First of all happy Mother’s Day to all the mothers and hell even the mother f@& $?3?s on here.
Not making the same mistake like last week this will be the only place I’ll be online untill after it airs. Well maybe some golf clash. I’m sure leaks will be out there as the episode draws closer.
Battle of Mother’s Day the mother of dragons vs “pregnant “ Cersei. Don’t think more than half the episode will be battle but could be epic. I think the death toll will be high this episode since most everyone somehow survived the BoW. Maybe a little foreshadowing but the episode Tywin died was on Father’s Day could his daughter have the same fate tonight?
Thought it was when I heard of it originally but looks pretty different. No glowing naked blue guy thankfully.
Speaking of upcoming, when's Deadwood start? In the middle of season 2 now
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The Watchmen series coming this fall? Is that based on the comic book/movie?
I did. Looked like it had real promise. At first I thought they were going with some new show similar to the purge.
Totally new story. I think I read it’s a continuation of what happens
After the graphic novel ends
Nah. If you go back and look at all of the other seasons, she's a pretty dark character with a sadistic streak. I would have had her assistant die a more horrible death and/or Jorah also die at the hands of Cersi to push her completely over the top.
But all leaders are isolated and alone. And when her inner circle started to die off or betray her, she was even more alone. Then she sees the people of her home country LOVE John. It's too much.
My wife said, "there is no way she is going to torch the city" after they rang the bell. I said, "Yes, she is. She's been pushed over the edge."
The bloodline has always been susceptible to madness allegedly due to inbreeding and Dany's mother and father were sister and brother.
Jon does not have that issue.
Correct. GRRM admitted as much. He said the reason why the Targaryen clan tends to go mad is because of the inbreeding, but yet, they're elitists and the only suitable mates are fellow Targaryens.
However, I give them immense credit for the non-Hollywood type finish. Their ending was much more realistic.
She can add Queen of Ashes to her long list of titles.
Yeah, she didn’t really need the Dothraki, the Unsullied, anyone......all she needed was her dragon. This was a one woman wrecking crew.
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Just dumb as can be. Turned Dany into the worst character of all time. Not just mad..but over the top evil. Writing in crayon now.
Nah. If you go back and look at all of the other seasons, she's a pretty dark character with a sadistic streak. I would have had her assistant die a more horrible death and/or Jorah also die at the hands of Cersi to push her completely over the top.
But all leaders are isolated and alone. And when her inner circle started to die off or betray her, she was even more alone. Then she sees the people of her home country LOVE John. It's too much.
My wife said, "there is no way she is going to torch the city" after they rang the bell. I said, "Yes, she is. She's been pushed over the edge."
I thought the bell ringing scene was awesome. All of the USA was probably sitting silently, waiting to see what she would do. It could have gone either way.
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The Watchmen series coming this fall? Is that based on the comic book/movie?
I did. Looked like it had real promise. At first I thought they were going with some new show similar to the purge.
Totally new story. I think I read it’s a continuation of what happens
After the graphic novel ends
So no Rorschacht? Awesome. Now I don't have to be distracted by what I see on his face.
I dont even think I counted more than 10 on screen at the same time. That first push there were like 7 Dothraki on horses and then the soldiers were running up right behind them. There definitely wasn't a lot of them.
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Take her dragon over to where Cersei was hanging out and torch that one building? Why kill all the citizens of KL?
This will be her undoing. Now we get to see Jon Snow reign over the 7 kingdoms. If only Dany showed some restraint and power under control. I guess that scene of losing her dragon and Missandei was still strong in her mind.
I think its going to be jarring for some people who might have been rooting for Dany since Season 1 but really all the signs have been there the whole time. The very first season starts off talking about the Mad King and we've watched her transition into a power hungry ruler for quite a few seasons now. Also knowing the people in Westeros didn't love her, her hand had failed her, Varys betrayed her, Jaime betrayed her, and above all Jon betrayed her on top of losing a dragon (child) and best friend. It's actually pretty believable to me that she would torch it all down.
Well said. If you think about it, everything’s been building to her going scorched Earth. Plus, the Unsullied and Dothraki were never going to realistically serve a political end forever - they were built up to be an emotionless army of killers plus a cavalry built on a lifestyle of raping and pillaging. It would have been unrealistic for them to stand by and just live in peace all the way through to the end.
I thought they did a great job with Clegane Bowl - only way that could end, but they made it epic. And call me a sap but I loved the Hound convincing Arya to let go of her lust for revenge.
I agree with the crowd that the Euron-Jaime fight was kinda silly. I’m fine with how Jaime and Cersei died, but wish it was by dragon fire.
Wow tough to hear that. I’m not as down on these episodes are you but think nearly all the issues could have been resolved by just having full seasons.
That's another thing that bothered me. Where the fuck did the Dothraki come from? They were completely wiped out. And so were the Unsullied, for that matter, but especially the Dothraki.
I replied, "No, she's not. She's going to torch them all."
What I liked too is they provided the on-the-ground perspective of the humanity suffering from the decisions of those above. The one girl and her mother were almost like the girl in the red coat from Schlinder's List.
We've been over this a million times and Ive posted the words straight from their lips. There was always supposed to be 7 seasons for 7 books. Instead of one long 7 season they split it in half, the same thing Breaking Bad, Mad Men, and countless other big shows have done. We actually got three additional episodes.
I think her jumping off the tower ala her son, or Drogon completely eviscerating the tower with her in it are more realistic, but I didn't mind the end at all. It was a nice touch like you said.
