Again, if you truly believe the Giants make decisions based on race, why are you supporting this team?
That says more about you than the Giants.
The version of the Giants you think some of us are talking about are exclusionist. That actively move to exclude black quarterbacks.
What we’re actually discussing is an organization that may or may not have a subconscious preference for white quarterbacks.
They’re absolutely not the same thing. The former is a caricature.
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So it is your view that the Giants management has an implicit bias against black QBs, though not black players. You think drafting Jones over Haskins is evidence of that. I disagree.
If you think that there are elements of Jones upbringing and education that speak to white privilege, fine, but don’t tarnish the integrity of the management for no reason
This is so sad. As sad as the negative reaction to BLM. Â
The Giants were the first team in the NFL to have back assistant coaches, brought a black QB in Hank Washington to camp as early as the '60s, had a back GM and head of scouting, but somehow were uncomfortable drafting a black QB?
I'll tell ya, racism is alive in America, and folks on both sides see through hate-filled eyes.
That most people on here never learned to read. Either that or they have a worse attention span than the supposed “millenials”
Is this where you try to destroy Eric's reputation by calling him racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc because he has a different opinion than you?
I was wondering how long it would be for the accusations to come out Â
College football did not start producing black quarterbacks en masse until the last couple of decades.
Phil Simms and Eli Manning were the QBs for this team for for a total of three decades.
How do you not understand that math?
Again that’s only 3 out of 10 decades. But you know what...
Eric, I respect your opinions a lot. I can appreciate where you’re coming from. I wish I felt you could see things from my perspective. But that’s okay.
I don’t wish to continue going in circles since it seems we’re headed that way and those types of exchanges tend to devolve into personal attacks and name calling.
I hope we can agree to disagree here.
RE: on most issues i would come down as far ‘left’ as you can imagine Â
The Giants were the first team in the NFL to have back assistant coaches, brought a black QB in Hank Washington to camp as early as the '60s, had a back GM and head of scouting, but somehow were uncomfortable drafting a black QB?
I'll tell ya, racism is alive in America, and folks on both sides see through hate-filled eyes.
The New York Giants have been an overwhelmingly black team for decades. No player who has played for them has ever accused management of being racist. No employee has ever done so.
Perhaps the reason is that it has only been in the last 10-15 years that NFL-draftable quarterbacks have been more commonly available?
You are basically arguing that Tisch (who is Jewish) and Mara (who is about as cosmopolitan as you can get) are bigots.
So stop dancing around and just say it.
I've had the thought, but no, I don't think it's a bigoted organization. Still, the lack of black QBs on the field, in meaningful games, for the Giants, is weird.
My company has a very white office. I know the people at the top aren't bigots, but that outcome is weird, too. And the industry we serve is aware of it, just as the NFL world is aware of the Giants odd lack of black men under center.
In an office, where people can have long careers but there's also a lot of turnover, you can get a diverse workplace if you make an effort to. I always try to hire an inclusive group (women, people of color, people with disabilities) when I assemble a team of freelancers. But the very white office is still weird to me.
The QB position on a football team is different. The Giants have had a couple of developmental black QBs (Andre Woodson and Ryan Perilloux, right?) who didn't pan out, and Josh Freeman and Geno Smith. But with Eli taking almost every snap for something like 15 years, opportunities have been limited. So they can be absolutely inclusive, un-biased, not racist one bit, and the outcome is still peculiar.
Having a black QB isn't a goal. Having a great QB is a goal. These roster spots aren't diversity hires. You go for the guy you think is best. But when it's time to choose, what are you looking at? It's normal for people to be more comfortable with people they perceive as being like themselves. What parts of Daniel Jones made the Giants more comfortable with him? He's the kind of QB they've had before. He comes from the same coach as the guy they've had. He's got other qualities they have had before and liked. That's pure football. Does his appearance figure in? It's very hard to separate that out, because unconscious bias can alter perception.
You look around the league and black QBs are routine now, except for the Giants, who almost never seem to have one on the field. I don't think it's racism, but the outcome is... odd.
And those who don't see bigotry where it exists adds to the Â
HAVE YOU SEEN THE FAN REACTION TO THE GIANTS DRAFTING DANIEL JONES?
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
Understood, but the reaction that matters is yet to come. And reaction on this site seems to be moving solidly in favor of Jones.
Do you not understand the fan reaction is because these fans feel Haskins is a better fit? Giants scouts, coaches and GM disagreed. Denver and Washington wanted him, too.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE FAN REACTION TO THE GIANTS DRAFTING DANIEL JONES?
