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Earth to Shurmur... time to bump Tanney down

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/13/2019 3:27 pm
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Today was the first full-team voluntary workouts with rookies joining the vets. Few notes, per source:
QB1: Eli, QB2: Tanney, QB3: Jones. Lauletta didn’t participate as he recovers from knee injury. Dungey worked with TEs.
Mike Remmers was in the building but didn’t participate.
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This is where a football coach  
JonC : 5/13/2019 3:30 pm : link
might diverge from what fans want to see, it typically represents who is where in the learning/mastery process, not just talent, upside, draft position, etc.
Eric  
allstarjim : 5/13/2019 3:31 pm : link
1st voluntary workout? Earth to Shurmur? C'mon man.
Rookies start from the bottom  
allstarjim : 5/13/2019 3:32 pm : link
Earn every promotion. Doesn't matter where you are drafted.
...  
90.Cal : 5/13/2019 3:32 pm : link
Get him out of town... give Eli all the reps and let Kyle and Daniel split whatever reps are leftover... no room for Tanney, he aint't coming back to hurt us.
Did I miss something?  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/13/2019 3:34 pm : link
How did Lauellta get injured, is it like a Darnold phantom injury?

A bad sign when one of your prospects always runs into problems.
Earth to Eric...  
GiantNatty : 5/13/2019 3:36 pm : link
time to bump Eli down. No chance we're winning a championship with him, so get the new kid some reps.
RE: Did I miss something?  
ron mexico : 5/13/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14442003 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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How did Lauellta get injured, is it like a Darnold phantom injury?

A bad sign when one of your prospects always runs into problems.


sounds more like a clean up / maintenance procedure than an injury, but not many details out there.

RE: Did I miss something?  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/13/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14442003 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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How did Lauellta get injured, is it like a Darnold phantom injury?

A bad sign when one of your prospects always runs into problems.

A Darnold phantom injury? JFC you're insufferable.
RE: This is where a football coach  
Big Blue '56 : 5/13/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14441993 JonC said:
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might diverge from what fans want to see, it typically represents who is where in the learning/mastery process, not just talent, upside, draft position, etc.


This
re: Tanney  
giants#1 : 5/13/2019 3:44 pm : link
I personally didn't see value in keeping him on the 53 last year, but at this point he's obviously much further along in the offense than Jones and since Jones is unlikely to play this season, it likely makes more sense for the rest of the second team offense to get snaps with Tanney who is comfortable in the offense than Jones.

Those 2nd teamers need to be ready to step into the full offense week 1 and some are likely de facto starters (e.g. 3rd WR).
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/13/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14441995 allstarjim said:
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1st voluntary workout? Earth to Shurmur? C'mon man.


Look, I fully understand rookies earning their stripes, but this is the #6 player in the draft. Tanney shouldn't even be on this roster come September.

Hell, look at Hal Hunter's transcript. He said our 7th round draft pick was going to be second on the depth chart (this was before Remmers signed).
Did Lauletta hyper extend his knee when he threw down the accelerator  
The_Boss : 5/13/2019 3:45 pm : link
That time he almost hit the cop with his car?
Tanney is the backup  
JonC : 5/13/2019 3:46 pm : link
until Jones unseats him.
Why cut Tanney  
cjac : 5/13/2019 3:47 pm : link
he has a career QB rating of 114 and 70% completion percentage.
I think fans are seriously underestimating....  
Tesla : 5/13/2019 3:48 pm : link
the chances that Tanney starts the season as the backup, and holds that role for a while, if not the entire season.

They did the same shit with Webb and Lauletta long after the seasons were lost for zero reason.

There is a real disconnect between what's best for the head coach and what's best for the organization going back several years now.

Jones being the #6 PROBABLY changes things, but not definitely.
RE: Tanney is the backup  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/13/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14442033 JonC said:
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until Jones unseats him.


Not when the guy is the #6 player taken in the draft and the other is the very definition of lower echelon journeyman. All significant reserve snaps should be given to Jones. Then Lauletta when he recovers.
He can also  
cjac : 5/13/2019 3:48 pm : link
hit both uprights and the crossbar on 1 knee from the 50 yard line
RE: RE: Tanney is the backup  
JonC : 5/13/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14442038 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14442033 JonC said:


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until Jones unseats him.



