Veteran offensive linemen form a cohesive unit much faster than rookies. Adding Zeitler and Remmers will have a big impact on Barkley and that's not counting the improvement that we will see from Hernandez next season. Also Halapio should be an upgrade over Pulley and Greco.
about this signing. He's definitely an upgrade over Wheeler. But I wouldn't expect anything more than average from him, and that's only if he stays healthy. Back injuries have a way of becoming chronic.
But my expectations were tempered when reading the NFL board on Reddit. A lot of Vikings fans and Panthers fans were pretty down on him.
1. He got beat by Von Miller in the SB, so panthers fans hate him
2. The Vikings played him out of position at G after giving him a big contract to play RT. He played poorly at G and was let go.
Did a very good job picking up stunts. The same page without doubt.
I have not seen a NY O-line do that in ages.
You caught that too? We've been dreadful picking up stunts on the right side for years and years.
Chalk it up to such dreadful play that has caused selective amnesia. After picking up Jamon Brown off waivers last year, he was playing in his first game against San Fran. After a San Fran turnover in the red zone, Eli threw a TD that was only possible because Jamon picked up a stunt. BBI and the collective wisdom of the game thread was ready to cast Brown's bust in Canton. Jamon Brown's Stunt Show
noticed the good technique in handling stunts. It also jumped out at me when he got his hands on his man it was over. There are going to be some pretty good holes on the right side with him and Zeitler. The competition will be good for Wheeler, especially if Remmer’s back acts up.
But my expectations were tempered when reading the NFL board on Reddit. A lot of Vikings fans and Panthers fans were pretty down on him.
He's a career journeyman. He's a short term pickup, not really a solution. It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place.
This again.
The fact is, once he was given a shot, he stuck. Two-and-a-half years with Carolina, starting every game, regular season and post-season, and then he left in free agency for Minnesota.
In his first year there he started eleven games at RT before getting hurt. His second year they moved him to RG and he started all 16 regular season games. Yes, he struggled at RG and the Vikings released him, and then he finally had the surgery to repair the injury to his lower back he'd suffered the previous year.
Good stuff...uncharted territory the last few years
I’m sure Eli was shocked as well.
Sadly... you watch the rest of it... a stunt isn’t even recognized
We have been conditioned by such crappy play at RG that BBI was shocked by that play. I was part of the elation in the game thread. Who knows what happens if Brown didn't pick it up, but Eli would have taken a brutal hit. Now, Brown wasn't everything we had hoped as the season wore on. But he was the best RG we have had in years. There were plenty of threads in December speculating on what sort of contract we could sign him for. Thank goodness for Zeitler. He will provide stability on the right side which will help Halapio and Remmers.
One thing i noticed watching his highlight video. I could predict if it was going to be a run or pass play just by watching his back leg. Never really focused on that before. Not sure if all lineman do that.
Notice the man's run blocking in the video. He and Zeitler are going to create some big lanes over there.
Exactly, this will allow Barkley to run free and give Eli a chance to be a play action QB again, what he is best at. And from a future perspective, nothing helps out a young QB more than a solid offensive line.
He's yet another step in the right direction. Best put, he's what Parcells called a "hold the fort" type of player until the cavalry arrives. The fort is being held by Remmers and Halapio at Center. These two positions still need to be completely solidified.
At least RT is not an embarrassment anymore. Worst case scenario for Remmers is that he's a JAG, which is still better than Wheeler. Solders stil has some good years in him, but in another 2 to 3 years, he needs to be replaced too. That will be because of age in all likelihood, so there's still a lot of work to do. My one fear is that Halapio is s clear liability. Him not being replaced by someone who is at least not a JAG is very worrisome to me.
But my expectations were tempered when reading the NFL board on Reddit. A lot of Vikings fans and Panthers fans were pretty down on him.
He's a career journeyman. He's a short term pickup, not really a solution. It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place.
This again.
The fact is, once he was given a shot, he stuck. Two-and-a-half years with Carolina, starting every game, regular season and post-season, and then he left in free agency for Minnesota.
In his first year there he started eleven games at RT before getting hurt. His second year they moved him to RG and he started all 16 regular season games. Yes, he struggled at RG and the Vikings released him, and then he finally had the surgery to repair the injury to his lower back he'd suffered the previous year.
