Do you think the Giants have a surprise 9-7 season in them?

It's a very young team with a lot of turnover. A lot of young guys getting their first NFL action. 2-5 wouldn't surprise me. BBI losing its collective mind, calling for Shurmur to be fired, Eli to be benched, etc.

But at that point I wouldn't be surprised to see them go 7-2 and finish 9-7. It's a helluva long season nowadays. Things can shift profoundly in a short time.

Team defense speed improved. Stout stopping the run. Lawrence in discussion for DROY and also shows ability to rush passer. Bettcher is able to scheme 40 sacks with his new toys.

Strong OL and creative offense maximizing weapons. Team rallies behind Eli who plays best in pressure situations (needs a new contract!)

The big issue and it is a big one is injuries. They still need another off-season and draft to become a deep team.

Philly feels the effect of aging OL and suspect secondary.
Dallas struggles in passing game. I would have been worried about Washington if they had Alex Smith.

MVP... Its almost like you forgot who he is and what he does best.

2007 - Eli is a Bust

2011 - Eli ain't elite

2019 - Eli is done

Sick of losing, I’m not getting any younger

Looks what the Colts did last year
And their Roster was bad before the draft.

On the bright side, if we suck we'll get to see Daniel Jones sooner😀

For any team in the NFL. Just depends on how everything shakes out on a week to week basis.

Lots of things have to go right but we have enough
talent to be 500 or better . A lot depends on the O-line
Jelling and the defense playing up to there capabilities
I would love to see Eli at least have one good last
season and even if its transitioning . Guy has been
Everything we could have wished for gonna miss Easy E

In comment 14438128 Zeke's Alibi said:

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apparent to the average fan. I think he unfairly gets skewered here. Even the one time he got it right, when to go for 2 people killed him because the offense couldn't execute. One time Eli missed a wide open guy in front of him and the other was when we were down 2 td's and scored and went for 2. The analytics are pretty clear on that second one.

The issue with Shurmur last year was doing dumb shit like not getting the ball enough to Barkley in the second half in the Philly road game. That game was such a royal fuck up from a play calling and coaching standpoint.

Why the fuck would you cut down on touches on a guy who was killing Philly all day? And you're winning. I dont care it it is by way of screens or shotgun draws. Give him the ball.

That's why you picked him so high, right?

In comment 14438038 YorkAveGiant said:

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Eli won them 9 games last year...and they were terrible. this year they will not lose those games and likely find at least 1 more. 10-6

This is one of the odder posts I’ve read on BBI lately.

...approaching a winning season as a Head Coach.

We have focused our attention on the players. But a football Head Coach can make a real difference.

IMO, Pat Shurmur is as proven a commodity as our starting Center, Jon Halapio.

The jury is still out. Until they are back in the court room, no way this team accrues 9 wins!

the past years we have come out of the gate and sucked the season is pretty much over by week 6

this year we have a super easy schedule front loaded so by week 10 the bye week
we could be 4-6 or even 5-5 but after the bye we are not winning one more game

4- 12
or 5 -11 for this squad

the 3 burning questions this year

1. which game will Jones finally come into take over for Eli ?
2. will Gettlemen retire?
3 will Shurmur get fired for another lousy year

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In comment 14438109 gidiefor said:

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In comment 14437971 Go Terps said: Quote: . Not sure why this is a sound position -- Shurmur took a mediocre QB (Chase Keenan, who has not been able to play well afterwards), an UDFA WR (Theilin) and a 5th rd draft pick (Diggs) and turned all 3 into stars with a RB (Cook 2nd Rd Rookie) who was IRed early in the season and RB Latvius Murray - and a patched together Oline in Minnesota to the playoffs Now he has Eli Manning -- who is light years better than Keenan - two solid receivers (Shep and Tate) - a solid receiving TE (Engram), and improving WR in Corey Coleman - a lights out RB (Barkley) and 3 solid starters on Oline - and 1 midlin center and possibly his dude Remmers back at RT from his Minn playoff year He has a really good D Coordinator who has a young fast group - with some budding and potential stars - much deep than last year and he plays an aggressive style Shurmur kept them playing last year and they showed upswing over the course of a season -- they got rid of show boat Beckham, wounded warrior Vernon, box safety Collins and presumably got more team oriented and faster with their 10 draft picks and Peppers - who is an upgrade over Collins -- the starting backfield may now be a strength - they have a run stopping mammoth for the middle of the field solving their two major defensive problems from last year I think maybe a little perspective is in order

Let's quit putting Jabril Peppers in the hall of fame. Fans keep talking about the guy like he's an all pro while at the same time marginalizing a player who's accomplished a lot more. It's weird to call for perspective and yet do this.

Expectations are WAY down.

4-12 or 5-11

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but after the bye we are not winning one more game

I hate when people say shut like this with authority. We have no idea what the Giants are, let alone the strength of their opponents 3 months into the season.

There are so many moving parts. There is so much turnover week to week. Teams that look good on paper will suck and vice versa. Teams will start strong and fade in November.

This shit happens every year, yet every May people look at games scheduled for December and go "yeah we can't win that".

