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Aaron Thomas : 5/11/2019 3:43 pm
Happy to announce that Mike Remmers just agreed in principle to a deal with the New York Giants and is looking forward to moving back to his natural position of right tackle. His last 2 seasons playing that position he helped his teams to a Super Bowl and a NFC Championship game.
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GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 7:30 pm : link
This OL is significantly better than in years past. No one is saying Remmers is a savior, but he’s better than Wheeler and much better than Hart.

It’s a 1 year stopgap with a decent vet. No idea how anyone could dislike this move
RE: RE: DG has done a GREAT job upgrading the OL  
Giants_Rock : 5/11/2019 7:33 pm : link
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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.

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Solder, Hernandez, Hapapio, Zeitler, Remmers

That is 3 significant upgrades + Remmers is an improvement at RT ... thank you for the reminder, people forget how atrocious the OL was pre-DG


I doubt anybody's forgotten how bad this oline was. It's been a seven year nightmare.
RE: I sense...  
AcidTest : 5/11/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14440016 Eric from BBI said:
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a fairly big division here on Remmers.

I think Giants fans have become too accustomed to bad OL play.

Provided Remmers is healthy (he had back surgery BEFORE the Vikings waived/failed physical), he is a big upgrade at right tackle.

In fact, our offensive line - on paper - actually looks pretty damn good right now.


Agreed.
WillVAB  
Klaatu : 5/11/2019 7:49 pm : link
You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.
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WillVAB : 5/11/2019 7:52 pm : link
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.

The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.



I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.



You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.

We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.



It does solidify and set the OL. That means it does next year too?



If you think the OL is straight now after this signing you’re just as delusional as the rest.



Well, when a poster is batting .000 in their comments, keep swinging for the fences. You could just join bw as a Skins fan- your posts show you are more than halfway there already.

You seem to be in this permanent negative funk and have lost sight of the forest for the trees.


Tempering enthusiasm for Remmers passes for “swinging for the fences” around here?

It’s called being realistic. The guy has had some rough years and is coming off back surgery. Look at his contract. This is a stopgap move at best and a justification for kicking the OL can down the road.

Halapio and Remmers are hopes and prayers, not real solutions.
RE: WillVAB  
WillVAB : 5/11/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14440182 Klaatu said:
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.


It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”
Hopefully Remmers doesn't play like complete garbage for 8 games  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/11/2019 7:58 pm : link
like Mr. 60 million at LT.
RE: RE: WillVAB  
Klaatu : 5/11/2019 8:01 pm : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”


Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.
The thing  
YANKEE28 : 5/11/2019 8:04 pm : link
I don't like about Remmers is how much his NFL career sank since 3:43 pm today.

I read all about it on BBI.
Provided Remmers can hold up  
BSIMatt : 5/11/2019 8:04 pm : link
I’m most excited for Saquan, he won roty with one hand tied behind his back. The crazy thing is the line did improve last year down the stretch. Solder with a year 2 Hernandez next to him, and what look to be significant improvements at the other 3 spots(health permitting) is exciting to think about.
Remmers, if healthy, should be an upgrade over Wheeler  
SGMen : 5/11/2019 8:05 pm : link
First, you have to assume he stays healthy. He didn't have a "major" back surgery but yet any back surgery is risky. He knows Shurmur and his offense, his style, so he is a good fit.

My hope is Wheeler has improved by a good bit with another off-season. IMHO, he is the #1 RT going into camp and Remmers is fighting him for the starting job. We shall see.

Would anyone be shocked if opening day our OL ends up being:

Solder-Hernandez-Pulley-Zeitler-Wheeler with Remmers the backup swing OT; Hilapio the top interior OL backup; and, perhaps two rookies in O'Hagan and Big George from Kentucky backing up as well? I would not mind that in the least.
Good.  
jogo1 : 5/11/2019 8:06 pm : link
A replacement was desperately needed for the Markus Kuhn of right tackles.
There's no such thing as 'minor' back surgery, especially for big men.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/11/2019 8:10 pm : link
And this isn't Remmers' first time dealing with back issues. He's been on and off with them for a couple of seasons.
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WillVAB : 5/11/2019 8:14 pm : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”



Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.


I didn’t knock the move. Again, it was the best of what was left.

But we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There’s no guarantee he’s better than Wheeler coming off a back injury.

But the collective BBI fist bumping bc the Giants landed a name at RT is a little delusional imv.
RE: There's no such thing as 'minor' back surgery, especially for big men.  
Joey in VA : 5/11/2019 8:15 pm : link
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And this isn't Remmers' first time dealing with back issues. He's been on and off with them for a couple of seasons.
Sure there is. Discectomies are nothing these days. I had one 12 years ago and walked home and I haven't had an issue since. The back is no longer a kiss of death. Mike Strahan had the same surgery right after signing his "big" contract and he took after that. I'm not suggesting REmmers becomes an All Pro but it's not the death knell it was, this is about 20 year old thinking, no offense intended either.
Wondering where Big George winds up now  
Poktown Pete : 5/11/2019 8:20 pm : link
Before this announcement, I read earlier today that he was penciled in as the #2 RT. Guess that was overly optimistic?