He was with four teams in camps before he stuck, a non-player until his age 26 season. Whatever you want to call it is up to you, but now he's 30 with back issues. I don't know what you're objecting to. It's quite literally the definition of journeyman.
He's a career journeyman. He's a short term pickup, not really a solution. It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place.
This again.
The fact is, once he was given a shot, he stuck. Two-and-a-half years with Carolina, starting every game, regular season and post-season, and then he left in free agency for Minnesota.
In his first year there he started eleven games at RT before getting hurt. His second year they moved him to RG and he started all 16 regular season games. Yes, he struggled at RG and the Vikings released him, and then he finally had the surgery to repair the injury to his lower back he'd suffered the previous year.
He was with four teams in camps before he stuck, a non-player until his age 26 season. Whatever you want to call it is up to you, but now he's 30 with back issues. I don't know what you're objecting to. It's quite literally the definition of journeyman.
The fact remains that he did stick, so to say, " It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place" is not accurate. It's just like saying, "Remmers has been with eight teams in eight years." Technically, that's true, but without any context, it's deceptive.
I don't object to calling him a "journeyman." I don't object to calling him a "short term pickup," either. Is he a solution? That depends on what your problem is, and if it's that you need someone who's capable of playing Right Tackle for a season, problem solved.
There's no reason to knock this move or demean the player. It seems to me that negativity has become a reflex action around here. I guess that's understandable considering how bad the team has been for the last eight years, but still, when a step is taken in the right direction - even a baby step - it would be nice to see it accepted, if not applauded.
provided his back is healed up and ready to go. Buys DG a year to see if they can develop the UK rookie and/or hit the position against next offseason.
Did a very good job picking up stunts. The same page without doubt.
I have not seen a NY O-line do that in ages.
You caught that too? We've been dreadful picking up stunts on the right side for years and years.
I love Gettlemans Plan! He literally turned the team over in 2 years. Just wow. This team is getting deeper and smarter and tougher and one I will want to root for.
He's a career journeyman. He's a short term pickup, not really a solution. It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place.
This again.
The fact is, once he was given a shot, he stuck. Two-and-a-half years with Carolina, starting every game, regular season and post-season, and then he left in free agency for Minnesota.
In his first year there he started eleven games at RT before getting hurt. His second year they moved him to RG and he started all 16 regular season games. Yes, he struggled at RG and the Vikings released him, and then he finally had the surgery to repair the injury to his lower back he'd suffered the previous year.
He was with four teams in camps before he stuck, a non-player until his age 26 season. Whatever you want to call it is up to you, but now he's 30 with back issues. I don't know what you're objecting to. It's quite literally the definition of journeyman.
The fact remains that he did stick, so to say, " It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place" is not accurate. It's just like saying, "Remmers has been with eight teams in eight years." Technically, that's true, but without any context, it's deceptive.
I don't object to calling him a "journeyman." I don't object to calling him a "short term pickup," either. Is he a solution? That depends on what your problem is, and if it's that you need someone who's capable of playing Right Tackle for a season, problem solved.
There's no reason to knock this move or demean the player. It seems to me that negativity has become a reflex action around here. I guess that's understandable considering how bad the team has been for the last eight years, but still, when a step is taken in the right direction - even a baby step - it would be nice to see it accepted, if not applauded.
I don't think calling him a short term pickup is trashing the move. Maybe it's just not positive enough for your taste, but I'm not killing the fact they signed him.
journeyman is always spun negatively too. It's not a bad thing - it means he's a legit NFL player.
Sure it means he's not an above average player - but you need average guys too. And lots of them.
True ... some also don’t seem to realize that an “average” RT will look like Kareem McKenzie compared to the Hart/Wheeler disasters we’ve been trottting out for years.
An average RT is still a significant upgrade to this OL. He is not a “savior”, but he is a big improvement. At the cost he signed for, it’s a brilliant acquisition ... and yet, some people will still cry about it.
We're going to run. Try and stop us.
Veteran offensive linemen form a cohesive unit much faster than rookies. Adding Zeitler and Remmers will have a big impact on Barkley and that's not counting the improvement that we will see from Hernandez next season. Also Halapio should be an upgrade over Pulley and Greco.
If they cannot, this offensive will much like last year -- huge numbers from Barkley -- but a pedestrian run game.
What can't happen is volume passing to Barkley at a low YPC.
