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Mike Remmers agrees in principle:Brett Tessler on Twitter

Aaron Thomas : 5/11/2019 3:43 pm
Happy to announce that Mike Remmers just agreed in principle to a deal with the New York Giants and is looking forward to moving back to his natural position of right tackle. His last 2 seasons playing that position he helped his teams to a Super Bowl and a NFC Championship game.
Awesome!  
Saos1n : 5/11/2019 3:44 pm : link
Now continue to build depth on the oline and start training some young bucks to take over soon.

The work DG has done with the oline in 2 offseasons is overlooked by many pundits
that's awesome  
Pork Chop : 5/11/2019 3:45 pm : link
not that he will be an All-pro, but I was always worried about "passing the physical" caveat. Say what you want about DG, the O-line is miles ahead of where it was when he started.
Cool  
djm : 5/11/2019 3:50 pm : link
That’s 4 live bodies added to the OL since the start of last year’s offseason. I’ll omit omameha or whatever his name was since he sucked.

We need a Glenn Parker or Lomas Brown type season from remmers. Don’t think that’s asking too much.
Let's hope his back  
David B. : 5/11/2019 3:52 pm : link
isn't as shot as Geoff Schwartz's was.
hopefully he's got 1 decent year left like Glenn Parker/Lomas Brown  
Eric on Li : 5/11/2019 3:56 pm : link
not expecting a ton, hopefully he can be solid. Would have preferred 1 of the other guys with less injury issues but at the same time his familiarity with Shurmur should help get value from him for the year.
What's Barkley going to be like  
BillT : 5/11/2019 3:57 pm : link
Behind a competent OL! Gonna be fun to watch.
Love  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/11/2019 4:01 pm : link
DG. Building a team.
RE: Let's hope his back  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/11/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14439901 David B. said:
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isn't as shot as Geoff Schwartz's was.
i think Schwartz’s problems were mostly lower-leg/foot related. Still, fair point: I hope there’s a plan B. We can’t afford a Schwartz/Baas/Stokes situation with Remmers.
Does this mean  
ChicagoMarty : 5/11/2019 4:03 pm : link
that Remmers has already passed his physical?
Good  
jeff57 : 5/11/2019 4:03 pm : link
They need him.
Is there confirmation?  
George from PA : 5/11/2019 4:03 pm : link
A link.
RE: Is there confirmation?  
Big Rick in FL : 5/11/2019 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14439917 George from PA said:
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A link.


His agent tweeted it. I think that's pretty good confirmation.
Nice  
OBJRoyal : 5/11/2019 4:08 pm : link
As was said above, still need to get some more young talent in on the OL to develope. Hopefully Remmers can hold down RT for this year atleast
The beats have it now  
Phil in LA : 5/11/2019 4:08 pm : link
Huge upgrade from Wheeler.
...  
90.Cal : 5/11/2019 4:08 pm : link
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
In a move many expected, the Giants signed former Panthers’ and Vikings OT Mike Remmers’, per his agent,
@TesslerSports
. Remmers expected to play RT for the Giants.
4:06 PM · May 11, 2019 · Twitter for
His Wikipedia is already updated too  
PatersonPlank : 5/11/2019 4:09 pm : link
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All of the comments from panthers fans scare me  
Ned In Atlanta : 5/11/2019 4:12 pm : link
Apparently he was awful at RT in the super bowl
I watched a few Vikings games last year...  
crackerjack465 : 5/11/2019 4:13 pm : link
I dunno. Nice depth move but I kind of hope that Wheeler progresses enough to beat him out. He's not very good...

This is one play, but I honestly have no idea what he was doing here.
Here - ( New Window )
RE: The beats have it now  
Klaatu : 5/11/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14439922 Phil in LA said:
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Huge upgrade from Wheeler.


Well...he is an upgrade, I guess. How huge remains to be seen.
RE: All of the comments from panthers fans scare me  
Nine-Tails : 5/11/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14439930 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Apparently he was awful at RT in the super bowl


Against Von Miller in his prime. Now I don't think he's some savior, but to hold that against him isn't fair.
Now if can get a vet  
XBRONX : 5/11/2019 4:15 pm : link
to back up Dexter and have some competition in camp.
Nice addition, better than what they had at RT  
illmatic : 5/11/2019 4:17 pm : link
...well, if he's healthy. But I've never seen such an average, injured player receive so many topics on this forum. Holy shit lol. I hope he's a difference maker and the line looks much better now than it did last year but my gut says we'll be seeing more topics this fall about how he can't stay healthy or how he sucked in various games. Please prove me wrong though, Mike.
RE: I watched a few Vikings games last year...  
Jolly Blue Giant : 5/11/2019 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14439931 crackerjack465 said:
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I dunno. Nice depth move but I kind of hope that Wheeler progresses enough to beat him out. He's not very good...

This is one play, but I honestly have no idea what he was doing here. Here - ( New Window )


well for one thing, he's playing a different position.
RE: I watched a few Vikings games last year...  
PatersonPlank : 5/11/2019 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14439931 crackerjack465 said:
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I dunno. Nice depth move but I kind of hope that Wheeler progresses enough to beat him out. He's not very good...

This is one play, but I honestly have no idea what he was doing here. Here - ( New Window )


He played G last season and wasn't as good.
It's a step up - more like a move from bad to average  
Ira : 5/11/2019 4:22 pm : link
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Eaxactly  
Phil in LA : 5/11/2019 4:24 pm : link
Wheeler was so far below average, they couldn't put in all those easy run plays the Vikes were running uder Shurmur. We just need him to be average, and, given the other guys now on the line, they could have some synergy.
RE: All of the comments from panthers fans scare me  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14439930 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Apparently he was awful at RT in the super bowl


Von miller will do that to people ... he held his own against JJ Watt and has been playing out of position at G

He’s a quality RT, and an upgrade that Shurmur’s familiar with. Perfect stop gap ... i assume next draft is Offense-heavy (WR/OT early)
RE: It's a step up - more like a move from bad to average  
section125 : 5/11/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14439943 Ira said:
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In the case of the Giants, average is good.
RE: RE: I watched a few Vikings games last year...  
crackerjack465 : 5/11/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14439940 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 14439931 crackerjack465 said:


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I dunno. Nice depth move but I kind of hope that Wheeler progresses enough to beat him out. He's not very good...

