NFT: Game of Thrones season 8 episode 5

In comment 14441182 Eric from BBI said:

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Regarding the retreating Dothraki, I know. But it just seemed to be a few here and there. I think the writers decided the visuals of the Dorthraki torches being extinguished out-weighed the story. (And it was damn cool). Lost in all of that too, as I pointed out a couple of weeks ago, was that Jorah must have been one of the first to turn tail and run (unlikely). I think when people look back on the final season, they will point to some highlights (episode #2, #5, and hopefully #6) with some silly mistakes made that could have gotten us from point A to point B with far more realistic scenarios. I'm just glad that tonight didn't suck. I enjoyed. I found it realistic. I actually paused it (which my wife HATES) when Dani looked so gaunt in the beginning and was addressing Tyrion. She FELT completely ALONE. I said, "This is the best part of the season so far." Put yourself in her shoes. It's all falling apart.

Completely agree. And I too kinda expected this season to be a little disjointed and rough with them having to wrap so much. I said it last week, I just wanted one really solid payoff episode... Similar to how season 6 wrapped up with two of the best episodes in the series IMO (episodes 9 and 10). I think we are going to see something similar this year with 5 and 6.

In comment 14441188 widmerseyebrow said:

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She could have made a beeline for Cercei, but decided to avenge Missandei by lighting every peasant on fire first? Would have looked better if she was shown burning through innocents in an effort to get revenge, searching for Cercei, etc. Would have been just as savage and wrong. I mean they already put in the effort on screen to show how all the people were being brought into the keep. Destroying it with everyone inside just to kill Cercei would have been perfect. It made zero sense why she wanted to starting torching peasants starting from the outer walls.

She's got the blood of her father running through her veins. Combine that with her isolation and she's out for blood.

Her earlier rhetoric about breaking the wheel and stopping the bloodshed was just that... rhetoric.

In comment 14441167 Eric from BBI said:

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No argument on the previous dragon dying. One of the major reasons why last week sucked. They could have killed the second dragon in far more realistic ways. But in this espide, Dani's blood was up. In battle, once your blood is up, there often is no logic. It's the reason why human history is filled with such horror. I found it completely believable.

She was caught off guard last week, and the dragon that was hit didn’t have a rider. She expected the projectiles this week and avoided them.

The dragon being hit by a frozen javelin thrown by the NK - that was weak.

And my other "strategic" complaint with this season is it feels "rushed". Tonight felt a bit rushed too. But it had to be all in one episode.

Its like people making excuses when your favorite player gets benched or cut because he sucks. Its always not fair, he wasn't used correctly, or he didn't get a chance. People saying Dany got screwed and she's not that bad.

In comment 14441188 widmerseyebrow said:

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She could have made a beeline for Cercei, but decided to avenge Missandei by lighting every peasant on fire first? Would have looked better if she was shown burning through innocents in an effort to get revenge, searching for Cercei, etc. Would have been just as savage and wrong. I mean they already put in the effort on screen to show how all the people were being brought into the keep. Destroying it with everyone inside just to kill Cercei would have been perfect. It made zero sense why she wanted to starting torching peasants starting from the outer walls.

Did they every show Dany spotting Cersei?? I dont think she knew what tower she was in, she could have been anywhere, and I also think there was a small part of Dany that may have wanted to sit on the Iron Throne which is why she might have held off on parts of the castle until later.

In comment 14441179 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14441155 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14441147 UConn4523 said: Quote: ! I dont even think I counted more than 10 on screen at the same time. That first push there were like 7 Dothraki on horses and then the soldiers were running up right behind them. There definitely wasn't a lot of them. Sandor references being killed by the Dothraki in the episode. There were plenty of them. There shouldn’t have been a single one left after episode 3. But I guess they respawned.

Yeah that's still strange to me since you flat out see some of them running back to the pack in Episode 3 just like we saw with Jorah but any hoo.

but then again given that was their parents judgement, they were probably fucked anyway.

I hope we’ll see much more of her in the years to come. That scene with the horse was great.

In comment 14441197 PatersonPlank said:

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Its like people making excuses when your favorite player gets benched or cut because he sucks. Its always not fair, he wasn't used correctly, or he didn't get a chance. People saying Dany got screwed and she's not that bad.

I've been binge watching some of the Game of Thrones YouTube videos and put on some of the reaction videos today. My wife walked in, watched about 5 minutes of it, and said, "You have to turn that shit off." There are people out there who almost think this is real. Loyalty to a character from a book/TV show? Yikes.

