Mike Remmers agrees in principle:Brett Tessler on Twitter

In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said:

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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season. Week 16 Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart Week 17 Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty

I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.

at both Carolina and Minny. But he's another guy to throw into the mix at our weakest offensive position.

In comment 14439996 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season. Week 16 Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart Week 17 Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.

Depends on your definition of great. OL play across the NFL is pretty damn bad. Imo, this puts us in the top third of OL in the league.

Signed in mid-May.

Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.

In comment 14440000 Mr. Bungle said:

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Signed in mid-May. Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.

While he's been around the block, there is a reason why the Vikings gave him a $30 million contract.

At every position. He is a solid starter and putting him with Zigler and Rett Ellison gives us 3 solid vets on the right side.

Dream Team.

In comment 14439996 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season. Week 16 Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart Week 17 Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL.

You don't know what?

Solder > Flowers/Wheeler
Hernandez > Jerry
Halapio > Jones
Zeitler > Halapio
Remmers > Hart/Bisnowaty

In comment 14440000 Mr. Bungle said:

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Signed in mid-May. Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.

That's a little deceptive. For context, he bounced around from PS to PS with five teams in his first three years in the league, until Gettleman signed him off of the Rams PS. He spent the next three years with Carolina, starting every game he played (mostly at RT, some at LT), then two years with Minnesota, where in 2017 he started 11 games at RT (missing five with a concussion and lower back injury). In 2018, he started all 16 games at RG.

a fairly big division here on Remmers.

I think Giants fans have become too accustomed to bad OL play.

Provided Remmers is healthy (he had back surgery BEFORE the Vikings waived/failed physical), he is a big upgrade at right tackle.

In fact, our offensive line - on paper - actually looks pretty damn good right now.

To use Wheeler as a TE in certain formations also.

this is what a right tackle should look like... Arghhhh!!!!

In comment 14439946 Phil in LA said:

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Wheeler was so far below average, they couldn't put in all those easy run plays the Vikes were running uder Shurmur. We just need him to be average, and, given the other guys now on the line, they could have some synergy.

This is good perspective.

Remmers is not one of those guys like Diehl that tou can plug multiple places on the OL and get better than average production. Some guys are strictly one position players. Luke Pettitgout for example stunk everywhere but when we put him at LT he played great until his back gave out.

Remmers seems to be strictly a RT. And if the back doesnt hamper him he still youngish and should continue to be an average to solid RT. Which is a big jump from anything we've had the past few years.

Solder- slightly above average to solid LT
Hernandez - 2nd year should be above average to excellent LG
Pulley/Halapio/O Hagan- this is the question mark, may best guy win out and hopefully be adequate. Anything more is a bonus.
Zietler- One of the better RGs in the game both in the pass and run game.
Remmers- average to solid RT.

Depth:

Wheeler- continuing to work hard and has AA. Hopefully a passable swing OT for us if we need him.
Paul Adams- highly ranked UDFA.
O Hagan- one of top NCAA rated OCs per PFF.
George- has tools and AA you hope develops quickly.

This OL is light years ahead of last years starting unit which was settling in combined with some cast offs and injuries.

I'm very please with what DG has done in turning over the OLine. Now, let's see how this works out. The running game with Barkley is going to be a real problem for opposing defenses. "RUN THE BALL, STOP THE RUN, AND RUSH THE QWATABAK"

In comment 14440000 Mr. Bungle said:

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Signed in mid-May. Better than Wheeler, but I'm not exactly expecting greatness.

Dont need greatness we have pretty good players at other spots on the OL we just need steady.

In comment 14439999 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14439996 Nomad Crow on the Madison said: Quote: In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season. Week 16 Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart Week 17 Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty I don't know. We are still a LONG way from having a great OL. Depends on your definition of great. OL play across the NFL is pretty damn bad. Imo, this puts us in the top third of OL in the league.

If Remmers is just solid this OL could easily be top 1/3. Who would have thunk it?

