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Paul Dottino coming on 10:40

nygnyy274 : 4/26/2019 10:40 am
With Joe and Evan Can’t wait to hear what this guy has to say
Can you transcribe for us?  
GiAnT4LYFE : 4/26/2019 10:41 am : link
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I'm sure he will flip the script his stance of a QB at 6  
ron mexico : 4/26/2019 10:41 am : link
he can take pride in Farrell going so high, has been talking him up for weeks
is there any doubt that he's  
bigbluehoya : 4/26/2019 10:42 am : link
going to shovel as much praise as he can muster on it? That's his shtick. Doesn't matter that he was dead wrong on 90% of what hes said over the last couple weeks. The time for predictions is over - now it's time to say he loves what they did.
Should be fun  
BIG FRED 1973 : 4/26/2019 10:43 am : link
he was totally wrong YET AGAIN thats the saving grace in the Jones pick lol
He loved Josh Allen  
George from PA : 4/26/2019 10:43 am : link
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P Dot  
figgy2989 : 4/26/2019 10:43 am : link
The same guy who claimed Davis Webb was the heir apparent.

I will definitely listen in, but if anyone expects anything other than "this is the guy they wanted" or "excellent fit for the Giants system", then you will be dissappointed.
I don't mind Dottino  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2019 10:44 am : link
But let's not pretend that he isn't a PR guy in all but title.
Dottino says he was flabergasted  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/26/2019 10:47 am : link
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Going in, he thought Giants wanted 2 defenders and a RT  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/26/2019 10:49 am : link
...He thinks Lawrence was value in early 20s

Needed a pass rusher though, even at 17

Baker is perfect match of need and value.
Defending DG to no surprise  
The_Boss : 4/26/2019 10:51 am : link
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Regarding Jones  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/26/2019 10:53 am : link
Didn't think Jones was a "pound the table" guy for Gettleman. (as in, didn't think DG liked him so much he'd pound the table and say I WANT THIS GUY!!!)

Dotino's take: Jones has touch, mobility vision and poise.

Negatives though are lack of velocity and zip on intermediate throws and lack of strong arm downfield.

It's on OK NFL arm.
Jones  
nygnyy274 : 4/26/2019 11:00 am : link
Could sit till 2021 what an absolute joke this organization has become
2021 for Jones  
BIG FRED 1973 : 4/26/2019 11:00 am : link
OMG this is crazy
Thinks Jones may not start until 2020 or 2021  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/26/2019 11:01 am : link
...Thinks Giants will extend Eli.

To sum, he does not know where the pass rush is. Very big concern, no one there to do it.

He thought Josh Allen was a no brainer pick.
Allen was a no brainer to Paul  
The_Boss : 4/26/2019 11:01 am : link
Except for DG apparently
''Passing on Allen was a real bucket of ice in the face''  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/26/2019 11:02 am : link
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I want to explain something  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2019 11:04 am : link
I'm not down on the pick because I think Jones is going to be an Akili Smith-type bust. He's not terrible or anything. I just have never seen anything in his play that suggests he could be great. If you're taking a guy with the 6th overall pick, and passing on the kind of defenders they passed on to do so, you expect greatness. You expect a potential All-Pro QB. Don't see that in Jones at all.
I agree about extending Eli  
Vanzetti : 4/26/2019 11:04 am : link
Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.

If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.
damn, so even Paul Dottino is questioning the pick?  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2019 11:05 am : link
hahaha, has he ever questioned anything the Giants have done before? Talk about an eye-opener.
RE: I want to explain something  
weaverpsu : 4/26/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14410482 Greg from LI said:
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I'm not down on the pick because I think Jones is going to be an Akili Smith-type bust. He's not terrible or anything. I just have never seen anything in his play that suggests he could be great. If you're taking a guy with the 6th overall pick, and passing on the kind of defenders they passed on to do so, you expect greatness. You expect a potential All-Pro QB. Don't see that in Jones at all.


Exactly!
RE: I want to explain something  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/26/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14410482 Greg from LI said:
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I'm not down on the pick because I think Jones is going to be an Akili Smith-type bust. He's not terrible or anything. I just have never seen anything in his play that suggests he could be great. If you're taking a guy with the 6th overall pick, and passing on the kind of defenders they passed on to do so, you expect greatness. You expect a potential All-Pro QB. Don't see that in Jones at all.


Agree. Nothing special about Jones, IMO. At least physically. Very generic. But whatever.
RE: Allen was a no brainer to Paul  
weaverpsu : 4/26/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14410465 The_Boss said:
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Except for DG apparently


I was so excited that they were gonna get him. I think that is why the Jones pick hurts so much.
RE: damn, so even Paul Dottino is questioning the pick?  
BlueVinnie : 4/26/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14410486 Greg from LI said:
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hahaha, has he ever questioned anything the Giants have done before? Talk about an eye-opener.


