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GiantGiantsFan : 5/13/2019 2:17 pm
Hadn't seen this posted so I thought I'd share.

It has Coleman beating out Latimer for WR3, although in the comments it notes the WR3 position is up for grabs between Coleman, Latimer and Fowler (not sure I agree with Fowler being on that list).
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the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/13/2019 2:19 pm : link
defensive talent is better than this writer claims. The big problem at this point is gaining cohesion.
Our collection of WRs  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/13/2019 2:20 pm : link
isn't really looking so great.
WR is a joke, hopefully  
japanhead : 5/13/2019 2:21 pm : link
tate works out. he is older, and was crap for the eagles last year.
RE: WR is a joke, hopefully  
Now Mike in MD : 5/13/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14441861 japanhead said:
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tate works out. he is older, and was crap for the eagles last year.


In 7 games with Detroit he had 44 catches and 517 yards. That's close to a 100 catches and over 1100 yards over an entire season. I'd just as soon chalk that up to a poor system fit in Philly than all of a sudden, in mid season, he cratered into a marginal football player
RE: Our collection of WRs  
GiantGiantsFan : 5/13/2019 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14441859 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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isn't really looking so great.


This is true, we have no true WR1.

On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.
The defense is far more talented that at this point last season  
Jay on the Island : 5/13/2019 2:33 pm : link
As Eric mentioned the problem is cohesion. The are a lot of newcomers/rookies on the defense that will be playing big roles.
Baker, Beal, Love, Ballentine, Haley, Connelly, Hill, Lawrence, McIntosh, Carter, and Ximines will be expected to contribute and all of them are either rookies or 2nd year players. That's a lot of youth and inexperience.
If Hill, Lawrence, and Tomlinson are on the field at the same time...  
Milton : 5/13/2019 2:34 pm : link
...for anything other than short yardage, then one of them is playing out of position (which isn't good for anyone). Someone other than those three needs to step up and seize the 5 technique.
The secondaries biggest weakness early on  
Jay on the Island : 5/13/2019 2:35 pm : link
will be communication. With all these kids playing with each other for the first time there is a high likelihood of missed assignments which leads to blown coverage.
I agree that the POTENTIAL talent  
Dnew15 : 5/13/2019 2:37 pm : link
on the defense is considerably better than what it was last year - however - it is clear that there is no superstar talent on the defense RIGHT NOW.
JJ is a good player - but he's not Revis in this prime. He might be the only player on the defense that has a track record of proven All-Pro level success on this defense right now.
RE: the  
Nine-Tails : 5/13/2019 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14441858 Eric from BBI said:
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defensive talent is better than this writer claims. The big problem at this point is gaining cohesion.


I agree. There will be a lot of growing pains, but hopefully it leads to a unit coming together by the end of the year with promising outlook for the future.
RE: If Hill, Lawrence, and Tomlinson are on the field at the same time...  
Nine-Tails : 5/13/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14441874 Milton said:
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...for anything other than short yardage, then one of them is playing out of position (which isn't good for anyone). Someone other than those three needs to step up and seize the 5 technique.


All of them are versatile lineman, but I hope Lawrence and Hill are at the 1 and 3, respectively. I think Tomlinson will be at his best rotating with these guys.
My gut tells me Goodson gets replace  
George from PA : 5/13/2019 2:40 pm : link
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RE: the  
Andy in Boston : 5/13/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14441858 Eric from BBI said:
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defensive talent is better than this writer claims. The big problem at this point is gaining cohesion.


agreed. They were a bottom 5 defense last year and they have improved on paper. BJ Hill and Lorenzo Carter should be better. They are deeper at CB. The x-factors on defense are Markus Golden, Carter and Ximines...they need to get sack production and pressure from those 3 guys. We should be better thank last year against the run t with Dexter Lawrence.
RE: RE: Our collection of WRs  
Nine-Tails : 5/13/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14441867 GiantGiantsFan said:
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isn't really looking so great.



This is true, we have no true WR1.

On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.


I hope Engram continues his play at the end and takes a leap, which will be huge for the team. In games, without Odell, Engram has produced as a top receiving tight end. Then, him and Saquon will be the game breakers, with Tate and shepard being the reliable guys, and hopefully one of Lattimer, Coleman, or Slayton steps up.
RE: WR is a joke, hopefully  
BSIMatt : 5/13/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14441861 japanhead said:
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tate works out. he is older, and was crap for the eagles last year.


If you want to feel better go look at the Redskins offense.
I think it's better to look  
Dnew15 : 5/13/2019 2:46 pm : link
at the WR group as "pass-catchers" rather than just WR. Look at the Super Bowl winning Pats and I think there's a legit argument about who's "pass-catchers" are better.

