Dan Duggan
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Today was the first full-team voluntary workouts with rookies joining the vets. Few notes, per source:
QB1: Eli, QB2: Tanney, QB3: Jones. Lauletta didn’t participate as he recovers from knee injury. Dungey worked with TEs.
Mike Remmers was in the building but didn’t participate.
A bad sign when one of your prospects always runs into problems.
A bad sign when one of your prospects always runs into problems.
sounds more like a clean up / maintenance procedure than an injury, but not many details out there.
A bad sign when one of your prospects always runs into problems.
A Darnold phantom injury? JFC you're insufferable.
This
Those 2nd teamers need to be ready to step into the full offense week 1 and some are likely de facto starters (e.g. 3rd WR).
Look, I fully understand rookies earning their stripes, but this is the #6 player in the draft. Tanney shouldn't even be on this roster come September.
Hell, look at Hal Hunter's transcript. He said our 7th round draft pick was going to be second on the depth chart (this was before Remmers signed).
They did the same shit with Webb and Lauletta long after the seasons were lost for zero reason.
There is a real disconnect between what's best for the head coach and what's best for the organization going back several years now.
Jones being the #6 PROBABLY changes things, but not definitely.
Not when the guy is the #6 player taken in the draft and the other is the very definition of lower echelon journeyman. All significant reserve snaps should be given to Jones. Then Lauletta when he recovers.
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until Jones unseats him.
Not when the guy is the #6 player taken in the draft and the other is the very definition of lower echelon journeyman. All significant reserve snaps should be given to Jones. Then Lauletta when he recovers.
As a fan, I agree.
As one who played organized football, it doesn't often work that way. It's earned by demonstrating grasp.
With all respect to Shurmur, and maybe there's legitimately something there no one else see's but him, but are we really ever going to be in a situation where Alex is our guy? Quit wasting time, give Jones some reps.
Frankly, I'd rather see Dungey get reps than Tanney.
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1st voluntary workout? Earth to Shurmur? C'mon man.
Look, I fully understand rookies earning their stripes, but this is the #6 player in the draft. Tanney shouldn't even be on this roster come September.
Hell, look at Hal Hunter's transcript. He said our 7th round draft pick was going to be second on the depth chart (this was before Remmers signed).
*COME SEPTEMBER*....see, I agree with that. And he probably won't be.
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until Jones unseats him.
Not when the guy is the #6 player taken in the draft and the other is the very definition of lower echelon journeyman. All significant reserve snaps should be given to Jones. Then Lauletta when he recovers.
Maybe a little more patience than the first week of voluntary workouts.
If Jones isn't elevated to the #2 QB by the time camp breaks, I'll be surprised, and then you might have a gripe. But this is a marathon. He's just now digesting the playbook, getting familiarized with the organization, getting to know his teammates. No need to rush anything.
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until Jones unseats him.
Not when the guy is the #6 player taken in the draft and the other is the very definition of lower echelon journeyman. All significant reserve snaps should be given to Jones. Then Lauletta when he recovers.
Maybe a little more patience than the first week of voluntary workouts.
If Jones isn't elevated to the #2 QB by the time camp breaks, I'll be surprised, and then you might have a gripe. But this is a marathon. He's just now digesting the playbook, getting familiarized with the organization, getting to know his teammates. No need to rush anything.
While I think Eric is overreacting just a bit I do understand where he is coming from. Under the new CBA the practice time is extremely limited so every rep is important. Jones has no long term future here. Even if Shurmur loves Tanney and wants him to be Jones backup and veteran mentor for the next few years there is no reason to give him more reps than Jones.
God I hope he's not planning to dress Tanney on Game day and have DJ stand in street clothes. Or worse, dress 3 QBs.
For Shurmur priority # 1 every Sunday, is win the game; The development of Jones will not take precedent over that.
Coaches see things differently than fans.
Once Jones knows the offense he's no. 2.
Hopefully Jones is spending more time with the staff getting up-to-speed.
But if anyone other than Jones is no. 2 come training camp, yikes.
Shurmur has an amazing opportunity to prove he's got the guts to do what Coughlin did in 2004.
I was thinking along the same lines, except that maybe he took the turn hard and twisted sideways... ;)
Once Jones knows the offense he's no. 2.
Hopefully Jones is spending more time with the staff getting up-to-speed.
But if anyone other than Jones is no. 2 come training camp, yikes.
Shurmur has an amazing opportunity to prove he's got the guts to do what Coughlin did in 2004.