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
Understood, but the reaction that matters is yet to come. And reaction on this site seems to be moving solidly in favor of Jones.
You have to hope he is good, what the hell is your point. I don’t think most people are in love with Jones, but he is the guy they took. People attempt to get behind it. I still don’t think most people here are happy with it, or are you attempting to say that if we cheer for him and not Haskins we are racist?
They fired him because they are racist? They hired him over DG and he worked in that role for a decade. He got fired because he ran about six shitty drafts in a row which put our team in the toilet of the NFL.
Didn't say that. But he's not the best evidence that the Giants lack bias. The fact they fired Coughlin first is better evidence. The many other historical precedents cited on this thread are better evidence. The Giants have been a pretty progressive organization when it comes to race. It's easy for Chris Carter and others to cry racism. I don't agree.
But per my post above, the lack of black QBs on the field or on the roster for the Giants is peculiar. It looks bad. It may not mean much, but it looks bad regardless.
Why did the Giants not have any cell phones in their 100 year history?
Because you couldn’t buy them until the 80s!
And they had a contract with two phone companies that netted 4 Super Bowls!
Are you a moron?
The New York Giants have been an overwhelmingly black team for decades. No player who has played for them has ever accused management of being racist. No employee has ever done so.
Perhaps the reason is that it has only been in the last 10-15 years that NFL-draftable quarterbacks have been more commonly available?
You are basically arguing that Tisch (who is Jewish) and Mara (who is about as cosmopolitan as you can get) are bigots.
So stop dancing around and just say it.
I've had the thought, but no, I don't think it's a bigoted organization. Still, the lack of black QBs on the field, in meaningful games, for the Giants, is weird.
My company has a very white office. I know the people at the top aren't bigots, but that outcome is weird, too. And the industry we serve is aware of it, just as the NFL world is aware of the Giants odd lack of black men under center.
In an office, where people can have long careers but there's also a lot of turnover, you can get a diverse workplace if you make an effort to. I always try to hire an inclusive group (women, people of color, people with disabilities) when I assemble a team of freelancers. But the very white office is still weird to me.
The QB position on a football team is different. The Giants have had a couple of developmental black QBs (Andre Woodson and Ryan Perilloux, right?) who didn't pan out, and Josh Freeman and Geno Smith. But with Eli taking almost every snap for something like 15 years, opportunities have been limited. So they can be absolutely inclusive, un-biased, not racist one bit, and the outcome is still peculiar.
Having a black QB isn't a goal. Having a great QB is a goal. These roster spots aren't diversity hires. You go for the guy you think is best. But when it's time to choose, what are you looking at? It's normal for people to be more comfortable with people they perceive as being like themselves. What parts of Daniel Jones made the Giants more comfortable with him? He's the kind of QB they've had before. He comes from the same coach as the guy they've had. He's got other qualities they have had before and liked. That's pure football. Does his appearance figure in? It's very hard to separate that out, because unconscious bias can alter perception.
You look around the league and black QBs are routine now, except for the Giants, who almost never seem to have one on the field. I don't think it's racism, but the outcome is... odd.
I feel like a read something that makes me a little dumber. Thee narrative that the Giants drafted Jones over Haskins because of skin color is the winner today. God help us all.
I don't recall San Diego having a back starting QB either. BECAUSE they went from Brees to Rivers.
It is absolutely true that having a stable situation at QB means you don't get a lot of guys playing QB, so there's not a lot of opportunity to get any kind of diversity at the position. Green Bay went from Favre to Rodgers, but Rodgers got hurt and you got Hundley. I don't think that was even news. They have Kizer now backing up Rodgers. It's not a thing.
Eli never took a week off, so even if they had a black backup he'd have only been on the field in mop-up duty or garbage time, like David Carr and Ryan Nassib.
RE: on most issues i would come down as far ‘left’ as you can imagine Â
Pretty much true for me too.
The only good thing about this nonsense is that it reminds me stupidity is not confined to any particular political orientation.
discussion on BBI because there's always a side that is incapable of having a nuanced approach to the issue.
For instance, you can take pride in the fact that the Giants were one of the first NFL teams to hire a black GM - while also being disappointed that they were the last franchise to have a black QB start a game.
As alluded to in other comments, you can have the view that there may exist some inherent bias against black QBs within the organization without going as far as to say that the team is run by white supremacists. It's really not something that should be discussed in such simple terms.
