Do you think the Giants have a surprise 9-7 season in them?

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So many new pieces on defense. Hard to even know how that side of the ball is going to come together. If they are as good as we hope (better) I'd say 9-7 is possible.

traded away too much of the limited high-end talent that they previously had.

There's some real hope for 2020 though IMO, if Giants can finally move on from Eli and 2019 draft, 2020 draft and next year's free agency with cap room goes well.

There's always a surprise team or 2 every year. I don't think it's likely but a bounce here or there and some decent protection for Manning and who knows?

3 things need to happen for a winning season.
1. The oline needs to gel early and keep manning clean
2. Golden and Carter need to emerge as quality pass rushers
3. Our rookie corners need to contribute in a meaningful way

All those happen and we might have a chance.

A) What NFL are we watching to think they can't

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B) this feels like the year before a window is opening. 2020 - with Eli off the books, Jones taking over and a ton of cap room - will be a very interesting team.

I like the smell of this one so far. I think we could surprise this year.

Seems like a favorable schedule on paper. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Eli put one last quality season together. I’ve seen a lot of vets do that.

with a high ceiling. They're raw. If they do go 9-7, wouldn't be surprised its with a long winning streak to end the season with the D starting to turn it on.

I still think they need another playmaker on offense and some veterans signed for the D-Line to be competitive against the Cowboys and Eagles. They're building and getting close, but I think they need another offseason with a massive cap space to be a playoff team. Once they do, I wouldn't be surprised if they're dominant for 3+ years.

Yes, I think they could be a surprise team

but I think 2020 is a better target.

that the Giants could make the playoffs this year based on the expectation that they would draft an elite pass rusher and an RT. They did neither.

If Golden and Carter on the edges and Lawrence in the middle can generate a pass rush and Remmers is signed and performs at even a mediocre level, I think they can be relevant again.

if you look at last season after the bye (8 games), we went 4-4 and three of the four losses were very close (3 points and two 1-pointers).

If the second half of last season was a better indicator of this year than the first half of last season, which is not irrational given new coaches etc., being slightly over .500 this year at 9-7 doesn't seem so farfetched. Plus, I think the D backfield is going to be greatly improved.

In comment 14437904 mittenedman said:

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A) What NFL are we watching to think they can't

This. Any team in the league can go 9-7 in a given year. The Bills went 9-7 two years ago with Tavaris Jackson.

Do I expect it? No, but won't be surprised if it happens.The big thing is don't get carried away if they do. They are not close to being a year-in year-out contender yet.

6-10, 10-6, and everything in between wouldn’t shock me

A lot has to break right, but this team isn’t far off. The 2020 resurrection in upon us

nor enough time to learn to win. i think it highly unlike we win close games, so 9-7 unlikely, not impossible.

I have high hopes for this team this year. If they stay healthy they can win it all. No team is without holes.

But it will be fun watching the young players grow. I think they will be one of those teams that teams in the hunt dont want to play. 5-7 wins, with Jones taking the job late

They play the AFC East, so 3-1 there is far from impossible.

I don't think the rest of the NFC East is that far ahead of them and think 4-2 is at least possible there.

Do those 2 things and they just need 2 wins from: Bucs, Vikes, Cards, Lions, Bears, and Pack. Heading into the season they should be favored in at least 2 of those (Bucs, Cards) and possibly 3 (Lions).

Giants SOS is .473...one of the easiest in the NFL. They won 6 games last year. 3 more is definitely doable.

9-7 baby...let's go.

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QB: 4
RB: 10
WR: 5
TE: 4
OT: 5 if Remmers is signed and healthy
OG: 8
C: 3

DT: 7
DE: 5
Edge: 5
ILB: 4
S: 6 with upside
CB: 6 with upside but some growing pains

That all equates to a 6-10 team (estimate).

Yes for several reasons:

1. The schedule
2. Eli knows this is it and that clutch gene just might show up
3. I know in my heart of hearts OBJ will prove to be additional by subtraction. With Engram especially.
4. The NFL is extremely unpredictable.
5. I think the team is better overall than the past few years.

No for one big reason:

1. Pat Shumur

RT and Pass rusher being in limbo right now is also obviously an issue until hopefully it isn't.

Gun to my head, I think we are in contention for a playoff spot once the Holidays roll around but ultimately fall short and finish 7-9 or 8-8.

A 10 win season would be a surprise

I think the 1984 comparison is a good one. 9-7 and a wildcard. Make it so!

It s possible.

Talent around the league is close. Intangibles often separate winners from losers. I get the feeling from afar, Giants are a more motivated come together type of team this year, we ll see.

The line was pitiful last year, the team started 1-7 largely as a result of the dreadful line.

Don't forget that last year's line was historically bad. One of the worst OLs in NFL modern history. It was an abomination and a disgrace to the NY Giants franchise.