Per usual, said much better than I could
For Shurmur priority # 1 every Sunday, is win the game; The development of Jones will not take precedent over that.
Coaches see things differently than fans.
There in lies the conflict between win now and building a winner. TC benched Warner for Eli with a winning record, albeit we were headed south. It was the right move to make for the long term prospects of the franchise. Hopefully Shurmur has the long term view in mind. DG’s win now comments certainly don’t help in this regard.
God I hope he's not planning to dress Tanney on Game day and have DJ stand in street clothes. Or worse, dress 3 QBs.
If that happens - and that is an enormous IF - then we'd better start a deep evaluation of the 2020 QB class...
I think it's fine for DJ to earn the 2nd spot. The key though is to give him lots of opportunities.
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Stop playing games. Tanney needs to move down to 3 pronto!
God I hope he's not planning to dress Tanney on Game day and have DJ stand in street clothes. Or worse, dress 3 QBs.
If that happens - and that is an enormous IF - then we'd better start a deep evaluation of the 2020 QB class...
does it really matter? Eli is going to take every snap until he doesn't take any.
I think it's fine for DJ to earn the 2nd spot. The key though is to give him lots of opportunities.
he would probably be better off 3rd running the scout team than being 2nd and getting no work
I'm fine with that if they're operating in a vacuum, but they aren't. Are Jones or Tanney going to get an honest opportunity to unseat Eli in training camp? I doubt it.
There are only so many reps to go around. If I hear that the starters' reps are being divided equally amongst the QBs on the roster, great. Let the best man win. But if one guy is getting the lions' share of reps because of things that happened in '07-'11, before Jones was even in high school, the process is flawed.
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Stop playing games. Tanney needs to move down to 3 pronto!
God I hope he's not planning to dress Tanney on Game day and have DJ stand in street clothes. Or worse, dress 3 QBs.
If that happens - and that is an enormous IF - then we'd better start a deep evaluation of the 2020 QB class...
does it really matter? Eli is going to take every snap until he doesn't take any.
Indeed it does. Because as soon as Eli stops taking those snaps, the only other person who should be taking snaps is Jones. So Jones needs to be ready to go.
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In comment 14442093 ZogZerg said:
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Stop playing games. Tanney needs to move down to 3 pronto!
God I hope he's not planning to dress Tanney on Game day and have DJ stand in street clothes. Or worse, dress 3 QBs.
If that happens - and that is an enormous IF - then we'd better start a deep evaluation of the 2020 QB class...
does it really matter? Eli is going to take every snap until he doesn't take any.
Indeed it does. Because as soon as Eli stops taking those snaps, the only other person who should be taking snaps is Jones. So Jones needs to be ready to go.
I get the feeling that like his brother, Eli leaves no snaps behind. So it doesn't matter who is #2. They both will get next to no snaps with the O and get the same prep time in the meeting room.
I think it's fine for DJ to earn the 2nd spot. The key though is to give him lots of opportunities.
The “culture” red herring makes an appearance. The “culture” of the NFL is typically a top 10 draft pick, the 2nd QB drafted, is higher on the depth chart than the likes of Alex Tanney. Shurmur may have inadvertently caused an unnecessary PR issue, as evidenced by this thread. Don’t need distractions.
Fair enough, although I’m sure the first question at the next presser will be, “why is DJ 3rd on the QB depth chart?” Maybe not a distraction, but certainly avoidable by bumping Tanney to 3.
Indeed it does. Because as soon as Eli stops taking those snaps, the only other person who should be taking snaps is Jones. So Jones needs to be ready to go.
I get the feeling that like his brother, Eli leaves no snaps behind. So it doesn't matter who is #2. They both will get next to no snaps with the O and get the same prep time in the meeting room.
The last thing this organization needs is the #6 QB taking a red-shirt year...
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as culture, in my view
Fair enough, although I’m sure the first question at the next presser will be, “why is DJ 3rd on the QB depth chart?” Maybe not a distraction, but certainly avoidable by bumping Tanney to 3.
It’s incredibly laughable at this point that Giants fans continue to think that Gettleman and/or Shurmur actually give a rats ass about what the media says. The only people that care what the media says are the thin skinned fans that get their panties in a bunch over everything said.
The Giants aren’t making any decisions because they are worried about questions from the damned media. Come on now. If that’s not crystal clear to you yet, you should probably pay closer attention. I’d also recommend stop giving a shit about the media for yourself, too. But that’s your prerogative...