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NFT: Game of Thrones season 8 episode 5

eli4life : 5/12/2019 10:21 am
First of all happy Mother’s Day to all the mothers and hell even the mother f@& $?3?s on here.

Not making the same mistake like last week this will be the only place I’ll be online untill after it airs. Well maybe some golf clash. I’m sure leaks will be out there as the episode draws closer.

Battle of Mother’s Day the mother of dragons vs “pregnant “ Cersei. Don’t think more than half the episode will be battle but could be epic. I think the death toll will be high this episode since most everyone somehow survived the BoW. Maybe a little foreshadowing but the episode Tywin died was on Father’s Day could his daughter have the same fate tonight?
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RE: Hey PaulBlakeTCU  
santacruzom : 5/17/2019 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14446465 5BowlsSoon said:
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I quit reading your Reddit list when I read this....

• 604 – Daenerys murders the leaders of the Dothraki for the sole purpose of consolidating power.

LOL,.....SOLE PURPOSE!

if you believe this, I guess you will find anything to support what your want to believe too.


Yeah, I'd say that list has some pretty damn willful misinterpretations.
This is the butterfly effect that GRRM warned about in motion  
moespree : 5/18/2019 12:28 am : link
I won't go too far into the books since I don't think many want to discuss that. All I'll say is I suspect Dany will do this in the books too. However, the trigger will be a character that they omitted in the show and largely substituted Cersei for in seasons 7 and 8. I suspect the people of King's Landing will choose him over her and seek his protection from her. She will know, though the people won't, that he is a fake and a fraud and this will confuse and hurt her. She'll think to herself she's only here to help and they're afraid of me and don't want me. And so begins her slow descent into paranoia, sadness, anger, etc opening the door for this event.

See the problem though is the motivations are entirely different. The motivation is rejection by the common people due to who your father is for someone else whom they choose because of who they think his father is. They can't do that in the show because none of this is even remotely the same with Cersei.

This is the butterfly effect of making drastic changes that GRRM warned about. It's why Dany's actions in 805 seem somewhat off and out of place to people. Because the way GRRM outlined it to them, they just could never pull off due to earlier creative decisions they made.
RE: This is the butterfly effect that GRRM warned about in motion  
santacruzom : 5/18/2019 3:34 am : link
Interesting moe.

One aspect of Dany-going-utterly-murderous that has bothered me is how the show presents "motivation" that doesn't stand up to scrutiny (much like how it presented objections to the sensible way to address Varys' concerns that also didn't stand up to scrutiny). For instance, we're to accept that Dany observed how Jon was regarded by his people, lamented that she wasn't regarded in the same way, and must therefore choose fear. Of course Jon would be regarded that way by his people after all he'd done for them, after he'd united so many of them, defeated Ramsay, after the atrocities and indignities faced by the Starks, etc. And somehow Dany is supposed to turn mass-homicidal towards surrendering innocents at first opportunity because it dawned on her that she didn't engender that following upon arrival?
She was more irritated that she was  
eclipz928 : 5/18/2019 6:32 am : link
receiving barely any adulation after bringing her army there to fight a war that she never intended to be a part of - a war that cost her most trusted advisor. Jon and everyone else in Winterfell would have been dead without her.
Ehh, no one wanted to be part of that war  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2019 6:55 am : link
and there would be nothing left for her to rule if she didn’t help.
RE: This is the butterfly effect that GRRM warned about in motion  
Cam in MO : 5/18/2019 8:29 am : link
In comment 14447966 moespree said:
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I won't go too far into the books since I don't think many want to discuss that. All I'll say is I suspect Dany will do this in the books too. However, the trigger will be a character that they omitted in the show and largely substituted Cersei for in seasons 7 and 8. I suspect the people of King's Landing will choose him over her and seek his protection from her. She will know, though the people won't, that he is a fake and a fraud and this will confuse and hurt her. She'll think to herself she's only here to help and they're afraid of me and don't want me. And so begins her slow descent into paranoia, sadness, anger, etc opening the door for this event.

See the problem though is the motivations are entirely different. The motivation is rejection by the common people due to who your father is for someone else whom they choose because of who they think his father is. They can't do that in the show because none of this is even remotely the same with Cersei.

This is the butterfly effect of making drastic changes that GRRM warned about. It's why Dany's actions in 805 seem somewhat off and out of place to people. Because the way GRRM outlined it to them, they just could never pull off due to earlier creative decisions they made.


Eh- that character was excluded early on and I believe that plot line is a dead end...if he played such a major role I can’t see them excluding him so early.
Also....  
Cam in MO : 5/18/2019 8:55 am : link
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GoT writers disappointed with decline in fan quality - ( New Window )
RE: Also....  
UConn4523 : 5/18/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14448068 Cam in MO said:
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.. GoT writers disappointed with decline in fan quality - ( New Window )


What’s funny is I can see this almost being true.
which omitted character are you guys referencing?  
Eric on Li : 5/18/2019 10:20 am : link
YG? or 1 of the many disastrous adaptations of the plot from dorne?
I figured YG, but I always figured him to be a red herring.  
Cam in MO : 5/18/2019 11:43 am : link
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RE: I figured YG, but I always figured him to be a red herring.  
Eric on Li : 5/18/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14448172 Cam in MO said:
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idk I thought YG seemed better positioned to have the support of westeros ahead of Dany - but they basically just merged that aspect into Jon. though even in the books I suppose the fact that Dany + Jon were in it from the beginning likely puts them ahead of YG in the importance to how the story ends.
RE: I figured YG, but I always figured him to be a red herring.  
moespree : 5/18/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14448172 Cam in MO said:
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Yes I was referring to him. I also think they gave Dany a Jon Connington plot of all things. It makes perfect sense to me that Connington would be triggered by bells given his presence in the Battle of the Bells in Robert's Rebellion. I have no idea why they would do this in the show though and that's why it seems so ridiculous that Dany suddenly snaps when she hears bells. It makes no sense for her at all, but makes perfect sense for Connington to snap. Especially considering Connington admires what Tywin did in sacking King's Landing and thinks that's the way to go moving forward. If correct, giving her that Connington plot is beyond ridiculous and was just asking for people to be confused.

Cersei getting the Golden Company in the show and the outright destruction of them in 805 was what made me think there's no doubt this is a substitute for YG vs Dany in the books. She'll kill him and destroy the Golden Company and if I had to guess will lose control over her impulses and go to far when attacking leading to something similar to what happened in 805.
RE: RE: I figured YG, but I always figured him to be a red herring.  
Eric on Li : 5/18/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14448211 moespree said:
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Cersei getting the Golden Company in the show and the outright destruction of them in 805 was what made me think there's no doubt this is a substitute for YG vs Dany in the books. She'll kill him and destroy the Golden Company and if I had to guess will lose control over her impulses and go to far when attacking leading to something similar to what happened in 805.


That makes sense - and also makes much more sense if YG is the 3rd betrayal whom the people rally around instead of her.
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