I think C is still a problem. I'm assuming Remmers will be the starting RT. Zeitler at RG is an unbelievable upgrade.

I think this is a 8-8 club, unless Shurmur is a bust. We shall see.

anything is possible

I think this year is a developmental year for Jones, so I think it’s crucial he gets snaps.

It is interesting on BBI, there is a group that thinks this is a 2-4 win team which I think is overly doom & gloom. Looking at the schedule & year 2 in these systems, is this really a sub 5 win team?

4 and 2 in the last 6 games ( upside is jelling vs the need for quality depth shows up).

That tells me more about where we are.

Also, unlike close but losses to good teams I'd like to see some solid wins against solid teams. maybe 3 of them across the year.

Victories where its the opponents 2nd qb versus our rookie secondary can give equally false indications of 2020.

Solid late season wins against solid teams.

dont care about any individual performance...so bad record and flashes from Jones dont do it for me

That this team wins more than 7 games. They were poor last year and got rid of some of their best players.

I see 10-6 or 11-5.

Dont underestimate the culture shift and mindset.

There is talent on this team but a lot of youth on D. If it comes together quick they could easily win double digits.

QB: same
RB: probably the same or even better
WR: significant decline
TE: same
OT: better assuming Remmers is adequate, same if Wheeler is the guy
OG: significant improvement
C: same

all def positions with marginal or significant improvement

Huge fan of the Zeitler trade but RT and depth is still an issue at OL and I don't think Eli or the WRs are good enough to make up for that deficiency.

Defensively, like the new pieces we added in the draft but they're all young and will need time to develop. Expecting all those players to pan out in 2019 is a tough bet.

2020 will be the interesting year as a) those young players will have time to develop and b) the Giants will have a lot of cap space and money to patch up holes and add star power.

Pass rush? Where?

OL still question til proven

Qb position?


Wr? Who is threat?

Turnover and players trying to grasp system will hold win total down..plus "learning to win" a factor

Gettleman's been doing his job, now it's time to see Shurmur do his job.

There are a lot of ways to evaluate a coach beyond record, but in the end, wins are what it's all about. Pat really needs a winning season in the worst way. I was fine with him as the choice, but the first year put me on the fence. I'm afraid a dismal season this year will have me solidly hoping for a replacement.

9-7 would do wonders for him given the state of the transition. An excellent coach can get there, imo.

I would potentially upgrade that if we make another significant personnel move before going into training camp. We're still looking for a RT to upgrade Wheeler. I'll also feel better about the season if I know Pulley has won the starting center job over Halapio who I'm not a believer in.

I think it's very unlikely, but if we were to pull that off, I think it requires two main components.

1) A serviceable defense
2) The offensive line completely 180'ing.

I think the O-line is more important than anything. If we can control the LIR on running plays, pushing the defense back and exhausting them, and protect Manning, the offense has some guys that can make things happen. I still believe we haven't seen the best of Engram.

But the reason I'm saying it's unlikely is because I don't see #2 happening, and without Beckham, I don't think we have the guy who can steal a couple games with incredible 180+ yard games. We're not going to steal anything this year without Beckham, so we need to be dominant on a play to play basis... and it ain't happening, IMO.

In comment 14437949 Pep22 said:

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QB: same RB: probably the same or even better WR: significant decline TE: same OT: better assuming Remmers is adequate, same if Wheeler is the guy OG: significant improvement C: same all def positions with marginal or significant improvement

Bingo. And that's a team that went 4-4 in their last 8.

so yes, winning 3 more than that shouldn't be that hard if they get the defense fixed and maintain the momentum they developed over last year on offense.

The Giants are in the 7-9 win range this season and show the idiots that trading Beckham was a good football move.

Eli league MVP
Lombardi #5

You heard it here first.

NFC Champs 17-19 believe and it will happen.

Do better then that. But they needed to overhaul the entire roster, and they did. Now we will start to reap the benefits of that sometime this season.

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In comment 14437967 bradshaw44 said:

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Eli league MVP Lombardi #5 You heard it here first.

You beat me to the punch. With an extra win I might add. good work!!!

two years ago this team was 3-13; last year they started 1-7 before winning against teams playing 2nd and 3rd string caliber quarterbacks. the schedule is not difficult, there have been upgrades at right guard, defensive tackle and the secondary. at the same time, we said goodbye to a dynamic offensive threat in beckham; outside of barkley, there isn't anyone who truly scares defensive coordinators; and the pass rush is still a big question mark.

I think this team goes somewhere in the range of 4-12 and 6-10.

I think he'll be around long enough to show he's not a playoff game-winning coach, and they bring in someone else when it's time to win games.

they set:

Improved OL
Featured running game
Short effective passes to SS/GT/EE

Keep the games close....use the pass rush/CB's to keep the other team from winning those games at the end we lost last year.