RE: The topic of race generally doesn't yield a productive Â
discussion on BBI because there's always a side that is incapable of having a nuanced approach to the issue.
For instance, you can take pride in the fact that the Giants were one of the first NFL teams to hire a black GM - while also being disappointed that they were the last franchise to have a black QB start a game.
As alluded to in other comments, you can have the view that there may exist some inherent bias against black QBs within the organization without going as far as to say that the team is run by white supremacists. It's really not something that should be discussed in such simple terms.
Well said.
The Giants were the last team ever to start a black QB Â
When Geno started in 2017. I have to admit that is quite a long time (almost 100 years as a franchise) to go with one race at that one position. And Geno only started one game, it’s not like he was named the franchise QB.
Also, I don’t know if anyone is saying this was a conscious point. It’s not like their scouting report on Haskins was like “Black, so possibly not smart enough to be QB.” People are more saying it could have been subconscious racism which happens every day in various situations and people don’t even notice it.
Regardless of Haskins’s talent around him at Ohio St., ask yourself: would Daniel Jones also have thrown 50 TDs in that offense and broken Drew Brees’s record? He might have had a nice year but Haskins was truly impressive for being a 1st-year starter. That’s the other thing I don’t get. The knock on Haskins being a starter just one year. Like doesn’t that make what he did even more impressive? Daniel Jones started 3 years and it’s not like he lit it up his 3rd season thanks to all his experience. That tells me he may have already hit his ceiling, right? Also remember that Ohio St offense was not particularly perfectly suited for Haskins’s game, he tailored his game to fit the system and it worked out beautifully.
Maybe you could argue Jones is “smarter” because he went to Duke, but having a high football IQ is an entirely different thing, and Haskins we know had a high football IQ. Hell Lamar Jackson does an awful job in interviews but Ravens coaches raved about how quickly he could digest the playbook and process information and feedback and apply to his game on the field.
I’m not even saying Haskins is going to be a star, but he was clearly a better prospect and we at least know had the potential to be GREAT. Jones was good in college and they’re asking him to be GREAT in the NFL. I think they overthought this one, just my opinion, not my job though so we’ll see. We can’t know what all the factors were that went into the decision but it is true the Giants have had a particular racial bias at that position over the years compared to other teams, that’s just a fact, and it didn’t even necessarily have to be something that was conscious or deliberate.
That most people on here never learned to read. Either that or they have a worse attention span than the supposed “millenials”
Is this where you try to destroy Eric's reputation by calling him racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc because he has a different opinion than you?
Yeah, me too, and yeah, I think so too. But I understand that people who think Jones is a huge "reach" are trying to find reasons for the reach. Let's hope the kid shuts everyone up. I don't want to be in the position of rooting for Haskins to fail, so let's hope Jones just does better, sooner.
That most people on here never learned to read. Either that or they have a worse attention span than the supposed “millenials”
Is this where you try to destroy Eric's reputation by calling him racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc because he has a different opinion than you?
Exhibit A
Don't hoist yourself up. You have been lacking a nuanced approach. There is a lot of nuance on this thread and you are not above it all.
Doing whatever it takes to stay relevant by firing up the know nothing fan.
let’s not conflate Cris friggin’ Carter with anything representing a journalist. This is as irresponsible a take as it gets. ESPN is a joke.
Agree about Carter. He's had a chip on his shoulder about the Giants for a long time. Has he always thought them racist, and finally had an excuse to say it in public? Or is this a new thing? That'd be an interesting question for a real journalist to ask him.
This thread is like that one argument that just happens Â
at a party or get together at someone’s house and, there’s a nucleus of people who just can’t let it go. Meanwhile there’s another set of people who are just like, “Whatever, I don’t care. Kinda just wanna get to the chips and salsa.”
People see shapes in clouds even though they aren't real.
Bigotry will never die if folks refuse to move on from it. The amazing irony that those who tout its injustice keep it alive & well...
Wow...so if you see an injustice you should turn a blind eye and hope it resolves itself and disappears? How about bigotry being removed because folks stop being bigots instead of allowing them to continue in their bigotry?
Carter is the same guy that spoke at the NFL Rookie Symposium Â
and told the Rookies to get a "fall guy" if they get in trouble with the law and to have that "fall guy" to take the blame for the incident. What a moral moron.
Again, if you truly believe the Giants make decisions based on race, why are you supporting this team?
That says more about you than the Giants.
