Peter King ranks all 32 NFL teams

That's one of the biggest issues with the defense. It's not just the worry about the pass rush, but it is a very young defense with not much time for the component part to be meddled together.

In comment 14441285 Eric from BBI said:

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That's one of the biggest issues with the defense. It's not just the worry about the pass rush, but it is a very young defense with not much time for the component part to be meddled together.

True, but honestly does it matter. If you can't be experienced and cohesive, then be big and athletic. We have to hope the defense can make plays from time to time and have athleticism overcome inexperience.

for doing absolutely nothing.

resulting in some easy TDs. This team could be like last year and have a poor record before the bye and a .500 team afterwards.

about how the media hates the Giants for some unknown. reason.

The reality is we've been the worst team in the league over the past two years combined. Moving to 4th worst would be a reasonable improvement.

More than the standings. With a favorable schedule things could look more optimistic than reality. Remember McAdoo's first year? What I'll be watching, more than anything, is how we stack up in the division.

In the nickel 4 of the 5 strayers will be vets Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea and probably Haley. in the front 7 Tomlinson, Hill, Ogletree, Goodson and Carter were here last year. It’s not like they’re starting from scratch. Typical make the facts fit your conclusion. Heaven forbid he talk about the talent itself which is pretty good.

We all hope they will be much better, but they have a lot to prove.

them out of the water for the past two years when he has actually been in the lineup. This team now runs, offensively, through Saquon and I have no issue with that.

I used to like Peter but it seems he has changed significantly since going completely to NBC.

doesn't mean the season is lost. Coming together for the second half, if we can avoid a disastrous first half positions us well.

I don't expect the offense to be more than solid mediocre, but if they can hold time of possession so that the D (making the BIG assumption that reconstruction of the D is on the right path) can't be exploited too badly, we should be middle of the pack. All you can reasonably expect. Hoping for is another matter.

4 returning starters at a minimum...Jenkins, Ogletree, Hill, Tomilison and probably 5 with Carter.

Offense without OBJ is new? How many games has he missed?

I do not necessarily disagree with premise....Defense must gel and offense must improve...

I look forward to seeibg all these idiotic talking heads looking like fools

Go back to sleep and dream your playoff dreams.

No one can complain because a) it means we get better odds for picking the Giants to win the division, and b) who gives a shit how Peter King or any other talking bozo ranks the Giants. These are the same idiots who say the Giants should've drafted Darnold over Barkley last year!!!

NYG have been one of the worst teams two years running, and not been good for much longer than that. They traded away one of only two obvious blue-chip playmakers on the team and invested their top pick on a player who won't contribute this season. 75% of this site is all in on giving this team the benefit of the doubt --that's just not the way folks on the outside are going to look at it. We don't look at our team from the same lens as we do others.

does it pain you to see Rosen being part of the plan to pick high next year? (ok, he actually said it was a good move to take a flier on Rosen, after spending most of the blurb on how Dolphins were positioning themselves to be in place for a shot at a good QB prospect next year. Basically same thing :)

In comment 14441318 UberAlias said:

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NYG have been one of the worst teams two years running, and not been good for much longer than that. They traded away one of only two obvious blue-chip playmakers on the team and invested their top pick on a player who won't contribute this season. 75% of this site is all in on giving this team the benefit of the doubt --that's just not the way folks on the outside are going to look at it. We don't look at our team from the same lens as we do others.

How about he actually look at the talent. Thus team has representative talent on both sides of the ball. The RB is a star, the OL completely rebuilt, the DL and secondary completely rebuilt. There is reason to think the LB have some decent upside. This just isn’t a team with the 28th worst talent in the league.

the talent on this team is unproven. We had some guys look promising last year, but outside of Saquon no one was turning heads. To the eyes of most outside the organization, there was more proven talent lost than gained.

Coach these young players up and see what they're able to put down on the football field.

