giving a great breakdown on Jones right now. Good arm, not a rocket but neither Manning's, Brady etc. had it. Better athlete than given credit for and more like a REALLY good athlete. Accuracy issues not a huge deal and with more reps all involved think he will be fine.
David Cutcliff said and Polian agrees, if Daniel Jones played at Ohio St. nobody would be questioning him as a top QB prospect. Polian said with the WR's there and talent around Jones's stats would be much better.
I ask you this, if Haskins played at Duke would his stats be better than Jones's???
Polian is also not the greatest reference here.
the college football program that led the NCAA in 2018 in dropped passes was:
DUKE
'Not a rocket' seems to be a bit of an understatement regarding Jones' arm strength. If you watch him throw out routes on tape it's quite a scary sight.
Polian is also not the greatest reference here.
I call bullshit. He had a shit oline but he can run haskins can’t and would be killed
I'm sure Jones would have been regarded better on a non-trash team. And Haskins would be regarded worse if they switched places.
Cutcliffe is also promoting his own player here and Polian and Cutcliffe have had a connection for a while, not that that should need to be pointed out. The fact that Polian asserts that Jones reminds him of Peyton Manning should tell you a bit about his opinions on Cutcliffe.
I'd love to watch Daniel Jones have all day to throw and then dump off to Parris Campbell for a "50 yard TD" that was nothing more than a simple dump off - which the Haskins lovers call "quick release and decision making with pinpoint accuracy"
Comparing these 2 based on stats is absurd. The talent around both was night/day.
Haskins, incredible throw. Incredible. - ( New Window )
...and before he ever takes his first NFL snap! Lots of experts on this site.
I'd love to watch Daniel Jones have all day to throw and then dump off to Parris Campbell for a "50 yard TD" that was nothing more than a simple dump off - which the Haskins lovers call "quick release and decision making with pinpoint accuracy"
Comparing these 2 based on stats is absurd. The talent around both was night/day. Haskins, incredible throw. Incredible. - ( New Window )
That wasnt Haskins
I can rationalize that that tendency is a result of an overachiever, playing on a team with less than elite OL and WRs, trying to do too much himself.
Just like the NYG had to settle Barkley down from trying to hit a home run on every play, Shurmur and Eli should be able to rein Jones in.
I think you are misrepresenting Giant fans ire, it's more directed at Gettleman than Jones, for whatever that is worth.
I'd love to watch Daniel Jones have all day to throw and then dump off to Parris Campbell for a "50 yard TD" that was nothing more than a simple dump off - which the Haskins lovers call "quick release and decision making with pinpoint accuracy"
Comparing these 2 based on stats is absurd. The talent around both was night/day. Haskins, incredible throw. Incredible. - ( New Window )
Sorry wrong video ... (love Campbell)
Even better "pass".. 80 yarder - ( New Window )
He can run, get the ball out quick, throw deep with decent accuracy, take hits, throw into tight windows to keep the chains moving.
At times I literally thought I was watching the Giants.
His receivers in several games did drop what would ordinarily be completions, even TDS.
I’m willing to see what we have in this kid and I wish them the
because a lot of teams don't have 3 NFL WRs and good OL for any decent pocket passer to deliver the ball. His stats are pretty - doesn't mean shit in the NFL, when he wont have all day to throw and the talent gap tightens.
I'm glad hes a redskin, i'll just leave it at that.
Polian is also not the greatest reference here.
Been all right on the QB slections
He can run, get the ball out quick, throw deep with decent accuracy, take hits, throw into tight windows to keep the chains moving.
At times I literally thought I was watching the Giants.
His receivers in several games did drop what would ordinarily be completions, even TDS.
I’m willing to see what we have in this kid and I wish them the
This. Jones is the 1st prospect I've ever done a 180 on - and it was after actually watching closely and thinking for myself.
Saying his WRs/OL sucked is not an "Excuse" - as some llike to claim. His OL was 1 of the 5 worst in the country in terms of pass pro ... His WRs were among the leaders in dropped passes.
The fact Duke was ever ranked is a testament to Jones ... who got the job more often than not in dire circumstances. He's big, he can run, he's good a good arm, he's tough, he's well coached ... I wanted Allen, but Jones is legit.
Another thing is that Josh Allen went to Wyoming, Carson Wentz went to South Dakota State, Mitch Trubisky went to UNC (not a great UNC football school lately), David Carr went to Fresno State. You could go on and on about QBs from non-elite football programs whose QBs went top 5 or top 10, and no one was trashing the picks based upon the schools they went to.
