First of all happy Mother’s Day to all the mothers and hell even the mother f@& $?3?s on here.
Not making the same mistake like last week this will be the only place I’ll be online untill after it airs. Well maybe some golf clash. I’m sure leaks will be out there as the episode draws closer.
Battle of Mother’s Day the mother of dragons vs “pregnant “ Cersei. Don’t think more than half the episode will be battle but could be epic. I think the death toll will be high this episode since most everyone somehow survived the BoW. Maybe a little foreshadowing but the episode Tywin died was on Father’s Day could his daughter have the same fate tonight?
This was telegraphed for a while in the books and in the show. While it obviously feels rushed this season because literally like a week a ago she helped save the north, it does feel right, as tough as it was to watch.
That scene felt rushed. Maybe I missed something.
I didn't mind the major plot points of the episode. I thought this was the best of the season. But there was still some rushing. And the Euron scene was idiotic.
Jon is not fire proof as he burned his hand saving Lord Commander Mormont back in season 1. Daenerys we've seen full on touching and walking through fire.
This was telegraphed for a while in the books and in the show. While it obviously feels rushed this season because literally like a week a ago she helped save the north, it does feel right, as tough as it was to watch.
Honestly, I am not saying you are wrong, just asking the question. You think Martin wrote all these books to circle back to the reenact the event Jamie stopped when he killed the Mad King? Maybe he did, but that seems to me to be a waste of time. Not that DANY wouldn't turn out that way, but it seems like a lot drama for history to be just "delayed." I guess in some ways it is similar to the Godfather when Puzo has Michael profess to be something other than Vito but then becomes even worse than him. But, Michael's downfall was carefully plotted and did not seem rushed in what was a about 5 hours of screen time. They had about 80 hours to do this and it just feels hollow as a plot.
That scene felt rushed. Maybe I missed something.
I didn't mind the major plot points of the episode. I thought this was the best of the season. But there was still some rushing. And the Euron scene was idiotic.
When he saw Varys approach Jon he was forced to rat him out. Part of Tyrion knows that Varys is right but he was tried to convince himself that Dany is good deep inside. He still tried to save Cersei at the very end even after learning that she hired Bronn to kill him. I don't like how the turned Tyrion into a constant fuckup.
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Agree with above, I don't smell a happy ending here.
Jon is not fire proof as he burned his hand saving Lord Commander Mormont back in season 1. Daenerys we've seen full on touching and walking through fire.
Dany is full Targaryen while Jon is half Targaryen half Stark.
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actually feels like the plot point that is most true to what GRRM would have written. A happy ending with her and Jon ruling together was never realistic.
This was telegraphed for a while in the books and in the show. While it obviously feels rushed this season because literally like a week a ago she helped save the north, it does feel right, as tough as it was to watch.
Honestly, I am not saying you are wrong, just asking the question. You think Martin wrote all these books to circle back to the reenact the event Jamie stopped when he killed the Mad King? Maybe he did, but that seems to me to be a waste of time. Not that DANY wouldn't turn out that way, but it seems like a lot drama for history to be just "delayed." I guess in some ways it is similar to the Godfather when Puzo has Michael profess to be something other than Vito but then becomes even worse than him. But, Michael's downfall was carefully plotted and did not seem rushed in what was a about 5 hours of screen time. They had about 80 hours to do this and it just feels hollow as a plot.
Tough to say, maybe he would appreciate the symbolism of Dany sort of finishing the job that her father intended when he yelled "burn them all." Additionally, I think Dany destroying the city in a blind rage that represented her family's conquest 300 years earlier is pretty powerful.
It is very Michael Corleone-esque, even if it became a bit clunky along the way this season and last. We can say seasons 7 and 8 are the Godfather III of this series. Still decent, but nowhere near what came before lol.
Believe me, I totally understand the frustration with the rushing, but I don't think this just came out of nowhere. There were a lot of hints through both her words and actions along her journey that she was capable of this destruction, blinded by her ambition. I think if we could have had a full 10 episode season that culminated in this, it would feel more earned. But it was not completely unearned, and I'm generally ok with it.
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Why did Tyrion rat out Varys? Why didn't Dany kill Tyrion as well?
That scene felt rushed. Maybe I missed something.
I didn't mind the major plot points of the episode. I thought this was the best of the season. But there was still some rushing. And the Euron scene was idiotic.
