Giants Fans...what are your thoughts on Shurmer

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A glorified McAdoo?

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In comment 14442562 robbieballs2003 said:

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What is he? 5-79 in his coaching career?

Guy is Grade A loser, we'll worry about spelling his name correctly when he wins.

But leaning towards a negative view. At the time of the hire, I was excited about his offense and the hire of Bettcher to the staff, but his bland personality seemed like it could be a problem.

What I learned was his clock management was awful and other coaches out coached him, but I was surprised at his leadership in holding the locker room together.

I've seen enough of him.

He lost us that Eagles game in Philly.

I'm not gonna shit on him for his career record. No one could win many games with last year's Giants team or the group in Cleveland when he was there.

In comment 14442598 yatqb said:

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I'm not gonna shit on him for his career record. No one could win many games with last year's Giants team or the group in Cleveland when he was there.

Record should've been better then because he cannot coach

Not like he didn't have OBJ Barkley and the mighty Evan Engram

Yes, I’m including late 30s Eli

That's one thing that really stood out to me

But given what happened last year and his tenure with the Browns, he may just be a better coordinator than HC, ala Norv Turner.

He's calm cool and collected with the press and he's a former OL who knows what it takes to win. He's got a presence, he's honest, and he is sincere about winning and integrity, that's enough for me. I have seen winners and I think he is one. He's a steady hand with a good football mind, that's not a bad combination.

but personality isn't the most important thing if he's competent and respected. If he can learn from his mistakes, keep continuity going on offense, and do a good job hiring assistants he can be successful.

Honestly, every team should have someone on staff to tell the hc when to call timeouts and how to min/max exposure with regard to the clock. An alarming number of coaches share this deficiency.

I like the guy he is. The roster he had last season was cruddy. I like his offensive scheme and playcalling. As a time manager and game decision coach he didn't impress me last season. So for me the jury is still out and this season will be the determining factor and it's not all about wins and losses for me.

Let's see what he does this year with better players.

but I think if he only wins 5-6 games next year he's out unless Jones gets in an shows that he's good and or demonstrates improvement over the course of the season.

for gettleman in a list of coaches he wanted. cant recall who floated it, one of the insider/asshat types (bill2 i want to say)..

if that is in fact the case, it's hard not to be disappointed. i will say it appears he's at least better than mcadoo.

In comment 14442650 japanhead said:

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for gettleman in a list of coaches he wanted. cant recall who floated it, one of the insider/asshat types (bill2 i want to say).. if that is in fact the case, it's hard not to be disappointed. i will say it appears he's at least better than mcadoo.

Fwiw, I recall people saying Patricia was the #1 target.

Even after some brutal losses and key injuries. They fought for him all season, I think that speaks volumes.

He's gonna be an excellent head coach for the Giants for years to come.

And the posters on this site who cheered it on made me sick.

Coughlin and Parcells are on the far right side of coaches bell curve, Mcadoo, Fassell, Reeves, Handley and likely Shurmur are on the left hand or middle of the curve, statistically speaking. Welcome to coaching hell.

Well at least even weasel Fassell got us to the SB to get our ass kicked :/

He seems like a nice guy.

He inherited a very bad team and only had one year to right the ship. One good sign is that the team didn't lay down and quit on him after it became obvious that the season was lost.

like others we've seen do. The jury is still out but I'm more positive than negative.

...with a very suspect head coaching record:

Cleveland Browns
2011 (4-12)
2012 (5-12)

Philadelphia Eagles (Interim)
2015 (1-0)

New York Giants
2018 (5-12)

Very easy to argue that he didn't have very much in his three full years as head coach, so he has that going for him.

My guess is that the real pressure on him is not necessarily posting a winning record in 2019, but if he ends up with losing records in both 2019 and 2020, then he is gone.

I like his demeaner, seems like a good man.....there are things I like and there are things I dont....winning cures everything

Not convinced he s the guy, but won’t overreact and join the crowd that wants him gone now.

His head coaching resume is abysmal, but the circumstances surrounding that record should be considered.

However, losing can become a habit so he needs to start winning sooner rather than later.

But for what it is worth, for now, I m undecided on him as the Giants coach.

But I m guessing the Giants wouldn’t put much stock in my opinion 😄

In comment 14442645 Torrag said:

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I like the guy he is. The roster he had last season was cruddy. I like his offensive scheme and playcalling. As a time manager and game decision coach he didn't impress me last season. So for me the jury is still out and this season will be the determining factor and it's not all about wins and losses for me.

Great post! My thoughts exactly and I would add that he is very good with the media which is not easy in NY/NJ.