HA! That was my same reaction. I like Paul but he is quite a homer.
You  
Toth029 : 4/26/2019 11:11 am : link
Don't spend the #6 overall on a player to have him sit for 2+ years. He's playing in 2020 if not sooner.
RE: 2021 for Jones  
FranchiseQB : 4/26/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14410452 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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OMG this is crazy


Jones is not sitting until 2021. You don't spend the fucking #6 pick in the draft planning for a guy to sit 2 or 3 years.
When the clock was running for the Giants #6 pick...  
BamaBlue : 4/26/2019 11:15 am : link
I thought this won't take long, this is as close to a no-brainer as you can get. Then I started to think, the Giants were cooking a deal and were listening to offers. When the pick came-in and Goodell said Jones was the guy, I was completely stunned. Jones is a mobile version of Dave Brown...

I did not expect a  
Bones : 4/26/2019 11:20 am : link
QB at 6, but some how I knew Allen would not be the pick either.

I believe this is Eli’s last year. He will demand too much money, which will give Mara the cover he needs to send him on his way.
Forgot to hit Submit on this: Dottino on Day 2...  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/26/2019 11:22 am : link
...Points out that no pick till end of 3rd round (duh)

Evan asks if they'll move up.

Dot says if they package 3rd with a 4th and 5th maybe they can move up into 3rd.

Mentions names for value [Dottino is delusional if he thinks these guys will last until the mid 3rd round:

Chase Winovich, Michigan DE

Ben Banogu, TCU end

O Ximenes, Old Dominion DE

Joe Jackson Miami DE.

Isaiah Prince OSU OT.

David Long, WV DE/OLB
RE: I want to explain something  
GiantGrit : 4/26/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14410482 Greg from LI said:
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I'm not down on the pick because I think Jones is going to be an Akili Smith-type bust. He's not terrible or anything. I just have never seen anything in his play that suggests he could be great. If you're taking a guy with the 6th overall pick, and passing on the kind of defenders they passed on to do so, you expect greatness. You expect a potential All-Pro QB. Don't see that in Jones at all.


This is a fair criticism and better than some of the posters last night who were saying things like "fuck Dave Gettleman". Let's not go after the kid and keep things in perspective. I felt the same way watching him, i rewatched his tape and then i listened to 360 podcast and i feel better. He takes some serious shots but always stands in there, he can move well, i just hope Mel is right when he says the arm will get a little better once he's in an NFL program.
Dottino, Schmelk, and Meadow were ALL wrong  
David B. : 4/26/2019 11:29 am : link
as early as DRAFT DAY. So were a LOT of people. PD said if Josh Allen was there, he'd RUN to the podium with the selection. Schmelk GUARANTEED the Giants were NOT taking ANY QB at 6.

That said, they were all on record as saying "If the Giants LOVE a QB at 6, they should, by all means take him."

And YES, now that Jones was the pick, all of these guys -- WHO ARE ON THE GIANTS PAYROLL, will fall in line and support the decision. As they should.

But they will all likely admit to that none of them had Jones that high, and PD would not taken a QB, period.
RE: I agree about extending Eli  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14410484 Vanzetti said:
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Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.

If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.

Making the playoffs guarantees that the entrenched veteran incumbent keeps his job over the young QB?

You don't settle for this with the #6 pick  
HomerJones45 : 4/26/2019 11:50 am : link
"lack of velocity and zip on intermediate throws and lack of strong arm downfield." It makes it sound like we drafted Tim Couch or Brandon Weedon with the #6 pick.
Cmon, man, comparing Eli's situation to Alex Smith's is silly  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2019 11:52 am : link
The Chiefs didn't have too much invested in Smith. He's not some kind of all-time Chiefs legends, nor did he actually win anything for them Pretending that pushing Eli out would be the same thing as pushing Smith out was is not a compelling argument.
RE: Cmon, man, comparing Eli's situation to Alex Smith's is silly  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14410765 Greg from LI said:
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The Chiefs didn't have too much invested in Smith. He's not some kind of all-time Chiefs legends, nor did he actually win anything for them Pretending that pushing Eli out would be the same thing as pushing Smith out was is not a compelling argument.

Fair, though DG did reference the KC model a few weeks ago. That model specifically included parting ways with the veteran QB after a playoff year.

It's probably a moot point though, IMO.
RE: Cmon, man, comparing Eli's situation to Alex Smith's is silly  
Pep22 : 4/26/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14410765 Greg from LI said:
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The Chiefs didn't have too much invested in Smith. He's not some kind of all-time Chiefs legends, nor did he actually win anything for them Pretending that pushing Eli out would be the same thing as pushing Smith out was is not a compelling argument.


Its this type of thinking and sentiment that has destroyed this franchise. Considering Eli's legacy, the woefully delayed exit plan for him, his feelings etc. over the health of the team as a whole has us right in the middle of a decade long tenure as a bottom dweller.
Gatorade  
bluepepper : 4/26/2019 12:03 pm : link
the difference is Smith had no special place in the heart of the Hunts the way Eli does with the Maras. And of course we didn't draft Patrick Mahomes.