In comment 14439954 Big Rick in FL said:

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These were our starting OLineman for the last two weeks of the 2017 season. Week 16 Flowers-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Hart Week 17 Wheeler-Jerry-B.Jones-Halapio-Bisnowaty

And people wonder why Eli looked so bad.

Eli and Saquon have to be thrilled.

In comment 14439946 Phil in LA said:

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Wheeler was so far below average, they couldn't put in all those easy run plays the Vikes were running uder Shurmur. We just need him to be average, and, given the other guys now on the line, they could have some synergy.

Wheeler is phsically under developed for a guy with his frame. However he is technically fairly sound. He just gets over powered a lot.

I wouldn't completely give up on Wheeler. He has to be ahead of Big George. However, what might make more sense is Big George is the develomental guy and Wheeler the swing. That feels like an upgrade to two positions.

What type did he have? Somebody posted above that he played hurt every week. And he played out of position. Assuming it was the same injury and assuming the condition is fixed, he might be better than ok. And I’d be happy with an ok OL With Saquon running the ball. He doesn’t need a great OL to be very good. Look what he did last year with drek

He graded above average

Here’s some perspective on what “below average” tackle play looks like

https://mobile.twitter.com/evilandydalton/status/1105207168557613057

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/985950763217190912

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In comment 14440035 Eric from BBI said:

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Eli and Saquon have to be thrilled.

I imagine Eli’s enthusiasm is a bit muted ... but they both should be

He’s a big upgrade, as “average” RT play is going to look elite compared to the garbage that’s been trotted out recently

This is the best offensive line the Giants have had since 2011. It's not even close.

In comment 14440046 Eric from BBI said:

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This is the best offensive line the Giants have had since 2011. It's not even close.

This

and they might have the best Guard tandem in the NFL

In comment 14440037 Samiam said:

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What type did he have? Somebody posted above that he played hurt every week. And he played out of position. Assuming it was the same injury and assuming the condition is fixed, he might be better than ok. And I’d be happy with an ok OL With Saquon running the ball. He doesn’t need a great OL to be very good. Look what he did last year with drek

He had back surgery. Then the Vikings waived/failed physical him. The Giants were not going to sign him until he passed the physical.

In comment 14440017 JoeFootball said:

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To use Wheeler as a TE in certain formations also.

Wheeler as a blocking TE would be quite interesting ...

the Vikings had the 7th best rushing offense in football with Remmers starting every game at RT.

In 2018, the Vikings were 30th in rushing offense. This was an offensive line that had an injured Remmers moved to RG and a line that included former Giants Brett Jones and Adam Bisnowaty.

Remmers has just been added to a much better starting 5, and Kevin Zeitler is without question the best guard that Remmers has ever played next to.

but still had to wait for the confirmation. Last year the left side of the line was upgraded and now this year the right side of the line is upgraded. Let’s all hope Pio turns out to be solid, because that just means they can focus on getting quality tackles in next year’s draft to groom and replace Solder/Remmers down the road. If Pio isn’t working out, then center will be the main focus next offseason.

This has been a great off-season, hoping the new talent works out.

In comment 14440046 Eric from BBI said:

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This is the best offensive line the Giants have had since 2011. It's not even close.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry about that. Seven freaking years of futility. Seven wasted years.

In comment 14440046 Eric from BBI said:

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This is the best offensive line the Giants have had since 2011. It's not even close.

Imo, it could be better than 2011. 2011 wasn't a great OL by any means but it just shows how far it fell off and how long ago it was. Eli carried us in 2011. We couldn't really run for shit that year. We had some good games here and there (1st round of the playoffs, I believe) but that 2011 OL was straight trash compared to that 2007-2008 OL.

