Happy to announce that Mike Remmers just agreed in principle to a deal with the New York Giants and is looking forward to moving back to his natural position of right tackle. His last 2 seasons playing that position he helped his teams to a Super Bowl and a NFC Championship game.
The work DG has done with the oline in 2 offseasons is overlooked by many pundits
We need a Glenn Parker or Lomas Brown type season from remmers. Don’t think that’s asking too much.
His agent tweeted it. I think that's pretty good confirmation.
@AdamSchefter
In a move many expected, the Giants signed former Panthers’ and Vikings OT Mike Remmers’, per his agent,
@TesslerSports
. Remmers expected to play RT for the Giants.
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This is one play, but I honestly have no idea what he was doing here.
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Well...he is an upgrade, I guess. How huge remains to be seen.
Against Von Miller in his prime. Now I don't think he's some savior, but to hold that against him isn't fair.
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well for one thing, he's playing a different position.
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He played G last season and wasn't as good.
Von miller will do that to people ... he held his own against JJ Watt and has been playing out of position at G
He’s a quality RT, and an upgrade that Shurmur’s familiar with. Perfect stop gap ... i assume next draft is Offense-heavy (WR/OT early)
In the case of the Giants, average is good.
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I dunno. Nice depth move but I kind of hope that Wheeler progresses enough to beat him out. He's not very good...
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He played G last season and wasn't as good.
Yeah, I know. I'm not trying to be a hater, it's May and this is a great signing for what is available. If he plays great, so be it.
It's still a comical play though.
Zeitler is the difference maker ... Remmers is a stop gap / upgrade from Wheeler
It’s a huge step up from the Flowers/Hart/Wheeler type options DG inherited . This OL will be above average
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It honestly looks like he was blocking on a screen play that wasn’t actually the play call ... nice push though!
You want to see ineptitude? I present E. Flowers
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Solder, Hernandez, Hapapio, Zeitler, Remmers
That is 3 significant upgrades + Remmers is an improvement at RT ... thank you for the reminder, people forget how atrocious the OL was pre-DG
It started with the drafting of Hernandez,and continued with the trade for Zeitler.
Now consider a few facts on Mike Remmers:
1. Last year, he was on the Vikings injury report almost every week. Yet every Sunday he not only dressed, but also started and took most snaps. Fans talk about him playing a new position at guard last year, but fail to mention he showed the toughness to show up and play thru injuries each week.
2. Remmers started from nothing. No scholarship offers. He just walked on at Oregon State. Hard work and toughness got him to onto the starting unit. Didn't even get a full scholarship until his 2nd year. By his Senior year he was their top O lineman.
3. Remmers wasn't drafted. Signed as an UDFA with the Broncos. Cut many times during his NFL career, but eventually worked his way to a starting role and a $30 million contract. The Giants will be his 7th team.
Say what you will about the Remmers signing, but more of his toughness is just what this Giants O Line needs.
Just do the math:
2019 Zeitler + Remmers > 2018 Omameh + Flowers
When his NFL career is over, he should look for a job as a Matador.
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You want to see ineptitude? I present E. Flowers 3 missed blocks ... in 5 seconds - ( New Window )
When his NFL career is over, he should look for a job as a Matador.
It is truly mind blowing how someone could be that large and supposedly strong/powerful and just be such a terrible OL
Basically every weakness in his scouting report came to fruition ... no more Flowers/Apple/Wilson type 1st rounders anymore thankfully
Pulley (albeit not the best out there) is your vet. I think next year they look at youth at tackle and center very hard in the draft.
They like Halapio, Pulley is decent, and they have a top UDFA getting some buzz ... doubt they add another C
(Wisconsin Biadasz next year is near the top of my 2020 draft list)
Funny to think of what this line was back in 2017 to now. Please get through camp unscathed!
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Wheeler is not any good either
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to compete in camp
They like Halapio, Pulley is decent, and they have a top UDFA getting some buzz ... doubt they add another C
(Wisconsin Biadasz next year is near the top of my 2020 draft list)
Evan Brown (UDFA last year) evidently showed enough last season to keep around for a year.
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I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.
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I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.
Depends on your definition of great. OL play across the NFL is pretty damn bad. Imo, this puts us in the top third of OL in the league.
Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.
Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.
While he's been around the block, there is a reason why the Vikings gave him a $30 million contract.