However, I give them immense credit for the non-Hollywood type finish. Their ending was much more realistic.
I’m one of those who wanted someone to take her out.....rocks falling just doesn’t have that sex appeal. I was hoping either Dany or Arya could have finished the task but I’m now convinced the writers don’t want Dany’s Star to shine too brightly.
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Just dumb as can be. Turned Dany into the worst character of all time. Not just mad..but over the top evil. Writing in crayon now.
Nah. If you go back and look at all of the other seasons, she's a pretty dark character with a sadistic streak. I would have had her assistant die a more horrible death and/or Jorah also die at the hands of Cersi to push her completely over the top.
But all leaders are isolated and alone. And when her inner circle started to die off or betray her, she was even more alone. Then she sees the people of her home country LOVE John. It's too much.
My wife said, "there is no way she is going to torch the city" after they rang the bell. I said, "Yes, she is. She's been pushed over the edge."
Mad is one thing. Torching everything and everyone was dumb. Last week a dragon gets bullseyed three straight shots and today nothing. Just dumb
But this battle was fantastic, from the very start of her coming out of the sun to attack the fleet.
Dany will have Drogon, the Unsullied, and about 12 Dothraki.
But in this espide, Dani's blood was up. In battle, once your blood is up, there often is no logic. It's the reason why human history is filled with such horror. I found it completely believable.
But this battle was fantastic, from the very start of her coming out of the sun to attack the fleet.
If you go back and watch Episode 3 again, you do see horses and some Dothraki running back with Jorah, etc and that's just one small shot. Presumably if there's a couple running back in one shot, similar fleed along the battle lines as well. They also mentioned the "remaining Dothraki" in the last episode and beginning of this one. I didn't get the impression there were a lot of them.
Too much Arya I see.......that is a fair point though.
Dany, though not facing defeat per se, going scorched Earth is completely in line with what one would expect from a Targaryen monarch.
But this battle was fantastic, from the very start of her coming out of the sun to attack the fleet.
They did slip in the comment that half the Unsullied were left in the last episode, and then seemed to show half the Dothraki being taken off their big giant Risk board too. They implied there were still a good number of them, but they’ve mostly skipped over covering any realistic tactical military explanations, why start now I guess.
Regardless, the point was once the gates of the city were blown open, it didn’t take that many combined forces to storm the city.
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for these last 2 shorten ones, and people wonder why it feels so rushed/nothing pays off. Absolutely pathetic.
We've been over this a million times and Ive posted the words straight from their lips. There was always supposed to be 7 seasons for 7 books. Instead of one long 7 season they split it in half, the same thing Breaking Bad, Mad Men, and countless other big shows have done. We actually got three additional episodes.
Well it isn't that certain, you abject apologist. Read the link. But let's say it is - they still have FUCKED this thing up beyond belief. They had YEARS to come up with a better resolution that bothered to include any of the plot from the first 5 seasons..
Link - ( New Window )
I had an issue with that too, but when the rest of the episode redeems all of that I'm more willing to overlook it imo.
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I dont even think I counted more than 10 on screen at the same time. That first push there were like 7 Dothraki on horses and then the soldiers were running up right behind them. There definitely wasn't a lot of them.
Sandor references being killed by the Dothraki in the episode. There were plenty of them. There shouldn’t have been a single one left after episode 3. But I guess they respawned.
I think when people look back on the final season, they will point to some highlights (episode #2, #5, and hopefully #6) with some silly mistakes made that could have gotten us from point A to point B with far more realistic scenarios. I'm just glad that tonight didn't suck. I enjoyed. I found it realistic. I actually paused it (which my wife HATES) when Dani looked so gaunt in the beginning and was addressing Tyrion. She FELT completely ALONE. I said, "This is the best part of the season so far." Put yourself in her shoes. It's all falling apart.
How convenient.
I felt the inconsistent thing was Rhaegar not being able to take out the harpoon/spear ship from the distance where they were able to shoot him down.
I don't think the destruction today was inconsistent, the lack of destruction two weeks ago was inconsistent IMO.
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for these last 2 shorten ones, and people wonder why it feels so rushed/nothing pays off. Absolutely pathetic.
We've been over this a million times and Ive posted the words straight from their lips. There was always supposed to be 7 seasons for 7 books. Instead of one long 7 season they split it in half, the same thing Breaking Bad, Mad Men, and countless other big shows have done. We actually got three additional episodes.
Well it isn't that certain, you abject apologist. Read the link. But let's say it is - they still have FUCKED this thing up beyond belief. They had YEARS to come up with a better resolution that bothered to include any of the plot from the first 5 seasons.. Link - ( New Window )
Im not going to go looking for it again. B and B did an interview around Season 4-5 and flat out said the original plan all along was to do seven seasons. Yes they changed it and split the 13 later. No matter how many episodes they did though, it was still going to feel rushed with this many characters and this many storylines.
Yes, but episode #3 made it feel like hardly anyone was left.
I felt the inconsistent thing was Rhaegar not being able to take out the harpoon/spear ship from the distance where they were able to shoot him down.
I don't think the destruction today was inconsistent, the lack of destruction two weeks ago was inconsistent IMO.
Tonight was like the destruction the dragons did in Season 7
I mean they already put in the effort on screen to show how all the people were being brought into the keep. Destroying it with everyone inside just to kill Cercei would have been perfect.
It made zero sense why she wanted to starting torching peasants starting from the outer walls.
the mid-westeros......?