Regardless, Dany's descent was predictable as it comes as soon as we learned about John. There wasn't going to be a Hollywood finish to this. And the easiest option was Danny would follow her father.

In comment 14441098 5BowlsSoon said:

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In comment 14441086 jgambrosio said: Quote: To kill danerys? I’m thinking this is very doable. Obviously she would have to kill someone close to D.

It would have to be Grey Worm, who they most likely have to kill anyways to get to her.

In comment 14441201 RobCarpenter said:

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I hope we’ll see much more of her in the years to come. That scene with the horse was great.

I think she has said she's moving on from acting.

In comment 14441201 RobCarpenter said:

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I hope we’ll see much more of her in the years to come. That scene with the horse was great.

I doubt it. She doesn't have the look of a lead actress and that's basically all you need in this day and age. Talent be damned.

if you're going to set sci-fi/fantasy bounds you have to live within them. Last week, two dragons were in mortal danger from the scorpions; they couldn't get anywhere near them without getting shot from the sky, even ones on ships rocking at sea. This week, one dragon wipes everything out: all ships with scorpions, all castle scorpions, no problem. WTF? They can't change the rules in the middle of the game.

Ring the bells = KL surrenders? Or not? Or just kill them all ringing bells or not? I don't get it. But anyway you slice it, Tyrion's number is up next week.

Also, not that big a deal, but when the dragon's flying around lighting KL on fire every once in while you'll see green fire, like the pyromancer fire, break out. No explanation, it just happens. Why? Also, dragon fire makes stone buildings spontaneous erupt or fall down. A bit much.

Lastly, apparently Jaime is the Black Knight in Spamalot. "Tis but a flesh wound."

Only the first 3, but the one thing different for me where they deviate is with Cersei. Cersei is just painted as a much bigger villain in the books. I've always empathized with Cersei on the show. She still had to go but I've always been able to see her side with a lot of her views. She loved her children and Jaime... I really liked how she went out. It fits.

In comment 14441117 RobCarpenter said:

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Is Tyrion. He’s turned into an annoying nag.

I think he's the one who ends up on the throne. Jon will refuse it after Dany is killed.

In comment 14441194 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 14441188 widmerseyebrow said: Quote: She could have made a beeline for Cercei, but decided to avenge Missandei by lighting every peasant on fire first? Would have looked better if she was shown burning through innocents in an effort to get revenge, searching for Cercei, etc. Would have been just as savage and wrong. I mean they already put in the effort on screen to show how all the people were being brought into the keep. Destroying it with everyone inside just to kill Cercei would have been perfect. It made zero sense why she wanted to starting torching peasants starting from the outer walls. She's got the blood of her father running through her veins. Combine that with her isolation and she's out for blood. Her earlier rhetoric about breaking the wheel and stopping the bloodshed was just that... rhetoric.

I mean, so does Jon.

I get it. I just don't think it was done all that well on screen. And I've felt Dany was a poor, emotional leader for a long time now. Like I said it would have been more believable if she was mowing through innocents and justifying it by going after Cercei. She made no attempt to even look for Cercei until the city was destroyed.

In comment 14441197 PatersonPlank said:

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Its like people making excuses when your favorite player gets benched or cut because he sucks. Its always not fair, he wasn't used correctly, or he didn't get a chance. People saying Dany got screwed and she's not that bad.

THAT I am enjoying immensely. She has been unlikable for a while now.

But remember what they said, when a Targaryen is born, you have to flip a coin to see how they turn out. Varis said John turned up the right way.

All I can say is I felt it coming, I didn't think Dany was going to stop.

In comment 14441206 NBGblue said:

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if you're going to set sci-fi/fantasy bounds you have to live within them. Last week, two dragons were in mortal danger from the scorpions; they couldn't get anywhere near them without getting shot from the sky, even ones on ships rocking at sea. This week, one dragon wipes everything out: all ships with scorpions, all castle scorpions, no problem. WTF? They can't change the rules in the middle of the game. Ring the bells = KL surrenders? Or not? Or just kill them all ringing bells or not? I don't get it. But anyway you slice it, Tyrion's number is up next week. Also, not that big a deal, but when the dragon's flying around lighting KL on fire every once in while you'll see green fire, like the pyromancer fire, break out. No explanation, it just happens. Why? Also, dragon fire makes stone buildings spontaneous erupt or fall down. A bit much. Lastly, apparently Jaime is the Black Knight in Spamalot. "Tis but a flesh wound."

I think the green is that chemical crap that lies underneath KL. The stuff that Cercei used to blow up the religous zealots in Season 5 (I think it was 5 right).