When he saw Varys approach Jon he was forced to rat him out. Part of Tyrion knows that Varys is right but he was tried to convince himself that Dany is good deep inside. He still tried to save Cersei at the very end even after learning that she hired Bronn to kill him. I don't like how the turned Tyrion into a constant fuckup.
She may still kill Tyrion, especially after he let Jaime go. Again as I stated above, this could be where Bronn comes back in to save Tyrion's skin again. Then the Bronn getting Highgarden scene would make sense. With Tyrion and Jaime gone he'd get nothing
Good catch. One of my favorite things about this series is if you go back and re-watch it, how much was foreshadowed.
The tie-ins are great too... check out this tribute video.
Game of Thrones || Everything We've Been Through - ( New Window )
I think that symmetry makes sense.
Martin says the ending is bittersweet, so I think something like Jon dying while taking out Dany and someone like Sansa winding up on the throne now seems possible.
Though I still think the Gendry/Arya merger would have worked and led to a targaryen being replaced by a Baratheon (again). i predicted he would be made legitimate, I'm not sure that was done just for the obvious purpose at the time. If they had an Edric Storm character in the show it would be interesting.
Revanshe: “So she won’t be able to do it again?”
George R.R. Martin: “Probably not.”
The scene at Vaes Dothrak where she burns it down is not a book scene.
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"A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing"
Good catch. One of my favorite things about this series is if you go back and re-watch it, how much was foreshadowed.
The tie-ins are great too... check out this tribute video. Game of Thrones || Everything We've Been Through - ( New Window )
Nice video. Agreed, I think the fall of Dany is one of the plot points done right this season it was has obviously been a bit up and down.
That'll come into play next week in a big way, I'm sure.
She may still kill Tyrion, especially after he let Jaime go. Again as I stated above, this could be where Bronn comes back in to save Tyrion's skin again. Then the Bronn getting Highgarden scene would make sense. With Tyrion and Jaime gone he'd get nothing
I am fully expecting one of two things next week. Either she kills Tyrion for betraying her or she order his death but that is the final straw for Jon and he kills her to save Tyrion.
I thought the golden company was going to put a serious dent in her army but they were wiped out so easily. The moment when Harry Strickland was running away from the army showed just how formidable and terrifying the Dragons are. Here is the best army in the world and they are wiped out with ease.
All of those setbacks were central to the mad queen turn and many of them were among the most strategically illogical storylines the show has had (especially the expedition north of the wall to try to negotiate with Cersei and then even sillier trusting her). It was just a couple seasons ago that Dany was almost killed over trying to close the fighting pits. And now she's killed more innocents than Cersei and the mountain on their worst days? Because her side suffered a bunch of defeats that drove her to madness over the past couple seasons because she was...trying to avoid the slaughter of innocents.
I wish there could be a do-over on the last couple of seasons. So many of these episodes and storylines have missed the mark. The action is cool but this show was never about that, yet its the only real thing i've been able to enjoy about it at this point. Even last night there was about 5% fighting, 90% CGI.
I doubt he wargs into a dragon.
I think Jon "takes over" Drogon because of his Targaryen blood.
Maybe we get some answers in the prequel series, but I'd be shocked if they touched on it next week
I've given up on GRRM actually finishing these books. He put out the first three - with the third book being the best - within four years. Then he took five years for the next one, six years for the one after that - and nothing in the eight years since. He should just give someone like Brandon Sanderson the outline of the books and let him finish it.
Here are the books and years they were published:
A Game of Thrones (1996)
A Clash of Kings (1998)
A Storm of Swords (2000)
A Feast for Crows (2005)
A Dance with Dragons (2011)
I wish there could be a do-over on the last couple of seasons. So many of these episodes and storylines have missed the mark. The action is cool but this show was never about that, yet its the only real thing i've been able to enjoy about it at this point. Even last night there was about 5% fighting, 90% CGI.
Much to agree with here. It feels rushed. And the Jon-Dany relationship wasn't well developed for either to feel particular affinity for each other.
But my biggest complaint about this final season is what I've repeatedly said. There were better ways to get from point A to point B that were more realistic. I wish episode #1 was more like #2. The plot holes in #3 and #4 is what really bothered me. I felt they did a fine job last night of setting up a good finale... just don't blow it.
No, its on 5/19. They wouldn't put it on Memorial Day Weekend.
No, I think it's next week, and a documentary about the "Making of the Final Season" will air on May 26, with behind-the-scenes footage, interviews, etc.