Barkley and EE might be the two biggest threats the NYG have, but neither play WR.
Our WR corps  
Thunderstruck27 : 5/13/2019 2:46 pm : link
is pretty underrated on here. If we couldn't compete with Beckham...why do we need Superstar WRs?
RE: RE: Our collection of WRs  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/13/2019 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14441867 GiantGiantsFan said:
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isn't really looking so great.



This is true, we have no true WR1.

On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.


No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.

No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.

Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.
RE: RE: RE: Our collection of WRs  
Dnew15 : 5/13/2019 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14441916 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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isn't really looking so great.



This is true, we have no true WR1.

On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.



No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.

No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.

Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.


These comments don't make sense to me.
RE: The secondaries biggest weakness early on  
viggie : 5/13/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14441879 Jay on the Island said:
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will be communication. With all these kids playing with each other for the first time there is a high likelihood of missed assignments which leads to blown coverage.


I think thats what bethea brings. He should be good for a young secondary.
RE: My gut tells me Goodson gets replace  
Jim Bur(n)t : 5/13/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14441894 George from PA said:
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+1 . Connelly will hopefully surprise.
Big "Step it up Son"  
Jim Bur(n)t : 5/13/2019 3:03 pm : link
Year for EE.
That writer  
HoustonGiant : 5/13/2019 3:03 pm : link
was too lazy to list a 3-4 Defense as:
DE/T
NT
DE/T

He just cut out one DE.


Lazy...........
RE: RE: RE: RE: Our collection of WRs  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/13/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14441926 Dnew15 said:
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isn't really looking so great.



This is true, we have no true WR1.

On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.



No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.

No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.

Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.



These comments don't make sense to me.


Successful RBs are defined more by their rushing yards then their passing stats. The majority of their yardage comes from rushing the football. Very little of it comes from receiving.

The last 11 seasons not 1 top 15 paid RB has eclipsed more then 2 pass catching touchdowns.

So yes itís nice that Saquon can catch the ball, but itís never going to be the best part of his game and or the reason he is considered a success. That will be determined by how well he rushes the football simply because thats what determines a successful RB. Pass stats for a RB amount to basically squat.

RE: RE: RE: Our collection of WRs  
Scyber : 5/13/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14441916 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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isn't really looking so great.



This is true, we have no true WR1.

On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.



No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.

No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.

Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.



Its almost as if you didn't look at Barkley's stats last year. He had 4 TDs and 700+ yards. Yes those aren't WR1 numbers, but they are pretty good for a 3rd or 4th recieving option.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Our collection of WRs  
GiantGiantsFan : 5/13/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14441960 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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isn't really looking so great.



This is true, we have no true WR1.

On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.



No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.

No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.

Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.



These comments don't make sense to me.



Successful RBs are defined more by their rushing yards then their passing stats. The majority of their yardage comes from rushing the football. Very little of it comes from receiving.

The last 11 seasons not 1 top 15 paid RB has eclipsed more then 2 pass catching touchdowns.

So yes itís nice that Saquon can catch the ball, but itís never going to be the best part of his game and or the reason he is considered a success. That will be determined by how well he rushes the football simply because thats what determines a successful RB. Pass stats for a RB amount to basically squat.


But last year Saquon had 700+ receiving yards and 4 receiving TDs, which I would argue is a significant contribution. More than many RBs rush for.

It's true that they dont line up at the line of scrimmage and have a limited repertoire of routes that they run, but RBs can definitely help out a QB at a non-zero level.
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Our collection of WRs  
Now Mike in MD : 5/13/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14441960 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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isn't really looking so great.



This is true, we have no true WR1.

On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.



No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.

No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.

Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.



These comments don't make sense to me.



Successful RBs are defined more by their rushing yards then their passing stats. The majority of their yardage comes from rushing the football. Very little of it comes from receiving.

The last 11 seasons not 1 top 15 paid RB has eclipsed more then 2 pass catching touchdowns.

So yes itís nice that Saquon can catch the ball, but itís never going to be the best part of his game and or the reason he is considered a success. That will be determined by how well he rushes the football simply because thats what determines a successful RB. Pass stats for a RB amount to basically squat.


Someone should have explained that to Faulk and Warner.
I don't even know where to begin  
Dnew15 : 5/13/2019 3:21 pm : link
on how wrong that is.
2 of the top 3 paid RB last year - T. Gurley and E. Elliot - both have seasons in which they caught more than 3 TDs.

Todd Gurley had 59-580-4 and missed two games last year
Zeke 77-567-3 and missed one game last year.

