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NFT: IIHF Hockey World Championships Start Today (Hughes/Kakko)

pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 10:34 am
and you will be able to see a few draft prospects, and some great hockey.

this is becoming better than the Olympics since many elite pro players see this as a great opportunity to play for their country.

Besides Hughes (USA) and Kakko (Finland) some notables on various rosters:

USA:
Kane
Larkin
Gaudreau
Debrincat
Eichel
Kreider
Fox (NYR)
Hanifin
Quinn Hughes
Skjei
JVR
Colin White
Alec Martinez
Suter
Jack Hughes

Canada
Couturier
Turris
Reinhart
Stone
Mantha
Cirelli
Chabot
Nurse
Montour
Marchessault
Strome (Dylan)
Henrique
Bertuzzi (tyler)
Fabbro
Severson
Carter Hart

Russia (loaded)
Ovi
Malkin
Kovalchuk
Kucherov
Kuznetsov
Sergachev
vasilevsky
Dadonov
Georgiev (NYR)
Sorokin (NYI)
Anisimov
Zaitsev
Orlov

Sweden:
Pettersson
Lundqvist (NYR)
Lindholm
Nylander
Hornqvist
Bratt (NJD)
Kempe
OEL
Ekholm
Larsson

Fins
(Kakko mentioned)
Jokiharju

and not much else people would recognize

Slovaks:
Sekera
Panik
tatar
Cernak

Czechs:
Gudas
Simon
Vrana
Palat
Chytil (NYR)
Voracek
Frolik


USA vs Slovakia today I think at 2:15

Long tourney, 7 prelim games before the medal round.

Rosters also fluctuate somewhat as teams are eliminated from NHL and juniors playoffs.
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found a decent stream  
Burt64 : 5/10/2019 10:37 am : link
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Kakko  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 10:40 am : link
with a nice goal for the Fins in their opening game vs Canada (on now)
I was leaning more towards Hughes for the #1 pick  
Jay on the Island : 5/10/2019 10:44 am : link
Now I am all in on him after the record breaking performance of the U-18 tournament.
PJ  
Jay on the Island : 5/10/2019 10:45 am : link
thanks for always being on top of things in regards to hockey.
I'm DVRing every USA, Finland and Czech game  
Anakim : 5/10/2019 10:50 am : link
Want to see Fox, Kreider, Skjei and Hughes for the boys in blue.

Kakko for Finland.

Chytil for Czech.


Not that interested in seeing Lundqvist or Georgiev, so I'll just watch them when I can. And also, Moritz Seider for Germany. Could be in the running for our second first rounder.
Thanks Pjcas  
Ross : 5/10/2019 10:52 am : link
This is great and appreciate the link.
Nico is playing for the Swiss as well  
Stu11 : 5/10/2019 11:07 am : link
I'm with you Jay although I've been Hughes all the way. Listen Kakko will be an excellent player in the league. Hughes can be a generational type talent that makes the players on his team better. When that's there in front of you you always take the shot.
Any chance Devils take Kako #1  
Giantz_comeback : 5/10/2019 11:10 am : link
Or is it still most likely Hughes?
RE: Any chance Devils take Kako #1  
GRBlue : 5/10/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14438701 Giantz_comeback said:
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Or is it still most likely Hughes?


It's Hughes. Generational talent and Shero has history with the family
RE: RE: Any chance Devils take Kako #1  
Anakim : 5/10/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14438713 GRBlue said:
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Or is it still most likely Hughes?



It's Hughes. Generational talent and Shero has history with the family


I don't think he's a generational talent. He's not the same caliber of prospect as Sindy, Ovechkin and McDavid. He's the next tier below in the Matthews, Taylor Hall category
Video  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 11:21 am : link
of the Kakko goal
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that was a damned impressive goal  
Greg from LI : 5/10/2019 11:23 am : link
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Hughes is still 17 years old  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 11:26 am : link
I agree he's not McDavid. Few are.

But if Hughes hits his high for projection and becomes a Patrick Kane. I don't care you use generational talent label or not, that's a good f-ing player.

If he hits his floor of Clayton Keller, he's "just" a good player.

Hughes is a better skater than Matthews, but he's not 6' 3" with a sick shot like Matthews, but he does skate similar to McDavid.