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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.
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I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.
You don't know what?
Solder > Flowers/Wheeler
Hernandez > Jerry
Halapio > Jones
Zeitler > Halapio
Remmers > Hart/Bisnowaty
Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.
That's a little deceptive. For context, he bounced around from PS to PS with five teams in his first three years in the league, until Gettleman signed him off of the Rams PS. He spent the next three years with Carolina, starting every game he played (mostly at RT, some at LT), then two years with Minnesota, where in 2017 he started 11 games at RT (missing five with a concussion and lower back injury). In 2018, he started all 16 games at RG.
I think Giants fans have become too accustomed to bad OL play.
Provided Remmers is healthy (he had back surgery BEFORE the Vikings waived/failed physical), he is a big upgrade at right tackle.
In fact, our offensive line - on paper - actually looks pretty damn good right now.
This is good perspective.
Remmers is not one of those guys like Diehl that tou can plug multiple places on the OL and get better than average production. Some guys are strictly one position players. Luke Pettitgout for example stunk everywhere but when we put him at LT he played great until his back gave out.
Remmers seems to be strictly a RT. And if the back doesnt hamper him he still youngish and should continue to be an average to solid RT. Which is a big jump from anything we've had the past few years.
Solder- slightly above average to solid LT
Hernandez - 2nd year should be above average to excellent LG
Pulley/Halapio/O Hagan- this is the question mark, may best guy win out and hopefully be adequate. Anything more is a bonus.
Zietler- One of the better RGs in the game both in the pass and run game.
Remmers- average to solid RT.
Depth:
Wheeler- continuing to work hard and has AA. Hopefully a passable swing OT for us if we need him.
Paul Adams- highly ranked UDFA.
O Hagan- one of top NCAA rated OCs per PFF.
George- has tools and AA you hope develops quickly.
This OL is light years ahead of last years starting unit which was settling in combined with some cast offs and injuries.
Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.
Dont need greatness we have pretty good players at other spots on the OL we just need steady.
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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.
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I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.
Depends on your definition of great. OL play across the NFL is pretty damn bad. Imo, this puts us in the top third of OL in the league.
If Remmers is just solid this OL could easily be top 1/3. Who would have thunk it?
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And people wonder why Eli looked so bad.
Wheeler is phsically under developed for a guy with his frame. However he is technically fairly sound. He just gets over powered a lot.
I wouldn't completely give up on Wheeler. He has to be ahead of Big George. However, what might make more sense is Big George is the develomental guy and Wheeler the swing. That feels like an upgrade to two positions.
Here’s some perspective on what “below average” tackle play looks like
https://mobile.twitter.com/evilandydalton/status/1105207168557613057
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/985950763217190912
I imagine Eli’s enthusiasm is a bit muted ... but they both should be
He’s a big upgrade, as “average” RT play is going to look elite compared to the garbage that’s been trotted out recently
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and they might have the best Guard tandem in the NFL
He had back surgery. Then the Vikings waived/failed physical him. The Giants were not going to sign him until he passed the physical.
Wheeler as a blocking TE would be quite interesting ...
In 2018, the Vikings were 30th in rushing offense. This was an offensive line that had an injured Remmers moved to RG and a line that included former Giants Brett Jones and Adam Bisnowaty.
Remmers has just been added to a much better starting 5, and Kevin Zeitler is without question the best guard that Remmers has ever played next to.
This has been a great off-season, hoping the new talent works out.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry about that. Seven freaking years of futility. Seven wasted years.
Imo, it could be better than 2011. 2011 wasn't a great OL by any means but it just shows how far it fell off and how long ago it was. Eli carried us in 2011. We couldn't really run for shit that year. We had some good games here and there (1st round of the playoffs, I believe) but that 2011 OL was straight trash compared to that 2007-2008 OL.
This line got three improvements in the offseason, once you account for Halapio missing almost all of last year.
I expect the offense to take a step forward despite losing Odell.
Our line was even kind of terrible in 2011, running on fumes, and digging deep for one last push in the playoffs.
The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.
The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.
I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.
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Through the first six quarters of the 2018 season, Halapio was arguably the Giants' most consistent and top-performing offensive lineman.
Halapio earned the best grade among all Giants offensive lineman in Week 1, according to Pro Football Focus, and he was off to a strong start again against the Cowboys despite not receiving any help from his fellow Giants offensive linemen.