This is one play, but I honestly have no idea what he was doing here. Here - ( New Window )



He played G last season and wasn't as good.


Yeah, I know. I'm not trying to be a hater, it's May and this is a great signing for what is available. If he plays great, so be it.

It's still a comical play though.
RE: Nice addition, better than what they had at RT  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14439937 illmatic said:
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...well, if he's healthy. But I've never seen such an average, injured player receive so many topics on this forum. Holy shit lol. I hope he's a difference maker and the line looks much better now than it did last year but my gut says we'll be seeing more topics this fall about how he can't stay healthy or how he sucked in various games. Please prove me wrong though, Mike.


Zeitler is the difference maker ... Remmers is a stop gap / upgrade from Wheeler

It’s a huge step up from the Flowers/Hart/Wheeler type options DG inherited . This OL will be above average
Now all they need is  
wonderback : 5/11/2019 4:31 pm : link
A TE who can block lining up on the right side. They still don't have one. Than, hope nobody gets injured.
DG has done a GREAT job upgrading the OL  
Big Rick in FL : 5/11/2019 4:33 pm : link
These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.

Week 16
Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart

Week 17
Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty
Nice. An upgrade. Ok, now Wheeler of Big George  
Ben in Tampa : 5/11/2019 4:34 pm : link
Beat him out!!!
RE: I watched a few Vikings games last year...  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14439931 crackerjack465 said:
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I dunno. Nice depth move but I kind of hope that Wheeler progresses enough to beat him out. He's not very good...

This is one play, but I honestly have no idea what he was doing here. Here - ( New Window )


It honestly looks like he was blocking on a screen play that wasn’t actually the play call ... nice push though!

You want to see ineptitude? I present E. Flowers
3 missed blocks ... in 5 seconds - ( New Window )
RE: DG has done a GREAT job upgrading the OL  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said:
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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.

Week 16
Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart

Week 17
Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty


Solder, Hernandez, Hapapio, Zeitler, Remmers

That is 3 significant upgrades + Remmers is an improvement at RT ... thank you for the reminder, people forget how atrocious the OL was pre-DG
The Giants have now  
YANKEE28 : 5/11/2019 4:39 pm : link
greatly transformed the level of "toughness" along the OL.

It started with the drafting of Hernandez,and continued with the trade for Zeitler.

Now consider a few facts on Mike Remmers:

1. Last year, he was on the Vikings injury report almost every week. Yet every Sunday he not only dressed, but also started and took most snaps. Fans talk about him playing a new position at guard last year, but fail to mention he showed the toughness to show up and play thru injuries each week.

2. Remmers started from nothing. No scholarship offers. He just walked on at Oregon State. Hard work and toughness got him to onto the starting unit. Didn't even get a full scholarship until his 2nd year. By his Senior year he was their top O lineman.

3. Remmers wasn't drafted. Signed as an UDFA with the Broncos. Cut many times during his NFL career, but eventually worked his way to a starting role and a $30 million contract. The Giants will be his 7th team.

Say what you will about the Remmers signing, but more of his toughness is just what this Giants O Line needs.

Just do the math:

2019 Zeitler + Remmers > 2018 Omameh + Flowers
I still want a vet Center  
Jolly Blue Giant : 5/11/2019 4:42 pm : link
to compete in camp
RE:  
Klaatu : 5/11/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14439956 GothamGiants said:
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You want to see ineptitude? I present E. Flowers 3 missed blocks ... in 5 seconds - ( New Window )


When his NFL career is over, he should look for a job as a Matador.
RE: RE:  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14439968 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14439956 GothamGiants said:


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You want to see ineptitude? I present E. Flowers 3 missed blocks ... in 5 seconds - ( New Window )



When his NFL career is over, he should look for a job as a Matador.


It is truly mind blowing how someone could be that large and supposedly strong/powerful and just be such a terrible OL

Basically every weakness in his scouting report came to fruition ... no more Flowers/Apple/Wilson type 1st rounders anymore thankfully
RE: I still want a vet Center  
bLiTz 2k : 5/11/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14439966 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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to compete in camp


Pulley (albeit not the best out there) is your vet. I think next year they look at youth at tackle and center very hard in the draft.
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Big Blue '56 : 5/11/2019 4:47 pm : link
🤞🤞🤞
RE: I still want a vet Center  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14439966 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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to compete in camp


They like Halapio, Pulley is decent, and they have a top UDFA getting some buzz ... doubt they add another C

(Wisconsin Biadasz next year is near the top of my 2020 draft list)
It was Dave Gettleman, then the GM of the Carolina Panthers...  
Klaatu : 5/11/2019 4:58 pm : link
Who, in 2014, took Remmers off the the LA Rams Practice Squad after a couple of the Panthers O-Linemen got season-ending injuries. Remmers started the last five regular-season games that year, plus two playoff games. In 2015 and 2016 he started every game, regular season and post-season for Carolina.
Definitely not expecting a great player  
UConn4523 : 5/11/2019 4:58 pm : link
but a competent RT is all we need for this unit to not just be good but possibly flourish. If he can simply be average this is a massive upgrade for that whole unit.

Funny to think of what this line was back in 2017 to now. Please get through camp unscathed!
RE: I watched a few Vikings games last year...  
nygnyy274 : 5/11/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14439931 crackerjack465 said:
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I dunno. Nice depth move but I kind of hope that Wheeler progresses enough to beat him out. He's not very good...