Not when the guy is the #6 player taken in the draft and the other is the very definition of lower echelon journeyman. All significant reserve snaps should be given to Jones. Then Lauletta when he recovers.


As a fan, I agree.

As one who played organized football, it doesn't often work that way. It's earned by demonstrating grasp.
i'm sure by the end of the preseason he'll be #2  
Platos : 5/13/2019 3:49 pm : link
doubt we see much Tanney in those games either.
Shurmur really  
Biteymax22 : 5/13/2019 3:50 pm : link
really likes Alex Tanney. He's already been kept on this roster over a 3rd round pick and seems likes he's on track to bump off another 4th rounder (Lauletta) this year.

With all respect to Shurmur, and maybe there's legitimately something there no one else see's but him, but are we really ever going to be in a situation where Alex is our guy? Quit wasting time, give Jones some reps.
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Pep22 : 5/13/2019 3:50 pm : link
I understand some of the dissenting opinions but side with Eric and hope NYG thinks "big picture" rather than beeing short-sighted (going w a 31 year old who is barely talented enough to merit journeyman status and the backup)
Tanney serves no functional purpose on this team come September  
Capt. Don : 5/13/2019 3:51 pm : link
So why waste reps on him now?

Frankly, I'd rather see Dungey get reps than Tanney.
RE: RE: Eric  
allstarjim : 5/13/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14442031 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14441995 allstarjim said:


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1st voluntary workout? Earth to Shurmur? C'mon man.



Look, I fully understand rookies earning their stripes, but this is the #6 player in the draft. Tanney shouldn't even be on this roster come September.

Hell, look at Hal Hunter's transcript. He said our 7th round draft pick was going to be second on the depth chart (this was before Remmers signed).


*COME SEPTEMBER*....see, I agree with that. And he probably won't be.
RE: RE: Tanney is the backup  
allstarjim : 5/13/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14442038 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14442033 JonC said:


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until Jones unseats him.



Not when the guy is the #6 player taken in the draft and the other is the very definition of lower echelon journeyman. All significant reserve snaps should be given to Jones. Then Lauletta when he recovers.


Maybe a little more patience than the first week of voluntary workouts.

If Jones isn't elevated to the #2 QB by the time camp breaks, I'll be surprised, and then you might have a gripe. But this is a marathon. He's just now digesting the playbook, getting familiarized with the organization, getting to know his teammates. No need to rush anything.
Much ado about nothing.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/13/2019 3:59 pm : link
Wake me up during training camp. If Tanney is stealing reps from Jones at that point then I will question the depth chart. Now? Doesn't mean anything other than Tanney has done what the staff has wanted over the last year plus.
Agree with Eric.  
RDJR : 5/13/2019 4:02 pm : link
Out with the old in with the new. However, the post referencing the disconnect from the “win now” mentality and building a winner has had a history here. I hope Shurmur is smarter than that.
RE: RE: RE: Tanney is the backup  
Jay on the Island : 5/13/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14442061 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14442033 JonC said:


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until Jones unseats him.



Not when the guy is the #6 player taken in the draft and the other is the very definition of lower echelon journeyman. All significant reserve snaps should be given to Jones. Then Lauletta when he recovers.



Maybe a little more patience than the first week of voluntary workouts.

If Jones isn't elevated to the #2 QB by the time camp breaks, I'll be surprised, and then you might have a gripe. But this is a marathon. He's just now digesting the playbook, getting familiarized with the organization, getting to know his teammates. No need to rush anything.

While I think Eric is overreacting just a bit I do understand where he is coming from. Under the new CBA the practice time is extremely limited so every rep is important. Jones has no long term future here. Even if Shurmur loves Tanney and wants him to be Jones backup and veteran mentor for the next few years there is no reason to give him more reps than Jones.
Look, I agree, as a fan, what’s the point in keeping  
Big Blue '56 : 5/13/2019 4:06 pm : link
a non-future on the roster. But unless there is little choice, there is a pecking order for (most?) coaches
I think Jones will begin the season as the #3  
BillT : 5/13/2019 4:08 pm : link
He’ll benefit from running the scout team for a while. It’s part of the learning process. But what do I know.
Comletely Agree with Eric  
ZogZerg : 5/13/2019 4:09 pm : link
Stop playing games. Tanney needs to move down to 3 pronto!
God I hope he's not planning to dress Tanney on Game day and have DJ stand in street clothes. Or worse, dress 3 QBs.
Kind of simple  
joeinpa : 5/13/2019 4:09 pm : link
Until Jones shows he gives Giants better chance to win should Eli get hurt during a game, Tanney will be # 2 on game day.