Will be fun to watch Hughes and Kakko acclimate to the NHL, Kakko size will help him a lot more. But what is his peak?
RE: Hughes is still 17 years old  
Anakim : 5/10/2019 11:29 am : link
In comment 14438741 pjcas18 said:
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Will be fun to watch Hughes and Kakko acclimate to the NHL, Kakko size will help him a lot more. But what is his peak?



Greatest player of all-time...unless the Devils take him
Gotta feel for Mr. and Mrs. Hughes  
Anakim : 5/10/2019 11:35 am : link
Three kids: One in Vancouver, the second at the total opposite end of the country in New York or New Jersey, and there's a third who I don't know what the deal is.

All 19 and younger. I guess it's akin to college, but I would think that being in a professional league with grown men requires more emotional support that really only the parents can offer.
RE: Gotta feel for Mr. and Mrs. Hughes  
Anakim : 5/10/2019 11:36 am : link
In comment 14438754 Anakim said:
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Three kids: One in Vancouver, the second at the total opposite end of the country in New York or New Jersey, and there's a third who I don't know what the deal is.

All 19 and younger. I guess it's akin to college, but I would think that being in a professional league with grown men requires more emotional support that really only the parents can offer.


*Continent, not country. I know Vancouver is in Canada :P
RE: Gotta feel for Mr. and Mrs. Hughes  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14438754 Anakim said:
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Three kids: One in Vancouver, the second at the total opposite end of the country in New York or New Jersey, and there's a third who I don't know what the deal is.

All 19 and younger. I guess it's akin to college, but I would think that being in a professional league with grown men requires more emotional support that really only the parents can offer.


Some say Luke is the best of the three, but I have no clue if that's hyperbole. He plays D like Quinn and is supposed to be a better skater.

He's not eligible until the 2021 draft and has committed to Michigan, like Quinn. But who knows if he goes or not.

If Luke doesn't play up at U18 at all as a U17, He's not in his brothers class IMO (yet) just based on level.
RE: RE: Gotta feel for Mr. and Mrs. Hughes  
Anakim : 5/10/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14438765 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14438754 Anakim said:


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Three kids: One in Vancouver, the second at the total opposite end of the country in New York or New Jersey, and there's a third who I don't know what the deal is.

All 19 and younger. I guess it's akin to college, but I would think that being in a professional league with grown men requires more emotional support that really only the parents can offer.



Some say Luke is the best of the three, but I have no clue if that's hyperbole. He plays D like Quinn and is supposed to be a better skater.

He's not eligible until the 2021 draft and has committed to Michigan, like Quinn. But who knows if he goes or not.

If Luke doesn't play up at U18 at all as a U17, He's not in his brothers class IMO (yet) just based on level.


Sounds like the first pick in 2020 will be that LeFrenniere kid and the first in 2021 will be another Hughes.
too soon  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 11:56 am : link
to say for 2021 I think.

but if things hold as they are now you can pencil in Canadian star Shane Wright for the top of the 2022 draft. He's being compared with Crosby at 15 years old.

Already a 6' center.

That Kakko  
Phil in LA : 5/10/2019 12:10 pm : link
Goal was something.
Watch the Devils  
JonC : 5/10/2019 12:27 pm : link
pluck the Fin.
RE: PJ  
rnargi : 5/10/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14438654 Jay on the Island said:
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thanks for always being on top of things in regards to hockey.


I was just thinking the same thing. I really appreciate your knowledge and insight into all things hockey. Now join the dark side and become a Rangers fan!
RE: Watch the Devils  
Anakim : 5/10/2019 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14438831 JonC said:
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pluck the Fin.


Inside scoop or just speculating?
Just looking at the names on the rosters  
SJGiant : 5/10/2019 12:41 pm : link
It shows how much i do not know hockey players today. I am lucky if I know half the players on the list
RE: That Kakko  
Jay in Toronto : 5/10/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14438798 Phil in LA said:
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Goal was something.


Indeed!!
Several views :) - ( New Window )
Hoping for an awesome tournament for Kakko  
Jay in Toronto : 5/10/2019 12:43 pm : link
to make the draft interesting suspenseful :)

As well as for Georgiev to make the season interesting :) :)

Also looks like AV forgot to pack his shaver.
RE: RE: Watch the Devils  
JonC : 5/10/2019 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14438839 Anakim said:
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In comment 14438831 JonC said:


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pluck the Fin.