In comment 14441206 NBGblue said:

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Also, not that big a deal, but when the dragon's flying around lighting KL on fire every once in while you'll see green fire, like the pyromancer fire, break out. No explanation, it just happens. Why? Also, dragon fire makes stone buildings spontaneous erupt or fall down. A bit much.

It was reminiscent of when the courthouse exploded, killing Marg Tyrell and all those religious zealots.

In comment 14441207 ZGiants98 said:

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Only the first 3, but the one thing different for me where they deviate is with Cersei. Cersei is just painted as a much bigger villain in the books. I've always empathized with Cersei on the show. She still had to go but I've always been able to see her side with a lot of her views. She loved her children and Jaime... I really liked how she went out. It fits.

I liked how they went out because no one predicted that finish. Everyone thought someone was going to directly kill her. Instead, her kingdom literally fell down on her head.

Brienne should have screwed Tormund.

In comment 14441213 Anakim said:

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In comment 14441206 NBGblue said: Quote: Also, not that big a deal, but when the dragon's flying around lighting KL on fire every once in while you'll see green fire, like the pyromancer fire, break out. No explanation, it just happens. Why? Also, dragon fire makes stone buildings spontaneous erupt or fall down. A bit much. It was reminiscent of when the courthouse exploded, killing Marg Tyrell and all those religious zealots.

The wildfire was all over kings landing. Not just in the one spot you saw it during the trial. I think that was brought up in earlier seasons

In comment 14441207 ZGiants98 said:

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Only the first 3, but the one thing different for me where they deviate is with Cersei. Cersei is just painted as a much bigger villain in the books. I've always empathized with Cersei on the show. She still had to go but I've always been able to see her side with a lot of her views. She loved her children and Jaime... I really liked how she went out. It fits.

Really? Cersei is a total bitch on the show. I mean she's a huge villain. I never read the books, but I can't imagine the books painting her so much worse than how she's depicted on the show. Her only redeeming quality, like you said, is her immense love for her children. Besides that, the only two times we actually felt sorry for her was the Walk of Shame and tonight.

In comment 14441208 montanagiant said:

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In comment 14441117 RobCarpenter said: Quote: Is Tyrion. He’s turned into an annoying nag. I think he's the one who ends up on the throne. Jon will refuse it after Dany is killed.

I doubt it. After what he witnessed I think he has a change of heart about it.

It's not too late. One episode left, and Jaime is gone now...

In comment 14441206 NBGblue said:

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if you're going to set sci-fi/fantasy bounds you have to live within them. Last week, two dragons were in mortal danger from the scorpions; they couldn't get anywhere near them without getting shot from the sky, even ones on ships rocking at sea. This week, one dragon wipes everything out: all ships with scorpions, all castle scorpions, no problem. WTF? They can't change the rules in the middle of the game. Ring the bells = KL surrenders? Or not? Or just kill them all ringing bells or not? I don't get it. But anyway you slice it, Tyrion's number is up next week. Also, not that big a deal, but when the dragon's flying around lighting KL on fire every once in while you'll see green fire, like the pyromancer fire, break out. No explanation, it just happens. Why? Also, dragon fire makes stone buildings spontaneous erupt or fall down. A bit much. Lastly, apparently Jaime is the Black Knight in Spamalot. "Tis but a flesh wound."

They have said earlier on that Dragon Fire bombs are stored all over the city

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In comment 14441216 Anakim said:

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In comment 14441207 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Only the first 3, but the one thing different for me where they deviate is with Cersei. Cersei is just painted as a much bigger villain in the books. I've always empathized with Cersei on the show. She still had to go but I've always been able to see her side with a lot of her views. She loved her children and Jaime... I really liked how she went out. It fits. Really? Cersei is a total bitch on the show. I mean she's a huge villain. I never read the books, but I can't imagine the books painting her so much worse than how she's depicted on the show. Her only redeeming quality, like you said, is her immense love for her children. Besides that, the only two times we actually felt sorry for her was the Walk of Shame and tonight.

I get it. And I know a lot of people feel that way. I think her father never really took her seriously. She lost her mother when she was young... I also thought a lot of the time she was "being a bitch" on the show it was actually pretty funny. Like when in Season 2 during the Blackwater Battle she was getting drunk waiting to go. Like I said, she had to die, but I always kind of empathized with her. I completely accept being on that island alone. lol.