If George can't beat out Wheeler, guess he could probably get stashed on the practice squad. If he does beat out Wheeler, would Giants cut ties with Wheeler, who's still young and hopefully still improving? Can we carry all 3? Maybe George gets some training camp work at RG?
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bc4life : 5/11/2019 8:22 pm : link
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like everyone I'd have preferred Daryl Williams  
Eric on Li : 5/11/2019 8:30 pm : link
but he chose to go back to Carolina. Getting the guy twice held him off in training camp and has the added bonus of having played in Shurmur's offense in addition to Shula's is a good fallback plan. Hopefully like Diehl in 2012 he can play a passable RT and buy us another year to figure out he longer term solution - whether its big George or a high pick next year.
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robbieballs2003 : 5/11/2019 8:32 pm : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”



Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.



I didn’t knock the move. Again, it was the best of what was left.

But we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There’s no guarantee he’s better than Wheeler coming off a back injury.

But the collective BBI fist bumping bc the Giants landed a name at RT is a little delusional imv.


You are changing your argument from posters saying this is a long term solution because they said our OL is "set" to now saying people are overreacting saying this is the best OL we've had in years. Stop twisting other people's words. One, nobody said this was a long term solution. Nobody. Two, thos is the best OL we've had in years. Fuckin relax with calling people delusional. We aren't as delusional as you are miserable.
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section125 : 5/11/2019 8:40 pm : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”



Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.



I didn’t knock the move. Again, it was the best of what was left.

But we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There’s no guarantee he’s better than Wheeler coming off a back injury.

But the collective BBI fist bumping bc the Giants landed a name at RT is a little delusional imv.


If you think Wheeler is even close to Remmers in ability, you are the one that is delusional. It is not a collective fist bump, it is a sigh of relief that they signed a professional RT.
This O Line is for real now  
Rjanyg : 5/11/2019 8:46 pm : link
Very excited about this team. It has a veteran O Line with the best RB in football, a young Defense with loads of potential, Eli with his Heir at QB, solid Special teams.

our  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 9:03 pm : link
new right tackle!

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 9:05 pm : link
What's nice is we have three vets right now who shouldn't be quaking in their cleats at the very site of the Eagles.
He has worn 74 in all of the pictures I am seen of him  
Steve in ATL : 5/11/2019 9:20 pm : link
Looks like 74 is open on the roster. I wonder if the Giants have been holding it for him.
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GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 9:41 pm : link
Chad Wheeler allowed ~3 pressures per game and graded as 1 of the worst run blocking offensive lineman at any position in the league last year

He was awful.
Nice signing  
XBRONX : 5/11/2019 9:48 pm : link
Remmers is the real Diehl.
First off  
Jay on the Island : 5/11/2019 10:09 pm : link
Nobody is confusing Remmers for Kareem McKenzie. Remmers struggled at guard for the Vikings but he has proven to be a solid RT for years. This creates competition at RT and adds depth by moving Wheeler to the swing tackle role. With all the holes on the roster it was impossible to fill them all in one offseason.

Remmers is a one year stopgap that gives them time to evaluate Asafo-Adjei. If they don’t like what they see from him and Wheeler they can look to free agency or the draft for the long term solution.
If he and Halapio are average  
AcesUp : 5/11/2019 10:31 pm : link
or even slightly below average...we'll have one of the better OLs in the league. There are a lot of really good OLs with a Remmers starting on their line, no team has 5 all pros or high draft picks starting.
I like the signing  
ryanmkeane : 5/12/2019 6:10 am : link
and we should look to add C or RT in the draft next year in the first couple rounds.

What will be interesting is to see Remmers’ performance vs a few of the quality right tackles taken in the 2019 draft.

It’s not apples to apples obviously because we had holes all over the entire roster, but I’m still thinking we might regret it a little bit that we didn’t go OL earlier in the draft, but perhaps the value wasn’t there.

Remmers + adding legitimate defensive starters in the draft seems like something all of BBI can get behind.
RE: I have to say it  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/12/2019 8:01 am : link
In comment 14440009 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Dream Team.

You could say nothing; that's always an option.
Wait...what ever happended  
Jimmy Googs : 5/12/2019 8:10 am : link
with us signing Anthony Davis?
RE: Wait...what ever happended  
Giantz_comeback : 5/12/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14440428 Jimmy Googs said:
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with us signing Anthony Davis?