For Shurmur priority # 1 every Sunday, is win the game; The development of Jones will not take precedent over that.

Coaches see things differently than fans.

...  
christian : 5/13/2019 4:10 pm : link
The Giants owe the rest of the roster snaps with a QB who knows the offense. It's the only way to judge the other guys.

Once Jones knows the offense he's no. 2.

Hopefully Jones is spending more time with the staff getting up-to-speed.

But if anyone other than Jones is no. 2 come training camp, yikes.

Shurmur has an amazing opportunity to prove he's got the guts to do what Coughlin did in 2004.
Pretty meaningless but c'mon  
bluepepper : 5/13/2019 4:12 pm : link
anybody taken at 6 no matter the position should be higher than 3rd string on the depth chart.

RE: Did Lauletta hyper extend his knee when he threw down the accelerator  
.McL. : 5/13/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14442032 The_Boss said:
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That time he almost hit the cop with his car?


I was thinking along the same lines, except that maybe he took the turn hard and twisted sideways... ;)
RE: ...  
Big Blue '56 : 5/13/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14442101 christian said:
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The Giants owe the rest of the roster snaps with a QB who knows the offense. It's the only way to judge the other guys.

Once Jones knows the offense he's no. 2.

Hopefully Jones is spending more time with the staff getting up-to-speed.

But if anyone other than Jones is no. 2 come training camp, yikes.

Shurmur has an amazing opportunity to prove he's got the guts to do what Coughlin did in 2004.


Per usual, said much better than I could
RE: Kind of simple  
RDJR : 5/13/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14442094 joeinpa said:
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Until Jones shows he gives Giants better chance to win should Eli get hurt during a game, Tanney will be # 2 on game day.

For Shurmur priority # 1 every Sunday, is win the game; The development of Jones will not take precedent over that.

Coaches see things differently than fans.


There in lies the conflict between win now and building a winner. TC benched Warner for Eli with a winning record, albeit we were headed south. It was the right move to make for the long term prospects of the franchise. Hopefully Shurmur has the long term view in mind. DG’s win now comments certainly don’t help in this regard.
RE: Comletely Agree with Eric  
bw in dc : 5/13/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14442093 ZogZerg said:
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Stop playing games. Tanney needs to move down to 3 pronto!
God I hope he's not planning to dress Tanney on Game day and have DJ stand in street clothes. Or worse, dress 3 QBs.


If that happens - and that is an enormous IF - then we'd better start a deep evaluation of the 2020 QB class...
I think of the impact on culture...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/13/2019 4:21 pm : link
when spots are earned vs. awarded. With all the emphasis on culture and doing things the right way, that should be a big part of the Shurmur's thinking.

I think it's fine for DJ to earn the 2nd spot. The key though is to give him lots of opportunities.
RE: RE: Comletely Agree with Eric  
ron mexico : 5/13/2019 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14442122 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14442093 ZogZerg said:


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Stop playing games. Tanney needs to move down to 3 pronto!
God I hope he's not planning to dress Tanney on Game day and have DJ stand in street clothes. Or worse, dress 3 QBs.



If that happens - and that is an enormous IF - then we'd better start a deep evaluation of the 2020 QB class...


does it really matter? Eli is going to take every snap until he doesn't take any.

Tanner is there for a reason that will become obvious by Sept. 1  
Ivan15 : 5/13/2019 4:23 pm : link
so give it a rest.
RE: I think of the impact on culture...  
ron mexico : 5/13/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14442126 Dan in the Springs said:
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when spots are earned vs. awarded. With all the emphasis on culture and doing things the right way, that should be a big part of the Shurmur's thinking.

I think it's fine for DJ to earn the 2nd spot. The key though is to give him lots of opportunities.


he would probably be better off 3rd running the scout team than being 2nd and getting no work

RE: Tanney is the backup  
Go Terps : 5/13/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14442033 JonC said:
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until Jones unseats him.