Inside scoop or just speculating?


Speculation. I have no real feel for the top prospects, but it would be the big, blue chip power forward is worth more than the small D-man.
RE: RE: RE: Watch the Devils  
Anakim : 5/10/2019 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14438872 JonC said:
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In comment 14438839 Anakim said:


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In comment 14438831 JonC said:


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pluck the Fin.



Inside scoop or just speculating?



Speculation. I have no real feel for the top prospects, but it would be the big, blue chip power forward is worth more than the small D-man.


Jack Hughes is a C
still prefer the big PF  
JonC : 5/10/2019 12:54 pm : link
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was waiting for the ref's arm to go up  
ColHowPepper : 5/10/2019 1:27 pm : link
to signal either hooking and/or PS...in the second clip it did

What link are you guys using to watch the Worlds'??

The one that burnt put up didn't do anything.
If Lou was still the GM  
Jay on the Island : 5/10/2019 1:50 pm : link
I would be willing to bet that Kakko would be the pick. Hughes is the ideal fit for the Devils system. The Devils went with speed over size when they took Hischier over Patrick and I am convinced that they will do it again.
Jack Hughes  
JPinstripes : 5/10/2019 2:02 pm : link
is the next great American superstar and there is no way the Devils will pass on the next face of the NHL.

Hughes is centering Kane today, Kreider is on the wing for Eichel and Fox is paired with Quinn Hughes.

Chytil is centering the 2nd Czech line against Sweden with Hank in net for the Swedes.

USA @ host Slovenia and Czech vs. Sweden starts in about 15 minutes.
WHAT IS THE LINK? Please??  
ColHowPepper : 5/10/2019 2:25 pm : link
tnks
RE: WHAT IS THE LINK? Please??  
Stu11 : 5/10/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14439044 ColHowPepper said:
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tnks

http://toxicpatat.com/2019/05/10/world-hockey-championship-finland-vs-canada-live-stream/
Slovakia-US tied 1-1  
Stu11 : 5/10/2019 2:46 pm : link
Slovaks came out flying , put one in early. US settled it down with a PP goal by Debrincat. Him and Kane hooked up.
Slovaks rolling  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 3:26 pm : link
a PP goal and then somehow Tatar alone in front of the net, US losing to the home team 3 - 1 midway though the 2nd.

US D coughing the puck up.

Would be nice to get Jones and Werenski here. Maybe Makar.
Fox  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 3:29 pm : link
tried to over-pass to Gaudreau instead of shooting.

I get it for the kid, but he has to shoo that puck
RE: RE: That Kakko  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14438867 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14438798 Phil in LA said:


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Goal was something.



Indeed!! Several views :) - ( New Window )


That was a Lemieux/Forsberg goal. Uses his big body and strong stick handling to fake the goalie and keep the puck
RE: Jack Hughes  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14439003 JPinstripes said:
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is the next great American superstar and there is no way the Devils will pass on the next face of the NHL.

Hughes is centering Kane today, Kreider is on the wing for Eichel and Fox is paired with Quinn Hughes.

Chytil is centering the 2nd Czech line against Sweden with Hank in net for the Swedes.

USA @ host Slovenia and Czech vs. Sweden starts in about 15 minutes.


Slovakia.
And Jack Hughes  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2019 3:48 pm : link
looks fantastic for US so far. Has the most energy of anyone out there.

getting into the corners, creating space, and making passes. I thought he set up JVR for a goal but JVR had his stick lifted.
RE: RE: RE: That Kakko  
Jay in Toronto : 5/10/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14439170 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14438867 Jay in Toronto said:


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In comment 14438798 Phil in LA said:


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Goal was something.