You can put lipstick on that pig and call it an extension of the run game, but what it really means is fewer big plays and yards.
I have not seen a NY O-line do that in ages.
Not to mention the other side where Solder and Hernandez are both good run blockers.
I have not seen a NY O-line do that in ages.
You caught that too? We've been dreadful picking up stunts on the right side for years and years.
It’s actually an “unbalanced” OL
Unbalanced OL - ( New Window )
1. He got beat by Von Miller in the SB, so panthers fans hate him
2. The Vikings played him out of position at G after giving him a big contract to play RT. He played poorly at G and was let go.
He's a career journeyman. He's a short term pickup, not really a solution. It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place.
i see what you did there
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Did a very good job picking up stunts. The same page without doubt.
I have not seen a NY O-line do that in ages.
You caught that too? We've been dreadful picking up stunts on the right side for years and years.
Chalk it up to such dreadful play that has caused selective amnesia. After picking up Jamon Brown off waivers last year, he was playing in his first game against San Fran. After a San Fran turnover in the red zone, Eli threw a TD that was only possible because Jamon picked up a stunt. BBI and the collective wisdom of the game thread was ready to cast Brown's bust in Canton. Jamon Brown's Stunt Show
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But my expectations were tempered when reading the NFL board on Reddit. A lot of Vikings fans and Panthers fans were pretty down on him.
He's a career journeyman. He's a short term pickup, not really a solution. It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place.
This again.
The fact is, once he was given a shot, he stuck. Two-and-a-half years with Carolina, starting every game, regular season and post-season, and then he left in free agency for Minnesota.
In his first year there he started eleven games at RT before getting hurt. His second year they moved him to RG and he started all 16 regular season games. Yes, he struggled at RG and the Vikings released him, and then he finally had the surgery to repair the injury to his lower back he'd suffered the previous year.
I’m sure Eli was shocked as well.
Sadly... you watch the rest of it... a stunt isn’t even recognized
They drafted right tackle Brian O'Neill in round 2 last year.
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Why would Minn move up a decent RT to a position where he’s not so good?
They drafted right tackle Brian O'Neill in round 2 last year.
And they also had 2016 UDFA Rashod Hill, whom they're pretty high on.
Also note that Remmers could have restructured his contract to stay with the Vikings, but he chose not to.
I’m sure Eli was shocked as well.
Sadly... you watch the rest of it... a stunt isn’t even recognized
We have been conditioned by such crappy play at RG that BBI was shocked by that play. I was part of the elation in the game thread. Who knows what happens if Brown didn't pick it up, but Eli would have taken a brutal hit. Now, Brown wasn't everything we had hoped as the season wore on. But he was the best RG we have had in years. There were plenty of threads in December speculating on what sort of contract we could sign him for. Thank goodness for Zeitler. He will provide stability on the right side which will help Halapio and Remmers.
But this is good stuff...
For once in years The Giants have a starting point. Not a Chinese Fire Dril
As for Wheeler? He looked the part from day one. Guess it’s up to him now.
Welcome to Big Blue.
Exactly, this will allow Barkley to run free and give Eli a chance to be a play action QB again, what he is best at. And from a future perspective, nothing helps out a young QB more than a solid offensive line.
At least RT is not an embarrassment anymore. Worst case scenario for Remmers is that he's a JAG, which is still better than Wheeler. Solders stil has some good years in him, but in another 2 to 3 years, he needs to be replaced too. That will be because of age in all likelihood, so there's still a lot of work to do. My one fear is that Halapio is s clear liability. Him not being replaced by someone who is at least not a JAG is very worrisome to me.
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But my expectations were tempered when reading the NFL board on Reddit. A lot of Vikings fans and Panthers fans were pretty down on him.
He's a career journeyman. He's a short term pickup, not really a solution. It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place.
This again.
The fact is, once he was given a shot, he stuck. Two-and-a-half years with Carolina, starting every game, regular season and post-season, and then he left in free agency for Minnesota.
In his first year there he started eleven games at RT before getting hurt. His second year they moved him to RG and he started all 16 regular season games. Yes, he struggled at RG and the Vikings released him, and then he finally had the surgery to repair the injury to his lower back he'd suffered the previous year.
He was with four teams in camps before he stuck, a non-player until his age 26 season. Whatever you want to call it is up to you, but now he's 30 with back issues. I don't know what you're objecting to. It's quite literally the definition of journeyman.