In comment 14441220 RobCarpenter said:

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Yeah, she really does suck as one

In comment 14441206 NBGblue said:

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if you're going to set sci-fi/fantasy bounds you have to live within them. Last week, two dragons were in mortal danger from the scorpions; they couldn't get anywhere near them without getting shot from the sky, even ones on ships rocking at sea. This week, one dragon wipes everything out: all ships with scorpions, all castle scorpions, no problem. WTF? They can't change the rules in the middle of the game. Ring the bells = KL surrenders? Or not? Or just kill them all ringing bells or not? I don't get it. But anyway you slice it, Tyrion's number is up next week. Also, not that big a deal, but when the dragon's flying around lighting KL on fire every once in while you'll see green fire, like the pyromancer fire, break out. No explanation, it just happens. Why? Also, dragon fire makes stone buildings spontaneous erupt or fall down. A bit much. Lastly, apparently Jaime is the Black Knight in Spamalot. "Tis but a flesh wound."

It’s pretty common knowledge at this point that wildfire is hidden beneath the city, Cersei found it and used it to blow up the Sept of Baelor.

of your opinion of the this episode, can we agree on one thing:

Dragons are cool.

was the Mountain betraying Cersei and Qyburn at the last moment to fight his brother. The fight was telegraphed for 8 seasons, but I didn’t see that coming.

In comment 14441183 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14441181 PatersonPlank said: Quote: and 1/2 of the UNsullied. They removed them from the game board. How convenient.

They only brought the blood riders to winterfell

In comment 14441225 mfsd said:

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was the Mountain betraying Cersei and Qyburn at the last moment to fight his brother. The fight was telegraphed for 8 seasons, but I didn’t see that coming.

Agreed.

Was awesome. Not sure what more people could have wanted from that. The Hound protecting Arya and telling her to leave.... Also, just like the Mountain betrayed Cersei and kills Qyburn, the Hound really betrays his side too. He could have ended Cersei but he lets her walk right by. The battle itself was very emotional too. When his right eye popped out and he couldn't see out of it anymore, man... powerful stuff there.

In comment 14441225 mfsd said:

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was the Mountain betraying Cersei and Qyburn at the last moment to fight his brother. The fight was telegraphed for 8 seasons, but I didn’t see that coming.

Yep.

I did think the mad queen thing played out too predictably. Like she just happened to make a last second decision to burn the entire city. As messed up as things got for her in this season, I find it wholly unrealistic that she would just snap and start killing innocent people, especially children.

Not only that, but all of a sudden, her army grew again?

I was sort rooting for some more unexpected deaths. If Arya died, or Jon Snow, that would have been a real jolt.

I did love everything with Jamie and Cersi. She was so stunned, that she couldn’t put one foot in front of the other.

Wasn’t the third oh shit moment that’s supposed to come at the very end. I have three thoughts

1 something with a faceless man (not Arya or jaqen)

2 bran being the evil mastermind behind it all

3 bran wakes up from when he fell and it was a dream

I could live with 1 or 2 but the third would really suck

I'll never stop hoping Arya gets to see Syrio Forel one more time before it's over.

has been my highlight of the night. Apparently this show's existence is sufficient to blind him to the utter mail in this final season's been.

In comment 14441238 Nitro said:

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has been my highlight of the night. Apparently this show's existence is sufficient to blind him to the utter mail in this final season's been.

Cool story brah.

In comment 14441109 sb2003 said:

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if they end the show with Dany arriving at guantanamo bay and she meets up with James Comey.

Lol. It's a fantasy show! Anything can happen!

'I loved the symbolism this episode.

Drogon and Daenerys represented Benioff and Weiss.

Kings Landing represented the fans.

The Hound represented George RR Martin.

The Mountain represented the last two books.'

In comment 14441117 RobCarpenter said:

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Is Tyrion. He’s turned into an annoying nag.

He's actually a completely different character now. He's a marginally intelligent, humorless, reactionary disciple.

He used to be razor sharp, hilarious, one step (at least) ahead of everyone else, and no respector of persons.

They basically killed him without killing him.

What a terrible Jaime character arc

In comment 14441247 Man In The Box said:

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What a terrible Jaime character arc

Yea, but the fan service Brienne bang out!

instead it's Dexter with Dragons or Lost with Swords.

Happy to see it, but like other things in this show, it's best not to think too much about it. The Hound's lifelong motivation was to kill his brother. Cool, but why now?

If it was all just personal revenge for getting burned, The Hound could have fought him to the death a long time ago. Nothing was stopping him when they worked for the Lannisters. Since the Hound left the Lannisters in Season 2 until now, no reason has been given for why he now thought it was important to square off against him.

Maybe that's his purpose in the end battle. Maybe just wishful thinking for Bran to be given some kind of satisfying end.