They need a third offseason of talent infusion, coaching up, and developing cohesion. I expect to see the needle pointing up in 2019, and to see if they've got playoff spot potential in 2020.

last year...

correct in terms of the top end talent. We still don't know what we actually have in terms of the young talent. The NFL sample size just isn't there.

and against AFC East. Division first, obviously, but AFC East should give us some compelling measuring sticks as well.

that does not mean that it is an accurate prediction of the future.

If the Giants wind up 9-7 this year, you would be delighted, but you would not be shocked. Conversely, if we end up 3-13 you would be pissed and disappointed, but again, not shocked. King has nothing concrete to write about yet. His prediction is written in ink, not in stone.

But let's face it, whenever I head Jets fans talking about the talent of their unknown players I tend to roll my eyes. That's how the rest of the league is going to view us until we prove we deserve the benefit of the doubt. And that's not unfair.

but they ranked 24th in total D, 10th worst in points allowed, 13th worst in run D (ypc), 10th worst pass D (ypg), 2nd worst in sacks, i mean it's not like you too the '86 D and replaced 9 starters.

You took a pretty shitty D and replaced 9 starters.

I do think 5 - 11 is probably about right though for a record. this team has all the makings of a shit show.

fair to compare football predictions to weather predictions.
Both kinds are pretty accurate for the next week to ten days, but beyond that, "your mileage may vary." King is trying to predict the weather for a whole year. Good luck to that.

Injuries are certain to strike, but you never know when or how much it will hurt the team. A team that does not have much depth will probably suffer the most. (The football version of the rich get richer.)

honestly I believe in Bettcher but wouldn't be surprised if before we have a good opportunity for a deep run in the playoffs if he ends up getting poached. Could go either way, of course, but he has a lot of young talent, and very low expectations for his unit. If they perform decent this year (say top 15 defensive unit) and next year crack the top ten defensive units, he is going to be well regarded for those accomplishments.

Hoping Shurmur shows his chops and gets the offense to reach its potential soon.

That's only the second-most important position on the field. Our best pass rusher is on a one year deal after getting four sacks last year. Even if the rookie CBs are going to be good, they are also going to be inexperienced.


And then on offense, they better hope the improvements to the OL offset the loss of Beckham. Who's the deep threat on offense? Engram?


They are a year or two away from having a complete roster and competing. If they've made the wrong choice at QB, more than that.

I ll be invested in every game. No need to worry about draft positions at the end of a lost year.

28 th is a reasonable projection, but Taken with a grain of salt

was the biggest thing I took from the article too:

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Amazing how much love the Niners get.. Sean : 8:07 am : link : reply for doing absolutely nothing.

7th??

It's sort of like the way the Cardinals were always the preseason pick about 4 years before they became good. It also was trendy to pick Jax for awhile there

is it really worth debating whether its 22nd vs 28th?

Peter King?

Fucking yawn.

in his 60's by now?

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the talent on this team is unproven. We had some guys look promising last year, but outside of Saquon no one was turning heads. To the eyes of most outside the organization, there was more proven talent lost than gained.

Barkley, Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, Remmers, Tate, Shepard, Engram, Tomlinson, Hill, Ogletree, Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea are unproven? No they aren’t. Even guys like Carter, Golden and Haley aren’t completely unproven though they have things to show. DG has done as good a job as anyone in the NFL in upgrading this roster in the last two years.

nothing done with the pass rush screams "much improved".

think.

Jenkins knows he's gone soon, much of the front seven still needs to show much more than they have. I see some upgrades but nothing screams to me this defense is going to be far better than 2018.

In comment 14441390 BillT said:

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In comment 14441335 UberAlias said: Quote: the talent on this team is unproven. We had some guys look promising last year, but outside of Saquon no one was turning heads. To the eyes of most outside the organization, there was more proven talent lost than gained. Barkley, Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, Remmers, Tate, Shepard, Engram, Tomlinson, Hill, Ogletree, Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea are unproven? No they aren’t. Even guys like Carter, Golden and Haley aren’t completely unproven though they have things to show. DG has done as good a job as anyone in the NFL in upgrading this roster in the last two years.