But this is good stuff...
For once in years The Giants have a starting point. Not a Chinese Fire Dril
As for Wheeler? He looked the part from day one. Guess it’s up to him now.
I'm with you brother lono!
If they cannot, this offensive will much like last year -- huge numbers from Barkley -- but a pedestrian run game.
What can't happen is volume passing to Barkley at a low YPC.
You can put lipstick on that pig and call it an extension of the run game, but what it really means is fewer big plays and yards.
Constant passes to the flats are a no no, the sideline is a huge help for would be tacklers. Let Barkley kill tacklers in the middle of the field.
This again.
The fact is, once he was given a shot, he stuck. Two-and-a-half years with Carolina, starting every game, regular season and post-season, and then he left in free agency for Minnesota.
In his first year there he started eleven games at RT before getting hurt. His second year they moved him to RG and he started all 16 regular season games. Yes, he struggled at RG and the Vikings released him, and then he finally had the surgery to repair the injury to his lower back he'd suffered the previous year.
He was with four teams in camps before he stuck, a non-player until his age 26 season. Whatever you want to call it is up to you, but now he's 30 with back issues. I don't know what you're objecting to. It's quite literally the definition of journeyman.
The fact remains that he did stick, so to say, " It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place" is not accurate. It's just like saying, "Remmers has been with eight teams in eight years." Technically, that's true, but without any context, it's deceptive.
I don't object to calling him a "journeyman." I don't object to calling him a "short term pickup," either. Is he a solution? That depends on what your problem is, and if it's that you need someone who's capable of playing Right Tackle for a season, problem solved.
There's no reason to knock this move or demean the player. It seems to me that negativity has become a reflex action around here. I guess that's understandable considering how bad the team has been for the last eight years, but still, when a step is taken in the right direction - even a baby step - it would be nice to see it accepted, if not applauded.
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Did a very good job picking up stunts. The same page without doubt.
I have not seen a NY O-line do that in ages.
You caught that too? We've been dreadful picking up stunts on the right side for years and years.
I love Gettlemans Plan! He literally turned the team over in 2 years. Just wow. This team is getting deeper and smarter and tougher and one I will want to root for.
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He's a career journeyman. He's a short term pickup, not really a solution. It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place.
This again.
The fact is, once he was given a shot, he stuck. Two-and-a-half years with Carolina, starting every game, regular season and post-season, and then he left in free agency for Minnesota.
In his first year there he started eleven games at RT before getting hurt. His second year they moved him to RG and he started all 16 regular season games. Yes, he struggled at RG and the Vikings released him, and then he finally had the surgery to repair the injury to his lower back he'd suffered the previous year.
He was with four teams in camps before he stuck, a non-player until his age 26 season. Whatever you want to call it is up to you, but now he's 30 with back issues. I don't know what you're objecting to. It's quite literally the definition of journeyman.
The fact remains that he did stick, so to say, " It's a guy that's never really stuck in one place" is not accurate. It's just like saying, "Remmers has been with eight teams in eight years." Technically, that's true, but without any context, it's deceptive.
I don't object to calling him a "journeyman." I don't object to calling him a "short term pickup," either. Is he a solution? That depends on what your problem is, and if it's that you need someone who's capable of playing Right Tackle for a season, problem solved.
There's no reason to knock this move or demean the player. It seems to me that negativity has become a reflex action around here. I guess that's understandable considering how bad the team has been for the last eight years, but still, when a step is taken in the right direction - even a baby step - it would be nice to see it accepted, if not applauded.
I don't think calling him a short term pickup is trashing the move. Maybe it's just not positive enough for your taste, but I'm not killing the fact they signed him.
This OL, once an embarrassment and major liability, will be “above average” this year.
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plays on that video, he is lined up at LT.
It’s actually an “unbalanced” OL
Unbalanced OL - ( New Window )
Sure it means he's not an above average player - but you need average guys too. And lots of them.
Sure it means he's not an above average player - but you need average guys too. And lots of them.
True ... some also don’t seem to realize that an “average” RT will look like Kareem McKenzie compared to the Hart/Wheeler disasters we’ve been trottting out for years.
An average RT is still a significant upgrade to this OL. He is not a “savior”, but he is a big improvement. At the cost he signed for, it’s a brilliant acquisition ... and yet, some people will still cry about it.