Hadn't seen this posted so I thought I'd share.
It has Coleman beating out Latimer for WR3, although in the comments it notes the WR3 position is up for grabs between Coleman, Latimer and Fowler (not sure I agree with Fowler being on that list).
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In 7 games with Detroit he had 44 catches and 517 yards. That's close to a 100 catches and over 1100 yards over an entire season. I'd just as soon chalk that up to a poor system fit in Philly than all of a sudden, in mid season, he cratered into a marginal football player
This is true, we have no true WR1.
On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.
Baker, Beal, Love, Ballentine, Haley, Connelly, Hill, Lawrence, McIntosh, Carter, and Ximines will be expected to contribute and all of them are either rookies or 2nd year players. That's a lot of youth and inexperience.
JJ is a good player - but he's not Revis in this prime. He might be the only player on the defense that has a track record of proven All-Pro level success on this defense right now.
I agree. There will be a lot of growing pains, but hopefully it leads to a unit coming together by the end of the year with promising outlook for the future.
All of them are versatile lineman, but I hope Lawrence and Hill are at the 1 and 3, respectively. I think Tomlinson will be at his best rotating with these guys.
agreed. They were a bottom 5 defense last year and they have improved on paper. BJ Hill and Lorenzo Carter should be better. They are deeper at CB. The x-factors on defense are Markus Golden, Carter and Ximines...they need to get sack production and pressure from those 3 guys. We should be better thank last year against the run t with Dexter Lawrence.
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isn't really looking so great.
This is true, we have no true WR1.
On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.
I hope Engram continues his play at the end and takes a leap, which will be huge for the team. In games, without Odell, Engram has produced as a top receiving tight end. Then, him and Saquon will be the game breakers, with Tate and shepard being the reliable guys, and hopefully one of Lattimer, Coleman, or Slayton steps up.
If you want to feel better go look at the Redskins offense.
Barkley and EE might be the two biggest threats the NYG have, but neither play WR.
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isn't really looking so great.
This is true, we have no true WR1.
On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.
No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.
No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.
Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.
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isn't really looking so great.
This is true, we have no true WR1.
On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.
No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.
No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.
Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.
These comments don't make sense to me.
I think thats what bethea brings. He should be good for a young secondary.
+1 . Connelly will hopefully surprise.
DE/T
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DE/T
He just cut out one DE.
Lazy...........
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isn't really looking so great.
This is true, we have no true WR1.
On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.
No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.
No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.
Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.
These comments don't make sense to me.
Successful RBs are defined more by their rushing yards then their passing stats. The majority of their yardage comes from rushing the football. Very little of it comes from receiving.
The last 11 seasons not 1 top 15 paid RB has eclipsed more then 2 pass catching touchdowns.
So yes it’s nice that Saquon can catch the ball, but it’s never going to be the best part of his game and or the reason he is considered a success. That will be determined by how well he rushes the football simply because thats what determines a successful RB. Pass stats for a RB amount to basically squat.
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In comment 14441859 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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isn't really looking so great.
This is true, we have no true WR1.
On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.
No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.
No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.
Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.
Its almost as if you didn't look at Barkley's stats last year. He had 4 TDs and 700+ yards. Yes those aren't WR1 numbers, but they are pretty good for a 3rd or 4th recieving option.
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In comment 14441867 GiantGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14441859 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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isn't really looking so great.
This is true, we have no true WR1.
On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.
No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.
No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.
Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.
These comments don't make sense to me.
Successful RBs are defined more by their rushing yards then their passing stats. The majority of their yardage comes from rushing the football. Very little of it comes from receiving.
The last 11 seasons not 1 top 15 paid RB has eclipsed more then 2 pass catching touchdowns.
So yes it’s nice that Saquon can catch the ball, but it’s never going to be the best part of his game and or the reason he is considered a success. That will be determined by how well he rushes the football simply because thats what determines a successful RB. Pass stats for a RB amount to basically squat.
But last year Saquon had 700+ receiving yards and 4 receiving TDs, which I would argue is a significant contribution. More than many RBs rush for.
It's true that they dont line up at the line of scrimmage and have a limited repertoire of routes that they run, but RBs can definitely help out a QB at a non-zero level.
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In comment 14441859 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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isn't really looking so great.
This is true, we have no true WR1.
On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.
No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.
No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.
Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.
These comments don't make sense to me.
Successful RBs are defined more by their rushing yards then their passing stats. The majority of their yardage comes from rushing the football. Very little of it comes from receiving.
The last 11 seasons not 1 top 15 paid RB has eclipsed more then 2 pass catching touchdowns.
So yes it’s nice that Saquon can catch the ball, but it’s never going to be the best part of his game and or the reason he is considered a success. That will be determined by how well he rushes the football simply because thats what determines a successful RB. Pass stats for a RB amount to basically squat.
Someone should have explained that to Faulk and Warner.
2 of the top 3 paid RB last year - T. Gurley and E. Elliot - both have seasons in which they caught more than 3 TDs.
Todd Gurley had 59-580-4 and missed two games last year
Zeke 77-567-3 and missed one game last year.
Those are #2 and #3 on the list of highest paid RB last year.
Absolutely!
Take Latimer, because of his blocking ability against WRs, and because he can hurt a defense deep because of deep speed and all elements (size, strength, vj, snatch hands) of a vertical, maybe you want him starting on run downs. Does that make him the #1 or #2?
However, he does not the definition of quick open, so on passing downs maybe you don't want him in on these situations. So now what number does that make him?
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isn't really looking so great.
This is true, we have no true WR1.
On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.
No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.
No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.
Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.
Suggest you check out Leveon Bell, David Johnson. Ray Rice, and Lesean McCoy for top RBs who have had very meaningful receiving numbers within the last 15 years.
We didn’t replace Beckham with an unknown 2nd round rookie or 2nd year unknown. Tate is a pro.
The offense will score 400 pts barring an injury epidemic.
And he was on pace for another 1000+ yard season before a mideason trade to a completely different offense with Alston, 2 TEs, and N.A. Competing for targets
He wasn’t “crap” at all - just didn’t have the stats. He was well on pace for another good season before his trade
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tate works out. he is older, and was crap for the eagles last year.
And he was on pace for another 1000+ yard season before a mideason trade to a completely different offense with Alston, 2 TEs, and N.A. Competing for targets
He wasn’t “crap” at all - just didn’t have the stats. He was well on pace for another good season before his trade
*AlsHon, not Alston ... but you already knew that
There is a decent chance Barkley gets 1,000 yards receiving this year if he's healthy through 16 games.
And once the QB position is passed on to Jones, that tendency will only increase.
I think they'll want to get Saquon more breathers in short yardage situations, as others have suggested and as Smith's signing indicates. Not on passing downs.
You need to project rookies to be impactful and other players to take a big step forward in order to say the defensive talent isn't bottom tier in the NFL.
I'm not saying this to be negative. I just think this is a rebuilding year.
Defenses that look worse on paper:
Tampa Bay
Arizona
Miami
Cinci
Oakland