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Thanks # 88 !!!
This 2 sentences especially:
Through the first six quarters of the 2018 season, Halapio was arguably the Giants' most consistent and top-performing offensive lineman.
Halapio earned the best grade among all Giants offensive lineman in Week 1, according to Pro Football Focus, and he was off to a strong start again against the Cowboys despite not receiving any help from his fellow Giants offensive linemen. Link - ( New Window )
Well DG has a great eye for the Mollies. That is an encouraging reminder about Pios potential. I mean gasp imagine if we actually have 5 functioning OL who are all solid or better? Honestly, I think that would have a bigger impact than still having OBJ but a below average unit.
Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.
I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.
The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.
I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.
You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.
We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.
The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.
I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.
You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.
We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.
It does solidify and set the OL. That means it does next year too?
Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.
I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.
The OL’s around the division look like 5 pro bowlers relative to this group. They have backups who would start here.
So yea, the Giants need to do better. Halapio and Remmers are false hope.
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.
The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.
I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.
You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.
We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.
It does solidify and set the OL. That means it does next year too?
If you think the OL is straight now after this signing you’re just as delusional as the rest.
This 2 sentences especially:
Through the first six quarters of the 2018 season, Halapio was arguably the Giants' most consistent and top-performing offensive lineman.
Halapio earned the best grade among all Giants offensive lineman in Week 1, according to Pro Football Focus, and he was off to a strong start again against the Cowboys despite not receiving any help from his fellow Giants offensive linemen. Link - ( New Window )
I'm not a Halapio hater but Solder and Hernadez started poorly last year so saying he was the best Giants olineman the 1st 6 quarters doesn't mean much.
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.
The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.
I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.
You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.
We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.
It does solidify and set the OL. That means it does next year too?
If you think the OL is straight now after this signing you’re just as delusional as the rest.
Well, when a poster is batting .000 in their comments, keep swinging for the fences. You could just join bw as a Skins fan- your posts show you are more than halfway there already.
You seem to be in this permanent negative funk and have lost sight of the forest for the trees.
It’s a 1 year stopgap with a decent vet. No idea how anyone could dislike this move
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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season.
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Solder, Hernandez, Hapapio, Zeitler, Remmers
That is 3 significant upgrades + Remmers is an improvement at RT ... thank you for the reminder, people forget how atrocious the OL was pre-DG
I doubt anybody's forgotten how bad this oline was. It's been a seven year nightmare.
I think Giants fans have become too accustomed to bad OL play.
Provided Remmers is healthy (he had back surgery BEFORE the Vikings waived/failed physical), he is a big upgrade at right tackle.
In fact, our offensive line - on paper - actually looks pretty damn good right now.
Agreed.
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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.
The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.
I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.
You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.
We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.
It does solidify and set the OL. That means it does next year too?
If you think the OL is straight now after this signing you’re just as delusional as the rest.
Well, when a poster is batting .000 in their comments, keep swinging for the fences. You could just join bw as a Skins fan- your posts show you are more than halfway there already.
You seem to be in this permanent negative funk and have lost sight of the forest for the trees.
Tempering enthusiasm for Remmers passes for “swinging for the fences” around here?
It’s called being realistic. The guy has had some rough years and is coming off back surgery. Look at his contract. This is a stopgap move at best and a justification for kicking the OL can down the road.
Halapio and Remmers are hopes and prayers, not real solutions.
It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.
The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.
It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.
The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”
Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.
I read all about it on BBI.
My hope is Wheeler has improved by a good bit with another off-season. IMHO, he is the #1 RT going into camp and Remmers is fighting him for the starting job. We shall see.
Would anyone be shocked if opening day our OL ends up being:
Solder-Hernandez-Pulley-Zeitler-Wheeler with Remmers the backup swing OT; Hilapio the top interior OL backup; and, perhaps two rookies in O'Hagan and Big George from Kentucky backing up as well? I would not mind that in the least.
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.
It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.
The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”
Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.
I didn’t knock the move. Again, it was the best of what was left.
But we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There’s no guarantee he’s better than Wheeler coming off a back injury.
But the collective BBI fist bumping bc the Giants landed a name at RT is a little delusional imv.
If George can't beat out Wheeler, guess he could probably get stashed on the practice squad. If he does beat out Wheeler, would Giants cut ties with Wheeler, who's still young and hopefully still improving? Can we carry all 3? Maybe George gets some training camp work at RG?