But, it also wouldn't shock me.

In comment 14438038 YorkAveGiant said:

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Eli won them 9 games last year...and they were terrible. this year they will not lose those games and likely find at least 1 more. 10-6

So Eli won 9 games but the defense gave them away. Is that what you are saying?

He has never won. With a hard ass coach maybe 8-8:. Schumer appeased Beckham what’s he gonna do,when they start losing again?

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but after the bye we are not winning one more game I hate when people say shut like this with authority. We have no idea what the Giants are, let alone the strength of their opponents 3 months into the season. There are so many moving parts. There is so much turnover week to week. Teams that look good on paper will suck and vice versa. Teams will start strong and fade in November.

I am giving benefit of doubt early on in schedule .. Giants will most likely stumble out of gate like the past few years .. so they could have an even worse record going into bye

after bye

at Chicago Bears
Green Bay Packers
at Philadelphia Eagles
Miami Dolphins
at Washington Redskins
.Philadelphia Eagles

obviously the Dolphins are the easy game in this run... maybe Packers suck again
so yeah maybe we go 2-4 our last 6 games.. but maybe we go 3 -7 in our first 10 too

I am pessimist -- Gettleman got rid off all our playmakers on defense and all on offense except Barkley . His drafting a QB @ number 6 pretty much admits this is rebuilding year.

It becomes a dumpster fire and call for Eli's benching happens after they lose the next game to the Bills.

He gets yanked when they lose to the Bucs and go 0-3.

We see Jones vs. Haskins week 4.

1 year from now

on the tiebreakers

Reverse the record to 7 and 9. We still are a year away to being a contender on the NFC East. One more good draft in 2020 and smart FA signings.

Despite the chaotic loud media coverage and loud fan outbreak, very quietly (loudly) gettleman has reset this roster with young talent, including the coveted young cost controlled qb. It could be a lot worse from a roster building POV. This draft really is huge if DG hits on a few of these picks, that would be two big hit drafts in a row. As we know both good and bad these drafts start to add up...

Pretty much 5 picks in the top 100 if you count love (108 overall) 3 first rounders. From most observers this was supposed to be a deep draft. Jones is obviously the key.

we end up being 10-6.

In comment 14437933 joeinpa said:

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It s possible. Talent around the league is close. Intangibles often separate winners from losers. I get the feeling from afar, Giants are a more motivated come together type of team this year, we ll see.

I think this depends on 3 things:

1) Stay Healthy
2) Get off to at least a .500 start after the first 6 games.
3) The young defense comes together down the stretch , and the young players are producing.

In comment 14438124 widmerseyebrow said:

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I could see a contingent on BBI rooting against the Giants so that they don't entertain the thought of extending Eli.

Spot on, I can also see this happening. And I’m sure both of us can imagine who some of that contingent would be made up of.

In more manageable situations this year. Nearly Every week last year the game was close to or at an out of control level. Kinda hard to manage the clock when you’re getting your ass kicked. Easy to second guess. Plus I look at shurmur as a care-taker type coach anyway.

In comment 14438302 djm said:

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In more manageable situations this year. Nearly Every week last year the game was close to or at an out of control level. Kinda hard to manage the clock when you’re getting your ass kicked. Easy to second guess. Plus I look at shurmur as a care-taker type coach anyway.

No more WR reverses inside the 10 yard line.

But who rushes the QB? Who’s the CBs after Jenkins? Who covers TEs/RBs? Too many questions on D.

Improved greatly on Def. I also think our Def cost us a ton of games. Our safeties are better, CBs are better, DL better, LBs could be better. On Offense I think our Off lives and dies by having a good OL. This will be the best OL we have had in 7-8 years. The key to Eli is if you don’t give him time he is very average but if you give him time he is very good. We upgrade RT and I think absolutely think we can get to 9-10 wins.

In comment 14438097 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 14438094 Route 9 said: Quote: Win the opener in Dallas and you have my attention. Doesn't matter if it's a 13-10 nail-biter or Eli throws 7 interceptions in the process but if they find a way to win, then OK. If it's something in conformity with the last two, hard, lump of excrement, season road openers at Dallas, fucking forget it. Going to be a very long year. If Eli throws 7 picks in the opener in a win we'd still have people here saying he should start.

Name one.



Besides Dep.

In comment 14438345 BlueLou'sBack said:

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In comment 14438097 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: In comment 14438094 Route 9 said: Quote: Win the opener in Dallas and you have my attention. Doesn't matter if it's a 13-10 nail-biter or Eli throws 7 interceptions in the process but if they find a way to win, then OK. If it's something in conformity with the last two, hard, lump of excrement, season road openers at Dallas, fucking forget it. Going to be a very long year. If Eli throws 7 picks in the opener in a win we'd still have people here saying he should start. Name one. Besides Dep.

If 5 of the 7 are drops by the WR’s would you still want him benched?

I don’t see it. But, you never know...