This is one play, but I honestly have no idea what he was doing here. Here - ( New Window )


Wheeler is not any good either
He isn’t a guard  
UConn4523 : 5/11/2019 5:03 pm : link
people realize the positions aren’t the same, right?
Provided  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 5:06 pm : link
his back is OK, this is a major upgrade.
RE: RE: I still want a vet Center  
KeoweeFan : 5/11/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14439974 GothamGiants said:
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In comment 14439966 Jolly Blue Giant said:


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to compete in camp



They like Halapio, Pulley is decent, and they have a top UDFA getting some buzz ... doubt they add another C

(Wisconsin Biadasz next year is near the top of my 2020 draft list)

Evan Brown (UDFA last year) evidently showed enough last season to keep around for a year.
Wheeler had the worst run blocking grade of all nfl offensive lineman  
BSIMatt : 5/11/2019 5:15 pm : link
Last year. He is not a starting NFL offensive lineman and he shouldn’t have been in the lineup. I’m hoping the kid from Kentucky beats him out let alone Remmers. If Remmers is healthy enough to play and has his worst NFL season, it’s still an upgrade over Wheeler.
the added  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 5:17 pm : link
bonus here is Remmers and Shurmur know each other. He should be able to pick up the Shurmur/Shula system quickly.
RE: DG has done a GREAT job upgrading the OL  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 5/11/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said:
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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.

Week 16
Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart

Week 17
Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty


I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.
I'm not sold on Remmers, who imo had problems with speed  
yatqb : 5/11/2019 5:19 pm : link
at both Carolina and Minny. But he's another guy to throw into the mix at our weakest offensive position.
RE: RE: DG has done a GREAT job upgrading the OL  
robbieballs2003 : 5/11/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14439996 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said:


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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.

Week 16
Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart

Week 17
Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty



I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.


Depends on your definition of great. OL play across the NFL is pretty damn bad. Imo, this puts us in the top third of OL in the league.
His eighth team in eight years.  
Mr. Bungle : 5/11/2019 5:22 pm : link
Signed in mid-May.

Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.
RE: His eighth team in eight years.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14440000 Mr. Bungle said:
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Signed in mid-May.

Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.


While he's been around the block, there is a reason why the Vikings gave him a $30 million contract.
With the cap you cant have an all pro  
edavisiii : 5/11/2019 5:28 pm : link
At every position. He is a solid starter and putting him with Zigler and Rett Ellison gives us 3 solid vets on the right side.
I have to say it  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/11/2019 5:29 pm : link
Dream Team.
RE: RE: DG has done a GREAT job upgrading the OL  
Big Rick in FL : 5/11/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14439996 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said:


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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.

Week 16
Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart

Week 17
Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty



I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.


You don't know what?

Solder > Flowers/Wheeler
Hernandez > Jerry
Halapio > Jones
Zeitler > Halapio
Remmers > Hart/Bisnowaty
RE: His eighth team in eight years.  
Klaatu : 5/11/2019 5:32 pm : link
In comment 14440000 Mr. Bungle said:
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Signed in mid-May.

Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.


That's a little deceptive. For context, he bounced around from PS to PS with five teams in his first three years in the league, until Gettleman signed him off of the Rams PS. He spent the next three years with Carolina, starting every game he played (mostly at RT, some at LT), then two years with Minnesota, where in 2017 he started 11 games at RT (missing five with a concussion and lower back injury). In 2018, he started all 16 games at RG.
I sense...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 5:39 pm : link
a fairly big division here on Remmers.

I think Giants fans have become too accustomed to bad OL play.

Provided Remmers is healthy (he had back surgery BEFORE the Vikings waived/failed physical), he is a big upgrade at right tackle.

In fact, our offensive line - on paper - actually looks pretty damn good right now.
This allows them  
JoeFootball : 5/11/2019 5:41 pm : link
To use Wheeler as a TE in certain formations also.
Plus  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 5:43 pm : link
this is what a right tackle should look like... Arghhhh!!!!

RE: Eaxactly  
Giantz_comeback : 5/11/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14439946 Phil in LA said:
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Wheeler was so far below average, they couldn't put in all those easy run plays the Vikes were running uder Shurmur. We just need him to be average, and, given the other guys now on the line, they could have some synergy.


This is good perspective.

Remmers is not one of those guys like Diehl that tou can plug multiple places on the OL and get better than average production. Some guys are strictly one position players. Luke Pettitgout for example stunk everywhere but when we put him at LT he played great until his back gave out.

Remmers seems to be strictly a RT. And if the back doesnt hamper him he still youngish and should continue to be an average to solid RT. Which is a big jump from anything we've had the past few years.

Solder- slightly above average to solid LT
Hernandez - 2nd year should be above average to excellent LG
Pulley/Halapio/O Hagan- this is the question mark, may best guy win out and hopefully be adequate. Anything more is a bonus.
Zietler- One of the better RGs in the game both in the pass and run game.
Remmers- average to solid RT.

Depth:

Wheeler- continuing to work hard and has AA. Hopefully a passable swing OT for us if we need him.
Paul Adams- highly ranked UDFA.
O Hagan- one of top NCAA rated OCs per PFF.
George- has tools and AA you hope develops quickly.

This OL is light years ahead of last years starting unit which was settling in combined with some cast offs and injuries.
Very happy with the signing  
DonnieD89 : 5/11/2019 5:43 pm : link
I'm very please with what DG has done in turning over the OLine. Now, let's see how this works out. The running game with Barkley is going to be a real problem for opposing defenses. "RUN THE BALL, STOP THE RUN, AND RUSH THE QWATABAK"
RE: His eighth team in eight years.  
Giantz_comeback : 5/11/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14440000 Mr. Bungle said:
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Signed in mid-May.

Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.


Dont need greatness we have pretty good players at other spots on the OL we just need steady.
RE: RE: RE: DG has done a GREAT job upgrading the OL  
Giantz_comeback : 5/11/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14439999 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14439996 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:


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In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said:


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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.

Week 16
Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart

Week 17
Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty



I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.



Depends on your definition of great. OL play across the NFL is pretty damn bad. Imo, this puts us in the top third of OL in the league.


If Remmers is just solid this OL could easily be top 1/3. Who would have thunk it?
RE: DG has done a GREAT job upgrading the OL  
Giantz_comeback : 5/11/2019 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said:
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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.