If Eli plays well and we make the playoffs there is no way we dump him like the Chiefs did with Smith.

If they waste two years of a QB on a rookie top 10 contract  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/26/2019 12:03 pm : link
just to let him rot on the bench, it's absurdity.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2019 12:04 pm : link
The Giants are NOT extending Eli unless Daniel Jones shits the bed.
eh....Greg made the same point  
bluepepper : 4/26/2019 12:04 pm : link
not sure why I didn't see that.
RE: I agree about extending Eli  
Bill L : 4/26/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14410484 Vanzetti said:
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Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.

If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.


Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.
RE: RE: I agree about extending Eli  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14410854 Bill L said:
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In comment 14410484 Vanzetti said:


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Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.

If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.



Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.

Those don't have to be locked together. We can make the playoffs this year and be excited about that, and also still think that the right move will be to transition to the young top-10 QB next season.

I guess making a strawman argument is the best you can do though.
Eric - we've all seen this org  
bluepepper : 4/26/2019 12:09 pm : link
get over optimistic over one good season. They seriously thought they were a title contender in 2017. If we go 10-6 and win a wild card game with Eli I could very easily see them thinking they can make a run with him in 2020.

Now, I don't think we're going 10-6 but if we by chance did then I think he's back one more year.
RE: RE: RE: I agree about extending Eli  
Bill L : 4/26/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14410868 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14410484 Vanzetti said:


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Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.

If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.



Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.


Those don't have to be locked together. We can make the playoffs this year and be excited about that, and also still think that the right move will be to transition to the young top-10 QB next season.

I guess making a strawman argument is the best you can do though.


a) it's definitely no strawman argument

b) I am 100% certain that you would be one of the people proving a)
RE: RE: RE: RE: I agree about extending Eli  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/26/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14410871 Bill L said:
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In comment 14410868 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14410854 Bill L said:


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In comment 14410484 Vanzetti said:


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Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.

If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.



Boy that would suck. I would hate making he playoffs. Rather would boot Eli. Heck, if he brought us to the SB we might extend him for 2 years and I would be so pissed I would have to root for some other team.


Those don't have to be locked together. We can make the playoffs this year and be excited about that, and also still think that the right move will be to transition to the young top-10 QB next season.

I guess making a strawman argument is the best you can do though.



a) it's definitely no strawman argument

b) I am 100% certain that you would be one of the people proving a)

If you think that I'd prefer to not make the playoffs just to ensure that the transition to Jones stays on schedule, you're wrong. I think that the transition should stay on schedule no matter what happens this season. If the Giants choose to go in another direction, I'll think that they're wrong for doing so, but I wouldn't bemoan them being successful in the near term because of that - that's an absolutely ludicrous take based on nothing of substance.

And since literally no one on this thread has suggested anything like you're implying, it's 100% a strawman.
RE: ...  
Nine-Tails : 4/26/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14410831 Eric from BBI said:
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The Giants are NOT extending Eli unless Daniel Jones shits the bed.


Exactly, it makes no sense to do it now anyways, earlier would free up cap for free agency,. Also, DG said Allen and Jones had the same grade, so he believes qb is a bigger need than pass rush. Combine that with Shurmur said about keeping Jones off the field and only last month confirming to Eli he would be back, the writing is on the wall. Only way he stays is if he leads team to playoffs, which looks extremely unlikely with no impact pass rusher or starting right tackle coming in.
RE: RE: 2021 for Jones  
BIG FRED 1973 : 4/26/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14410543 FranchiseQB said:
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OMG this is crazy



Jones is not sitting until 2021. You don't spend the fucking #6 pick in the draft planning for a guy to sit 2 or 3 years.
i hope you are right
So what happens if the Giants have a top 5 pick next year ?  
Archer : 4/26/2019 12:43 pm : link
And Hebert , Tua, and Fromm are on the board?
RE: So what happens if the Giants have a top 5 pick next year ?  
bluepepper : 4/26/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14411048 Archer said:
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And Hebert , Tua, and Fromm are on the board?
Will just be 3 more guys added to the list of QB's we could have had instead of Jones. If Jones isn't really good the "what might have beens" are going to be very painful.
RE: I agree about extending Eli  
Mike Graves : 4/26/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14410484 Vanzetti said:
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Giants could very well make playoffs next year, given that Redskins and Cowboys look to be weakened.

If that happens, Eli is not going anywhere.



They are not making the playoffs next year wake up. There defense is still atrocious
RE: So what happens if the Giants have a top 5 pick next year ?  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14411048 Archer said:
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And Hebert , Tua, and Fromm are on the board?


Then do what the Cardinals just did.

Unless only Herbert is left. Not impressed with him at all.
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