I'm fine with that if they're operating in a vacuum, but they aren't. Are Jones or Tanney going to get an honest opportunity to unseat Eli in training camp? I doubt it.

There are only so many reps to go around. If I hear that the starters' reps are being divided equally amongst the QBs on the roster, great. Let the best man win. But if one guy is getting the lions' share of reps because of things that happened in '07-'11, before Jones was even in high school, the process is flawed.
RE: RE: RE: Comletely Agree with Eric  
bw in dc : 5/13/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14442127 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14442093 ZogZerg said:


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Stop playing games. Tanney needs to move down to 3 pronto!
God I hope he's not planning to dress Tanney on Game day and have DJ stand in street clothes. Or worse, dress 3 QBs.



If that happens - and that is an enormous IF - then we'd better start a deep evaluation of the 2020 QB class...



does it really matter? Eli is going to take every snap until he doesn't take any.


Indeed it does. Because as soon as Eli stops taking those snaps, the only other person who should be taking snaps is Jones. So Jones needs to be ready to go.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Comletely Agree with Eric  
ron mexico : 5/13/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14442138 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14442127 ron mexico said:


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In comment 14442122 bw in dc said:


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In comment 14442093 ZogZerg said:


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Stop playing games. Tanney needs to move down to 3 pronto!
God I hope he's not planning to dress Tanney on Game day and have DJ stand in street clothes. Or worse, dress 3 QBs.



If that happens - and that is an enormous IF - then we'd better start a deep evaluation of the 2020 QB class...



does it really matter? Eli is going to take every snap until he doesn't take any.




Indeed it does. Because as soon as Eli stops taking those snaps, the only other person who should be taking snaps is Jones. So Jones needs to be ready to go.


I get the feeling that like his brother, Eli leaves no snaps behind. So it doesn't matter who is #2. They both will get next to no snaps with the O and get the same prep time in the meeting room.

RE: I think of the impact on culture...  
RDJR : 5/13/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14442126 Dan in the Springs said:
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when spots are earned vs. awarded. With all the emphasis on culture and doing things the right way, that should be a big part of the Shurmur's thinking.

I think it's fine for DJ to earn the 2nd spot. The key though is to give him lots of opportunities.


The “culture” red herring makes an appearance. The “culture” of the NFL is typically a top 10 draft pick, the 2nd QB drafted, is higher on the depth chart than the likes of Alex Tanney. Shurmur may have inadvertently caused an unnecessary PR issue, as evidenced by this thread. Don’t need distractions.
Distractions is as much as a red herring  
ron mexico : 5/13/2019 4:33 pm : link
as culture, in my view
RE: Distractions is as much as a red herring  
RDJR : 5/13/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14442152 ron mexico said:
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as culture, in my view


Fair enough, although I’m sure the first question at the next presser will be, “why is DJ 3rd on the QB depth chart?” Maybe not a distraction, but certainly avoidable by bumping Tanney to 3.
Lol this guy literally got a playbook two weeks ago.  
Zeke's Alibi : 5/13/2019 4:40 pm : link
People need to relax.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Comletely Agree with Eric  
bw in dc : 5/13/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14442149 ron mexico said:
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Indeed it does. Because as soon as Eli stops taking those snaps, the only other person who should be taking snaps is Jones. So Jones needs to be ready to go.


I get the feeling that like his brother, Eli leaves no snaps behind. So it doesn't matter who is #2. They both will get next to no snaps with the O and get the same prep time in the meeting room.


The last thing this organization needs is the #6 QB taking a red-shirt year...
RE: RE: Distractions is as much as a red herring  
BigBlueShock : 5/13/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14442158 RDJR said:
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as culture, in my view



Fair enough, although I’m sure the first question at the next presser will be, “why is DJ 3rd on the QB depth chart?” Maybe not a distraction, but certainly avoidable by bumping Tanney to 3.

It’s incredibly laughable at this point that Giants fans continue to think that Gettleman and/or Shurmur actually give a rats ass about what the media says. The only people that care what the media says are the thin skinned fans that get their panties in a bunch over everything said.

The Giants aren’t making any decisions because they are worried about questions from the damned media. Come on now. If that’s not crystal clear to you yet, you should probably pay closer attention. I’d also recommend stop giving a shit about the media for yourself, too. But that’s your prerogative...
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