Didnt you hear? Hes coming in to play OC. Talks ongoing. Stay tuned. ;)
RE: I like the signing  
UConn4523 : 5/12/2019 8:42 am : link
In comment 14440402 ryanmkeane said:
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and we should look to add C or RT in the draft next year in the first couple rounds.

What will be interesting is to see Remmers’ performance vs a few of the quality right tackles taken in the 2019 draft.

It’s not apples to apples obviously because we had holes all over the entire roster, but I’m still thinking we might regret it a little bit that we didn’t go OL earlier in the draft, but perhaps the value wasn’t there.

Remmers + adding legitimate defensive starters in the draft seems like something all of BBI can get behind.


If we take a RT high then we don't get Lawrence and Baker, so that means those 2 units aren't as good. Simply can't have everything in 1 draft. Remmers, if adequate, provides us a stop gap to allow us to prioritize RT next season.
RE: RE: I like the signing  
Giantz_comeback : 5/12/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14440447 UConn4523 said:
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and we should look to add C or RT in the draft next year in the first couple rounds.

What will be interesting is to see Remmers’ performance vs a few of the quality right tackles taken in the 2019 draft.

It’s not apples to apples obviously because we had holes all over the entire roster, but I’m still thinking we might regret it a little bit that we didn’t go OL earlier in the draft, but perhaps the value wasn’t there.

Remmers + adding legitimate defensive starters in the draft seems like something all of BBI can get behind.



If we take a RT high then we don't get Lawrence and Baker, so that means those 2 units aren't as good. Simply can't have everything in 1 draft. Remmers, if adequate, provides us a stop gap to allow us to prioritize RT next season.


If the draft resembles anything like this year or some previous years when we pick in the high 20's next year there should be some quality RTs.
it's not hard to envision a world where we regret passing on Dillard  
Eric on Li : 5/12/2019 10:12 am : link
and using the Remmers $ to sign someone like Danny Shelton.

But Gettleman stuck by his evaluations and I think we can all agree the defense needs all it can get. At the end of the day if they had a higher grade on Dillard (or any other OL) I think they would have taken them, and you go with the higher graded player every time. You don't want to pass on Wilfork and force a pick at another position.
RE: Wait...what ever happended  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14440428 Jimmy Googs said:
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with us signing Anthony Davis?

The paperwork is still being held up at the league office.
RE: If he and Halapio are average  
Nine-Tails : 5/12/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14440333 AcesUp said:
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or even slightly below average...we'll have one of the better OLs in the league. There are a lot of really good OLs with a Remmers starting on their line, no team has 5 all pros or high draft picks starting.


This. I don't think some here know that ol around the league are not very good. It's just that our ol has been bad and the eagles and cowboys have had strong lines for years now.
RE: it's not hard to envision a world where we regret passing on Dillard  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14440503 Eric on Li said:
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and using the Remmers $ to sign someone like Danny Shelton.

But Gettleman stuck by his evaluations and I think we can all agree the defense needs all it can get. At the end of the day if they had a higher grade on Dillard (or any other OL) I think they would have taken them, and you go with the higher graded player every time. You don't want to pass on Wilfork and force a pick at another position.

Well said Eric. It was definitely a tough decision but it's way too difficult to pass up a DT compared to Haloti Ngata and Vince Wilfork with the 17th pick. The DL desperately needed another starting caliber player. DL was a bigger need than RT.
They chose Remmers over using a premium draft pick  
JonC : 5/12/2019 12:25 pm : link
which enabled them to draft a starter at NT and CB, and by doing so likely set three starting positions.

Remmers is an upgrade, and they're not easy to find, especially at a relative bargain.
not to oversimplify it all depends on who pans out and who doesn't  
Eric on Li : 5/12/2019 12:38 pm : link
Danny Shelton himself was the next Haloti Ngata just a few years ago. If Dillard (or whoever) ends up being a stud and Lawrence ends up being a 2 down run stuffer and nothing more, everyone will say they should have done something else. Every GM gets second guessed, and the draft is the easiest thing to second guess. Some still second guess picking Barkley.

But without the assistance of hindsight they selected Lawrence because they feel there's a bigger difference in his talents then the next best option. They obviously didn't feel that way about any of the OL relative to Remmers. They're professionals so I'm not going to call that a mistake based on PFF or any other amateur opinion, especially when our OC + HC have both coached Remmers before and to some degree have their jobs on the line with every decision they make. They addressed needs and made their evals, now things will either work out or they won't like Omahmeh last year. It could go either way.

I'm satisfied that unlike the previous GM they've tried to address obvious needs and create competition, which is almost always better than doing nothing and hoping things just work out.
Yep, got to believe  
JonC : 5/12/2019 12:58 pm : link
NYG has largely done a great job with first round picks for many years.

Not ironically, it appears picking for need (imo) is where they blew it badly.
RE: To all those whiners  
HomerJones45 : 5/12/2019 1:30 pm : link
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Do you guys really expect 5 all pros on the line? You crack me up.

Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.

I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.
Please. You pom pom wavers want to get hard ons over a bum tackle who has been let go by multiple teams with a bad back and a concussion history. That's your privilege, but a lot of us have heard the happy talk before - and there is more than one house organ pumper for the front office on this site - and have stopped listening to it. That is their privilege. Seeing is believing.
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Klaatu : 5/12/2019 2:58 pm : link
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Do you guys really expect 5 all pros on the line? You crack me up.

Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.

I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.

Please. You pom pom wavers want to get hard ons over a bum tackle who has been let go by multiple teams with a bad back and a concussion history. That's your privilege, but a lot of us have heard the happy talk before - and there is more than one house organ pumper for the front office on this site - and have stopped listening to it. That is their privilege. Seeing is believing.


That's a very misleading description of Mike Remmers. I guess being purposely deceptive is your privilege.
RE: I watched a few Vikings games last year...  
micky : 5/13/2019 9:05 am : link
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I dunno. Nice depth move but I kind of hope that Wheeler progresses enough to beat him out. He's not very good...

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Yup he'll fit right in the giants way
RE: The thing  
Harvest Blend : 5/13/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14440203 YANKEE28 said:
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I don't like about Remmers is how much his NFL career sank since 3:43 pm today.

I read all about it on BBI.


LOL. This place really sucks sometimes.

But, but, but......he's never been 1st team All-Pro!!
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giants#1 : 5/13/2019 9:31 am : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”



Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.


On paper at least, this OL has the chance to be at least as good as the 2007 OL (Diehl - Seubert - O'Hara - Snee - McKenzie):

Soldier > Diehl
Hernandez > Seubert (potential for WH to be much better and I'm a huge fan of #69)
Halapio << O'Hara
Zeitler > Snee (Snee was awesome, but I don't think people realize how good Zeitler's been)
Remmers << McKenzie

The big advantages for the '07 OL were obviously C and RT, but if Halapio can be serviceable and Hernandez takes a big step forward, they could compensate for Remmers (who's a massive upgrade over Wheeler). Of course, the big thing with that '07 line is that they functioned as one cohesive unit and everyone always knew what the guy next to him was doing. We'll see how quickly the chemistry between this unit develops.
He doesn't need to be a Pro Bowler to be an upgrade  
Don in DC : 5/13/2019 10:59 am : link
worthy of this contract. If he is even serviceable... even mediocre... he will be a huge improvement over Wheeler.

If he plays all 16 games and performs, he is well worth the $4MM. If he doesn't, a 1 year $2.5MM contract is of very little consequence.

Thus, I consider this to be a great signing. Nice potential upside, nearly no downside.
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Giantz_comeback : 5/13/2019 11:31 am : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”



Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.



On paper at least, this OL has the chance to be at least as good as the 2007 OL (Diehl - Seubert - O'Hara - Snee - McKenzie):

Soldier > Diehl
Hernandez > Seubert (potential for WH to be much better and I'm a huge fan of #69)
Halapio << O'Hara
Zeitler > Snee (Snee was awesome, but I don't think people realize how good Zeitler's been)
Remmers << McKenzie

The big advantages for the '07 OL were obviously C and RT, but if Halapio can be serviceable and Hernandez takes a big step forward, they could compensate for Remmers (who's a massive upgrade over Wheeler). Of course, the big thing with that '07 line is that they functioned as one cohesive unit and everyone always knew what the guy next to him was doing. We'll see how quickly the chemistry between this unit develops.


Post 2008 I would agree as guys started to age get injured etc. But 2007-2008 that line had a ton of chemistry. Most had been together for a few years and were a well oiled machine. This OL will not be better for those reasons but could easily be better than any after that which should be plenty good enough for Eli and Barkley to thrive.
That's why I made the point about the '07 units cohesion  
giants#1 : 5/13/2019 11:40 am : link
They weren't the most talented group (though Snee and McKenzie were prototypical guys), but they functioned as a single body and rarely missed handing off a stunt. The sum was definitely greater than the parts with that unit.

They have the talent to be at least an average OL now. The big question to me is how quickly can they come together? If they're blowing stunts, then it doesn't matter if they're dominating individual matchups.
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Giantz_comeback : 5/13/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14441642 giants#1 said:
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They weren't the most talented group (though Snee and McKenzie were prototypical guys), but they functioned as a single body and rarely missed handing off a stunt. The sum was definitely greater than the parts with that unit.

They have the talent to be at least an average OL now. The big question to me is how quickly can they come together? If they're blowing stunts, then it doesn't matter if they're dominating individual matchups.


Exactly but the hope is there is a good mix of veterans in this group. Dont see the machine that the 2007-8 line was but one that will operate pretty efficiently in its own right.
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