Week 16
Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart

Week 17
Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty


And people wonder why Eli looked so bad.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 5:52 pm : link
Eli and Saquon have to be thrilled.
RE: Eaxactly  
DavidinBMNY : 5/11/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14439946 Phil in LA said:
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Wheeler was so far below average, they couldn't put in all those easy run plays the Vikes were running uder Shurmur. We just need him to be average, and, given the other guys now on the line, they could have some synergy.


Wheeler is phsically under developed for a guy with his frame. However he is technically fairly sound. He just gets over powered a lot.

I wouldn't completely give up on Wheeler. He has to be ahead of Big George. However, what might make more sense is Big George is the develomental guy and Wheeler the swing. That feels like an upgrade to two positions.
His Surgery  
Samiam : 5/11/2019 5:53 pm : link
What type did he have? Somebody posted above that he played hurt every week. And he played out of position. Assuming it was the same injury and assuming the condition is fixed, he might be better than ok. And I’d be happy with an ok OL With Saquon running the ball. He doesn’t need a great OL to be very good. Look what he did last year with drek
His last season as a tackle  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 5:55 pm : link
He graded above average

Here’s some perspective on what “below average” tackle play looks like

https://mobile.twitter.com/evilandydalton/status/1105207168557613057

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/985950763217190912



Ready to form Voltron  
Brown Recluse : 5/11/2019 5:57 pm : link
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RE: ...  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14440035 Eric from BBI said:
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Eli and Saquon have to be thrilled.


I imagine Eli’s enthusiasm is a bit muted ... but they both should be

He’s a big upgrade, as “average” RT play is going to look elite compared to the garbage that’s been trotted out recently
I'm going to put this in perspective  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 5:58 pm : link
This is the best offensive line the Giants have had since 2011. It's not even close.
RE: I'm going to put this in perspective  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14440046 Eric from BBI said:
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This is the best offensive line the Giants have had since 2011. It's not even close.


This

and they might have the best Guard tandem in the NFL
RE: His Surgery  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14440037 Samiam said:
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What type did he have? Somebody posted above that he played hurt every week. And he played out of position. Assuming it was the same injury and assuming the condition is fixed, he might be better than ok. And I’d be happy with an ok OL With Saquon running the ball. He doesn’t need a great OL to be very good. Look what he did last year with drek


He had back surgery. Then the Vikings waived/failed physical him. The Giants were not going to sign him until he passed the physical.
RE: This allows them  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14440017 JoeFootball said:
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To use Wheeler as a TE in certain formations also.


Wheeler as a blocking TE would be quite interesting ...
In 2017  
YANKEE28 : 5/11/2019 6:01 pm : link
the Vikings had the 7th best rushing offense in football with Remmers starting every game at RT.

In 2018, the Vikings were 30th in rushing offense. This was an offensive line that had an injured Remmers moved to RG and a line that included former Giants Brett Jones and Adam Bisnowaty.

Remmers has just been added to a much better starting 5, and Kevin Zeitler is without question the best guard that Remmers has ever played next to.
Everyone knew it was coming  
darren in pdx : 5/11/2019 6:05 pm : link
but still had to wait for the confirmation. Last year the left side of the line was upgraded and now this year the right side of the line is upgraded. Let’s all hope Pio turns out to be solid, because that just means they can focus on getting quality tackles in next year’s draft to groom and replace Solder/Remmers down the road. If Pio isn’t working out, then center will be the main focus next offseason.

This has been a great off-season, hoping the new talent works out.
RE: I'm going to put this in perspective  
Klaatu : 5/11/2019 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14440046 Eric from BBI said:
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This is the best offensive line the Giants have had since 2011. It's not even close.


I don't know whether to laugh or cry about that. Seven freaking years of futility. Seven wasted years.
RE: I'm going to put this in perspective  
robbieballs2003 : 5/11/2019 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14440046 Eric from BBI said:
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This is the best offensive line the Giants have had since 2011. It's not even close.


Imo, it could be better than 2011. 2011 wasn't a great OL by any means but it just shows how far it fell off and how long ago it was. Eli carried us in 2011. We couldn't really run for shit that year. We had some good games here and there (1st round of the playoffs, I believe) but that 2011 OL was straight trash compared to that 2007-2008 OL.
Thrilled we are not filling the lions  
Giantimistic : 5/11/2019 6:09 pm : link
When they had Barry Sanders. They never gave him an adequate line. He made what he had look so much better. We may see something we have never seen before if we keep building this oline for Barkley. He could have 3,000 total yards from scrimmage in a season. Call me crazy but I think he at least breaks 2,500 with his running and catching.
I like  
Jon in NYC : 5/11/2019 6:22 pm : link
that it's a two year deal. I imagine they'll take a tackle in the mid rounds next year and that person will take over in 2021.

This line got three improvements in the offseason, once you account for Halapio missing almost all of last year.

I expect the offense to take a step forward despite losing Odell.
Whatever you think of Remmers  
Joey in VA : 5/11/2019 6:25 pm : link
DG sees the delta between players and jumps to fix the biggest gaps. He knows the bottom of the roster comes first and you work your way up, the reverse of his predecessor.
RE: I'm going to put this in perspective  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/11/2019 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14440046 Eric from BBI said:
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This is the best offensive line the Giants have had since 2011. It's not even close.

Our line was even kind of terrible in 2011, running on fumes, and digging deep for one last push in the playoffs.
This seems like  
WillVAB : 5/11/2019 6:32 pm : link
A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.

The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.
RE: This seems like  
robbieballs2003 : 5/11/2019 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14440072 WillVAB said:
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.

The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.


I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.
Nice add!  
Ryan in Albany : 5/11/2019 6:36 pm : link
It’s nice to have something to feel excited about in terms of the O-line.

great news  
Banks : 5/11/2019 6:39 pm : link
I don't think he's anything special, but compared to Wheeler he's prime Kareem McKenzie. The offense may be fun to watch for the first time in nearly a decade
Who said it's a two-year deal?  
Anakim : 5/11/2019 6:41 pm : link
Regardless, it may be one play, but THIS is just an awful whiff by Remmers
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Would have felt better about this signing  
widmerseyebrow : 5/11/2019 6:45 pm : link
if there was a promising tackle drafted round 1-4 on the roster. Hope his back holds up.
Here is an  
YANKEE28 : 5/11/2019 6:45 pm : link
article for all the Halapio haters out there.