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When I started watching film after they made the selection I was impressed, it’s Eli Manning 2.0
He can run, get the ball out quick, throw deep with decent accuracy, take hits, throw into tight windows to keep the chains moving.
At times I literally thought I was watching the Giants.
His receivers in several games did drop what would ordinarily be completions, even TDS.
I’m willing to see what we have in this kid and I wish them the
This. Jones is the 1st prospect I've ever done a 180 on - and it was after actually watching closely and thinking for myself.
Saying his WRs/OL sucked is not an "Excuse" - as some llike to claim. His OL was 1 of the 5 worst in the country in terms of pass pro ... His WRs were among the leaders in dropped passes.
The fact Duke was ever ranked is a testament to Jones ... who got the job more often than not in dire circumstances. He's big, he can run, he's good a good arm, he's tough, he's well coached ... I wanted Allen, but Jones is legit.
And who did he play against, outside of Clemson (where he posted a gaudy 55% completion rate and an 87 QBR)? Can't look at one and not the other.
I for one am not cheered by his good games against Army, Pittsburgh and Virginia Tech.
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Because he’s the better thrower.
Polian is also not the greatest reference here.
Been all right on the QB slections
Has he? He loved Manziel. He said Jackson wouldn’t go first round because he was too short, meanwhile he was the same height as Manziel. Polian is a hack.
There has been a lot of crazy comments that have happened over the last 24 hours.... this was hysterical and actually a breathe of fresh air to lighten the mood.
I liked Haskins, quite a bit, but the one thing his detractors always went back to was how talented the offense he played in was. I don't think that should be a knock against Haskins, however, it needs to be acknowledged when you are comparing a guy like Jones to Haskins. You can't just gloss over the difference in between playing on a loaded Ohio State team to playing on a below average Duke team. It's night and day. Josh Allen didn't have the greatest stats, but many supporters of his pointed out he didn't have the greatest surrounding cast..which was true. These guys don't operate in a vaccum. Guys who are gushing over players like Tua and Fromm need to recognize the absurd talent level these players are surrounded with, it doesn't mean they aren't great players themselves but it has to be acknowledged, you can't just bury your head in statistics and act like it's apples to apples.
Polian is also not the greatest reference here.
We are so fortunate to have you as the BBI watch dog.... thank you! Letting us know whose opinion we should and shouldn't value. I personally am so glad to have you point out that Polian doesn't know WTF he is talking about because I was under the impression that he knew a few things about the game. So thank you...
Are there any credible sources who like Jones?
Can you reference the credible sources who don't like Jones and who do not think he will make a quality starter in the league?
It would really save us some time if we can just get all of the facts from you.
Game of Thrones isn't until Sunday
Much as I hate to admit it, he didn't play particularly well in his three games against Tech (though better than he did against us! haha).
'Not a rocket' seems to be a bit of an understatement regarding Jones' arm strength. If you watch him throw out routes on tape it's quite a scary sight.
I agree but watch his pro day. His arm looked much better. I gotta believe some of that comes from coaching and being able to throw a ball receivers can catch.
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Because he’s the better thrower.
Polian is also not the greatest reference here.
We are so fortunate to have you as the BBI watch dog.... thank you! Letting us know whose opinion we should and shouldn't value. I personally am so glad to have you point out that Polian doesn't know WTF he is talking about because I was under the impression that he knew a few things about the game. So thank you...
Are there any credible sources who like Jones?
Can you reference the credible sources who don't like Jones and who do not think he will make a quality starter in the league?
It would really save us some time if we can just get all of the facts from you.
How about fuck off?
Polians been awful since he started doing media work.
Why isn’t the question being asked if Haskins played for Duke and put the exact same statistical output, would be also be taken 6th?
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Because he’s the better thrower.
Polian is also not the greatest reference here.
We are so fortunate to have you as the BBI watch dog.... thank you! Letting us know whose opinion we should and shouldn't value. I personally am so glad to have you point out that Polian doesn't know WTF he is talking about because I was under the impression that he knew a few things about the game. So thank you...
Are there any credible sources who like Jones?
Can you reference the credible sources who don't like Jones and who do not think he will make a quality starter in the league?
It would really save us some time if we can just get all of the facts from you.
How about fuck off?
Polians been awful since he started doing media work.