The version of the Giants you think some of us are talking about are exclusionist. That actively move to exclude black quarterbacks.
What we’re actually discussing is an organization that may or may not have a subconscious preference for white quarterbacks.
They’re absolutely not the same thing. The former is a caricature.
"subconscious" ??? Stop... you sound like some 1st year gender studies idiot.
So the same owner that hired a black GM is a "subconscious" racist?
"He was fired" he has fired because he was awful at his job.
This BS systemic racism crap is just another way for librals to hold black people down. "Its not your fault you suck at life America is racist" ignoring that fact that we hired a black president...twice, have a black supreme court justice and black people have occupied virtually every know occupation.
What's the ratio of Black athletes to white athletes?
Draft just happened... how many white people were taken vs black people?
Stop with your bull shit race baiting its making the world a worst place
College football did not start producing black quarterbacks en masse until the last couple of decades.
Phil Simms and Eli Manning were the QBs for this team for for a total of three decades.
How do you not understand that math?
Because he's using dialectic, not logic.
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I've said what I needed to say on this thread.
Again, if you truly believe the Giants make decisions based on race, why are you supporting this team?
That says more about you than the Giants.
The version of the Giants you think some of us are talking about are exclusionist. That actively move to exclude black quarterbacks.
What we’re actually discussing is an organization that may or may not have a subconscious preference for white quarterbacks.
They’re absolutely not the same thing. The former is a caricature.
So it is your view that the Giants management has an implicit bias against black QBs, though not black players. You think drafting Jones over Haskins is evidence of that. I disagree.
If you think that there are elements of Jones upbringing and education that speak to white privilege, fine, but don’t tarnish the integrity of the management for no reason
I'll tell ya, racism is alive in America, and folks on both sides see through hate-filled eyes.
Asking for a friend.
Is this where you try to destroy Eric's reputation by calling him racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc because he has a different opinion than you?
This whole thing is insane. We are not the only team to pass on Haskins. Several QB needy teams passed on him.
HOLY SHIT.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE FAN REACTION TO THE GIANTS DRAFTING DANIEL JONES?
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
Understood, but the reaction that matters is yet to come. And reaction on this site seems to be moving solidly in favor of Jones.
College football did not start producing black quarterbacks en masse until the last couple of decades.
Phil Simms and Eli Manning were the QBs for this team for for a total of three decades.
How do you not understand that math?
Again that’s only 3 out of 10 decades. But you know what...
Eric, I respect your opinions a lot. I can appreciate where you’re coming from. I wish I felt you could see things from my perspective. But that’s okay.
I don’t wish to continue going in circles since it seems we’re headed that way and those types of exchanges tend to devolve into personal attacks and name calling.
I hope we can agree to disagree here.
Right? Seriously though, make sure you have a white fall guy.
Bigotry will never die if folks refuse to move on from it. The amazing irony that those who tout its injustice keep it alive & well...
I'll tell ya, racism is alive in America, and folks on both sides see through hate-filled eyes.
well said
It's an absurd statement.
The New York Giants have been an overwhelmingly black team for decades. No player who has played for them has ever accused management of being racist. No employee has ever done so.
Perhaps the reason is that it has only been in the last 10-15 years that NFL-draftable quarterbacks have been more commonly available?
You are basically arguing that Tisch (who is Jewish) and Mara (who is about as cosmopolitan as you can get) are bigots.
So stop dancing around and just say it.
My company has a very white office. I know the people at the top aren't bigots, but that outcome is weird, too. And the industry we serve is aware of it, just as the NFL world is aware of the Giants odd lack of black men under center.
In an office, where people can have long careers but there's also a lot of turnover, you can get a diverse workplace if you make an effort to. I always try to hire an inclusive group (women, people of color, people with disabilities) when I assemble a team of freelancers. But the very white office is still weird to me.
The QB position on a football team is different. The Giants have had a couple of developmental black QBs (Andre Woodson and Ryan Perilloux, right?) who didn't pan out, and Josh Freeman and Geno Smith. But with Eli taking almost every snap for something like 15 years, opportunities have been limited. So they can be absolutely inclusive, un-biased, not racist one bit, and the outcome is still peculiar.
Having a black QB isn't a goal. Having a great QB is a goal. These roster spots aren't diversity hires. You go for the guy you think is best. But when it's time to choose, what are you looking at? It's normal for people to be more comfortable with people they perceive as being like themselves. What parts of Daniel Jones made the Giants more comfortable with him? He's the kind of QB they've had before. He comes from the same coach as the guy they've had. He's got other qualities they have had before and liked. That's pure football. Does his appearance figure in? It's very hard to separate that out, because unconscious bias can alter perception.