This 2 sentences especially:

Through the first six quarters of the 2018 season, Halapio was arguably the Giants' most consistent and top-performing offensive lineman.

Halapio earned the best grade among all Giants offensive lineman in Week 1, according to Pro Football Focus, and he was off to a strong start again against the Cowboys despite not receiving any help from his fellow Giants offensive linemen.
Link - ( New Window )
From Flowers/Omameh  
RobCarpenter : 5/11/2019 6:48 pm : link
To Remmers/Zeitler.
Per Ian Rapoport on Twitter  
Aaron Thomas : 5/11/2019 6:50 pm : link
The #Giants and newly signed RT Mike Remmers agreed to terms on a 1-year deal worth $2.5M, source said. He gets $1M fully guaranteed and another $1.5M available that can bring it to a max of $4M with play-time incentives. A nice deal this late in the offseason.
,  
Banks : 5/11/2019 6:53 pm : link
6 quarters is hard to judge anyone. If we take Fitzpatrick's first 6 quarters last year he was on pace for 75 tds
Aaron Thomas  
YANKEE28 : 5/11/2019 6:53 pm : link
is on fire today with the Remmers updates.

Thanks # 88 !!!
RE: Here is an  
Giantz_comeback : 5/11/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14440090 YANKEE28 said:
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article for all the Halapio haters out there.

This 2 sentences especially:

Through the first six quarters of the 2018 season, Halapio was arguably the Giants' most consistent and top-performing offensive lineman.

Halapio earned the best grade among all Giants offensive lineman in Week 1, according to Pro Football Focus, and he was off to a strong start again against the Cowboys despite not receiving any help from his fellow Giants offensive linemen. Link - ( New Window )


Well DG has a great eye for the Mollies. That is an encouraging reminder about Pios potential. I mean gasp imagine if we actually have 5 functioning OL who are all solid or better? Honestly, I think that would have a bigger impact than still having OBJ but a below average unit.

To all those whiners  
5BowlsSoon : 5/11/2019 7:00 pm : link
Do you guys really expect 5 all pros on the line? You crack me up.

Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.

I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.
RE: RE: This seems like  
WillVAB : 5/11/2019 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14440076 robbieballs2003 said:
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.

The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.



I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.


You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.

We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.
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robbieballs2003 : 5/11/2019 7:09 pm : link
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.

The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.



I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.



You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.

We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.


It does solidify and set the OL. That means it does next year too?
RE: To all those whiners  
WillVAB : 5/11/2019 7:10 pm : link
In comment 14440110 5BowlsSoon said:
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Do you guys really expect 5 all pros on the line? You crack me up.

Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.

I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.


The OL’s around the division look like 5 pro bowlers relative to this group. They have backups who would start here.

So yea, the Giants need to do better. Halapio and Remmers are false hope.
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WillVAB : 5/11/2019 7:11 pm : link
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.

The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.



I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.



You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.

We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.



It does solidify and set the OL. That means it does next year too?


If you think the OL is straight now after this signing you’re just as delusional as the rest.
RE: Here is an  
Giants_Rock : 5/11/2019 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14440090 YANKEE28 said:
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article for all the Halapio haters out there.

This 2 sentences especially:

Through the first six quarters of the 2018 season, Halapio was arguably the Giants' most consistent and top-performing offensive lineman.

Halapio earned the best grade among all Giants offensive lineman in Week 1, according to Pro Football Focus, and he was off to a strong start again against the Cowboys despite not receiving any help from his fellow Giants offensive linemen. Link - ( New Window )


I'm not a Halapio hater but Solder and Hernadez started poorly last year so saying he was the best Giants olineman the 1st 6 quarters doesn't mean much.
Nice...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/11/2019 7:21 pm : link
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rich in DC : 5/11/2019 7:24 pm : link
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.

The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.



I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.



You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.

We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.



It does solidify and set the OL. That means it does next year too?



If you think the OL is straight now after this signing you’re just as delusional as the rest.


Well, when a poster is batting .000 in their comments, keep swinging for the fences. You could just join bw as a Skins fan- your posts show you are more than halfway there already.

You seem to be in this permanent negative funk and have lost sight of the forest for the trees.
It was the right move  
eclipz928 : 5/11/2019 7:26 pm : link
signing Remmers, but I'll wait to see his contract and the product on the field before getting excited about this. I've seen this movie before - the ending isn't always what you expect.
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GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 7:30 pm : link
This OL is significantly better than in years past. No one is saying Remmers is a savior, but he’s better than Wheeler and much better than Hart.

It’s a 1 year stopgap with a decent vet. No idea how anyone could dislike this move
RE: RE: DG has done a GREAT job upgrading the OL  
Giants_Rock : 5/11/2019 7:33 pm : link
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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.

Week 16
Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart

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Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty



Solder, Hernandez, Hapapio, Zeitler, Remmers

That is 3 significant upgrades + Remmers is an improvement at RT ... thank you for the reminder, people forget how atrocious the OL was pre-DG


I doubt anybody's forgotten how bad this oline was. It's been a seven year nightmare.
RE: I sense...  
AcidTest : 5/11/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14440016 Eric from BBI said:
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a fairly big division here on Remmers.

I think Giants fans have become too accustomed to bad OL play.

Provided Remmers is healthy (he had back surgery BEFORE the Vikings waived/failed physical), he is a big upgrade at right tackle.

In fact, our offensive line - on paper - actually looks pretty damn good right now.


Agreed.
WillVAB  
Klaatu : 5/11/2019 7:49 pm : link
You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This seems like  
WillVAB : 5/11/2019 7:52 pm : link
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.

The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.



I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.