Anyone can be wrong, but i fail to see how Bill Polian and Gil Brandt highly endorsing this kid is a knock.
How about fuck off?
Hmm... let me think about that and get back to you. I could use a good fuck today and I would not mind being off.
Meanwhile, go ahead and resume your Daniel Jones bashing on every thread you can find...with our without the mention of Polian.
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How about fuck off?
Hmm... let me think about that and get back to you. I could use a good fuck today and I would not mind being off.
Meanwhile, go ahead and resume your Daniel Jones bashing on every thread you can find...with our without the mention of Polian.
Funny thing is, I believe this is a discussion board and people are posting threads about the pick and stating their opinions.
the college football program that led the NCAA in 2018 in dropped passes was:
DUKE
Sounds like he has really, really greasy hands. :(
There has been talk about "well he wouldn't have been there at 17." Well my answer to that is, well, SO WHAT IF HE ISN'T? Would the worst thing in the world be to grab a Josh Allen AND a Dexter Lawrence, and then perhaps you take Finley later? Or perhaps you don't take a QB at all this year and really bolster your team and get your guy next year.
Bottom line, he's not worth that spot in the draft. I think early on he was pegged as a 2nd round talent, I think that really is where his grade actually should've been, as a 2nd round guy. Dave Te' did not have him as a first round talent, and Sy had him as a back-end of the first round grade.
There should not have been any panic in drafting a QB this year, Eli is going to be the starter in 2019. If you have to sign a bridge guy or extend Eli a season in 2020, then so be it. But this seems like a panic move.
This pick reminds me of the 2013 draft. A really bad QB draft, and the Bills needed a QB. They took who they thought was the best QB in the draft that year...E.J. Manuel from Florida State. It was a bad pick. But there weren't any QBs in that draft that were worth a first round pick. You can't force it. EJ Manuel wasn't even in the NFL last year and is signed this year to compete for a backup job to Mahomes in KC. The best QB in the 2013 draft was probably Mike Glennon!
I'm not saying this class is as bad as that one, but at 6 I would've passed on QB altogether. The only way you screw this up is by taking a QB that doesn't really check all the boxes, and I'm afraid the Giants took their heir apparent to Eli a year too soon.
Funny thing is, I believe this is a discussion board and people are posting threads about the pick and stating their opinions.
You are 100% correct. In fact, it may sound strange coming from me after how I criticized you above... but I actually hate when people here do not allow others to express their opinions. Reminds me a bit of the speech police on college campuses.
However, I saw you going off on this topic in multiple threads as if you were obsessed with it and almost unwilling to look at it objectively.
Personally, I wanted a different QB. I also wanted a different QB in 2004 and was proven wrong.
It's somewhat unusual to "add arm talent"... especially when a Guy has been well coached, etchnically.
The two amazing cases where I have seen it are Tom Brady and Jake deGrom.....each of them became more impressive over a 3-5 year span from their rookie years forward.
I think there's some possibility with Long Bodied athletes to clean up technic and put long levers to effective use.
the college football program that led the NCAA in 2018 in dropped passes was:
DUKE
I believe it! I watched this 16 minute YouTube video on Jones and I must have counted 20 drops. That #3, Remming I believe, never dropped the ball. Too bad Jones didn’t throw to him 100% of the time.
The pick stunk of desperation when there was no reason to be desperate.
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How about if Jones played at Ohio St. would he have thrown 50 TDs? He was the first player to ever do it in the Big 10 (broke Drew Brees's record) so you can't just tell me the 50 TDs were 100% a product of the system and talent around him, otherwise why don't we see 50 TDs from someone every year? That system wasn't even tailored to Haskins's strengths as a QB.
Another thing is that Josh Allen went to Wyoming, Carson Wentz went to South Dakota State, Mitch Trubisky went to UNC (not a great UNC football school lately), David Carr went to Fresno State. You could go on and on about QBs from non-elite football programs whose QBs went top 5 or top 10, and no one was trashing the picks based upon the schools they went to.
I remember him throwing it almost 70 yards in the air on the hail mary to Moss in SB42.
Unless he means now where his arm isn't as strong yet he still has had success.
I remember him throwing it almost 70 yards in the air on the hail mary to Moss in SB42.
Unless he means now where his arm isn't as strong yet he still has had success.
Super bowl 42 was eight years after Tom Brady was a Rookie. Brady was drafted as a scrawny kid.