I doubt he wargs into a dragon.
I think Jon "takes over" Drogon because of his Targaryen blood.
I have always believed that the magical elements would all be gone at the end. If Bran does Warg into Drogon I think it will be save Jon. Dany is now the Mad Queen and Jon is a huge threat that she will not want to suffer. Once Grey Worm tells Dany that Jon ordered his soldiers to stand down after they started slaughtering the Lannister army that surrendered she will lose it.
Answers in terms of what? His army is gone.
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and his army or are they just going to leave it alone?
Answers in terms of what? His army is gone.
Seriously? What was the meaning of the repeated circular pattern that he kept leaving behind. Who was he originally?
I wish there could be a do-over on the last couple of seasons. So many of these episodes and storylines have missed the mark. The action is cool but this show was never about that, yet its the only real thing i've been able to enjoy about it at this point. Even last night there was about 5% fighting, 90% CGI.
Truth be told the little bit of story/scheming they've done has been bad so it's probably a better decision to go action. The action has been the best executed aspect of these final 2 seasons. The loot train and last night were probably the high points in terms of entertainment.
s7 had flaws but I was hoping since they took 2.5 years off s8 would be better but it's been even more contrived as they race to wrap everything up. And what's happened in s8 only makes s7 look sillier in hindsight. Maybe they got dealt a shitty hand trying to stick to Martin's vision but if so they've also played that hand very poorly.
All of those setbacks were central to the mad queen turn and many of them were among the most strategically illogical storylines the show has had (especially the expedition north of the wall to try to negotiate with Cersei and then even sillier trusting her). It was just a couple seasons ago that Dany was almost killed over trying to close the fighting pits. And now she's killed more innocents than Cersei and the mountain on their worst days? Because her side suffered a bunch of defeats that drove her to madness over the past couple seasons because she was...trying to avoid the slaughter of innocents.
I think when this is all over, and we rewatch the series again after knowing how it ends, we'll see how Dany's worst impulses were tempered by others around her.
I don't pay too much attention to her political rhetoric about being the "better" and "kinder" alternative than those of the past. That's just self-aggrandizing narcissism. She wants power.
Although to be fair later on in the episode the shots from Arya's point of view do make it seem like she's just going crazy lighting the whole city on fire.
I'd like to believe he's got a ton of content written, and I don't think he wants anyone other than himself to publish the end of it. I think we get some news this year with the show ending.
Exactly. They made a big leap establishing revenge hungry and reckless and then showing someone who is thirsting to kill all innocents. The first shot was her going after a bunch of fleeing peasants, not even the Lannister soldiers. Just bizarre.
I think when this is all over, and we rewatch the series again after knowing how it ends, we'll see how Dany's worst impulses were tempered by others around her.
I don't pay too much attention to her political rhetoric about being the "better" and "kinder" alternative than those of the past. That's just self-aggrandizing narcissism. She wants power.
Possible - I don't think this was an issue of something happening out of the blue. It was the way it happened suddenly. On a re-watch I don't think it will feel any less rushed that in the span of like 20 minutes of show time Sansa broke her promise to Jon, Dany lost her 2nd dragon, and Missandei, and her advisors started betraying her.
He never attacked because Westeros (it's implied) he could not pass the wall (at least that's what I think)
There needs to be a final confrontation between Jon and Dany, but it will not be physical. He is too loyal to his word to attack someone to whom he has sworn allegiance. I think it will be something like Dany ordering Jon to execute Tyrion and him refusin, and choosing instead to be banished north of the wall. I don't see her killing Jon and fostering a revolt, or him killing her.
I'd like to believe he's got a ton of content written, and I don't think he wants anyone other than himself to publish the end of it. I think we get some news this year with the show ending.
I agree - and maybe this is wishful thinking but I wouldn't be shocked if he releases the whole thing at once or finishes it together but announces 2 release dates. Or something to that effect.
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and his army or are they just going to leave it alone?
Answers in terms of what? His army is gone.
Seriously? What was the meaning of the repeated circular pattern that he kept leaving behind. Who was he originally?
And why did the Children of the Forest create such a horrible monster?
I just want to know what those damn circles were about! lol
And why did the Children of the Forest create such a horrible monster?
They didn't mean to create such a huge monster. They just wanted help versus the first men but once they got out of control the COTF joined forces with the first men to defeat the NK.