You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.

We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.



It does solidify and set the OL. That means it does next year too?



If you think the OL is straight now after this signing you’re just as delusional as the rest.



Well, when a poster is batting .000 in their comments, keep swinging for the fences. You could just join bw as a Skins fan- your posts show you are more than halfway there already.

You seem to be in this permanent negative funk and have lost sight of the forest for the trees.


Tempering enthusiasm for Remmers passes for “swinging for the fences” around here?

It’s called being realistic. The guy has had some rough years and is coming off back surgery. Look at his contract. This is a stopgap move at best and a justification for kicking the OL can down the road.

Halapio and Remmers are hopes and prayers, not real solutions.
RE: WillVAB  
WillVAB : 5/11/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14440182 Klaatu said:
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.


It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”
Hopefully Remmers doesn't play like complete garbage for 8 games  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/11/2019 7:58 pm : link
like Mr. 60 million at LT.
RE: RE: WillVAB  
Klaatu : 5/11/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14440191 WillVAB said:
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”


Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.
The thing  
YANKEE28 : 5/11/2019 8:04 pm : link
I don't like about Remmers is how much his NFL career sank since 3:43 pm today.

I read all about it on BBI.
Provided Remmers can hold up  
BSIMatt : 5/11/2019 8:04 pm : link
I’m most excited for Saquan, he won roty with one hand tied behind his back. The crazy thing is the line did improve last year down the stretch. Solder with a year 2 Hernandez next to him, and what look to be significant improvements at the other 3 spots(health permitting) is exciting to think about.
Remmers, if healthy, should be an upgrade over Wheeler  
SGMen : 5/11/2019 8:05 pm : link
First, you have to assume he stays healthy. He didn't have a "major" back surgery but yet any back surgery is risky. He knows Shurmur and his offense, his style, so he is a good fit.

My hope is Wheeler has improved by a good bit with another off-season. IMHO, he is the #1 RT going into camp and Remmers is fighting him for the starting job. We shall see.

Would anyone be shocked if opening day our OL ends up being:

Solder-Hernandez-Pulley-Zeitler-Wheeler with Remmers the backup swing OT; Hilapio the top interior OL backup; and, perhaps two rookies in O'Hagan and Big George from Kentucky backing up as well? I would not mind that in the least.
Good.  
jogo1 : 5/11/2019 8:06 pm : link
A replacement was desperately needed for the Markus Kuhn of right tackles.
There's no such thing as 'minor' back surgery, especially for big men.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/11/2019 8:10 pm : link
And this isn't Remmers' first time dealing with back issues. He's been on and off with them for a couple of seasons.
RE: RE: RE: WillVAB  
WillVAB : 5/11/2019 8:14 pm : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”



Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.


I didn’t knock the move. Again, it was the best of what was left.

But we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There’s no guarantee he’s better than Wheeler coming off a back injury.

But the collective BBI fist bumping bc the Giants landed a name at RT is a little delusional imv.
RE: There's no such thing as 'minor' back surgery, especially for big men.  
Joey in VA : 5/11/2019 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14440218 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And this isn't Remmers' first time dealing with back issues. He's been on and off with them for a couple of seasons.
Sure there is. Discectomies are nothing these days. I had one 12 years ago and walked home and I haven't had an issue since. The back is no longer a kiss of death. Mike Strahan had the same surgery right after signing his "big" contract and he took after that. I'm not suggesting REmmers becomes an All Pro but it's not the death knell it was, this is about 20 year old thinking, no offense intended either.
Wondering where Big George winds up now  
Poktown Pete : 5/11/2019 8:20 pm : link
Before this announcement, I read earlier today that he was penciled in as the #2 RT. Guess that was overly optimistic?

If George can't beat out Wheeler, guess he could probably get stashed on the practice squad. If he does beat out Wheeler, would Giants cut ties with Wheeler, who's still young and hopefully still improving? Can we carry all 3? Maybe George gets some training camp work at RG?
2014  
bc4life : 5/11/2019 8:22 pm : link
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like everyone I'd have preferred Daryl Williams  
Eric on Li : 5/11/2019 8:30 pm : link
but he chose to go back to Carolina. Getting the guy twice held him off in training camp and has the added bonus of having played in Shurmur's offense in addition to Shula's is a good fallback plan. Hopefully like Diehl in 2012 he can play a passable RT and buy us another year to figure out he longer term solution - whether its big George or a high pick next year.
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robbieballs2003 : 5/11/2019 8:32 pm : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”



Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.



I didn’t knock the move. Again, it was the best of what was left.

But we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There’s no guarantee he’s better than Wheeler coming off a back injury.

But the collective BBI fist bumping bc the Giants landed a name at RT is a little delusional imv.


You are changing your argument from posters saying this is a long term solution because they said our OL is "set" to now saying people are overreacting saying this is the best OL we've had in years. Stop twisting other people's words. One, nobody said this was a long term solution. Nobody. Two, thos is the best OL we've had in years. Fuckin relax with calling people delusional. We aren't as delusional as you are miserable.
RE: RE: RE: RE: WillVAB  
section125 : 5/11/2019 8:40 pm : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”



Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.



I didn’t knock the move. Again, it was the best of what was left.

But we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There’s no guarantee he’s better than Wheeler coming off a back injury.

But the collective BBI fist bumping bc the Giants landed a name at RT is a little delusional imv.


If you think Wheeler is even close to Remmers in ability, you are the one that is delusional. It is not a collective fist bump, it is a sigh of relief that they signed a professional RT.
This O Line is for real now  
Rjanyg : 5/11/2019 8:46 pm : link
Very excited about this team. It has a veteran O Line with the best RB in football, a young Defense with loads of potential, Eli with his Heir at QB, solid Special teams.

our  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 9:03 pm : link
new right tackle!

