. I can understand the pick, I just don’t love it.

A very big Yay

In comment 14410471 dep026 said:

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People who worry about his accuracy, lets do some math.If we concentrated on dropped passes (38) and not even include catchable balls (which would make it a lot higher.) Lets say he had good WRs and they averaged a drop per game. so thats 25 more completions for Jones... His completion percentage goes to 66.8% - what would we think about him then?

You can do this with anybody, what QB doesn't get drops? 38 drops means he has a 10% drop rate, which isn't terrible (Lock's was about the same, but he averaged over 2 more yds per attempt, and I didn't want Lock at #6 either). 13 drops would be, by far, the lowest amount in NCAA.

Let's be honest if he was a part of last year's QB class the guy goes in the 3rd round. Now when the team sucks again this season we pass on the QBs coming out next year as well and maybe in 21 waiting to see if this guy pans out. It's a terrible pick on every level and my guess a force pick from ownership feeling pressure from the fans and media to do something about the position. Thus team despertly needed a pass rusher and comes away with 3 first rounders not a single one

Even at 17. There's nothing I've read or seen that demonstrates he'll be anything more than a mediocre starting QB at best in the league.

Nothing. This entire QB draft this season sucked.

Or by the time the round ended.

Reading and looking at more today, I'm less not thrilled.

I want to believe. I'll sit back and be patient, because I'm in the camp that did not want to draft a QB with the idea he'd play this season, but instead, get a look carrying Eli's clipboard. Looks like that's what we got, so ... I'm choosing optimism.

The Gil Brandt article/opinion helps. That's not nothing.

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No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem.

So the problem is everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion expressing their own?

You're not a dumb guy dep, but you are probably the most closed minded, intolerant person in this forum.

And I'll root for him to succeed, because Jones is a Giant and I am a Giants fan.

But he was the wrong pick at 6.

In comment 14410998 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 14410437 dep026 said: Quote: No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem. So the problem is everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion expressing their own? You're not a dumb guy dep, but you are probably the most closed minded, intolerant person in this forum.

I think the issue is not having a differing opinion, its the over the top comments and accusations. Calling DG names, attacking Jones or any poster who supports the pick, etc. Its one thing to say I would have picked Allen, thats fine, its another to start calling the Giants and other posters morons

Can I like the person and root for him but hate the pick in this specific situation? That's where I am today.

DG has to be right though. This is NY. He talked a lot of shit about QB hell and not forcing the pick. I like the bravado, really, I do. This is NY, you better back that shit up or "QB hell" is going to run him and Shurmur out of town.

It's not just one quote, he spoke over and over and over about having to right about a QB. DG and Shurmur did not look so happy at the conference last night. Wasn't crazy about the body language or energy for either of them.

I know they are tired, but they just drafted the heir apparent. They just got their guy right? 2 years, 2 high round picks and this is the guy they chose. I expected a little more oomph out of them.

What scares me is this all speculation. There is no production, winning or measurables to lean on. This is, he had bad players, faced adversity, a QB guru coach and a whole lot of faith and projection that he will be a better pro than a college player. It just doesn't mesh with the you have get the QB pick right mantra I have been hearing for over a year. I am scared.

and it's about time somebody spelled it correctly.

Nay over Josh Allen

Better players available and better QBs available next year.

In comment 14410998 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 14410437 dep026 said: Quote: No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem. So the problem is everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion expressing their own? You're not a dumb guy dep, but you are probably the most closed minded, intolerant person in this forum.

That’s for damn sure

Most QBs completion percentage goes down in the pros. It's not like he was pushing the ball downfield. He was 60.5% dinking and dunking. It does not make us bad fans to question this pick at 6 with J Allen on the board.

In comment 14411112 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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In comment 14410998 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: In comment 14410437 dep026 said: Quote: No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem. So the problem is everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion expressing their own? You're not a dumb guy dep, but you are probably the most closed minded, intolerant person in this forum. That’s for damn sure

true

if Jones will ever be good but you want your team to have a conviction about a QB and go get him. If they love Jones, spending the #6 pick is a must. It seems they love him. A lot of people doubt it will work out. I'm cautiously hopeful.

In comment 14410998 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 14410437 dep026 said: Quote: No its not. The initial reactions and opinions of the posters are pathetic. Thats the problem. So the problem is everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion expressing their own? You're not a dumb guy dep, but you are probably the most closed minded, intolerant person in this forum.

I am closed minded? After reading all the reactions and childish marks towards jones and DG and the Mara's .... I am the close minded one?

Thats rich.

Poor guy is joining an organization that reaches big time with draft picks and squanders opportunities, then overpays free agents to fill the holes they couldn't without better use of resources.

So the guy is who he is, not highly rated by Sy, and certainly not capable of overcoming the organizations flaws, which would be necessary in order to get a 5th SB Trophy.

So no rings in the future means no thanks, even though its not entirely his fault

In comment 14411054 Jim in Tampa said:

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And I'll root for him to succeed, because Jones is a Giant and I am a Giants fan. But he was the wrong pick at 6.

My feelings exactly.

He wasn't so blindingly obvious a talent that you couldn't take Allen at 6 and gamble that Jones would be there at 17. If he wasn't, what's the big deal, you take another defensive player and you have two first round defenders for a defense that desperately needed a talent infusion at multiple positions.

I ve wanted the next guy here, I want to be excited. But if I m being truthful it s hard to be totally behind it when 95% of the reporting on it today is negative. Can they all be wrong? Hope so.

But he was the wrong pick at 6. [/quote]

Gettleman and Shurmur say he's the right pick and that's all that matters.

In comment 14411265 joeinpa said:

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I ve wanted the next guy here, I want to be excited. But if I m being truthful it s hard to be totally behind it when 95% of the reporting on it today is negative. Can they all be wrong? Hope so.

If its 95% of the average fan saying he sucks - time to get excited!

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