The turnover on this team has been massive and a bit reminiscent of the 1983 > 1984 turnover conducted by George Young and Bill Parcells.
Expectations are very low for this team, as they were for the 1984 Giants. Shurmur/Shula/Bettcher now entering their second season.
Pure fantasy? Or realistic possibility?
It’s bad in places and very young in others. This team won’t sniff double digits, there’s going to be too many ups and downs.
Also, strength of schedule doesn’t factor in that other teams improved. The Giants could easily go 1-3 vs the AFC East as they could 3-1.
This kind of comment seems like it forgets that 1 player on defense can be individually excellent and not be a savior. Darrelle Revis didn't win anything with the Jets. Did he not make an impact? He was still all-world at his job.
A great safety on a bad defense just isn't going to save the day. One player on any unit isn't going to save the day if he's surrounded with junk. The correct way to look at it is not to run down the player. It's the expectation that's wrong.
If you think there's a chance they can win 9 games that's a decent bet.
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You beat me to the punch. With an extra win I might add. good work!!!
Standard deviation of +1/-1 and we picked exactly the same!
But 2020 could be better if they draft well.
If they're not a playoff team, I don't care all that much if they win 5 or 10 games as long as they are able to form an identity and some of the younger talent continues to progress.
ESPN simulated the 2019 season 40,000 times. Every team managed to win the Super Bowl. The article about the simulations said that even the Dolphins managed to win it once. I would assume the Giants won it at least twice.
There is too much parity in the league for a team to have no chance whatsoever of a winning season. Or at least in May.
What about the wins that could have gone the other way because other teams let them slip away?
Differences
- Shurmur is in year 2 whereas '17 Bears were last year of John Fox and '18 Bears were year 1 of Nagy.
- Giants have Eli, who is obviously better than Glennon as a placeholder until Jones is ready
- '18 Bears had Khalil Mack
'17 Bears won 5 games
'18 Bears won 12 games
Median = 9 wins
But I do agree with others, this org is more setup to compete in 2020. The cap room should help add another defensive impact player as well as the 2020 draft capital.
Better than the Eagles/Cowboys as the sum of the parts? I will say Brandon Brooks injury is a massive blow to the Eagles, but they have Carson Wentz one year removed from his injury. Expect a big step up there. There is a reason Vegas has them as faves to win NFC East. The Cowboys defense is legit and if Travis Frederick returns to form watch out. The Giants have about 6 what ifs that need to happen. Injuries can change things on a dime in the NFL as we saw with the Redskins last year. They lost the majority of their Oline in one game and QB the next. They were probably on their way to 10 wins.
Then on the D side we have an influx of better fitting peices at Bettcher's disposal.
And lets not underrate the character/culture improvement.
Lastly easier schedule. 10-6 is not out of the question. Biggest wild card to me is how quickly Bettcher can get all these young new peices playing defense how he wants to play defense. If this D is just average we have enough firepower with Saquon who could already by the best overall offensive weapon in the NFL to win double digit games.
If you think there's a chance they can win 9 games that's a decent bet.
If I'm going by memory, I am fairly certain that the 2016 opener in Dallas is the only Week 1 game the Giants have won since 2010.
Nearly an entire decade of losing our first game of the season.
Not how you want to start. I want to see that change this year. Teams are always vulnerable in Week 1 because they haven't fully identified what's going to work and what isn't.
We need to go into that building and get a win.
1-7 in our last 8 openers is inexcusable. We need to stop getting off on the wrong foot.
If I'm going by memory, I am fairly certain that the 2016 opener in Dallas is the only Week 1 game the Giants have won since 2010.
Nearly an entire decade of losing our first game of the season.
Not how you want to start. I want to see that change this year. Teams are always vulnerable in Week 1 because they haven't fully identified what's going to work and what isn't.
We need to go into that building and get a win.
1-7 in our last 8 openers is inexcusable. We need to stop getting off on the wrong foot.
It is clear and plain that there is a bias against the Giants when involving the Cowboys. I get the Giants draw ratings vs the Cowboys but why does that ALWAYS have to be in Dallas? Huh?