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2019 9:05 pm : link
What's nice is we have three vets right now who shouldn't be quaking in their cleats at the very site of the Eagles.
He has worn 74 in all of the pictures I am seen of him  
Steve in ATL : 5/11/2019 9:20 pm : link
Looks like 74 is open on the roster. I wonder if the Giants have been holding it for him.
...  
GothamGiants : 5/11/2019 9:41 pm : link
Chad Wheeler allowed ~3 pressures per game and graded as 1 of the worst run blocking offensive lineman at any position in the league last year

He was awful.
Nice signing  
XBRONX : 5/11/2019 9:48 pm : link
Remmers is the real Diehl.
First off  
Jay on the Island : 5/11/2019 10:09 pm : link
Nobody is confusing Remmers for Kareem McKenzie. Remmers struggled at guard for the Vikings but he has proven to be a solid RT for years. This creates competition at RT and adds depth by moving Wheeler to the swing tackle role. With all the holes on the roster it was impossible to fill them all in one offseason.

Remmers is a one year stopgap that gives them time to evaluate Asafo-Adjei. If they don’t like what they see from him and Wheeler they can look to free agency or the draft for the long term solution.
If he and Halapio are average  
AcesUp : 5/11/2019 10:31 pm : link
or even slightly below average...we'll have one of the better OLs in the league. There are a lot of really good OLs with a Remmers starting on their line, no team has 5 all pros or high draft picks starting.
I like the signing  
ryanmkeane : 5/12/2019 6:10 am : link
and we should look to add C or RT in the draft next year in the first couple rounds.

What will be interesting is to see Remmers’ performance vs a few of the quality right tackles taken in the 2019 draft.

It’s not apples to apples obviously because we had holes all over the entire roster, but I’m still thinking we might regret it a little bit that we didn’t go OL earlier in the draft, but perhaps the value wasn’t there.

Remmers + adding legitimate defensive starters in the draft seems like something all of BBI can get behind.
RE: I have to say it  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/12/2019 8:01 am : link
In comment 14440009 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Dream Team.

You could say nothing; that's always an option.
Wait...what ever happended  
Jimmy Googs : 5/12/2019 8:10 am : link
with us signing Anthony Davis?
RE: Wait...what ever happended  
Giantz_comeback : 5/12/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14440428 Jimmy Googs said:
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with us signing Anthony Davis?


Didnt you hear? Hes coming in to play OC. Talks ongoing. Stay tuned. ;)
RE: I like the signing  
UConn4523 : 5/12/2019 8:42 am : link
In comment 14440402 ryanmkeane said:
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and we should look to add C or RT in the draft next year in the first couple rounds.

What will be interesting is to see Remmers’ performance vs a few of the quality right tackles taken in the 2019 draft.

It’s not apples to apples obviously because we had holes all over the entire roster, but I’m still thinking we might regret it a little bit that we didn’t go OL earlier in the draft, but perhaps the value wasn’t there.

Remmers + adding legitimate defensive starters in the draft seems like something all of BBI can get behind.


If we take a RT high then we don't get Lawrence and Baker, so that means those 2 units aren't as good. Simply can't have everything in 1 draft. Remmers, if adequate, provides us a stop gap to allow us to prioritize RT next season.
RE: RE: I like the signing  
Giantz_comeback : 5/12/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14440447 UConn4523 said:
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and we should look to add C or RT in the draft next year in the first couple rounds.

What will be interesting is to see Remmers’ performance vs a few of the quality right tackles taken in the 2019 draft.

It’s not apples to apples obviously because we had holes all over the entire roster, but I’m still thinking we might regret it a little bit that we didn’t go OL earlier in the draft, but perhaps the value wasn’t there.

Remmers + adding legitimate defensive starters in the draft seems like something all of BBI can get behind.



If we take a RT high then we don't get Lawrence and Baker, so that means those 2 units aren't as good. Simply can't have everything in 1 draft. Remmers, if adequate, provides us a stop gap to allow us to prioritize RT next season.


If the draft resembles anything like this year or some previous years when we pick in the high 20's next year there should be some quality RTs.
it's not hard to envision a world where we regret passing on Dillard  
Eric on Li : 5/12/2019 10:12 am : link
and using the Remmers $ to sign someone like Danny Shelton.

But Gettleman stuck by his evaluations and I think we can all agree the defense needs all it can get. At the end of the day if they had a higher grade on Dillard (or any other OL) I think they would have taken them, and you go with the higher graded player every time. You don't want to pass on Wilfork and force a pick at another position.
RE: Wait...what ever happended  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14440428 Jimmy Googs said:
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with us signing Anthony Davis?

The paperwork is still being held up at the league office.
RE: If he and Halapio are average  
Nine-Tails : 5/12/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14440333 AcesUp said:
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or even slightly below average...we'll have one of the better OLs in the league. There are a lot of really good OLs with a Remmers starting on their line, no team has 5 all pros or high draft picks starting.


This. I don't think some here know that ol around the league are not very good. It's just that our ol has been bad and the eagles and cowboys have had strong lines for years now.
RE: it's not hard to envision a world where we regret passing on Dillard  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14440503 Eric on Li said:
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and using the Remmers $ to sign someone like Danny Shelton.

But Gettleman stuck by his evaluations and I think we can all agree the defense needs all it can get. At the end of the day if they had a higher grade on Dillard (or any other OL) I think they would have taken them, and you go with the higher graded player every time. You don't want to pass on Wilfork and force a pick at another position.

Well said Eric. It was definitely a tough decision but it's way too difficult to pass up a DT compared to Haloti Ngata and Vince Wilfork with the 17th pick. The DL desperately needed another starting caliber player. DL was a bigger need than RT.
They chose Remmers over using a premium draft pick  
JonC : 5/12/2019 12:25 pm : link
which enabled them to draft a starter at NT and CB, and by doing so likely set three starting positions.

Remmers is an upgrade, and they're not easy to find, especially at a relative bargain.
not to oversimplify it all depends on who pans out and who doesn't  
Eric on Li : 5/12/2019 12:38 pm : link
Danny Shelton himself was the next Haloti Ngata just a few years ago. If Dillard (or whoever) ends up being a stud and Lawrence ends up being a 2 down run stuffer and nothing more, everyone will say they should have done something else. Every GM gets second guessed, and the draft is the easiest thing to second guess. Some still second guess picking Barkley.