Other than Barkley and Tate you are using proven talent very liberally.

In comment 14441327 fkap said:

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does it pain you to see Rosen being part of the plan to pick high next year? (ok, he actually said it was a good move to take a flier on Rosen, after spending most of the blurb on how Dolphins were positioning themselves to be in place for a shot at a good QB prospect next year. Basically same thing :)

I didn't bother clicking on the link because I wasn't interested how he ranked the teams (clicking on this thread out of boredom was enough of an effort on his behalf). Much more interested in the give and take between friends on BBI. As for Rosen, I wish he had landed in a better place (out of the fire and into the frying pan for him), but at least it wasn't the Redskins. I just hope I come to love the Jones decision as much I now love the Barkley decision.
p.s.--The Browns are playing the AFC East this year so it should be fun watching the four top QBs from the 2018 draft facing off in their sophomore seasons.

It's not just the fact that he's the best RB in the NFL, it's that there is a huge gap between him and the second best RB in the NFL.

However in reference to the quote above, I consider having 9 out of 11 new starters on defense a good thing. Especially when some of these are young talented 2 year guys ready to make the jump, a safety who was a 1st rd draft choice and is a potential all-pro, a 1st rd DT, and 3 new highly drafted cbs.

In comment 14441405 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14441390 BillT said: Quote: In comment 14441335 UberAlias said: Quote: the talent on this team is unproven. We had some guys look promising last year, but outside of Saquon no one was turning heads. To the eyes of most outside the organization, there was more proven talent lost than gained. Barkley, Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, Remmers, Tate, Shepard, Engram, Tomlinson, Hill, Ogletree, Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea are unproven? No they aren’t. Even guys like Carter, Golden and Haley aren’t completely unproven though they have things to show. DG has done as good a job as anyone in the NFL in upgrading this roster in the last two years. Other than Barkley and Tate you are using proven talent very liberally.

What? Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, Remmers are all vets with solid resumes. Ogletree, Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea and Engram aren't proven talents? Are you sure you're not mistaking "proven talents" with outright pessimism. :)

Rome wasn't built in a day.

In comment 14441399 JonC said:

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nothing done with the pass rush screams "much improved".

If Carter had had his rookie season with the Cowboys folks would be talking about him as a future pro bowler. Same with Hill. 11 sacks between them as rookies.

I love what DG has done so far and I know he isn't finished.

Let's go into this season with low expectations and see where it takes us and then go into next year with the extra two compensatory picks and plenty of cap room.

Be patient boys. They may be writing about these couple of seasons as the blueprint to glory for Big Blue!

In comment 14441427 BillT said:

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In comment 14441399 JonC said: Quote: nothing done with the pass rush screams "much improved". If Carter had had his rookie season with the Cowboys folks would be talking about him as a future pro bowler. Same with Hill. 11 sacks between them as rookies.

We're going to agree to disagree.

ESPN or NFL Power rankings...Anybody's rankings, really...and an empty sack, are worth an empty sack.

It's fine as a mental exercise, and it certainly stimulates a discussion, but does it really mean anything? I don't think so.

Who gives a flying fuck what Peter King says.

I haven't scraped the numbers but I thought our offense was better without him on the field right?

With another draft and a free agency period flush with cap room the Giants should be ready to compete for the division title in 2020 with Jones entering his first full season as starter.

In comment 14441390 BillT said:

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In comment 14441335 UberAlias said: Quote: the talent on this team is unproven. We had some guys look promising last year, but outside of Saquon no one was turning heads. To the eyes of most outside the organization, there was more proven talent lost than gained. Barkley, Solder, Hernandez, Zeitler, Remmers, Tate, Shepard, Engram, Tomlinson, Hill, Ogletree, Jenkins, Peppers, Bethea are unproven? No they aren’t. Even guys like Carter, Golden and Haley aren’t completely unproven though they have things to show. DG has done as good a job as anyone in the NFL in upgrading this roster in the last two years.

You're looking at this as a Giants fan. Other teams aren't looking at that list with envy and saying, look at all that talent.