going to shovel as much praise as he can muster on it? That's his shtick. Doesn't matter that he was dead wrong on 90% of what hes said over the last couple weeks. The time for predictions is over - now it's time to say he loves what they did.
The same guy who claimed Davis Webb was the heir apparent.
I will definitely listen in, but if anyone expects anything other than "this is the guy they wanted" or "excellent fit for the Giants system", then you will be dissappointed.
Didn't think Jones was a "pound the table" guy for Gettleman. (as in, didn't think DG liked him so much he'd pound the table and say I WANT THIS GUY!!!)
Dotino's take: Jones has touch, mobility vision and poise.
Negatives though are lack of velocity and zip on intermediate throws and lack of strong arm downfield.
I'm not down on the pick because I think Jones is going to be an Akili Smith-type bust. He's not terrible or anything. I just have never seen anything in his play that suggests he could be great. If you're taking a guy with the 6th overall pick, and passing on the kind of defenders they passed on to do so, you expect greatness. You expect a potential All-Pro QB. Don't see that in Jones at all.
I'm not down on the pick because I think Jones is going to be an Akili Smith-type bust. He's not terrible or anything. I just have never seen anything in his play that suggests he could be great. If you're taking a guy with the 6th overall pick, and passing on the kind of defenders they passed on to do so, you expect greatness. You expect a potential All-Pro QB. Don't see that in Jones at all.
I'm not down on the pick because I think Jones is going to be an Akili Smith-type bust. He's not terrible or anything. I just have never seen anything in his play that suggests he could be great. If you're taking a guy with the 6th overall pick, and passing on the kind of defenders they passed on to do so, you expect greatness. You expect a potential All-Pro QB. Don't see that in Jones at all.
Agree. Nothing special about Jones, IMO. At least physically. Very generic. But whatever.
I thought this won't take long, this is as close to a no-brainer as you can get. Then I started to think, the Giants were cooking a deal and were listening to offers. When the pick came-in and Goodell said Jones was the guy, I was completely stunned. Jones is a mobile version of Dave Brown...
I'm not down on the pick because I think Jones is going to be an Akili Smith-type bust. He's not terrible or anything. I just have never seen anything in his play that suggests he could be great. If you're taking a guy with the 6th overall pick, and passing on the kind of defenders they passed on to do so, you expect greatness. You expect a potential All-Pro QB. Don't see that in Jones at all.
This is a fair criticism and better than some of the posters last night who were saying things like "fuck Dave Gettleman". Let's not go after the kid and keep things in perspective. I felt the same way watching him, i rewatched his tape and then i listened to 360 podcast and i feel better. He takes some serious shots but always stands in there, he can move well, i just hope Mel is right when he says the arm will get a little better once he's in an NFL program.
as early as DRAFT DAY. So were a LOT of people. PD said if Josh Allen was there, he'd RUN to the podium with the selection. Schmelk GUARANTEED the Giants were NOT taking ANY QB at 6.
That said, they were all on record as saying "If the Giants LOVE a QB at 6, they should, by all means take him."
And YES, now that Jones was the pick, all of these guys -- WHO ARE ON THE GIANTS PAYROLL, will fall in line and support the decision. As they should.
But they will all likely admit to that none of them had Jones that high, and PD would not taken a QB, period.
"lack of velocity and zip on intermediate throws and lack of strong arm downfield." It makes it sound like we drafted Tim Couch or Brandon Weedon with the #6 pick.
Cmon, man, comparing Eli's situation to Alex Smith's is silly Â
The Chiefs didn't have too much invested in Smith. He's not some kind of all-time Chiefs legends, nor did he actually win anything for them Pretending that pushing Eli out would be the same thing as pushing Smith out was is not a compelling argument.
RE: Cmon, man, comparing Eli's situation to Alex Smith's is silly Â
The Chiefs didn't have too much invested in Smith. He's not some kind of all-time Chiefs legends, nor did he actually win anything for them Pretending that pushing Eli out would be the same thing as pushing Smith out was is not a compelling argument.
Fair, though DG did reference the KC model a few weeks ago. That model specifically included parting ways with the veteran QB after a playoff year.
It's probably a moot point though, IMO.
RE: Cmon, man, comparing Eli's situation to Alex Smith's is silly Â
The Chiefs didn't have too much invested in Smith. He's not some kind of all-time Chiefs legends, nor did he actually win anything for them Pretending that pushing Eli out would be the same thing as pushing Smith out was is not a compelling argument.
Its this type of thinking and sentiment that has destroyed this franchise. Considering Eli's legacy, the woefully delayed exit plan for him, his feelings etc. over the health of the team as a whole has us right in the middle of a decade long tenure as a bottom dweller.
Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.
Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.
Those don't have to be locked together. We can make the playoffs this year and be excited about that, and also still think that the right move will be to transition to the young top-10 QB next season.
I guess making a strawman argument is the best you can do though.
get over optimistic over one good season. They seriously thought they were a title contender in 2017. If we go 10-6 and win a wild card game with Eli I could very easily see them thinking they can make a run with him in 2020.
Now, I don't think we're going 10-6 but if we by chance did then I think he's back one more year.
Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.
Those don't have to be locked together. We can make the playoffs this year and be excited about that, and also still think that the right move will be to transition to the young top-10 QB next season.
I guess making a strawman argument is the best you can do though.
a) it's definitely no strawman argument
b) I am 100% certain that you would be one of the people proving a)
Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.
Those don't have to be locked together. We can make the playoffs this year and be excited about that, and also still think that the right move will be to transition to the young top-10 QB next season.