Indeed!! Several views :) - ( New Window )



That was a Lemieux/Forsberg goal. Uses his big body and strong stick handling to fake the goalie and keep the puck


And I think lots of guys would have gone down.
The Rangers are going to get a great player at #2  
Torrag : 5/10/2019 5:37 pm : link
Both Hughes and Kakko have 'IT'. They do it in completely different ways but I'm actually happy to have the #2 selection. I think they're overall talent level is very even, both just a sliver below franchise stars like Crosby and McDavid. Let the Devils have all the pressure of making the decision. In terms of roster construction it really doesn't matter we can use both positions as we move forward with the rebuild.
thanks, Stu  
ColHowPepper : 5/11/2019 9:44 am : link
finally navigated my way to NHL Network, doh, probably only selected coverage there (US games)

Hughes is dynamic, little doubt in my mind he'll go to Devs
thought Skjei played well in stretches, not well in others
Price, screened a lot, but not at his best, imo, pj would have more
informed view
KK is very tough to separate from the puck: somehow able to finish even though PS (I believe it would have been) had been called
I'm ok with big Slovakia win, good for the host country, and time for
NA teams to recover
All I wanted was for the Devils to win a top 2 spot  
Jay on the Island : 5/11/2019 10:13 am : link
I would have been thrilled with either Hughes or Kakko. Now that the Devils have their choice of both it will be a very hard decision after watching Kakko last night. If Kakko keeps this up he might close the gap between the two.

I still think NJ goes for Hughes because of his speed and the fact that he plays center. Hughes is just a perfect fit for their system and I think he will become a star player once he adds to his frame.
RE: thanks, Stu  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14439703 ColHowPepper said:
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finally navigated my way to NHL Network, doh, probably only selected coverage there (US games)

Hughes is dynamic, little doubt in my mind he'll go to Devs
thought Skjei played well in stretches, not well in others
Price, screened a lot, but not at his best, imo, pj would have more
informed view
KK is very tough to separate from the puck: somehow able to finish even though PS (I believe it would have been) had been called
I'm ok with big Slovakia win, good for the host country, and time for
NA teams to recover


Price? Schneider, do you mean? If so I agree with you, I don't think Schneider hurt the team per se, but he wasn't a difference maker either.

And I thought Skjei was pretty bad, if either Jones or Werenski were available Skjei would be among my first D cuts.

But they only have 6 total D and definitely the weak spot on the team IMO and two of the D are the youngsters Fox and Hughes.

Coughed the puck up all day and struggled to exit the zone. Hard to take advantage of the speed of Gaudreau, Kane, Hughes, Kreider, Larkin, etc. when you can't get the puck out.

the US best D are probably Carlson, McAvoy, Byfuglien, Jones, Werenski, McDonagh, Krug, Grezlyk, Faulk, Fowler even Niskanen.

None of them are here, some are still playing in the NHL playoffs. Suter probably the best of the bunch in Slovakia for this tourney.

I really like this German kid Seider  
Anakim : 5/11/2019 12:21 pm : link
Big, good skater, good shot...Wouldn't mind him at 20
...  
ColHowPepper : 5/11/2019 1:43 pm : link
Yes, Schneider, of course. Your assessment of Skjei would match up with his play in '18-'19 season ): At least, I think he was in the box for Slovakia's 2nd goal during the 5 on 3, I think, foolish penalty, both
well, KK  
ColHowPepper : 5/11/2019 4:10 pm : link
a laser from the left point even strength puts Fins up, first time I've seen that part of his game. Most of the clips of him are his indomitability keeping the puck, as in his breakaway goal yesterday. Later, between the low slot and the circle, he threads the needle on a perfect pass through traffic to a wide open teammate in the low slot back side who fans on it.

On the PP (second unit, I think) he plays low and behind the net and is very calm, a boy among men.

Slovakia's 2nd goald to even it at 2-2 was challenged twice, initially on VAR (hand deflection?) and then coach's challenge (goalie interference). Agreed with Ferraro's (think he) commentary all along that there was nothing there
Kakko's  
PaulN : 5/11/2019 4:57 pm : link
Performance is not going to make the draft interesting, he is going to make it a bore, because if the Devils pass on him they would need their heads examined. There is no way he is not the top pick. This kid is flat out special in every way. I never thought he would pass Hughes, he not only passed him,, he flew past him. That is the top pick without any doubt. He is the best player in the tournament, which is filled with very good NHL players.
Kakko  
SJGiant : 5/11/2019 4:59 pm : link
Needs to tone it down so he slips to the Rangers.
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