When they had Barry Sanders. They never gave him an adequate line. He made what he had look so much better. We may see something we have never seen before if we keep building this oline for Barkley. He could have 3,000 total yards from scrimmage in a season. Call me crazy but I think he at least breaks 2,500 with his running and catching.

that it's a two year deal. I imagine they'll take a tackle in the mid rounds next year and that person will take over in 2021.

This line got three improvements in the offseason, once you account for Halapio missing almost all of last year.

I expect the offense to take a step forward despite losing Odell.

DG sees the delta between players and jumps to fix the biggest gaps. He knows the bottom of the roster comes first and you work your way up, the reverse of his predecessor.

In comment 14440046 Eric from BBI said:

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This is the best offensive line the Giants have had since 2011. It's not even close.

Our line was even kind of terrible in 2011, running on fumes, and digging deep for one last push in the playoffs.

A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective.

The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.

In comment 14440072 WillVAB said:

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A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective. The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez.

I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.

It’s nice to have something to feel excited about in terms of the O-line.

I don't think he's anything special, but compared to Wheeler he's prime Kareem McKenzie. The offense may be fun to watch for the first time in nearly a decade

Regardless, it may be one play, but THIS is just an awful whiff by Remmers
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if there was a promising tackle drafted round 1-4 on the roster. Hope his back holds up.

article for all the Halapio haters out there.

This 2 sentences especially:

Through the first six quarters of the 2018 season, Halapio was arguably the Giants' most consistent and top-performing offensive lineman.

Halapio earned the best grade among all Giants offensive lineman in Week 1, according to Pro Football Focus, and he was off to a strong start again against the Cowboys despite not receiving any help from his fellow Giants offensive linemen.
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To Remmers/Zeitler.

The #Giants and newly signed RT Mike Remmers agreed to terms on a 1-year deal worth $2.5M, source said. He gets $1M fully guaranteed and another $1.5M available that can bring it to a max of $4M with play-time incentives. A nice deal this late in the offseason.

6 quarters is hard to judge anyone. If we take Fitzpatrick's first 6 quarters last year he was on pace for 75 tds

is on fire today with the Remmers updates.

Thanks # 88 !!!

In comment 14440090 YANKEE28 said:

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article for all the Halapio haters out there. This 2 sentences especially: Through the first six quarters of the 2018 season, Halapio was arguably the Giants' most consistent and top-performing offensive lineman. Halapio earned the best grade among all Giants offensive lineman in Week 1, according to Pro Football Focus, and he was off to a strong start again against the Cowboys despite not receiving any help from his fellow Giants offensive linemen. Link - ( New Window )

Well DG has a great eye for the Mollies. That is an encouraging reminder about Pios potential. I mean gasp imagine if we actually have 5 functioning OL who are all solid or better? Honestly, I think that would have a bigger impact than still having OBJ but a below average unit.

Do you guys really expect 5 all pros on the line? You crack me up.

Nevertheless, we also have picked up a few guys who maybe in a year or two will also be able to compete for a starting role. Big George really excites me as a RT to compete with Remmers and PAdams could develop into a decent guard. We even picked up one of the top centers in college in O’Hagen from Buffalo.

I’m very excited about where our line is today compared to a year ago. Light years ahead with promising players possibly pushing the starters in a while.

In comment 14440076 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14440072 WillVAB said: Quote: A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective. The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez. I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move.

You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments.

We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.

In comment 14440123 WillVAB said:

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In comment 14440076 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 14440072 WillVAB said: Quote: A Shawn Andrews signing best case scenario. Anyone who thinks Remmers is going to come in and solidify the OL long term isn’t being objective. The Giants still need quality youth across the OL. Solder and Zeitler aren’t exactly young and the rest are pretty weak outside of Hernandez. I haven't seen 1 person think this is a long term move. You’re being disingenuous if you’re suggesting plenty of people here don’t think this “sets” the OL. Open your eyes and read the comments. We’ll be lucky if he starts 16 games this year.

It does solidify and set the OL. That means it does next year too?