Those are #2 and #3 on the list of highest paid RB last year.
I should have explained that those are  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/13/2019 3:24 pm : link
averages over the 11 year span of time.
For the most part  
djm : 5/13/2019 3:25 pm : link
The only players that showed progress last season on D or any potential were the younger players, notably the rookies. Hereís hoping thereís a correlation because thatís what we need to happen again in 2019.
you don't have to be  
Bill in UT : 5/13/2019 3:26 pm : link
a rocket surgeon to figure that out for the start of camp. Beyond that I'd watch DE and ILB and maybe C. I think there will be some competition at those spots
That Def. Lineup.....  
Kev in Cali : 5/13/2019 3:44 pm : link
is gonna get torched early on in the season. However, I belief they will start to play improved football in the second half of season.
We have some good young talent on defense  
Biteymax22 : 5/13/2019 3:56 pm : link
Its not nearly as bad as this guy makes it seems, but Eric is right, there will be a learning curve. I'd expect the defense to start slow but pick up steam mid year.
RE: the  
Alan in Toledo : 5/13/2019 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14441858 Eric from BBI said:
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defensive talent is better than this writer claims. The big problem at this point is gaining cohesion.


Absolutely!
The key to the growing pains is Antoine Bethea  
George from PA : 5/13/2019 7:11 pm : link
I also suspect he should help Ogletree, allowing him to play faster
A lot of these depth chart things are crap because of all the  
Bob in Newburgh : 5/14/2019 10:49 am : link
situation substitutions.

Take Latimer, because of his blocking ability against WRs, and because he can hurt a defense deep because of deep speed and all elements (size, strength, vj, snatch hands) of a vertical, maybe you want him starting on run downs. Does that make him the #1 or #2?

However, he does not the definition of quick open, so on passing downs maybe you don't want him in on these situations. So now what number does that make him?
RE: RE: RE: Our collection of WRs  
FJ : 5/14/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14441916 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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isn't really looking so great.



This is true, we have no true WR1.

On the flip side, at least we have Engram and Barkley which are definitely above-average receivers for their positions.



No top 15 paid RB has had more than 2 Receiving TDs in the past 10 seasons.

No RB in the past 15 years has ever tipped their stats where passing yards are actually meaningful.

Saquon has great hands, but his success will be defined by his running ability and that alone.


Suggest you check out Leveon Bell, David Johnson. Ray Rice, and Lesean McCoy for top RBs who have had very meaningful receiving numbers within the last 15 years.
Wr and the offense are the least of our worries  
djm : 5/18/2019 11:28 am : link
.. we replaced Beckham with a legit pro wr who does everything Beckham did in the short passing game and, call me crazy, may be even better in the short yac department as the stats show this to be true. Tate is a fine football player. Heís also less likely to miss extended periods of time, fwiw.

We didnít replace Beckham with an unknown 2nd round rookie or 2nd year unknown. Tate is a pro.

The offense will score 400 pts barring an injury epidemic.
RE: WR is a joke, hopefully  
GothamGiants : 5/18/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14441861 japanhead said:
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tate works out. he is older, and was crap for the eagles last year.


And he was on pace for another 1000+ yard season before a mideason trade to a completely different offense with Alston, 2 TEs, and N.A. Competing for targets

He wasnít ďcrapĒ at all - just didnít have the stats. He was well on pace for another good season before his trade
RE: RE: WR is a joke, hopefully  
GothamGiants : 5/18/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14448159 GothamGiants said:
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tate works out. he is older, and was crap for the eagles last year.



And he was on pace for another 1000+ yard season before a mideason trade to a completely different offense with Alston, 2 TEs, and N.A. Competing for targets

He wasnít ďcrapĒ at all - just didnít have the stats. He was well on pace for another good season before his trade


*AlsHon, not Alston ... but you already knew that
BBDBTS - You couldn't be more wrong about Barkley's  
BlueLou'sBack : 5/18/2019 8:20 pm : link
contribution to the passing game. Unless you consider the classic screen pass as a run play with wings...

There is a decent chance Barkley gets 1,000 yards receiving this year if he's healthy through 16 games.

And once the QB position is passed on to Jones, that tendency will only increase.

I think they'll want to get Saquon more breathers in short yardage situations, as others have suggested and as Smith's signing indicates. Not on passing downs.
Regarding our crap WRs  
Joey in VA : 5/18/2019 8:34 pm : link
They hung 27.5 per game with no Odell against pretty good defenses in Indy, Dallas and Philly. Add Slayton and Golden Tate to that, beef up the RG and RT from those games and it's looking pretty good to me.
RE: the  
AdamBrag : 5/18/2019 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14441858 Eric from BBI said:
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defensive talent is better than this writer claims. The big problem at this point is gaining cohesion.


You need to project rookies to be impactful and other players to take a big step forward in order to say the defensive talent isn't bottom tier in the NFL.

I'm not saying this to be negative. I just think this is a rebuilding year.
I went through rosters  
AdamBrag : 5/18/2019 10:19 pm : link
and I think there's an argument to be made the Giants are the 6th worst defense, on paper, in the NFL, so not bottom 5.

Defenses that look worse on paper:

Tampa Bay
Arizona
Miami
Cinci
Oakland
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