You look around the league and black QBs are routine now, except for the Giants, who almost never seem to have one on the field. I don't think it's racism, but the outcome is... odd.
But this isn't a case of that.
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FAN REACTION????? FAN REACTION???
HOLY SHIT.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE FAN REACTION TO THE GIANTS DRAFTING DANIEL JONES?
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
Understood, but the reaction that matters is yet to come. And reaction on this site seems to be moving solidly in favor of Jones.
Do you not understand the fan reaction is because these fans feel Haskins is a better fit? Giants scouts, coaches and GM disagreed. Denver and Washington wanted him, too.
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FAN REACTION????? FAN REACTION???
HOLY SHIT.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE FAN REACTION TO THE GIANTS DRAFTING DANIEL JONES?
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
Understood, but the reaction that matters is yet to come. And reaction on this site seems to be moving solidly in favor of Jones.
You have to hope he is good, what the hell is your point. I don’t think most people are in love with Jones, but he is the guy they took. People attempt to get behind it. I still don’t think most people here are happy with it, or are you attempting to say that if we cheer for him and not Haskins we are racist?
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About the former GM being black
They fired him.
They fired him because they are racist? They hired him over DG and he worked in that role for a decade. He got fired because he ran about six shitty drafts in a row which put our team in the toilet of the NFL.
But per my post above, the lack of black QBs on the field or on the roster for the Giants is peculiar. It looks bad. It may not mean much, but it looks bad regardless.
Because you couldn’t buy them until the 80s!
And they had a contract with two phone companies that netted 4 Super Bowls!
Are you a moron?
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No, I don't see the difference.
It's an absurd statement.
The New York Giants have been an overwhelmingly black team for decades. No player who has played for them has ever accused management of being racist. No employee has ever done so.
Perhaps the reason is that it has only been in the last 10-15 years that NFL-draftable quarterbacks have been more commonly available?
You are basically arguing that Tisch (who is Jewish) and Mara (who is about as cosmopolitan as you can get) are bigots.
So stop dancing around and just say it.
I've had the thought, but no, I don't think it's a bigoted organization. Still, the lack of black QBs on the field, in meaningful games, for the Giants, is weird.
My company has a very white office. I know the people at the top aren't bigots, but that outcome is weird, too. And the industry we serve is aware of it, just as the NFL world is aware of the Giants odd lack of black men under center.
In an office, where people can have long careers but there's also a lot of turnover, you can get a diverse workplace if you make an effort to. I always try to hire an inclusive group (women, people of color, people with disabilities) when I assemble a team of freelancers. But the very white office is still weird to me.
The QB position on a football team is different. The Giants have had a couple of developmental black QBs (Andre Woodson and Ryan Perilloux, right?) who didn't pan out, and Josh Freeman and Geno Smith. But with Eli taking almost every snap for something like 15 years, opportunities have been limited. So they can be absolutely inclusive, un-biased, not racist one bit, and the outcome is still peculiar.
Having a black QB isn't a goal. Having a great QB is a goal. These roster spots aren't diversity hires. You go for the guy you think is best. But when it's time to choose, what are you looking at? It's normal for people to be more comfortable with people they perceive as being like themselves. What parts of Daniel Jones made the Giants more comfortable with him? He's the kind of QB they've had before. He comes from the same coach as the guy they've had. He's got other qualities they have had before and liked. That's pure football. Does his appearance figure in? It's very hard to separate that out, because unconscious bias can alter perception.
You look around the league and black QBs are routine now, except for the Giants, who almost never seem to have one on the field. I don't think it's racism, but the outcome is... odd.
You're odd.
I think that the Giants purported racial bias says more about Carter’s own predujudice than anything about the Giants
Carter is projecting his own bias into the Giants selection
He cannot comprehend that the Giants could prefer Jones to Haskins
I guess that makes me a bigot because I did not like Haskins
But how would that explain that l love Murray ?
I guess that I am a selective bigot
I only like athletic black QBs and dislike stationary unathletic black QBs
I think that the Giants like winning and I do not think that wins come in colors
Eli never took a week off, so even if they had a black backup he'd have only been on the field in mop-up duty or garbage time, like David Carr and Ryan Nassib.
Pretty much true for me too.
The only good thing about this nonsense is that it reminds me stupidity is not confined to any particular political orientation.
