Giants Fans...what are your thoughts on Shurmer

I'm over him -- but right now I think he's a good coach

btw -- Peterson was awful in his first year and made similar clock management boo boos --

his play calling seemed repetitive. either that or we sucked so bad eli kept checking down/bailing on the play.

i still don't understand the QB whisperer label he gets. who besides keenum has he built up?

In comment 14442597 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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He lost us that Eagles game in Philly.

He lost the game? Really? The coach who did not play one down?

In comment 14442690 M.S. said:

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...with a very suspect head coaching record: Cleveland Browns 2011 (4-12) 2012 (5-12) Philadelphia Eagles (Interim) 2015 (1-0) New York Giants 2018 (5-12) Very easy to argue that he didn't have very much in his three full years as head coach, so he has that going for him. My guess is that the real pressure on him is not necessarily posting a winning record in 2019, but if he ends up with losing records in both 2019 and 2020, then he is gone.

He Won 9 games in 2 years in Cleveland. Going into 2018, Cleveland had won 11 games in the four seasons after his firing. Lets not judge him too much based on the Circus that has been Cleveland since '99

This year and next will determine whether he was the right choice. Both W's and L's and DJ's development.

In comment 14443052 Platos said:

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his play calling seemed repetitive. either that or we sucked so bad eli kept checking down/bailing on the play. i still don't understand the QB whisperer label he gets. who besides keenum has he built up?

he is credited with foles and bradford having had good seasons.

In comment 14443047 gidiefor said:

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I'm over him

Got a chuckle out of me, thanks!

In comment 14443244 djstat said:

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In comment 14442597 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: He lost us that Eagles game in Philly. He lost the game? Really? The coach who did not play one down?

Well, the coach who decides what players play, yeah.

Bad hire along with the worse hire of Gettelman. Now bad QB decision, we will be hoping for an Eli extension. For real, this fish stinks from head to tail.

In comment 14442597 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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He lost us that Eagles game in Philly.

Looking back now, I’m glad he did. We may have been drafting at 10 or thereabouts instead of 6.

We have to look at his body of work. He carries himself well and is well spoken and appears to have common sense. Coaching is truly the most underrated aspect of the NFL game. It doesn't always fall on the head coaches ability to coach but all the coaches he surrounds himself with that will make a difference in the product that's put on the field.

With that said I'm comfortable with Shurmur... We'll have a better idea after his 2nd year....

Nothing unique or special about him.

I just don't know if he has that special trait to be a "winner" just yet because he hasn't been a winner yet.

This year is key because he has many challenges:
-new QB controversy? Eli or D. Jones?? And When???
-new defensive personnel. How does it work out? When???
-new OL. It must mesh for him to have a winning season
-motivation. the lockerroom is cleaned up so do they stay on their game, week in and week out?

I still believe this team is heading for 9 - 7, give or take a game, unless we have injuries at key spots. The key to our having a winning season is stealing some early season wins.

I really want to beat Dallas opening day in their house. That would be HUGE.

was change. We began showing new alignments, new plays, new ways to get SB, EE, etc. involved.

He didn't kill it in his first year. I admit, that would have been a very tall order. For DG & Shurmur, it is all about this year. I need to see significant improvement. If we are healthy and are not a much better team, he needs to go. 5 wins is not good enough. I do not care if we were close to more wins, we were also close to more losses.

Interestingly, he acts the way our GM should act. As mentioned, he really needs to refine his in-game coaching. But I think that's fixable.

He's in a real bind because he needs to win to demonstrate that he has the goods to be an NFL HC. And he's stuck with a 38 year old QB who is almost the antithesis to what Shurmur wants in a QB.

Meanwhile, his GM seems more interested in solving for the future. Although Gettleman tries to market this year as if we can compete for big things and prepare for the future simultaneously.

Ironically, I think Shurmur wants to go with Eli but Jones has more physical tools that would actually be better for his offensive approach.

"I've got to think short term, and I've got to think long term. That's the box I'm in. That's the position I'm in. Coaches have to win now, and I ask myself -- I've told you guys a million times, I ask myself that question: am I giving Pat and the guys enough players to win with? OK? And really, you know, it's tough."


They were scoring 28 points a game without Beckham at the end of last season. That should have been enough to win several more games if they'd had even a middle-of-the pack defense.

Let's see what Pat's supposedly "great offensive mind" can do with a nicely-upgraded OL that protects his QB much better and helps his run game -- especially in the last 4 minutes trying to hold a lead. Plus a big infusion of youth on defense.

I agree he should have some game management help so things like Philly don't happen again. That's such a no-brainer that it probably even occurred to Giants management. Let's hope.

Put it this way -- I don't think Shurmer was the problem last year.

In comment 14442909 JonC said:

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too many basic mistakes with clock management, decisions, personnel, sometimes shows no feel for the game flow. Seems like a decent man, might be best suited to OC.

This. I'd like to add the selective aggressiveness. He's got no problem justifying it that the numbers say go for two when you are down 14, but he doesn't want to seem to make that choice when the game is close or Giants have a lead. If I see a punt inside the opponent's 40 yard line this year, I am going to go berserk.

One year is not enough for anybody to judge one way or another. I am optimistic and like the direction so far, though I think he made some mistakes as well. Nobody's perfect. My view is much the same as it is for DG. Positive signs, but too early to judge.

this season I think with some luck 7-9 wins
if were below 500 and were running Barkley into
the ground . He and DG better be right on Jones
take a player at Six then he needs to get on the field
and be ready to make that change .

In comment 14442937 BillT said:

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In comment 14442567 RicosRoidedElbow said: Quote: What is he? 5-79 in his coaching career? Guy is Grade A loser, we'll worry about spelling his name correctly when he wins. 5/19! What dupe is this? Guesses?

Thanks Bill. We don't need his kind of shit.

I don't see the practices so I can't say anything about that, but he was a poor gameday coach who lacked understanding of game management. Need a huge improvement in that area...he isn't coaching the offense anymore, he's coaching the whole team. The playcalling, for example, I wish he'd delegate.

Hello fellow Giants fans. First time to the forum. I joined because I saw serious Giants fans that know FOOTBALL.
That said I'm kind of surprised at the low opinions of Shurmur. IMO any coach that can get a team to play as hard as they did in the 2nd half of the season deserves not just the benefit of the doubt, but should be cheered. Also, look at how the players interact with him. He handles the press, seems to have the command of the team, and it looks as if the players respect him. Or do you want that coach that puts winning so far upfront that he doesn't care what reprehensible characters play on the team as long as it helps the team win. Yeah I know about Parcells enabling LT and his addictions. But that was before social media so it's much harder to keep things like that hidden. I hope Shurmur and DJ win their own SB trophies for the Giants

Winning 5 games with cleveland is like taking any team to superbowl given the team he inherited in cleveland was the biggest garbage pile. At least new coach in cleveland inherited a bunch of 1st round picks and a decent qb.


In comment 14442690 M.S. said:

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...with a very suspect head coaching record: Cleveland Browns 2011 (4-12) 2012 (5-12) Philadelphia Eagles (Interim) 2015 (1-0) New York Giants 2018 (5-12) Very easy to argue that he didn't have very much in his three full years as head coach, so he has that going for him. My guess is that the real pressure on him is not necessarily posting a winning record in 2019, but if he ends up with losing records in both 2019 and 2020, then he is gone.

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In comment 14442635 Diversify yo bonds said:

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Honestly, every team should have someone on staff to tell the hc when to call timeouts and how to min/max exposure with regard to the clock. An alarming number of coaches share this deficiency.

Like a baseball bench coach.