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.
It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.
The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”
Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.
I didn’t knock the move. Again, it was the best of what was left.
But we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There’s no guarantee he’s better than Wheeler coming off a back injury.
But the collective BBI fist bumping bc the Giants landed a name at RT is a little delusional imv.
You are changing your argument from posters saying this is a long term solution because they said our OL is "set" to now saying people are overreacting saying this is the best OL we've had in years. Stop twisting other people's words. One, nobody said this was a long term solution. Nobody. Two, thos is the best OL we've had in years. Fuckin relax with calling people delusional. We aren't as delusional as you are miserable.
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.
It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.
The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”
Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.
I didn’t knock the move. Again, it was the best of what was left.
But we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There’s no guarantee he’s better than Wheeler coming off a back injury.
But the collective BBI fist bumping bc the Giants landed a name at RT is a little delusional imv.
If you think Wheeler is even close to Remmers in ability, you are the one that is delusional. It is not a collective fist bump, it is a sigh of relief that they signed a professional RT.
He was awful.
Remmers is a one year stopgap that gives them time to evaluate Asafo-Adjei. If they don’t like what they see from him and Wheeler they can look to free agency or the draft for the long term solution.
What will be interesting is to see Remmers’ performance vs a few of the quality right tackles taken in the 2019 draft.
It’s not apples to apples obviously because we had holes all over the entire roster, but I’m still thinking we might regret it a little bit that we didn’t go OL earlier in the draft, but perhaps the value wasn’t there.
Remmers + adding legitimate defensive starters in the draft seems like something all of BBI can get behind.
You could say nothing; that's always an option.
Didnt you hear? Hes coming in to play OC. Talks ongoing. Stay tuned. ;)
What will be interesting is to see Remmers’ performance vs a few of the quality right tackles taken in the 2019 draft.
It’s not apples to apples obviously because we had holes all over the entire roster, but I’m still thinking we might regret it a little bit that we didn’t go OL earlier in the draft, but perhaps the value wasn’t there.
Remmers + adding legitimate defensive starters in the draft seems like something all of BBI can get behind.
If we take a RT high then we don't get Lawrence and Baker, so that means those 2 units aren't as good. Simply can't have everything in 1 draft. Remmers, if adequate, provides us a stop gap to allow us to prioritize RT next season.
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and we should look to add C or RT in the draft next year in the first couple rounds.
What will be interesting is to see Remmers’ performance vs a few of the quality right tackles taken in the 2019 draft.
It’s not apples to apples obviously because we had holes all over the entire roster, but I’m still thinking we might regret it a little bit that we didn’t go OL earlier in the draft, but perhaps the value wasn’t there.
Remmers + adding legitimate defensive starters in the draft seems like something all of BBI can get behind.
If we take a RT high then we don't get Lawrence and Baker, so that means those 2 units aren't as good. Simply can't have everything in 1 draft. Remmers, if adequate, provides us a stop gap to allow us to prioritize RT next season.
If the draft resembles anything like this year or some previous years when we pick in the high 20's next year there should be some quality RTs.
But Gettleman stuck by his evaluations and I think we can all agree the defense needs all it can get. At the end of the day if they had a higher grade on Dillard (or any other OL) I think they would have taken them, and you go with the higher graded player every time. You don't want to pass on Wilfork and force a pick at another position.
The paperwork is still being held up at the league office.
This. I don't think some here know that ol around the league are not very good. It's just that our ol has been bad and the eagles and cowboys have had strong lines for years now.
But Gettleman stuck by his evaluations and I think we can all agree the defense needs all it can get. At the end of the day if they had a higher grade on Dillard (or any other OL) I think they would have taken them, and you go with the higher graded player every time. You don't want to pass on Wilfork and force a pick at another position.
Well said Eric. It was definitely a tough decision but it's way too difficult to pass up a DT compared to Haloti Ngata and Vince Wilfork with the 17th pick. The DL desperately needed another starting caliber player. DL was a bigger need than RT.
Remmers is an upgrade, and they're not easy to find, especially at a relative bargain.