Anything is possible because of the massive amount of personnel turnover. We're in year two of these systems but some key players will be in it for year one. Zeitler, essentially Halapio, possibly Remmers, Golden Tate are all in year one. Lawrence, DeAndre Baker, Jabril Peppers, Julian Love, Sam Beal, Oshane Ximines, Ryan Connelly will all have a steep learning curve as well. If guys like Antoine Bethea, Markus Golden and the holdover OL guys help out enough we can hit our stride by mid season. There is far more back 7 speed and talent and versatility but it's all new to the team or the system save Janoris Jenkins, Lorenzo Carter and Alec Ogletree.

I think if Tate can pick up the system and Zeitler slides in well the offense can be good right away. The defense will take time but it has so many young talented parts, it should gel during the season. I think next year and the one after are the ones to really watch us.

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so apparently I don't know shit.

If we win nine games with this roster Schumer should be voted coach of the year.

But there are 9 winnable games on there schedule (vs. buff, at tampa, vs. wash, vs. zona, @ det, vs. dal, @ Jets, vs. Miami, @ Wash). It's possible.

I don't know what you're all rambling bout. They're going to get better. Hopefully, by 2021, they'll be a playoff team. 2019 and 2020 are all about reloading. 2018 ws about reshuffling the deck with respect to the cancers on the team. The Giants have got to break in Jones at QB in 2020. 2019 is Eli's swan song. Have Jones watch and learn from Easy E. If Jones shows positive signs in 2020, then NYG will be in good shape going forward from 2021 onwards. It's nice to be optimistic, but curb your enthusiasm just a bit folks. IT's still a work in progress. Enjoy the process. The Ws will follow eventually if it's built right, but that time is certainly not now.

why can't it be big blue? Get a decent right tackle in, and the O can explpde with Saquon and play-action.

Especially if it meant missing the playoffs. I'm thinking 11-5 or 12-4 if they're not undone by injuries.

9-7 or 10-6 is possible they fixed a helluva lot of the teams problems zietler and tate are huge pickups the draft fixed the defences most glaring holes at NT and not only fixed the CB position but added depth too

i do think peppers will be better in coverage than collins was so i dont think thats putting the guy in the HoF saying that,bethea gives them the QB of the secondry to keep them lined up corrrectly that also an upgrade thats not being factored at this point by many

i think DG nailed his second draft in a row i think josh allen will bust im not so sure jones is the right guy yet but im open to the idea and will be happy to be proved wrong about him. i personally would have taken devin bush or ed oliver there over allen anyway and i would have taken grier later in the draft

i would also have taken big ben or rivers from that draft they ended up trading for eli in as well. jones this year is why they were so comfortable taking barkley last year so they have conviction the fans dont have about him,he is a much better runner than they had so he does have the legs to get first downs and touchdowns in the redzone they havent had since eli's early years which is a dimension they havent had for a while

they could just as easily be a 3-6 win team as well but i think the defence is better and if halapio comes back 100% and is as good as they think and they can add a RT i would lean to more of the 9-10 win year over the 9-10 loss year but we need to see them in preseason to gauge if we think they did get that much better overall or not

they need the OL to be much better to spring barkley and they needed tate to keep a sefety deep and not give barkley constant 8 man boxes to beat every play this is why DG signed him i was surprised the level of venom he got for signing him i thought it was a very good pickup but after trading beckham he knew he was going to be public enemy number 1 regardless

In comment 14438434 Milton said:

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Especially if it meant missing the playoffs. I'm thinking 11-5 or 12-4 if they're not undone by injuries.

I can’t imagine having expectations that high for this season. It’s a lovely thought, and I am always hopeful that we win double digit games... but there is no evidence yet to support that kind of optimism.

Heck, the 2018 Giants could easily have gone 9-7 with a few breaks, and without the early injuries to Vernon, Engram and Halapio. They still would have been a poorly-constructed, paper-thin team. The 2019 version is better - at least on paper. So yes, they could very well go 9-7. And after doing that, they would be equally likely to go 12-4 or 4-12 in 2020.

I’d say 9-7 is definitely possible. If we made the jump from 5 wins to 9 and keep building the roster, I think we can all agree Shurmur has righted the ship at least for the immediate future. I think 2020 is the serious contender year. If we make the playoffs this year, it’ll be a bonus.

here are saying that “Gettleman got rid of all of our talent on defense”

Sure, Vernon, JPP, Harrison were “talented” but outside of Snacks, those guys got us absolutely nowhere. They weren’t very productive.

regarding the defense. He’s talented, yes. But where exactly did he make an impact last season?

In comment 14438441 Giantology said:

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In comment 14438434 Milton said: Quote: Especially if it meant missing the playoffs. I'm thinking 11-5 or 12-4 if they're not undone by injuries. I can’t imagine having expectations that high for this season. It’s a lovely thought, and I am always hopeful that we win double digit games... but there is no evidence yet to support that kind of optimism.

I believe in the talent on the roster and I believe in Shurmur and Bettcher. I believe in Barkley. And I'm unimpressed by the rest of the division. The Giants will be a team in which the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. That will not be the case for the Cowboys and Eagles.

Ultimately it will come down to health. Injuries will rescramble the landscape starting with training camp and continuing throughout the season. Hopefully it won't be too bad for the Giants.