But without the assistance of hindsight they selected Lawrence because they feel there's a bigger difference in his talents then the next best option. They obviously didn't feel that way about any of the OL relative to Remmers. They're professionals so I'm not going to call that a mistake based on PFF or any other amateur opinion, especially when our OC + HC have both coached Remmers before and to some degree have their jobs on the line with every decision they make. They addressed needs and made their evals, now things will either work out or they won't like Omahmeh last year. It could go either way.

I'm satisfied that unlike the previous GM they've tried to address obvious needs and create competition, which is almost always better than doing nothing and hoping things just work out.
Yep, got to believe  
JonC : 5/12/2019 12:58 pm : link
NYG has largely done a great job with first round picks for many years.

Not ironically, it appears picking for need (imo) is where they blew it badly.
RE: To all those whiners  
HomerJones45 : 5/12/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14440110 5BowlsSoon said:
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Do you guys really expect 5 all pros on the line? You crack me up.

Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.

I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.
Please. You pom pom wavers want to get hard ons over a bum tackle who has been let go by multiple teams with a bad back and a concussion history. That's your privilege, but a lot of us have heard the happy talk before - and there is more than one house organ pumper for the front office on this site - and have stopped listening to it. That is their privilege. Seeing is believing.
RE: RE: To all those whiners  
Klaatu : 5/12/2019 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14440686 HomerJones45 said:
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Do you guys really expect 5 all pros on the line? You crack me up.

Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.

I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.

Please. You pom pom wavers want to get hard ons over a bum tackle who has been let go by multiple teams with a bad back and a concussion history. That's your privilege, but a lot of us have heard the happy talk before - and there is more than one house organ pumper for the front office on this site - and have stopped listening to it. That is their privilege. Seeing is believing.


That's a very misleading description of Mike Remmers. I guess being purposely deceptive is your privilege.
RE: I watched a few Vikings games last year...  
micky : 5/13/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14439931 crackerjack465 said:
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I dunno. Nice depth move but I kind of hope that Wheeler progresses enough to beat him out. He's not very good...

This is one play, but I honestly have no idea what he was doing here. Here - ( New Window )


Yup he'll fit right in the giants way
RE: The thing  
Harvest Blend : 5/13/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14440203 YANKEE28 said:
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I don't like about Remmers is how much his NFL career sank since 3:43 pm today.

I read all about it on BBI.


LOL. This place really sucks sometimes.

But, but, but......he's never been 1st team All-Pro!!
RE: RE: RE: WillVAB  
giants#1 : 5/13/2019 9:31 am : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”



Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.


On paper at least, this OL has the chance to be at least as good as the 2007 OL (Diehl - Seubert - O'Hara - Snee - McKenzie):

Soldier > Diehl
Hernandez > Seubert (potential for WH to be much better and I'm a huge fan of #69)
Halapio << O'Hara
Zeitler > Snee (Snee was awesome, but I don't think people realize how good Zeitler's been)
Remmers << McKenzie

The big advantages for the '07 OL were obviously C and RT, but if Halapio can be serviceable and Hernandez takes a big step forward, they could compensate for Remmers (who's a massive upgrade over Wheeler). Of course, the big thing with that '07 line is that they functioned as one cohesive unit and everyone always knew what the guy next to him was doing. We'll see how quickly the chemistry between this unit develops.
He doesn't need to be a Pro Bowler to be an upgrade  
Don in DC : 5/13/2019 10:59 am : link
worthy of this contract. If he is even serviceable... even mediocre... he will be a huge improvement over Wheeler.

If he plays all 16 games and performs, he is well worth the $4MM. If he doesn't, a 1 year $2.5MM contract is of very little consequence.

Thus, I consider this to be a great signing. Nice potential upside, nearly no downside.
RE: RE: RE: RE: WillVAB  
Giantz_comeback : 5/13/2019 11:31 am : link
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.



It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.

The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”



Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.



On paper at least, this OL has the chance to be at least as good as the 2007 OL (Diehl - Seubert - O'Hara - Snee - McKenzie):

Soldier > Diehl
Hernandez > Seubert (potential for WH to be much better and I'm a huge fan of #69)
Halapio << O'Hara
Zeitler > Snee (Snee was awesome, but I don't think people realize how good Zeitler's been)
Remmers << McKenzie

The big advantages for the '07 OL were obviously C and RT, but if Halapio can be serviceable and Hernandez takes a big step forward, they could compensate for Remmers (who's a massive upgrade over Wheeler). Of course, the big thing with that '07 line is that they functioned as one cohesive unit and everyone always knew what the guy next to him was doing. We'll see how quickly the chemistry between this unit develops.


Post 2008 I would agree as guys started to age get injured etc. But 2007-2008 that line had a ton of chemistry. Most had been together for a few years and were a well oiled machine. This OL will not be better for those reasons but could easily be better than any after that which should be plenty good enough for Eli and Barkley to thrive.
That's why I made the point about the '07 units cohesion  
giants#1 : 5/13/2019 11:40 am : link
They weren't the most talented group (though Snee and McKenzie were prototypical guys), but they functioned as a single body and rarely missed handing off a stunt. The sum was definitely greater than the parts with that unit.

They have the talent to be at least an average OL now. The big question to me is how quickly can they come together? If they're blowing stunts, then it doesn't matter if they're dominating individual matchups.
RE: That's why I made the point about the '07 units cohesion  
Giantz_comeback : 5/13/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14441642 giants#1 said:
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They weren't the most talented group (though Snee and McKenzie were prototypical guys), but they functioned as a single body and rarely missed handing off a stunt. The sum was definitely greater than the parts with that unit.

They have the talent to be at least an average OL now. The big question to me is how quickly can they come together? If they're blowing stunts, then it doesn't matter if they're dominating individual matchups.


Exactly but the hope is there is a good mix of veterans in this group. Dont see the machine that the 2007-8 line was but one that will operate pretty efficiently in its own right.
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