I want him to be successful.

In comment 14442635 Diversify yo bonds said:

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Honestly, every team should have someone on staff to tell the hc when to call timeouts and how to min/max exposure with regard to the clock. An alarming number of coaches share this deficiency.

Parcels used to use Ray Handley in that role if I recall. Not such a far-fetched idea.

I haven't been blown away with him, but I did like how he held the team together still fighting after they had nothing left to play for.

And to be fair, I feel the same way about DG. I was never a fan of either hire.

He seems pretty milk toast. Everything I heard about him is how good he is with developing QBs...so I hope we see that in his relationship with Dr. Jones.

He has a great chance ot show what he can do during the 2020 season. That;s the key year imo the team should have enough talent between another draft and FA to show us what they all got.

The same with DG the same with JB etc.

In comment 14442802 Bold Ruler said:

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He seems pretty milk toast.

I divide coaches into two branches, Landry and Lombardi. Parcells was on the Lombardi branch. Coughlin too. Shurmur lands on the Landry branch. Same with Belichick, Bill Walsh, and Joe Gibbs. I kind of prefer the Landry branch. I think it gives you a better chance for sustainable success.
p.s.--There's a third branch which I call the Hank Stram branch, but we won't go there.

a definite opinion on a guy that is here only one year and inherited a steaming pile of shit of a team. He did eff up a couple games with clock management. He did start 1-7, but kept the team together, finished relatively strong despite injuries and players being dealt.
My initial assessment is that he is pretty decent, but let's see what happens this year. Clock management needs to improve for sure(and some game management, too.)

As far as previous time with Cleveland - means nothing. Cleveland was an even bigger pile of shit than the Giants and their GMs sucked worse.

Also, Parcells was 3-12-1 in his 1st season and he had better talent than what Shurmur had last year.

In comment 14442617 Joey in VA said:

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He's calm cool and collected with the press and he's a former OL who knows what it takes to win. He's got a presence, he's honest, and he is sincere about winning and integrity, that's enough for me. I have seen winners and I think he is one. He's a steady hand with a good football mind, that's not a bad combination.

yes i fully agree w this assessment. He got kneecapped in Cleveland. Thats not going to happen here. He has a good talent evaluator team builder in Gettledog too

He's a very likable guy and easy to root for. Kind of reminds me of Steve Spagnuolo in that way.

Definitely understands what it takes to win games and has shown to be imaginative in his play-calling, which is very refreshing.

My only gripe about him really, is that some of his decisions (timeouts, challenges) late in games have been questionable. I'd like to see that improve. I think he's a guy you can win with though.

is pretty flat. There are some select, excellent coaches, and a lot of average coaches.


Excellent coaches elevate talent around them. Average coaches depend more heavily on roster construction and having the necessary playmakers and coaching staff. I'd say Shurmur needs a good team built for him that he can manage.

and the talent level was poor but my God was he brutal at clock mgmt, personnel usage, etc, last season.

I could have killed him during the second Philly game last year. Wanted him dead. The awfulness that was the end of the 1st half of the Atlanta game was beyond piss poor too.

Absolutely no excuse for that.

His record speaks for itself.

Saying he's an improvement on McAdoo? I'm not even sure that's true.

and I always root for nice people to succeed, but last year was not promising and it was more than the game management in the Philly game. We lost a lot of close games and he mismanaged many of those loses.

too many basic mistakes with clock management, decisions, personnel, sometimes shows no feel for the game flow.

Seems like a decent man, might be best suited to OC.

In comment 14442909 JonC said:

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too many basic mistakes with clock management, decisions, personnel, sometimes shows no feel for the game flow. Seems like a decent man, might be best suited to OC.

Nailed it ... he’s a great OC in over his head - and it shows during in-game mismanagement

had a really rough start, remember the interview I think after week one on Francesca. Just brutal. Having to deal with Flowers failure. As the season went on all under duress I started to think he may be able to make a difference. I hope I am right as he is a good person who took on this job that I am sure he knew would be difficult with Eli's career winding down and a rebuild coming.

In comment 14442567 RicosRoidedElbow said:

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What is he? 5-79 in his coaching career? Guy is Grade A loser, we'll worry about spelling his name correctly when he wins.

5/19! What dupe is this? Guesses?

he spent plenty of time reviewing his in game mgmt. from last season and it won't repeat itself.

You have to scout yourself too.

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He is just an average head Coach his offense looks ok but that maybe because we compare it to McAdoo which was a joke around the league. However, the guy needs to put together a .500 season or close to it or he is gone his overall record speaks for itself.