I guess making a strawman argument is the best you can do though.
a) it's definitely no strawman argument
b) I am 100% certain that you would be one of the people proving a)
If you think that I'd prefer to not make the playoffs just to ensure that the transition to Jones stays on schedule, you're wrong. I think that the transition should stay on schedule no matter what happens this season. If the Giants choose to go in another direction, I'll think that they're wrong for doing so, but I wouldn't bemoan them being successful in the near term because of that - that's an absolutely ludicrous take based on nothing of substance.
And since literally no one on this thread has suggested anything like you're implying, it's 100% a strawman.
The Giants are NOT extending Eli unless Daniel Jones shits the bed.
Exactly, it makes no sense to do it now anyways, earlier would free up cap for free agency,. Also, DG said Allen and Jones had the same grade, so he believes qb is a bigger need than pass rush. Combine that with Shurmur said about keeping Jones off the field and only last month confirming to Eli he would be back, the writing is on the wall. Only way he stays is if he leads team to playoffs, which looks extremely unlikely with no impact pass rusher or starting right tackle coming in.
Will just be 3 more guys added to the list of QB's we could have had instead of Jones. If Jones isn't really good the "what might have beens" are going to be very painful.
I will definitely listen in, but if anyone expects anything other than "this is the guy they wanted" or "excellent fit for the Giants system", then you will be dissappointed.
Needed a pass rusher though, even at 17
Baker is perfect match of need and value.
Dotino's take: Jones has touch, mobility vision and poise.
Negatives though are lack of velocity and zip on intermediate throws and lack of strong arm downfield.
It's on OK NFL arm.
To sum, he does not know where the pass rush is. Very big concern, no one there to do it.
He thought Josh Allen was a no brainer pick.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
Exactly!
Agree. Nothing special about Jones, IMO. At least physically. Very generic. But whatever.
I was so excited that they were gonna get him. I think that is why the Jones pick hurts so much.
HA! That was my same reaction. I like Paul but he is quite a homer.
Jones is not sitting until 2021. You don't spend the fucking #6 pick in the draft planning for a guy to sit 2 or 3 years.
I believe this is Eli’s last year. He will demand too much money, which will give Mara the cover he needs to send him on his way.
Evan asks if they'll move up.
Dot says if they package 3rd with a 4th and 5th maybe they can move up into 3rd.
Mentions names for value [Dottino is delusional if he thinks these guys will last until the mid 3rd round:
Chase Winovich, Michigan DE
Ben Banogu, TCU end
O Ximenes, Old Dominion DE
Joe Jackson Miami DE.
Isaiah Prince OSU OT.
David Long, WV DE/OLB
This is a fair criticism and better than some of the posters last night who were saying things like "fuck Dave Gettleman". Let's not go after the kid and keep things in perspective. I felt the same way watching him, i rewatched his tape and then i listened to 360 podcast and i feel better. He takes some serious shots but always stands in there, he can move well, i just hope Mel is right when he says the arm will get a little better once he's in an NFL program.
That said, they were all on record as saying "If the Giants LOVE a QB at 6, they should, by all means take him."
And YES, now that Jones was the pick, all of these guys -- WHO ARE ON THE GIANTS PAYROLL, will fall in line and support the decision. As they should.
But they will all likely admit to that none of them had Jones that high, and PD would not taken a QB, period.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
Making the playoffs guarantees that the entrenched veteran incumbent keeps his job over the young QB?
Fair, though DG did reference the KC model a few weeks ago. That model specifically included parting ways with the veteran QB after a playoff year.
It's probably a moot point though, IMO.
Its this type of thinking and sentiment that has destroyed this franchise. Considering Eli's legacy, the woefully delayed exit plan for him, his feelings etc. over the health of the team as a whole has us right in the middle of a decade long tenure as a bottom dweller.
If Eli plays well and we make the playoffs there is no way we dump him like the Chiefs did with Smith.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.
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Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.
Those don't have to be locked together. We can make the playoffs this year and be excited about that, and also still think that the right move will be to transition to the young top-10 QB next season.
I guess making a strawman argument is the best you can do though.
Now, I don't think we're going 10-6 but if we by chance did then I think he's back one more year.
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Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.
Those don't have to be locked together. We can make the playoffs this year and be excited about that, and also still think that the right move will be to transition to the young top-10 QB next season.
I guess making a strawman argument is the best you can do though.
a) it's definitely no strawman argument
b) I am 100% certain that you would be one of the people proving a)
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Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.
Those don't have to be locked together. We can make the playoffs this year and be excited about that, and also still think that the right move will be to transition to the young top-10 QB next season.
I guess making a strawman argument is the best you can do though.
a) it's definitely no strawman argument
b) I am 100% certain that you would be one of the people proving a)
If you think that I'd prefer to not make the playoffs just to ensure that the transition to Jones stays on schedule, you're wrong. I think that the transition should stay on schedule no matter what happens this season. If the Giants choose to go in another direction, I'll think that they're wrong for doing so, but I wouldn't bemoan them being successful in the near term because of that - that's an absolutely ludicrous take based on nothing of substance.
And since literally no one on this thread has suggested anything like you're implying, it's 100% a strawman.
Exactly, it makes no sense to do it now anyways, earlier would free up cap for free agency,. Also, DG said Allen and Jones had the same grade, so he believes qb is a bigger need than pass rush. Combine that with Shurmur said about keeping Jones off the field and only last month confirming to Eli he would be back, the writing is on the wall. Only way he stays is if he leads team to playoffs, which looks extremely unlikely with no impact pass rusher or starting right tackle coming in.
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OMG this is crazy
Jones is not sitting until 2021. You don't spend the fucking #6 pick in the draft planning for a guy to sit 2 or 3 years.
If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
They are not making the playoffs next year wake up. There defense is still atrocious
Then do what the Cardinals just did.
Unless only Herbert is left. Not impressed with him at all.