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Giantsfan79 : 5/13/2019 7:54 am
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28. +NEW YORK GIANTS (5-11)

Every reporter and TV screamer and columnist has weighed in on Eli Manning and Daniel Jones and the sanity of the general manager. So let’s spend one paragraph on one of the most interesting things we’ll witness this year: exactly who will be impactful, and who will line up where, on the Giants defense. By my count, nine of the 11 starters on defense on opening day (if they open in a nickel package) could be new to the team over the last 15 months: defensive linemen B.J. Hill and Dexter Lawrence, linebackers Alec Ogletree, Oshane Ximines and Lorenzo Carter, and defensive backs Sam Beal, Deandre Baker, Antoine Bethea and Jabrill Peppers. Chemistry class will be in session at Giants camp in July. It had better be—because no one knows how productive the post-Odell offense will be.

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mikeinbloomfield  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/13/2019 5:03 pm : link
Jabrill Peppers is a much better player than Landon Collins. Collins is living off his 2016 season. He was a stud that year. He's been ordinary at best the other three seasons.

Wait and see.

I've already said the two OLBs are the question marks. But ACL's can take some time to come back from and Bettcher said he's moving around great now.
How many LTs are you taking over Solder?  
adamg : 5/13/2019 5:04 pm : link
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RE: RE: Amazing how much love the Niners get..  
BigBlueShock : 5/13/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14442120 NINEster said:
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In comment 14441292 Sean said:


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for doing absolutely nothing.



It's not very complicated.

They added two very good edge rushers, a good MLB, and more pieces to the puzzle for Shanahan's offense. They hope to have Garoppolo back there for a full season instead of more prime time killers in Mullens and Beathard.

If the team can live up to that potential and learn to close out games they should have won with those backups last year (Packers AT Green Bay, Chargers in LA, Cards twice), then they can be a force this year.

I'm rather superstitious and don't like to make big projections. But if the team went 12-4 this year, it wouldn't be a huge surprise whatsoever. The Niners going 13-3 in 2011 was something that nobody in the NFL predicted, not even the bigger Niner homer.

Niner fans cautiously anticipate anywhere between 7-10 wins, but believe me, every single game they will feel they deserve to be in it until the end. That's the sentiment.

Meanwhile the Seahawks only bring back Wilson and Wagner from the SB teams, and people will slurp them up as a 10 win team no problem.

Ummmm, the Seahawks DID win 10 games last year and made the playoffs while the 49ers were picking second in the entire draft.

Yeah, how bizarre that people are “slurping” on a team that just won 10 games and went to the playoffs and predicting that they could ....actually win 10 games! Weird, right?
RE: mikeinbloomfield  
mikeinbloomfield : 5/13/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14442215 Eric from BBI said:
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Jabrill Peppers is a much better player than Landon Collins. Collins is living off his 2016 season. He was a stud that year. He's been ordinary at best the other three seasons.

Wait and see.

I've already said the two OLBs are the question marks. But ACL's can take some time to come back from and Bettcher said he's moving around great now.




Peppers had one interception and one sack, with Collins having zero. Collins had almost 20 more tackles. Saying Peppers is 'much better' than Collins is unsupportable. The best argument you can make is they're a wash. Whoop de doo.

You said you are more optimistic than most about the defense, but acknowledge that the OLBs have issues. I fail to see the reasons why anyone would be optimistic. They were terrible last year, and I don't see how they improved.
mikeinbloomfield  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/13/2019 5:24 pm : link
Because Jabrill Peppers played out of position his rookie season (which in the long run will help him develop as a player as he now has the ability to play that spot) he didn't really come on until his sophomore season. He's a much better athlete than Collins. He can even play some corner.

You don't have to believe me. The Cleveland coaches loved him and texted Bettcher after the trade and told him he would love him. Bucky Brooks thinks he is going to be a breakout player in 2019.

As I said, wait and see.
Keep in mind..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/13/2019 5:37 pm : link
that tackles are often a function of the defense - not the player.

Collins had the 46th most tackles in the NFL - just ahead of Tre Boston and Bradley McDougald.
Even if the Giants are only a 5 win team this year  
Poktown Pete : 5/13/2019 7:23 pm : link
I see things trending up and I expect to see some real fight from the team this year. I expect them to form some kind of identity finally, after years of being non-descript. Smash mouth? I for one would love to see it.
RE: mikeinbloomfield  
hitdog42 : 5/13/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14442215 Eric from BBI said:
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Jabrill Peppers is a much better player than Landon Collins. Collins is living off his 2016 season. He was a stud that year. He's been ordinary at best the other three seasons.

Wait and see.

I've already said the two OLBs are the question marks. But ACL's can take some time to come back from and Bettcher said he's moving around great now.


Has peppers ever been a stud? I think he has the potential but how can you claim someone is better when up to now peak Collins is better? Even if a few years back? It’s these assumptions and leaps that get people to 8-10 wins- which I’m hoping for but it’s hard to use as a base case
RE: RE: mikeinbloomfield  
Big Blue '56 : 5/13/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14442393 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 14442215 Eric from BBI said:


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Jabrill Peppers is a much better player than Landon Collins. Collins is living off his 2016 season. He was a stud that year. He's been ordinary at best the other three seasons.

Wait and see.

I've already said the two OLBs are the question marks. But ACL's can take some time to come back from and Bettcher said he's moving around great now.



Has peppers ever been a stud? I think he has the potential but how can you claim someone is better when up to now peak Collins is better? Even if a few years back? It’s these assumptions and leaps that get people to 8-10 wins- which I’m hoping for but it’s hard to use as a base case


Oh please. Peak Collins is a thing of the past until proven otherwise. If ever.
RE: RE: RE: Amazing how much love the Niners get..  
NINEster : 5/13/2019 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14442228 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14442120 NINEster said:


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In comment 14441292 Sean said:


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for doing absolutely nothing.



It's not very complicated.

They added two very good edge rushers, a good MLB, and more pieces to the puzzle for Shanahan's offense. They hope to have Garoppolo back there for a full season instead of more prime time killers in Mullens and Beathard.

If the team can live up to that potential and learn to close out games they should have won with those backups last year (Packers AT Green Bay, Chargers in LA, Cards twice), then they can be a force this year.

I'm rather superstitious and don't like to make big projections. But if the team went 12-4 this year, it wouldn't be a huge surprise whatsoever. The Niners going 13-3 in 2011 was something that nobody in the NFL predicted, not even the bigger Niner homer.

Niner fans cautiously anticipate anywhere between 7-10 wins, but believe me, every single game they will feel they deserve to be in it until the end. That's the sentiment.

Meanwhile the Seahawks only bring back Wilson and Wagner from the SB teams, and people will slurp them up as a 10 win team no problem.


Ummmm, the Seahawks DID win 10 games last year and made the playoffs while the 49ers were picking second in the entire draft.

Yeah, how bizarre that people are “slurping” on a team that just won 10 games and went to the playoffs and predicting that they could ....actually win 10 games! Weird, right?


It's very weird.

Seattle always gets the benefit of the doubt.

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