You're odd.
That's true.
For instance, you can take pride in the fact that the Giants were one of the first NFL teams to hire a black GM - while also being disappointed that they were the last franchise to have a black QB start a game.
As alluded to in other comments, you can have the view that there may exist some inherent bias against black QBs within the organization without going as far as to say that the team is run by white supremacists. It's really not something that should be discussed in such simple terms.
For instance, you can take pride in the fact that the Giants were one of the first NFL teams to hire a black GM - while also being disappointed that they were the last franchise to have a black QB start a game.
As alluded to in other comments, you can have the view that there may exist some inherent bias against black QBs within the organization without going as far as to say that the team is run by white supremacists. It's really not something that should be discussed in such simple terms.
Well said.
Also, I don’t know if anyone is saying this was a conscious point. It’s not like their scouting report on Haskins was like “Black, so possibly not smart enough to be QB.” People are more saying it could have been subconscious racism which happens every day in various situations and people don’t even notice it.
Regardless of Haskins’s talent around him at Ohio St., ask yourself: would Daniel Jones also have thrown 50 TDs in that offense and broken Drew Brees’s record? He might have had a nice year but Haskins was truly impressive for being a 1st-year starter. That’s the other thing I don’t get. The knock on Haskins being a starter just one year. Like doesn’t that make what he did even more impressive? Daniel Jones started 3 years and it’s not like he lit it up his 3rd season thanks to all his experience. That tells me he may have already hit his ceiling, right? Also remember that Ohio St offense was not particularly perfectly suited for Haskins’s game, he tailored his game to fit the system and it worked out beautifully.
Maybe you could argue Jones is “smarter” because he went to Duke, but having a high football IQ is an entirely different thing, and Haskins we know had a high football IQ. Hell Lamar Jackson does an awful job in interviews but Ravens coaches raved about how quickly he could digest the playbook and process information and feedback and apply to his game on the field.
I’m not even saying Haskins is going to be a star, but he was clearly a better prospect and we at least know had the potential to be GREAT. Jones was good in college and they’re asking him to be GREAT in the NFL. I think they overthought this one, just my opinion, not my job though so we’ll see. We can’t know what all the factors were that went into the decision but it is true the Giants have had a particular racial bias at that position over the years compared to other teams, that’s just a fact, and it didn’t even necessarily have to be something that was conscious or deliberate.
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That most people on here never learned to read. Either that or they have a worse attention span than the supposed “millenials”
Is this where you try to destroy Eric's reputation by calling him racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc because he has a different opinion than you?
Exhibit A
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That most people on here never learned to read. Either that or they have a worse attention span than the supposed “millenials”
Is this where you try to destroy Eric's reputation by calling him racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc because he has a different opinion than you?
Exhibit A
Don't hoist yourself up. You have been lacking a nuanced approach. There is a lot of nuance on this thread and you are not above it all.
let’s not conflate Cris friggin’ Carter with anything representing a journalist. This is as irresponsible a take as it gets. ESPN is a joke.
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Doing whatever it takes to stay relevant by firing up the know nothing fan.
let’s not conflate Cris friggin’ Carter with anything representing a journalist. This is as irresponsible a take as it gets. ESPN is a joke.
Bigotry will never die if folks refuse to move on from it. The amazing irony that those who tout its injustice keep it alive & well...
Wow...so if you see an injustice you should turn a blind eye and hope it resolves itself and disappears? How about bigotry being removed because folks stop being bigots instead of allowing them to continue in their bigotry?
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I've said what I needed to say on this thread.
Again, if you truly believe the Giants make decisions based on race, why are you supporting this team?
That says more about you than the Giants.
The version of the Giants you think some of us are talking about are exclusionist. That actively move to exclude black quarterbacks.
What we’re actually discussing is an organization that may or may not have a subconscious preference for white quarterbacks.
They’re absolutely not the same thing. The former is a caricature.
"subconscious" ??? Stop... you sound like some 1st year gender studies idiot.
So the same owner that hired a black GM is a "subconscious" racist?
"He was fired" he has fired because he was awful at his job.
This BS systemic racism crap is just another way for librals to hold black people down. "Its not your fault you suck at life America is racist" ignoring that fact that we hired a black president...twice, have a black supreme court justice and black people have occupied virtually every know occupation.
What's the ratio of Black athletes to white athletes?
Draft just happened... how many white people were taken vs black people?
Stop with your bull shit race baiting its making the world a worst place