I think there was once when the Giants opened at home vs Dallas and the Giants were defending champions. Surprised no one raised the proposal to have that game IN Dallas so the little bitch Cowboys and their fans got their way. Still a lot of Dallas fans in NJ who got their way thanks to David Wilson and I remember Victor Cruz not doing so well in that game.
Beat Dallas in Dallas. That would make me begin to believe we are a playoff type team.
Collins led the team in tackles for the 4th straight year. That probably had some impact don't you think?
Just because the overall team hasn't been good lately doesn't mean we didn't have good players. Bad coaching and lots of bad players were the problem and not Collins, Snacks, JPP, Vernon and certainly not OBJ.
Then on the D side we have an influx of better fitting peices at Bettcher's disposal.
And lets not underrate the character/culture improvement.
Lastly easier schedule. 10-6 is not out of the question. Biggest wild card to me is how quickly Bettcher can get all these young new peices playing defense how he wants to play defense. If this D is just average we have enough firepower with Saquon who could already by the best overall offensive weapon in the NFL to win double digit games.
lol, funny how you left out getting shutout by a mediocre Titans team 17-0. Also the 40 points was against a Redskins team that was tanking. The 35 points was against a cowboys team that was resting everybody that was at all nicked up. The 27 points against the colts was legit though .... but we still lost.
hmm, I would say it's more of a cardinal statistic.
lol, you just lost all your credibility.
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In 3 of the last 4 games. Remember we did that without OBJ. Now you add Tate and a further improved OL to that mix. Shurmur began to better understand how to use Engram late season too.
Then on the D side we have an influx of better fitting peices at Bettcher's disposal.
And lets not underrate the character/culture improvement.
Lastly easier schedule. 10-6 is not out of the question. Biggest wild card to me is how quickly Bettcher can get all these young new peices playing defense how he wants to play defense. If this D is just average we have enough firepower with Saquon who could already by the best overall offensive weapon in the NFL to win double digit games.
lol, funny how you left out getting shutout by a mediocre Titans team 17-0. Also the 40 points was against a Redskins team that was tanking. The 35 points was against a cowboys team that was resting everybody that was at all nicked up. The 27 points against the colts was legit though .... but we still lost.
Defense is the bigger question mark but we have alot more talent and better fitting pieces for Bettcher's D. Question is how quickly can they get acclimated to the NFL.
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lol, you just lost all your credibility.
Care to dispute the validity of my words or are you just going to make an insult without any evidence like 97% of people these days?
If not, just run along and let the big boys talk football.
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overrated Giant of all time
lol, you just lost all your credibility.
Care to dispute the validity of my words or are you just going to make an insult without any evidence like 97% of people these days?
If not, just run along and let the big boys talk football.
Hey new account. What's your previous handle?
I'm excited to see Baker go to work, and Lawrence is already pro level. Of course he can get better, too.
They say OLs need time to gel too, but Zeitler and Remmers have had a few turns on the dance floor already. I think they'll mesh quicker than Solder and Hernandez did last year.
They have the backfield, they've improved the O line. Now all they have to do is utilize them to keep the ball away from Eli and the other team.
This defense will be on the field a lot, give up a lot of points, and will not let the offense establish itself.
This offense is not a come from behind type offense and the defense is not nearly close enough to compliment it the way it is currently structured.
We are 5-11 to 7-9 at best and that is more due to an easier schedule when compared to last year than improved roster. I think we need another draft and need to get Eli off the books and get some FA's here.
This defense will be on the field a lot, give up a lot of points, and will not let the offense establish itself.
This offense is not a come from behind type offense and the defense is not nearly close enough to compliment it the way it is currently structured.
We are 5-11 to 7-9 at best and that is more due to an easier schedule when compared to last year than improved roster. I think we need another draft and need to get Eli off the books and get some FA's here.
Then you must have thought the 2nd half of last year was a total aberration offensively. What has downgraded from that team? Coaching, talent, culture? OBJ didn't play most of those games and we've upgraded in many other spots and are now 2nd year in the system.
Then genius Reese drafts OBJ in '14 and the Giants have an even worse record, 6-10. OK he was injured the first games of his career in 2014. OK. Then what gave in 2015? Still went 6-10.
He is not needed. I'd much rather have a decent offensive line, solid defense and running game. Give me Golden Tate any day over OBJ and Randle.