But without the assistance of hindsight they selected Lawrence because they feel there's a bigger difference in his talents then the next best option. They obviously didn't feel that way about any of the OL relative to Remmers. They're professionals so I'm not going to call that a mistake based on PFF or any other amateur opinion, especially when our OC + HC have both coached Remmers before and to some degree have their jobs on the line with every decision they make. They addressed needs and made their evals, now things will either work out or they won't like Omahmeh last year. It could go either way.
I'm satisfied that unlike the previous GM they've tried to address obvious needs and create competition, which is almost always better than doing nothing and hoping things just work out.
Not ironically, it appears picking for need (imo) is where they blew it badly.
Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.
I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.
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Do you guys really expect 5 all pros on the line? You crack me up.
Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.
I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.
Please. You pom pom wavers want to get hard ons over a bum tackle who has been let go by multiple teams with a bad back and a concussion history. That's your privilege, but a lot of us have heard the happy talk before - and there is more than one house organ pumper for the front office on this site - and have stopped listening to it. That is their privilege. Seeing is believing.
That's a very misleading description of Mike Remmers. I guess being purposely deceptive is your privilege.
This is one play, but I honestly have no idea what he was doing here. Here - ( New Window )
Yup he'll fit right in the giants way
I read all about it on BBI.
LOL. This place really sucks sometimes.
But, but, but......he's never been 1st team All-Pro!!
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.
It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.
The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”
Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.
On paper at least, this OL has the chance to be at least as good as the 2007 OL (Diehl - Seubert - O'Hara - Snee - McKenzie):
Soldier > Diehl
Hernandez > Seubert (potential for WH to be much better and I'm a huge fan of #69)
Halapio << O'Hara
Zeitler > Snee (Snee was awesome, but I don't think people realize how good Zeitler's been)
Remmers << McKenzie
The big advantages for the '07 OL were obviously C and RT, but if Halapio can be serviceable and Hernandez takes a big step forward, they could compensate for Remmers (who's a massive upgrade over Wheeler). Of course, the big thing with that '07 line is that they functioned as one cohesive unit and everyone always knew what the guy next to him was doing. We'll see how quickly the chemistry between this unit develops.
If he plays all 16 games and performs, he is well worth the $4MM. If he doesn't, a 1 year $2.5MM contract is of very little consequence.
Thus, I consider this to be a great signing. Nice potential upside, nearly no downside.
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In comment 14440182 Klaatu said:
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You know I was pissed when the Giants didn't draft a top-tier OL this year. And while this move certainly doesn't make up for that long-term, it's definitely a short-term step in the right direction, a step the Giants really needed to take if they hope to have any success this year.
It was the best option available at this juncture but nothing to get excited about.
The reaction should be “let’s see what happens” not “omg this is the best OL in 8 years.”
Why not get excited, even a little bit? Arguably, this is the best O-Line the Giants have had in eight years, at least on paper. Isn't that worth a little bit of excitement? I'm not suggesting you start saving up to buy your Super Bowl tickets, but there's really no need to knock this move.
On paper at least, this OL has the chance to be at least as good as the 2007 OL (Diehl - Seubert - O'Hara - Snee - McKenzie):
Soldier > Diehl
Hernandez > Seubert (potential for WH to be much better and I'm a huge fan of #69)
Halapio << O'Hara
Zeitler > Snee (Snee was awesome, but I don't think people realize how good Zeitler's been)
Remmers << McKenzie
The big advantages for the '07 OL were obviously C and RT, but if Halapio can be serviceable and Hernandez takes a big step forward, they could compensate for Remmers (who's a massive upgrade over Wheeler). Of course, the big thing with that '07 line is that they functioned as one cohesive unit and everyone always knew what the guy next to him was doing. We'll see how quickly the chemistry between this unit develops.
Post 2008 I would agree as guys started to age get injured etc. But 2007-2008 that line had a ton of chemistry. Most had been together for a few years and were a well oiled machine. This OL will not be better for those reasons but could easily be better than any after that which should be plenty good enough for Eli and Barkley to thrive.
They have the talent to be at least an average OL now. The big question to me is how quickly can they come together? If they're blowing stunts, then it doesn't matter if they're dominating individual matchups.
They have the talent to be at least an average OL now. The big question to me is how quickly can they come together? If they're blowing stunts, then it doesn't matter if they're dominating individual matchups.
Exactly but the hope is there is a good mix of veterans in this group. Dont see the machine that the 2007-8 line was but one that will operate pretty efficiently in its own right.